Wasn't that called the "Bracero" (SP?) program about 60 years ago? It
no longer exists.

On 3 May 2005 14:15:11 -0700, "Charlie Self"
wrote:

Wouldn't it be simpler to make it possible for illegals to get into the
country legally as long as work was available that no one else would
do?

Someone observed recently "If you can't feed 'em don't breed em".

On 3 May 2005 18:19:15 -0700, "Never Enough Money"
wrote:

You've got some good ideas there in the first paragraph.

Your second paragragh is incorrect: you're darn right you take as many
jobs as needed to support the fruit of your loins. It is not my
responsibility to support your sexual irresponsibility.

Prometheus wrote:
On Tue, 03 May 2005 12:06:31 -0400, Robatoy
wrote:

On a related issue- anyone notice the changes in the libraries in the
past ten years or so? If you haven't, try comparing the volume of
books with "for dummies" on the cover with the volume of books that
comprised a classical education. My local library has removed Eucid,
Newton, Aristotle, Chaucer, the collected works of the Nobel Prize
winners, Darwin and several others from the stacks to make room for
Cliff's Notes and other bull****. When I asked about it, the
librarian shrugged and said no one wanted them anyone. It damn near
made me cry.


Aut inveniam viam aut faciam

On a related note, ask any junior or high school student for a fast
historical synopsis of the years since Pearl Harbor. Or ask who Winston
Churchill was. Or ask about...ah, ****. Almost anything that didn't
happen on American Idol or Survivor in the last month.

It WILL make you cry.

The problem with that is that "work that no one else will do" is only part
of the statement. The whole statement is work that no one else will do at
the low wage I'm willing to pay. Like the excuse used in the IT industry
for bringing in foreign workers and firing their American counterparts.

"nospambob" wrote in message
...
Wasn't that called the "Bracero" (SP?) program about 60 years ago? It
no longer exists.

On 3 May 2005 14:15:11 -0700, "Charlie Self"
wrote:

Wouldn't it be simpler to make it possible for illegals to get into the
country legally as long as work was available that no one else would
do?

The choice is buy as local as possible. The job your saving may
(strike that) WILL be your own. Think of whatever it is that your
employer manufactures. I don't care if it is widgets to rockets.
There are any number of sub developed nations who can build it cheaper
if YOU are willing to buy from them. Are you willing to ship your
money offshore just to save $4.99 on that pair of pliers. Are you
going to encourage the customers of the products YOU make to save a
buck or two by buying the foreign version of whatever it is you do for
a living...?

Just noticed your tag line, "Never Enough Money". If you ever want to
do your part in turning that around buying the cheapest widget on the
shelf isn't a real great start.

"Prometheus" wrote in message

My local library has removed Eucid,
Newton, Aristotle, Chaucer, the collected works of the Nobel Prize
winners, Darwin and several others from the stacks to make room for
Cliff's Notes and other bull****. When I asked about it, the
librarian shrugged and said no one wanted them anyone. It damn near
made me cry.

Maybe they be sought after more on a DVD? Sent to them via text messaging?

"Charlie Self" wrote in message
oups.com...
snip
On a related note, ask any junior or high school student for a fast
historical synopsis of the years since Pearl Harbor. Or ask who Winston
Churchill was. Or ask about...ah, ****. Almost anything that didn't
happen on American Idol or Survivor in the last month.

It WILL make you cry.


.... and don't forget to count how many times they say "like"...

writes:

The choice is buy as local as possible. The job your saving may
(strike that) WILL be your own. Think of whatever it is that your
employer manufactures. I don't care if it is widgets to rockets.
There are any number of sub developed nations who can build it cheaper
if YOU are willing to buy from them. Are you willing to ship your

I want to see any third world country print a daily newspaper, deliver it
within three to four hours, and do it for less money.

If the newspaper could even be air freighted in time, the delivery costs
would exceed the cost of printing here in the USA.

Brian Elfert

"Brian Elfert" wrote in message

I want to see any third world country print a daily newspaper, deliver it
within three to four hours, and do it for less money.

But they can do the layout from anyplace in the world that has electricity
and perhaps a phone line or satellite connection.

Listening to my, like, 15 year old, like, granddaughter, like, last
night, like, gave me a, like, headache, like.

About 35 minutes each way to dance class.

She doesn't know much, but she is absolutely of what she thinks she
knows.

Charlie Self wrote:


She doesn't know much, but she is absolutely of what she thinks she
knows.

And I was certain I'd written "sure" after "absolutely".

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in
news:s2vee.16102$c86.12673@trndny09:

But they can do the layout from anyplace in the world that has
electricity and perhaps a phone line or satellite connection.


Strangely enough, that seems to be a _major_ limiting factor in the
outsourcing to India/elsewhere craze. According to a VC CEO who spoke
earlier this week, finding a building with sufficient
(power/water/sewer/transportation/comms) infrastructure has gotten to be a
real problem. People can be anywhere, but you still have to have
electricity, and you have to be able to support their activities. Tangible
goods have to move in and out.

Rather makes you think about the level of investment it took to get the
industrialized world up to speed, and the challenge of keeping it there.
One of the issues raised (whether correctly or not) in the prices for
thiings like oil and cement, was the investment in Chinese infrastructure
in the past five years.

Competition in the marketplace exists at many levels.

Patriarch

On 5 May 2005 14:30:49 -0700, the inscrutable "Charlie Self"
spake:


Charlie Self wrote:

She doesn't know much, but she is absolutely of what she thinks she
knows.

And I was certain I'd written "sure" after "absolutely".

Like, get one of these special signs for her room, Charlie:

"Teens: LEAVE HOME NOW, WHILE YOU STILL KNOW EVERYTHING!"


--
"Excess regulation and government spending destroy jobs and increase
unemployment. Every regulator we fire results in the creation of over
150 new jobs, enough to hire the ex-regulator, the unemployed, and
the able-bodied poor." -Michael Badnarik

VOTE LIBERTARIAN OR YOU WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING.

Larry Jaques wrote in
:


"Teens: LEAVE HOME NOW, WHILE YOU STILL KNOW EVERYTHING!"

I'm embarrased to admit two things: (1) I now know I'll never know enough
and (2) I was damned near mid 30's before I came to that realization.


I think a good sign of intelligence is realizing just how stupid you,
yourself, are.