Aztec/Maya and the lathe?
 

Every where we hear that they did not use the wheel.
I wonder if these civilizations have ever use a tool like the lathe to
produce crafts.


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Denis

"Denis Marier" wrote in message
...
Every where we hear that they did not use the wheel.
I wonder if these civilizations have ever use a tool like the lathe to
produce crafts.

Apparently the wheel was not known to them, though I believe there are known
wheeled toys from the Aztec.

It's a bit of a problem for Mormon theology, as the wheel would have been
well-known to the Israelites. It's also a bit strange that the "aliens"
never passed along the modest technology of the wheel while teaching the
Amerinds all the advanced math and astronomy. Perhaps their "chariots" had
no wheels, in spite of Von Daniken..

George wrote:
"Denis Marier" wrote in message
...
Every where we hear that they did not use the wheel.
I wonder if these civilizations have ever use a tool like the lathe
to
produce crafts.

Apparently the wheel was not known to them, though I believe there
are known
wheeled toys from the Aztec.

It's a bit of a problem for Mormon theology, as the wheel would have
been
well-known to the Israelites. It's also a bit strange that the
"aliens"
never passed along the modest technology of the wheel while teaching
the
Amerinds all the advanced math and astronomy. Perhaps their
"chariots" had
no wheels, in spite of Von Daniken..

================================================== ==========================

I don't know about the \Aztecs, but the Myans did indeed know about a
Wheel. It was a Holy symbol, and therefore, they would not use it for
anything a mundain as a tool. Their calander is round.
The Other Bruce

Well no kidding, being made of stone and all. How else to move it
around! Maybe they didn't know about paper?



wrote:

George wrote:

"Denis Marier" wrote in message
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Every where we hear that they did not use the wheel.
I wonder if these civilizations have ever use a tool like the lathe

to

produce crafts.


Apparently the wheel was not known to them, though I believe there

are known

wheeled toys from the Aztec.

It's a bit of a problem for Mormon theology, as the wheel would have

been

well-known to the Israelites. It's also a bit strange that the

"aliens"

never passed along the modest technology of the wheel while teaching

the

Amerinds all the advanced math and astronomy. Perhaps their

"chariots" had

no wheels, in spite of Von Daniken..


================================================== ==========================

I don't know about the \Aztecs, but the Myans did indeed know about a
Wheel. It was a Holy symbol, and therefore, they would not use it for
anything a mundain as a tool. Their calander is round.
The Other Bruce

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George wrote:
"Denis Marier" wrote in message
...
Every where we hear that they did not use the wheel.
I wonder if these civilizations have ever use a tool like the lathe
to
produce crafts.

Apparently the wheel was not known to them, though I believe there
are known
wheeled toys from the Aztec.

It's a bit of a problem for Mormon theology, as the wheel would have
been
well-known to the Israelites. It's also a bit strange that the
"aliens"
never passed along the modest technology of the wheel while teaching
the
Amerinds all the advanced math and astronomy. Perhaps their
"chariots" had
no wheels, in spite of Von Daniken..


================================================== ==========================

I don't know about the \Aztecs, but the Myans did indeed know about a
Wheel. It was a Holy symbol, and therefore, they would not use it for
anything a mundain as a tool. Their calander is round.
The Other Bruce


Is a circle a wheel?

With no axle, it's just a circle.

Eddie Munster wrote:

Well no kidding, being made of stone and all. How else to move it
around! Maybe they didn't know about paper?

I seem to recall that part of the problem with the Mesoamerican
civilizations and the wheel was that they did not have a large draft animal
of any kind and that soil conditions were such that in the absence of
something with the brute force to pull a cart through the mud a man could
carry more on his back than in a wheeled conveyance.

But that recollection is very vague.

Of course the Spanish had oxen, mules, and horses, so they did not have this
same problem.

On the other hand the Mesoamerican civilizations apparently did not use the
potter's wheel, so perhaps the idea of using the wheel in a tool did not
occur to them.

wrote:

George wrote:

"Denis Marier" wrote in message
...

