Poison Ivy
Last fall I cut some elm and unfortunately wound up with a poison ivy
rash. Looking at the logs it should have been obvious, I guess I was caught up in the moment. You know how you get excited about a tree. Anyway, the logs have been sitting for about 4 months. The poison ivy vines are still firmly attached to the bark even though they appear to be dry. My question is, will this ivy still cause a reaction now that it is dry? Kirk |
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Yes!
Leif "Kirk" wrote in message ... Last fall I cut some elm and unfortunately wound up with a poison ivy rash. Looking at the logs it should have been obvious, I guess I was caught up in the moment. You know how you get excited about a tree. Anyway, the logs have been sitting for about 4 months. The poison ivy vines are still firmly attached to the bark even though they appear to be dry. My question is, will this ivy still cause a reaction now that it is dry? Kirk |
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Ditto, poison Ivy remains infectious in any state, other than ashes, but
don't be near the fire while burning Dave "Leif Thorvaldson" wrote in message ... Yes! Leif "Kirk" wrote in message ... Last fall I cut some elm and unfortunately wound up with a poison ivy rash. Looking at the logs it should have been obvious, I guess I was caught up in the moment. You know how you get excited about a tree. Anyway, the logs have been sitting for about 4 months. The poison ivy vines are still firmly attached to the bark even though they appear to be dry. My question is, will this ivy still cause a reaction now that it is dry? Kirk |
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Absolutely. I had a bad case of it this summer and did some research. I
don't remember the specifics but it surprised me. I'm wanting to remember that the oils (that's where the active stuff resides) in it can remain "active" for several months to a year on a completely dried plant and up to 5 years in some cases and even on clothes. Double check those numbers but it was something outrageous. A fantastic person on this list told me about Zanfel. It's terribly expensive and not easily found but it works wonders with ivy rash. I nearly cried when it took away the itching/burning in 30 seconds as advertised. It took 3 treatments over a day to finally kick it but from the first treatment I was so much better I couldn't hardly believe it. THANK YOU to whomever it was. I used to be only allergic to the smoke (figure that one out!) but I got this case from brushing up against it with a bare leg. Man, I hope this isn't something new. I'm in this stuff all the time! - Andrew "Kirk" wrote in message ... Last fall I cut some elm and unfortunately wound up with a poison ivy rash. Looking at the logs it should have been obvious, I guess I was caught up in the moment. You know how you get excited about a tree. Anyway, the logs have been sitting for about 4 months. The poison ivy vines are still firmly attached to the bark even though they appear to be dry. My question is, will this ivy still cause a reaction now that it is dry? Kirk |
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In article 7XHOb.96530$I06.427219@attbi_s01,
"David Babcock" wrote: Ditto, poison Ivy remains infectious in any state, other than ashes, but don't be near the fire while burning There's an understatement. Poison ivy smoke is a good way to get killed. Burning brush or wood contaminated with poison ivy is a very bad idea. -- Cats, Coffee, Chocolate...vices to live by |
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Errh, gentlemen! Once more LDD rides to the rescue. The detergent will
dissolve and vanquish those nasty oils! Leif "Victor Radin" wrote in message .net... In article , says... My question is, will this ivy still cause a reaction now that it is dry? Kirk Yes. I've seen kids handle dead dry, vines thinking they were safe and wind up with severe rashes. The volatile oil (sorry- forgot the name of it) can still be active for months after being dead & dried. Wearing double latex or rubber gloves should protect your hands from a re- infection. Wear a respirator- you DO NOT want to breath any of the oil into your lungs, and above all- DO NOT BURN THE VINES!!!!! The oils can be carried by the steam into your lungs. As much as I like elm, I'd be tempted to dump the stuff and call it a loss. Although there may be someone here who knows how to neutralize the oil... wouldn't surprise me. /vic |
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As a former land manager we control burned scrub and dead wood over many
acres. We knew and expected Poison Ivy and Oak to be present in most of those areas. We needed to inform the town, get permits, and have some oversight before burning. All person were supplied with respirators and chemical suits. Other precautions were taken as well. But no fatalities. Dave "Ecnerwal" wrote in message ... In article 7XHOb.96530$I06.427219@attbi_s01, "David Babcock" wrote: Ditto, poison Ivy remains infectious in any state, other than ashes, but don't be near the fire while burning There's an understatement. Poison ivy smoke is a good way to get killed. Burning brush or wood contaminated with poison ivy is a very bad idea. -- Cats, Coffee, Chocolate...vices to live by |
