"David F. Eisan" wrote in
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I started the tear down on one of my Unisaws today. This one came from
a prision. I looked, but I didn't find any carved soap guns or knives
in it
. To just look at it, it looks pretty sad,

http://www.federatedtool.com/david/img/rustysaw.jpg

I cleaned up the top with Top Saver.

http://www.federatedtool.com/david/img/cleansaw.jpg

Wow, does this stuff work well and it doesn't smell like puke like the
Walter product I used to use did.

I checked the arbor for runout,

http://www.federatedtool.com/david/img/runout.jpg

and while it wasn't too bad, I am going to replace it anyway (I
already have a new one). One of the problems I have found with
institutional Unisaws is that the threads the blade sit on near the
flange are usually worn and the blade/arbor fit has some slop. This
one is no exception, the ACME threads are worn. The arbour is very
hard to turn by hand, the bearings are totally shot.

I took the saw totally apart,

http://www.federatedtool.com/david/img/allapart.jpg

The guts of the saw are really in very good shape, nothing broken and
very little wear on the gears. You can see the new Baldor 3hp motor
beside the old 575v 2hp one. This Baldor is a *big* motor. I also have
a new Danfoss mag starter for the saw. You can see a DeWALT sliding
table and a Biesemeyer splitter as well. The new General T-Square
(Biesemeyer) fence is in the basement still, as is the Delta mobile
base.

Check out the serial tag,

http://www.federatedtool.com/david/img/serial.jpg

I have to figure out a way to preserve and re-use the prison tag.

I will take a piece of the saw with me to the paint store in the next
few days and have them mix me up some Delta Gray. I have not spoken to
him yet, (yoohoo, Mike!) but I hope a friend of mine will be able to
paint the saw for me this week. Otherwise, I will borrow a Turbinair
HVLP from work and try my hand at painting. I will also get new
bearings and have the arbors swapped this week at a local machine shop
I do business with all the time.

Note that this saw has a cast iron base on it, it is fairly old.

I hope to have it up and running in just a week or so, I have wanted a
sliding table for a long time!

David.




I embarked on the same project today, but out of necessity. The other day
when cutting some tenon checks my trusty Atlas (vintage early 1950's)
cabinet saw made a "random width adjustment." I thought maybe I had screwed
up and made the sacraficial fence a sacrafice. When I went to take off the
dado blade & put on the saw blade, the arbor had shifted 1/4 inch to the
right. Figured I trashed the bearings so disassembly seemed in order.

With a longstanding broken motor adjustment bolt, I had to disassemble from
the top down and finally got the motor off. Both the motor and arbor double
v-belt pulleys were canted (but parrallel)and jambed on. The problem turned
out to be only a arbor collar loosing it's allen screw.

So with only two pieces of cypress to rip to finish my chairs for the deck,
I now have my trusty saw in as many pieces as you. It seems that in
addition to a single allen screw for the collar, I need new double v-belt
pulleys. Grizzly seems to be the only source, so while I wait for them I'll
be wire brushing and repainting also. I'll post some picts also when I'm
moving along. All I have now is a less organized pile of parts than you

Talked to SWMBO about Unisaw for Father's Day, but my old pile of Atlas
parts looked a lot like your old Unisaw parts and in the 25 years I've
owned it, it's been spot on. I didn't touch the trunion bolts so when it
goes back together (I hope), it should remain parallel.

Mine came from an old Italian cabinetmaker, no history like prison
inventory tags, but for a 50+ year old saw it's pretty slick.

Jerry

I started the tear down on one of my Unisaws today. This one came from a
prision. I looked, but I didn't find any carved soap guns or knives in it
. To just look at it, it looks pretty sad,

http://www.federatedtool.com/david/img/rustysaw.jpg

I cleaned up the top with Top Saver.

http://www.federatedtool.com/david/img/cleansaw.jpg

Wow, does this stuff work well and it doesn't smell like puke like the
Walter product I used to use did.

I checked the arbor for runout,

http://www.federatedtool.com/david/img/runout.jpg

and while it wasn't too bad, I am going to replace it anyway (I already have
a new one). One of the problems I have found with institutional Unisaws is
that the threads the blade sit on near the flange are usually worn and the
blade/arbor fit has some slop. This one is no exception, the ACME threads
are worn. The arbour is very hard to turn by hand, the bearings are totally
shot.

I took the saw totally apart,

http://www.federatedtool.com/david/img/allapart.jpg

The guts of the saw are really in very good shape, nothing broken and very
little wear on the gears. You can see the new Baldor 3hp motor beside the
old 575v 2hp one. This Baldor is a *big* motor. I also have a new Danfoss
mag starter for the saw. You can see a DeWALT sliding table and a Biesemeyer
splitter as well. The new General T-Square (Biesemeyer) fence is in the
basement still, as is the Delta mobile base.