Every where we hear that they did not use the wheel.
I wonder if these civilizations have ever use a tool like the lathe

to

produce crafts.


Apparently the wheel was not known to them, though I believe there

are known

wheeled toys from the Aztec.

It's a bit of a problem for Mormon theology, as the wheel would have

been

well-known to the Israelites. It's also a bit strange that the

"aliens"

never passed along the modest technology of the wheel while teaching

the

Amerinds all the advanced math and astronomy. Perhaps their

"chariots" had

no wheels, in spite of Von Daniken..



================================================== ==========================

I don't know about the \Aztecs, but the Myans did indeed know about a
Wheel. It was a Holy symbol, and therefore, they would not use it for
anything a mundain as a tool. Their calander is round.
The Other Bruce


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George wrote:
"Denis Marier" wrote in message
...
Every where we hear that they did not use the wheel.
I wonder if these civilizations have ever use a tool like the lathe
to
produce crafts.

Apparently the wheel was not known to them, though I believe there
are known
wheeled toys from the Aztec.

It's a bit of a problem for Mormon theology, as the wheel would have
been
well-known to the Israelites. It's also a bit strange that the
"aliens"
never passed along the modest technology of the wheel while teaching
the
Amerinds all the advanced math and astronomy. Perhaps their
"chariots" had
no wheels, in spite of Von Daniken..


================================================== ==========================

I don't know about the \Aztecs, but the Myans did indeed know about a
Wheel. It was a Holy symbol, and therefore, they would not use it for
anything a mundain as a tool. Their calander is round.

round is a circle
but a circle does not a wheel make

The Other Bruce

BTW - they also "invented" zero

CBII

"George" george@least wrote:

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George wrote:
"Denis Marier" wrote in message
...
Every where we hear that they did not use the wheel.
I wonder if these civilizations have ever use a tool like the
lathe
to
produce crafts.

Apparently the wheel was not known to them, though I believe there
are known
wheeled toys from the Aztec.

It's a bit of a problem for Mormon theology, as the wheel would
have
been
well-known to the Israelites. It's also a bit strange that the
"aliens"
never passed along the modest technology of the wheel while
teaching
the
Amerinds all the advanced math and astronomy. Perhaps their
"chariots" had
no wheels, in spite of Von Daniken..


================================================== =====================
=====

I don't know about the \Aztecs, but the Myans did indeed know about a
Wheel. It was a Holy symbol, and therefore, they would not use it for
anything a mundain as a tool. Their calander is round.
The Other Bruce


Is a circle a wheel?

With no axle, it's just a circle.




With no spokes, or other means to attach it to an axle, it is a circle.

In article , "J. Clarke" wrote:

I seem to recall that part of the problem with the Mesoamerican
civilizations and the wheel was that they did not have a large draft animal
of any kind and that soil conditions were such that in the absence of
something with the brute force to pull a cart through the mud a man could
carry more on his back than in a wheeled conveyance.

That's obviously incorrect. Never mind large draft animals -- anyone who's
ever used a wheelbarrow or a two-wheel dolly knows that a man can carry more
on a wheeled conveyance than he can on his back. You don't need draft animals
to make wheels useful.

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:16:44 -0500, "George" george@least wrote:

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George wrote:
"Denis Marier" wrote in message
...
Every where we hear that they did not use the wheel.
I wonder if these civilizations have ever use a tool like the lathe
to
produce crafts.

Apparently the wheel was not known to them, though I believe there
are known
wheeled toys from the Aztec.

It's a bit of a problem for Mormon theology, as the wheel would have
been
well-known to the Israelites. It's also a bit strange that the
"aliens"
never passed along the modest technology of the wheel while teaching
the
Amerinds all the advanced math and astronomy. Perhaps their
"chariots" had
no wheels, in spite of Von Daniken..


================================================= ===========================

I don't know about the \Aztecs, but the Myans did indeed know about a
Wheel. It was a Holy symbol, and therefore, they would not use it for
anything a mundain as a tool. Their calander is round.
The Other Bruce


Is a circle a wheel?