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Errh, gentlemen! Once more LDD rides to the rescue. The detergent will
dissolve and vanquish those nasty oils! Leif, Good idea, it may work very well. I agree with vanguish, but dissolve? I'm feel compelled to correct your chemistry. Only solvents can dissolve a substance (note the common root word) and detergent is not a solvent. It is more likely the detergent is saponifying the oil. Dan |
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Look up URUSHIOL
It's an allergy, not an infection. I'd think with gloves you could pull the vines off the bark, perhaps even peel off the bark in that area. The rest of the wood would be ok. |
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Instead of Zanfel, try wild Jewelweed. It's a folk remedy for
stinging nettle. Supposedly Jewelweed will always be growing in the same area as stinging nettle (though not the reverse, it often grows alone). I have found that it works very well on all types of dermal problems, includind contact dermatitis and poison ivy. It even takes the ich out of mosquito bites. If you can't find some growing wild try your local nursery and get some New Guinea Impatiens. I've found these effective also. Just crush the succulent stems and rub the juice on the affected area. You wrote snipI used to be only allergic to the smoke (figure that one out!) but I got this case from brushing up against it with a bare leg. Man, I hope this isn't something new.snip I hate to say it but it sure sounds like it. People can go a long time with multiple exposures before receiving a single "sensitizing dose" and becoming (fully) allergic. As far as I know there is no understanding of why, all of a sudden, people go from being immune to being allergic. You might want to be real careful around it from now on. |
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Thanks for the response. I really did think that it would be safe to
handle now, probably avoided another exposure by reading this group. I am going to try and salvage the logs. Rubber gloves and long sleeves should allow me to remove the bark. They should be safe to take in my shop then. Kirk |
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Damitol works well if used as directed.
snicker "Larry" wrote in message om... Instead of Zanfel, try wild Jewelweed. It's a folk remedy for stinging nettle. Supposedly Jewelweed will always be growing in the same area as stinging nettle (though not the reverse, it often grows alone). I have found that it works very well on all types of dermal problems, includind contact dermatitis and poison ivy. It even takes the ich out of mosquito bites. If you can't find some growing wild try your local nursery and get some New Guinea Impatiens. I've found these effective also. Just crush the succulent stems and rub the juice on the affected area. You wrote snipI used to be only allergic to the smoke (figure that one out!) but I got this case from brushing up against it with a bare leg. Man, I hope this isn't something new.snip I hate to say it but it sure sounds like it. People can go a long time with multiple exposures before receiving a single "sensitizing dose" and becoming (fully) allergic. As far as I know there is no understanding of why, all of a sudden, people go from being immune to being allergic. You might want to be real careful around it from now on. |
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not only will it still give you a rash after months, but botonists
have gotten a rash from specimen of poison ivy years old. The chemical (urushiol oil) doesn't deteriorate with time, vaporizes with heat (so its in the smoke when burning). It also binds very quickly to the proteins in your skin, and once bound to the proteins doesn't wash off. According to my dermatologist friend, you only have a few minutes after exposure to wash it off. Exposure is usually culmulative, which means if you don't get a rash at first, you will get one eventually, and each time it will be worse. You do have to crush or bruise the plant to get the oil out onto your skin, so lightly brushing up agains the leaves often doesn't result in a rash. tim |
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Go to: http://poisonivy.aesir.com/view/cleaning.html there you will find
praise for the efficacy of LDD in conquering Poison Ivy as it conquers dry, chapped hands, cracks in wood and hands, warping of turned items, marital discord, etc! *G* Leif "Dan Bollinger" wrote in message news:kMROb.83424$Rc4.300874@attbi_s54... Errh, gentlemen! Once more LDD rides to the rescue. The detergent will dissolve and vanquish those nasty oils! Leif, Good idea, it may work very well. I agree with vanguish, but dissolve? I'm feel compelled to correct your chemistry. Only solvents can dissolve a substance (note the common root word) and detergent is not a solvent. It is more likely the detergent is saponifying the oil. Dan |