Check out the serial tag,

http://www.federatedtool.com/david/img/serial.jpg

I have to figure out a way to preserve and re-use the prison tag.

I will take a piece of the saw with me to the paint store in the next few
days and have them mix me up some Delta Gray. I have not spoken to him yet,
(yoohoo, Mike!) but I hope a friend of mine will be able to paint the saw
for me this week. Otherwise, I will borrow a Turbinair HVLP from work and
try my hand at painting. I will also get new bearings and have the arbors
swapped this week at a local machine shop I do business with all the time.

Note that this saw has a cast iron base on it, it is fairly old.

I hope to have it up and running in just a week or so, I have wanted a
sliding table for a long time!

David.

Jerry McCaffrey publicatsimoogledotcom wrote in
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I embarked on the same project today, but out of necessity. The other
day when cutting some tenon checks my trusty Atlas (vintage early
1950's) cabinet saw made a "random width adjustment." I thought maybe
I had screwed up and made the sacraficial fence a sacrafice. When I
went to take off the dado blade & put on the saw blade, the arbor had
shifted 1/4 inch to the right. Figured I trashed the bearings so
disassembly seemed in order.

snip
Talked to SWMBO about Unisaw for Father's Day, but my old pile of
Atlas parts looked a lot like your old Unisaw parts and in the 25
years I've owned it, it's been spot on. I didn't touch the trunion
bolts so when it goes back together (I hope), it should remain
parallel.

Mine came from an old Italian cabinetmaker, no history like prison
inventory tags, but for a 50+ year old saw it's pretty slick.


I have a 2002-vintage Unisaw, purchased new. I cannot imagine that your
Atlas, with some TLC, wouldn't do everything that my new machine does. And
with a bit more panache. Not everyone has a 50 year old cabinet saw from
an old Italian cabinetmaker. My saw learned its habits only from me. :-)

Patriarch

On Sat, 7 May 2005 20:22:48 -0700, the inscrutable "David F. Eisan"
spake:

Check out the serial tag,

http://www.federatedtool.com/david/img/serial.jpg

I have to figure out a way to preserve and re-use the prison tag.

Cool serial killer serial tag! I wouldn't try to remove it.

Carefully mask around it, coat it with wheel bearing grease, remove
the masking, and spray the base. Once dry, the paint-covered grease
will easily wipe off the preserved sticker.


I will take a piece of the saw with me to the paint store in the next few
days and have them mix me up some Delta Gray. I have not spoken to him yet,

Why doncha paint it a NICE color instead, Davey? Pretty please?


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"David F. Eisan" wrote:

Errmmm, David...seeing as you are posting to the Federated website, that
must mean you are associated with them somehow?(That's cool because
Federated is my Fein supplier)... but does that mean you are going to
rebuild that monster band-saw at some point?

G

Rob

"Jerry McCaffrey" publicatsimoogledotcom wrote in message
8...
"David F. Eisan" wrote in
:

I started the tear down on one of my Unisaws today. This one came from
a prision. I looked, but I didn't find any carved soap guns or knives
in it
. To just look at it, it looks pretty sad,

http://www.federatedtool.com/david/img/rustysaw.jpg

I cleaned up the top with Top Saver.
I find the best way to clean up the top is with a palm sanderand 150 paper
..[220 if you prefer] .Once you end up with bright steel give it a couple of
good coats of good past wax applied with steel wool......I greased the
moving parts with dry graphite lube .....mjh

On Sun, 08 May 2005 07:03:34 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sat, 7 May 2005 20:22:48 -0700, the inscrutable "David F. Eisan"
spake:

Check out the serial tag,

http://www.federatedtool.com/david/img/serial.jpg

I have to figure out a way to preserve and re-use the prison tag.

Cool serial killer serial tag! I wouldn't try to remove it.

Carefully mask around it, coat it with wheel bearing grease, remove
the masking, and spray the base. Once dry, the paint-covered grease
will easily wipe off the preserved sticker.


If you don't have wheel bearing grease on hand, Vaseline works equally
well and may be easier to clean up.


I will take a piece of the saw with me to the paint store in the next few
days and have them mix me up some Delta Gray. I have not spoken to him yet,

Why doncha paint it a NICE color instead, Davey? Pretty please?


Maybe he's trying to keep it true to its heritage. [I don't particularly
care for Ford gray, but if I restore my 9N, it's going to get painted to
the original color]




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On Sun, 08 May 2005 13:35:24 -0700, the inscrutable Mark & Juanita
spake:

On Sun, 08 May 2005 07:03:34 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

Cool serial killer serial tag! I wouldn't try to remove it.

Carefully mask around it, coat it with wheel bearing grease, remove
the masking, and spray the base. Once dry, the paint-covered grease
will easily wipe off the preserved sticker.