With no axle, it's just a circle.


With an advanced astronomical calendar, it's almost certainly a wheel.
It seems fairly impossible that they would not be aware of the wheel,
but it is possible that they did not use them for religious reasons.
Look at Islam- in many cases, it is absolutely taboo for a Muslim to
create an image of any living creature, hence the geometric art that
is so prevelent in that society. It's not that these folks are
unaware that they could make a picture of a person, it's just that
they feel that they are commiting hubris by trying to replicate the
works of Allah, IIRC. The same logic applies to the Mayans and
Aztecs.

I don't know about turned wood, but I'm pretty sure they had turned
pottery, so it's quite possible they had lathes as well. It's always
possible for even the most devotely devoted peoples to find a way
around their scripture when necessity calls.
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam

Anonymous wrote:

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:29:46 +0000, Denis Marier wrote:

Every where we hear that they did not use the wheel. I wonder if these
civilizations have ever use a tool like the lathe to produce crafts.

There is an awful lot we don't know about previous civilizations and a lot
of what we have thought we knew has been revised multiple times since we
first "knew" it. Take a close look at some of the 'religious artifacts'
and you will see that some will produce a couple volts if you fill them
with vinegar. Was that how they were used? We don't know ... and that's
why they are lumped in with all the other 'religious artifacts'.

I seem to recall a National Geographic article many, many years ago in which
they described a shipload of batteries that had been discovered. The thing
is the ship sank about 2000 years ago. The speculation was that the Greeks
had discovered electroplating--the batteries were built into amphorae, but
there wasn't much else they were likely to be but batteries given the
conformation.


Bill


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"J. Clarke" wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:29:46 +0000, Denis Marier wrote:

Every where we hear that they did not use the wheel. I wonder if
these civilizations have ever use a tool like the lathe to produce
crafts.

There is an awful lot we don't know about previous civilizations and
a lot of what we have thought we knew has been revised multiple times
since we first "knew" it. Take a close look at some of the 'religious
artifacts' and you will see that some will produce a couple volts if
you fill them with vinegar. Was that how they were used? We don't
know ... and that's why they are lumped in with all the other
'religious artifacts'.

I seem to recall a National Geographic article many, many years ago in
which they described a shipload of batteries that had been discovered.
The thing is the ship sank about 2000 years ago. The speculation was
that the Greeks had discovered electroplating--the batteries were
built into amphorae, but there wasn't much else they were likely to be
but batteries given the conformation.

Flashing on the movie "A Thousand Clowns" and the hula dancer doll with
the light up boobies! Be just like the Greeks to invent batteries and use
them for something lewd.



Bill

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
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In article , "J. Clarke"
wrote:

I seem to recall that part of the problem with the Mesoamerican
civilizations and the wheel was that they did not have a large draft
animal
of any kind and that soil conditions were such that in the absence of
something with the brute force to pull a cart through the mud a man could
carry more on his back than in a wheeled conveyance.

That's obviously incorrect. Never mind large draft animals -- anyone who's
ever used a wheelbarrow or a two-wheel dolly knows that a man can carry
more
on a wheeled conveyance than he can on his back. You don't need draft
animals
to make wheels useful.

They were certainly protein-limited by their lack of domesticated animals.
Makes you think about the role of nutrition in civilization in a whole new
light, and the role of domestication in providing nutrition as well as a way
to haul it to storage.

I've read more than one case for the collapse of the Maya based on
nutrition. The cultivation they seem to have had down pretty well, with the
same sort of mound and ditch found elsewhere, but of course they didn't have
the variety of protein in their diet to remain free of disease without some
meat.

An Egyptian display at the museum here comes to mind. Thousands of years
old yet very clearly batteries. I think they put in lemon juice or
something.

J. Clarke wrote:
Anonymous wrote:


On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:29:46 +0000, Denis Marier wrote:


Every where we hear that they did not use the wheel. I wonder if these
civilizations have ever use a tool like the lathe to produce crafts.