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Kirk wrote: Last fall I cut some elm and unfortunately wound up with a poison ivy rash. Looking at the logs it should have been obvious, I guess I was caught up in the moment. You know how you get excited about a tree. Anyway, the logs have been sitting for about 4 months. The poison ivy vines are still firmly attached to the bark even though they appear to be dry. My question is, will this ivy still cause a reaction now that it is dry? Kirk I'm getting in on this thread about a day late, so bear with me. As others have said, the oil, urushiol, in the plants sap causes an allergic reaction in people that have become sensitized to it. Urushiol breaks down in contact with water which is why LDD and water is effective in making items that have been contaminated safe. Clothing that may have been contaminated should be washed as soon as practicable. The length of time that the urushiol stays dangerous on clothing that hasn't been washed depends upon the humidity of the area of storage, which is why you see varying answers about how long items stay contaminated. As has been stated by others, the urushiol binds with the proteins of the skin after which, it takes special treatment to remove it. Here's one possible cleanser: http://www.teclabsinc.com/pro_tecnu.html As an aside: Some people never become sensitized to urushiol and because of this they EAT poison ivy as an herb/salad green. Urushiol is also why we don't/can't buy casews in the shell. As to your problem, keep yourself covered, wear gloves and boots that can be thoroughly wash/rinsed afterward. Hose down the vines and pull them off the logs. Keeping everything wet will reduce the chance of getting a rash to near zero. Prepare a place ahead of time to bury the vines to let mother nature dispose of them for you. In my war against the poison ivy on my property, I'm worrying it to death. I wait for a good soaking rain then cover up all skin below my collar and go into the woods with a machete. Every vine I see on a tree trunk or anywhere else gets 6 to 12 inches removed from it close to the ground. I hose myself down, wash the rubber gloves and rubber boots, then go into the garage, close the door and strip to my skivies. The clothing goes straight into the washing machine and I go straight to the shower. After six years of this,I see very little new growth of ivy and a lot of dead vines on the trees. I now feel a lot safer going into the rear part of my lot now. ARM |
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Alan McClure wrote:
As an aside: Some people never become sensitized to urushiol and because of this they EAT poison ivy as an herb/salad green. Is that really true? I think such people are nuts if it is. :) I've always wondered whether or not I'm allergic to poison ivy. I've been in woods and gardens as long as I can remember. I'm always vigilant about spotting and avoiding it. When I do get into it, I come home as soon as practicable and get in the shower. I take all the precautions, and I've never experienced a rash, but I still wonder if it's my precautions, or some inate lack of sensitivity to the irritant. Urushiol is also why we don't/can't buy casews in the shell. It is, isn't it? I forgot about that. Cashews are a /Rhus/ too. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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In article , Kirk
wrote: My question is, will this ivy still cause a reaction now that it is dry? Yes. The rash is an autoimmune reaction to compounds in the plant. http://www.bio.umass.edu/immunology/poisoniv.htm djb -- There are no socks in my email address. "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" |
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In article ,
Silvan wrote: I've always wondered whether or not I'm allergic to poison ivy. I've been in woods and gardens as long as I can remember. I'm always vigilant about spotting and avoiding it. When I do get into it, I come home as soon as practicable and get in the shower. I take all the precautions, and I've never experienced a rash, but I still wonder if it's my precautions, or some inate lack of sensitivity to the irritant. Your precautions can help maintain "inate lack of sensitivity". Once upon a time, I could use creosote (nasty carcinogenic preservative they don't sell to the public anymore) with impunity, and I did. One day, I could not. Probably just as well (it is nasty stuff) but I went from no reaction to pretty severe reaction, without any sort of transition. -- Cats, Coffee, Chocolate...vices to live by |
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Alan McClure wrote: (clip) As to your problem, keep yourself covered, wear gloves and boots that can be thoroughly wash/rinsed afterward.(clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^ I have been told that firemen, when they have to work a fire where poison ivy or poison oak may be present, use one of the skin creams that keeps dirt and grime out of the pores. This is the stuff which is meant to be applied to the hands PRIOR to doing filthy work, and rinsed off afterward. I wish I could remember one of the brand names, but memory ain't working. |
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maybe some prevention?
