Hi everybody,
I am looking for a small bench saw and would like some advice about the ones
I fancy.

Either the Scheppach TS2010 or the Elektra Beckum PK200.

Anyone have experience of these saws, good or bad, problems etc. I would
appreciate your input.

Cheers

Oldun
PS remove OXO to reply.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 01:12:50 +0100, "Oldun"
wrote:

I am looking for a small bench saw

Either the Scheppach TS2010 or the Elektra Beckum PK200.

_HOW_ MUCH_!?!

Either of these is a fine 200 quid saw, from a well known maker. Shame
they're selling them for approximately twice what they're worth.

Neither of these saws deserves more than a moment's consideration -
because they're 8" saws, not 10".

On the good side, they have induction motors. The comparable saws
(except one from Record) are brush motors, so they're very noisy on
startup. But get some earmuffs and stop worrying about it.

The EB's retractable riving knife is nice, as it removes the
temptation to remove the knife when cutting dadoes (and not always
replacing it afterwards).

IMHE, there are no UK saws worth buying in this pricerange. £200 gets
you an Axminster BTS10PP, £500 gets you a S/H Wadkin, £800 gets you an
interesting new saw. £400-600 and shopping new though just buys you a
cheap saw with a big pricetag.

The Scheppach appears to have a better fence adjuster than usual, but
the build quality of neither Scheppach nor Elektra Beckum has ever
been impressive for rigidity or accuracy.

The Elektra Beckum does offer a sliding table option (and a £650
pricetag)
http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.a...=19599&recno=5

but at that level you're starting to look at the Axminster S80 instead
http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.a...=23192&recno=2


Overall I'd suggest getting an Axminster BTS10PP for £200
http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.a...=21657&recno=1
This is a staggering bargain, and quite a good saw even against
comparison with the £400 machines. I still have one for on-site work.

It's somewhat crude, because of the brushed motor. But it works, is
adequately solid and has a bigger table than you'll find elsewhere.
The drawback is the fence, that's no more accurate than anything else
for £200 - but then the £400 machines aren't much better.

It's even better if you can find an old one with the clear plastic
bladeguard, rather than the recent one with the pointless dust extract
hose fitting and the opaque plastic that stops you seeing what you're
doing. I liked the old bladeguard so much I've fitted the same guard
to two other machines.


If you have this sort of budget though (and you don't need
portability), look at eBay for a S/H single phase Wadkin 10 AGS at
around £500. Some patience will find you a good one within a day's
drive.


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the economy there is so sad it's abominable. I cannot comprehend how
it can be lived with! It upsets ME! Frankly if I was on the east I would
do it. But I am on the west coast.

That saw you recommend is four TIMES as much a Ryobi is here...!
No offence intended, sorry. I just had to say all that.

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AAvK says...

WHAT IF someone on England had a friend in the US or Canada on
the east coast? Couldn't a 'paid for' gift be shipped over there? Because
the economy there is so sad it's abominable. I cannot comprehend how
it can be lived with! It upsets ME! Frankly if I was on the east I would
do it. But I am on the west coast.

That saw you recommend is four TIMES as much a Ryobi is here...!
No offence intended, sorry. I just had to say all that.

It isn't the economy that's bad, it is the high taxes. The economy does
surprisingly well considering what consumers pay for everything. I saw
the equivalent of my Bosch 4000 costs more in £'s than we pay in $'s
here. That would about exactly double the cost at current exchange
rates, and for that equivalent $1000 I would be in cabinet saw
territory.

Hey Andy,

any thoughts on the SIP 01332 saw?

Micky



"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 01:12:50 +0100, "Oldun"
wrote:

I am looking for a small bench saw

Either the Scheppach TS2010 or the Elektra Beckum PK200.

_HOW_ MUCH_!?!

Either of these is a fine 200 quid saw, from a well known maker. Shame
they're selling them for approximately twice what they're worth.

Neither of these saws deserves more than a moment's consideration -
because they're 8" saws, not 10".

On the good side, they have induction motors. The comparable saws
(except one from Record) are brush motors, so they're very noisy on
startup. But get some earmuffs and stop worrying about it.

The EB's retractable riving knife is nice, as it removes the
temptation to remove the knife when cutting dadoes (and not always
replacing it afterwards).

IMHE, there are no UK saws worth buying in this pricerange. £200 gets
you an Axminster BTS10PP, £500 gets you a S/H Wadkin, £800 gets you an
interesting new saw. £400-600 and shopping new though just buys you a
cheap saw with a big pricetag.

The Scheppach appears to have a better fence adjuster than usual, but
the build quality of neither Scheppach nor Elektra Beckum has ever
been impressive for rigidity or accuracy.

The Elektra Beckum does offer a sliding table option (and a £650
pricetag)
http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.a...=19599&recno=5

but at that level you're starting to look at the Axminster S80 instead
http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.a...=23192&recno=2


Overall I'd suggest getting an Axminster BTS10PP for £200
http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.a...=21657&recno=1
This is a staggering bargain, and quite a good saw even against
comparison with the £400 machines. I still have one for on-site work.

It's somewhat crude, because of the brushed motor. But it works, is
adequately solid and has a bigger table than you'll find elsewhere.
The drawback is the fence, that's no more accurate than anything else
for £200 - but then the £400 machines aren't much better.

It's even better if you can find an old one with the clear plastic
bladeguard, rather than the recent one with the pointless dust extract
hose fitting and the opaque plastic that stops you seeing what you're
doing. I liked the old bladeguard so much I've fitted the same guard
to two other machines.


If you have this sort of budget though (and you don't need
portability), look at eBay for a S/H single phase Wadkin 10 AGS at
around £500. Some patience will find you a good one within a day's
drive.


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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:49:00 +0100, "Micky"
wrote:

any thoughts on the SIP 01332 saw?

Well the spec looks OK, and at £400 it might be a worthwhile saw.
Haven't seen or used one though.

I've wasted far too much on SIP products (welders) in the past though.

Andy Dingley wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:49:00 +0100, "Micky"

wrote:

any thoughts on the SIP 01332 saw?

Well the spec looks OK, and at =A3400 it might be a worthwhile saw.
Haven't seen or used one though.

I've wasted far too much on SIP products (welders) in the past
though.

Check out www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums for plenty of info on UK spec
TSs.
Andy, where's me twisted dovetail article then?
And did you ever get the Wadkin arbor sorted?

Rgds

Noel

Thanks to everyone for their helpfull comments, I am of course now left with
another dilema. Should I look for a Wadkin 10AGS or buy the Axminster
BTS10PP.

Perhaps I'll take a look at what Record have to offer!

Cheers

Oldun