There is an awful lot we don't know about previous civilizations and a lot
of what we have thought we knew has been revised multiple times since we
first "knew" it. Take a close look at some of the 'religious artifacts'
and you will see that some will produce a couple volts if you fill them
with vinegar. Was that how they were used? We don't know ... and that's
why they are lumped in with all the other 'religious artifacts'.


I seem to recall a National Geographic article many, many years ago in which
they described a shipload of batteries that had been discovered. The thing
is the ship sank about 2000 years ago. The speculation was that the Greeks
had discovered electroplating--the batteries were built into amphorae, but
there wasn't much else they were likely to be but batteries given the
conformation.


Bill

J. Clarke wrote:


I seem to recall that part of the problem with the Mesoamerican
civilizations and the wheel was that they did not have a large draft animal
of any kind and that soil conditions were such that in the absence of
something with the brute force to pull a cart through the mud a man could
carry more on his back than in a wheeled conveyance.

Yep.

In article , "George" george@least wrote:

They were certainly protein-limited by their lack of domesticated animals.
Makes you think about the role of nutrition in civilization in a whole new
light, and the role of domestication in providing nutrition as well as a way
to haul it to storage.

I've read more than one case for the collapse of the Maya based on
nutrition. The cultivation they seem to have had down pretty well, with the
same sort of mound and ditch found elsewhere, but of course they didn't have
the variety of protein in their diet to remain free of disease without some
meat.


Sorry, but I don't buy that. Collectively, modern North Americans eat
*waaaaay* more meat than is needed to maintain good health. It's easy to
suppose that people who eat a lot less meat than we do are therefore not
eating enough.

It's also utterly mistaken.

Further, there are other sources for meat besides large domesticated animals.
The native peoples of North America seemed to do just fine by hunting bison,
whitetail deer, rabbit, and squirrel, among others; by setting snares for
birds; and by fishing. Granted, the native peoples of Central America didn't
have quite the same ready supply of *large* game animals, but there certainly
were other sources of animal protein available to them. Don't underestimate
fish, either.

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In article , Eddie Munster wrote:
J. Clarke wrote:

I seem to recall that part of the problem with the Mesoamerican
civilizations and the wheel was that they did not have a large draft animal
of any kind and that soil conditions were such that in the absence of
something with the brute force to pull a cart through the mud a man could
carry more on his back than in a wheeled conveyance.

Yep.

Nope, as I already pointed out. A man with a wheelbarrow can carry a whole lot
more than a man with a backpack. You absolutely do *not* need large draft
animals in order to make wheels useful.

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George wrote:

Is a circle a wheel?


It depends if they roll it to go from A to B.

A circle only exits in a flat plane with no depth. The calendar had a
depth to it.

If depth is not important, then the question is "when does a circle
become a cylinder?" For instance a circle of zero depth with a diamerter
of four feet, is now stretched out to a depth of eight feet. Clearly
this is now a cylinder. It got to be a cylinder by passing through the
wheel stage.

Now lets all go to ebay and buy pen blanks.

(ahem...) Getting back to central american civilization and turning...
A friend noticed I was into turning and gave me what he described as a
"chocolate stirer" he said was used by the Mexicans, and the Aztecs
before them to stir their chocolate. A spindle turning, it looks sort
of like a fluted ball on the end of a stick, with some decoration.
About 10" long and 1-1/2" diameter at the ball. The friend said he got
it a Disneyland in 1955, where he watched a Mexican gentleman hand turn
this piece in minutes with nothing more than a block of wood with a
depression in it (tailstock) held between his feet, a stringed bow
(headstock) and some kind of tool which he kept sharp by "grinding" on
the cement he sat on. Wasn't clear what he used for a tool rest, if
any, or how he juggled all the pieces while turning, wish I'd been
there to see it. So a wheel is not required to turn wood.