If you don't have wheel bearing grease on hand, Vaseline works equally
well and may be easier to clean up.

I'll -not- ask why you know that, Mark.


Why doncha paint it a NICE color instead, Davey? Pretty please?

Maybe he's trying to keep it true to its heritage. [I don't particularly
care for Ford gray, but if I restore my 9N, it's going to get painted to
the original color]

I can't stand gray, so nothing I refinish is ever going to be that
color, TYVM.


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On Sun, 08 May 2005 19:22:08 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 08 May 2005 13:35:24 -0700, the inscrutable Mark & Juanita
spake:

On Sun, 08 May 2005 07:03:34 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

Cool serial killer serial tag! I wouldn't try to remove it.

Carefully mask around it, coat it with wheel bearing grease, remove
the masking, and spray the base. Once dry, the paint-covered grease
will easily wipe off the preserved sticker.


If you don't have wheel bearing grease on hand, Vaseline works equally
well and may be easier to clean up.

I'll -not- ask why you know that, Mark.


It's best that you don't. :-)


Why doncha paint it a NICE color instead, Davey? Pretty please?

Maybe he's trying to keep it true to its heritage. [I don't particularly
care for Ford gray, but if I restore my 9N, it's going to get painted to
the original color]

I can't stand gray, so nothing I refinish is ever going to be that
color, TYVM.


Traumatized by a gray cat when you were a youngster Larry?


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Rob,

Errmmm, David...seeing as you are posting to the Federated website, that
must mean you are associated with them somehow?(That's cool because
Federated is my Fein supplier)... but does that mean you are going to
rebuild that monster band-saw at some point?

I am the sales manager there. Might we have met? I am the 6', thin, 35'ish
guy at the counter all the time.

I would like to see that big Grob metal cutting bandsaw redone like the
General 24" planer we have in the show room. That is such a cool machine, on
board welder and 40-4000 FPM.

David.

"mike hide" wrote in
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I find the best way to clean up the top is with a palm sanderand 150
paper
.[220 if you prefer] .Once you end up with bright steel give it a
couple of good coats of good past wax applied with steel wool......I
greased the moving parts with dry graphite lube .....mjh


Actually, I've become somewhat of a expert at top cleaning. The "best"
placement in my basement shop for the table saw is directly below our
laundry room and bathroom. It seems that every two years someone
overflows something above & I have "rain" on the saw. That has been one
reason (other than outright cheapness) why I keep the old saw. Yes you
are correct, ROS with ~150 grit works wonders. I also wetsand with WD40
and that slurry even works better it seems. Just paste waxed the jointer
table the other day, should probably do the TS more often.

On reassembly maybe I'll try the dry graphite on the height and tilt
screw shafts since they pick up crude. The arbor was packed with 50 year
old grease that was still clean & functional, so I'll just repack there.

Thanks for your comments.

Jerry

On Sun, 08 May 2005 21:38:54 -0700, the inscrutable Mark & Juanita
spake:

If you don't have wheel bearing grease on hand, Vaseline works equally
well and may be easier to clean up.

I'll -not- ask why you know that, Mark.

It's best that you don't. :-)

Oy vay!


Why doncha paint it a NICE color instead, Davey? Pretty please?

Maybe he's trying to keep it true to its heritage. [I don't particularly
care for Ford gray, but if I restore my 9N, it's going to get painted to
the original color]

I can't stand gray, so nothing I refinish is ever going to be that
color, TYVM.

Traumatized by a gray cat when you were a youngster Larry?

No, but I lived far too close to a Navy base then. Everything was
gray. Then I worked 3 years for a company where the walls, ceilings,
and furniture (even the workbenches) were all the same shade of gray.
It was ghastly. (Palomar Technology in Carlsbad) I think I also equate
it with cold Russian skies and large commie wimmenz. And now all the
car interiors are gray and...

Gray: It's a commie PLOT about world domination, I tell ya.

LJ--who already has seen enough gray to last half a dozen lifetimes.

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sniperoo


Gray: It's a commie PLOT about world domination, I tell ya.

LJ--who already has seen enough gray to last half a dozen lifetimes.


Someone who painted "Dina" that butt-ugly green doesn't have a whole lot to
talk about!

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Nahmie
The greatest headaches are those we cause ourselves.

On Mon, 9 May 2005 16:34:57 -0400, the inscrutable "Norman D. Crow"
spake:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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sniperoo

Gray: It's a commie PLOT about world domination, I tell ya.

LJ--who already has seen enough gray to last half a dozen lifetimes.


Someone who painted "Dina" that butt-ugly green doesn't have a whole lot to
talk about!

Hey, Twisted Turquoise is the Davis & Wells default color. I sure like
it better than gray, lemme tell ya.


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OK now answer this question honestly now. How many extra screws nuts,
bolts and washers were left after re-assembling the unisaw? Curious
minds want to know?