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(ahem...) Getting back to central american civilization and turning...
A friend noticed I was into turning and gave me what he described as a
"chocolate stirer" he said was used by the Mexicans, and the Aztecs
before them to stir their chocolate. A spindle turning, it looks sort
of like a fluted ball on the end of a stick, with some decoration.
About 10" long and 1-1/2" diameter at the ball. The friend said he got
it a Disneyland in 1955, where he watched a Mexican gentleman hand turn
this piece in minutes with nothing more than a block of wood with a
depression in it (tailstock) held between his feet, a stringed bow
(headstock) and some kind of tool which he kept sharp by "grinding" on
the cement he sat on. Wasn't clear what he used for a tool rest, if
any, or how he juggled all the pieces while turning, wish I'd been
there to see it. So a wheel is not required to turn wood.


Woman who works with my wife at the college brought one of those chocolate
stirring devices back from Mexico for me, because she knew I was a turner.
Elaborately burned and perforated on the one I have.
The turning itself is both wheel and axle in the circumstance. The rotary
motion about an axis or axle needed to define a wheel is there, though it is
also clear that this component of two of the Greeks' four fundamental
machines was not developed, or if developed, not documented in Amerind
cultures.

I'll stick with the AHD, where " wheel (hw¶l, w¶l) n. 1. A solid disk or a
rigid circular ring connected by spokes to a hub, designed to turn around an
axle passed through the center. 2. Something resembling such a disk or ring
in appearance or movement or having a wheel as its principal part or
characteristic, as: a. The steering device on a vehicle. b. A potter's
wheel. c. A water wheel. d. A spinning wheel. ...."

The evidence for drought cited is only part of the picture. Populations
decline to the level the food supply, which includes the available game, can
support, then rise again with the food supply. Clearly this did not happen
in this case. I'll stick with disease and/or warfare over available
resources as the actual nail in the coffin. Most sources I've seen make a
good deal of the fact that a static population easily decimates the
undomesticated fauna within the distance required to sortie forth, kill, and
bring back anything resembling edible high-quality protein. Fairly short
distance in the tropics.

An instructive thread. Guess the A's & M's were limited to slinging
snake dung; bulls & horses being unknown to neither the Aztec
Association of Woodturners nor the Worshipful Company of Mayan Turners.
Are we coming full _circle ourselves?


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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:05:35 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article , "George" george@least wrote:

They were certainly protein-limited by their lack of domesticated animals.
Makes you think about the role of nutrition in civilization in a whole new
light, and the role of domestication in providing nutrition as well as a way
to haul it to storage.

I've read more than one case for the collapse of the Maya based on
nutrition. The cultivation they seem to have had down pretty well, with the
same sort of mound and ditch found elsewhere, but of course they didn't have
the variety of protein in their diet to remain free of disease without some
meat.

It is fairly well documented (now) that Mayan culture was a victim of
nothing more exotic than bad weather, ie. draught, which was some 7-12
years long and destroyed their agriculture base so they basically
starved to death. Up until that time they subsisted quite nicely on a
maize diet with fish. Not to mention a little coca enema from time to
time for the priesthood!

Didn't help them when the canals dried up, though.

BTW, no Pre-Columbian society used the potter's wheel. All known
ceramics were formed by coiling, hand-molding or shaping around
basketry forms then burning out the basket. This includes vessels,
figurines and smoking pipes.


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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:32:25 -0500, Eddie Munster
wrote:

No the point is the soil conditions.

Now think about it for a minute...."Smoking Frog" comes up with this
great idea, a round thing that will make loads easier to move because
it will roll along the ground and the load will be borne on top of it.
But he thinks about it for a few minutes and says, "No, that'll never
work efficiently until the Mixtec Memorial Parkway is built. I guess
I'm just a few hundred years before my time."

Do you think Mesoamerica is a swamp? There's lots of solid ground.
Jungle doesn't preclude wheeled transport either. However, not making
the connection (mentally) between the wheel in abstract (like the
calendar) and a more practical application does preclude using it
for that application.

I really doubt that if someone came up with an idea to ease their
burdens that would have been as revolutionary as the wheel, they would
have abandoned the idea because they lived next to a mudhole.


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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 20:09:19 -0600, Prometheus
wrote:


With an advanced astronomical calendar, it's almost certainly a wheel.
It seems fairly impossible that they would not be aware of the wheel,
but it is possible that they did not use them for religious reasons.

There is no Mayan or contemporary Spanish evidence to support
this...hypothesis.

I don't know about turned wood, but I'm pretty sure they had turned
pottery,

Nope. No potter's wheels.


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Don't even get me started on the Mormons. The Utah Faction still
controls many of the regulars here in this forum. Nish and those
Godless Canadians would have destroyed this group long ago were it not
for my vigilance in pointing out the bigamist conspiracy.
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:32:25 -0500, Eddie Munster
wrote:

No the point is the soil conditions.

Also there are examples in history of smaller armies defeating larger
better armies because they lured the dummies into soft soil and their
cannons and horses stuck.


Waterloo, for one.


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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:39:08 GMT, (Chuck)
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 20:09:19 -0600, Prometheus
wrote:


With an advanced astronomical calendar, it's almost certainly a wheel.
It seems fairly impossible that they would not be aware of the wheel,
but it is possible that they did not use them for religious reasons.

There is no Mayan or contemporary Spanish evidence to support
this...hypothesis.

You're probably right, at that- it is just a hypothesis, after all.
My thought was that it is rather unlikely that they spent enough time
observing the sky to make a calendar of any sort without noticing that
the celestial bodies were moving in a circular fashion. I'm no
expert, but it seems like a fairly basic conclusion that a round
calendar based on the heavens would have a central point around which
the edges "revolved" While that doesn't make a wagon, it is a wheel
of sorts.

I don't know about turned wood, but I'm pretty sure they had turned
pottery,

Nope. No potter's wheels.

Ok- I thought I had seen some, but it could certainly have been made
by other methods.
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam

Chuck wrote:

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:32:25 -0500, Eddie Munster
wrote:

No the point is the soil conditions.

Now think about it for a minute...."Smoking Frog" comes up with this
great idea, a round thing that will make loads easier to move because
it will roll along the ground and the load will be borne on top of it.
But he thinks about it for a few minutes and says, "No, that'll never
work efficiently until the Mixtec Memorial Parkway is built. I guess
I'm just a few hundred years before my time."

Do you think Mesoamerica is a swamp? There's lots of solid ground.
Jungle doesn't preclude wheeled transport either. However, not making
the connection (mentally) between the wheel in abstract (like the
calendar) and a more practical application does preclude using it
for that application.

Much of Aztecia _is_ a swamp--they liked to build on islands in lakes.

And much of the rest of the area has moist soil conditions for a significant
portion of the year (can you say "rain forest"?). Further, anybody who has
maintained trails will tell you that wheeled vehicles, even relatively
gentle ones like mountain bikes, can start erosion patterns that if not
dealt with can make a significant mess of trails in such benign localities
as New England. The traffic of a large city moving loads over those same
trails on wooden-wheeled wheelbarrows would create a quagmire fairly
quickly.

I really doubt that if someone came up with an idea to ease their
burdens that would have been as revolutionary as the wheel, they would
have abandoned the idea because they lived next to a mudhole.

Doubt whatever you want to. It only eases their burdens if they can
actually use it. If they have to do ten times as much work preparing
surfaces for it to run on than they save by using it then it is not a good
deal.

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Arch wrote:

An instructive thread. Guess the A's & M's were limited to slinging
snake dung; bulls & horses being unknown to neither the Aztec
Association of Woodturners nor the Worshipful Company of Mayan Turners.
Are we coming full _circle ourselves?

Could have slung jaguar dung, or panther **** for that matter.

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They already had domesticated turkeys and also along the coast ate fish.
The Aztec also cultivated Spirulina a high protein algae which they grew
in the surrounding lakes. Aztec also cultivated Amaranth one of the few
grains which is high in complete proteins. Incas had domesticated the
Guinea Pig as live stock food source as well as cultivated a grain
Quinoa which is also high in complete proteins. Mesoamericans had
plenty enough protein in their diet to stay healthy.

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