the lee valley liquid glove stuff claims to be protect you from lots of nastyness, I seem to remeber poison ivy being one of them. I think it makes it stay on the outside of your skin for easier washing off. in article , Ecnerwal at wrote on 1/19/04 6:20 PM: In article , Silvan wrote: I've always wondered whether or not I'm allergic to poison ivy. I've been in woods and gardens as long as I can remember. I'm always vigilant about spotting and avoiding it. When I do get into it, I come home as soon as practicable and get in the shower. I take all the precautions, and I've never experienced a rash, but I still wonder if it's my precautions, or some inate lack of sensitivity to the irritant. Your precautions can help maintain "inate lack of sensitivity". Once upon a time, I could use creosote (nasty carcinogenic preservative they don't sell to the public anymore) with impunity, and I did. One day, I could not. Probably just as well (it is nasty stuff) but I went from no reaction to pretty severe reaction, without any sort of transition. |
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From what I have read is that the main thing is that it be a detergent --
not a soap. Read some of the remedies in the URL I posted. Leif "Reyd Dorakeen" wrote in message ... I wonder which LDD will work best for wood, maybe some will work better with certain types. in article , Leif Thorvaldson at wrote on 1/19/04 12:30 PM: Go to: http://poisonivy.aesir.com/view/cleaning.html there you will find praise for the efficacy of LDD in conquering Poison Ivy as it conquers dry, chapped hands, cracks in wood and hands, warping of turned items, marital discord, etc! *G* Leif "Dan Bollinger" wrote in message news:kMROb.83424$Rc4.300874@attbi_s54... Errh, gentlemen! Once more LDD rides to the rescue. The detergent will dissolve and vanquish those nasty oils! Leif, Good idea, it may work very well. I agree with vanguish, but dissolve? I'm feel compelled to correct your chemistry. Only solvents can dissolve a substance (note the common root word) and detergent is not a solvent. It is more likely the detergent is saponifying the oil. Dan |
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Yep. Detergent emulsifies oils better than soap, however it also rips away
body oils, which is why we use soaps for ourselves, detergents for the inanimates. "Leif Thorvaldson" wrote in message ... From what I have read is that the main thing is that it be a detergent -- not a soap. Read some of the remedies in the URL I posted. |
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Silvan wrote: Alan McClure wrote: As an aside: Some people never become sensitized to urushiol and because of this they EAT poison ivy as an herb/salad green. Is that really true? I think such people are nuts if it is. :) I've always wondered whether or not I'm allergic to poison ivy. I've been in woods and gardens as long as I can remember. I'm always vigilant about spotting and avoiding it. When I do get into it, I come home as soon as practicable and get in the shower. I take all the precautions, and I've never experienced a rash, but I still wonder if it's my precautions, or some inate lack of sensitivity to the irritant. Urushiol is also why we don't/can't buy casews in the shell. It is, isn't it? I forgot about that. Cashews are a /Rhus/ too. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ Michael, about seven years ago we moved into our current house and quickly discovered that the lower/back yard was full of poison ivy. Some vines over 1" in diameter and 30' up the trees. Up to that time I had never, that I know of, incountered any of the poison plants (Rhus). I spent many hours researching the subject and developing a plan to make our living area safer. In that research I came upon the web site of someone who used it as an edible herb. Now, for the life of me, I can't find it. But, I do know I didn't imagine it. OBTW Thanks for correction of my spelling of cashews. ARM |
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Easiest, perhaps. But practical? Not for anything but very very light use
and certainly not for the threads' original poster concerning moving wood logs. Those liquid barriers, unless you go for the industrial THICK, heavy, and movement restricting stuff which costs a fortune, isn't easy to find, and is just plain unbearable to use for any length of time, don't last when you're doing more than just pulling your daisies up. It's just not practical to slather yourself (or even just your hands) every few minutes when doing actual work. For real work, you just have to cover up and take precautions unclothing and washing afterwards. Looks like that's what I'll be having to do from now on. No more rolling around in it. g - Andrew As I was reading this thread, I'm thinking to myself, "Haven't any of these guys ever heard of liquid barrier products???" Leave it to the youngest of the bunch to come up with the easiest prevention. No oils on gloves to worry about, just wash it off and the oils go with it. -- Chuck *#:^) |
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:41:41 GMT, Reyd Dorakeen wrote:
maybe some prevention? the lee valley liquid glove stuff claims to be protect you from lots of nastyness, I seem to remeber poison ivy being one of them. I think it makes it stay on the outside of your skin for easier washing off. As I was reading this thread, I'm thinking to myself, "Haven't any of these guys ever heard of liquid barrier products???" Leave it to the youngest of the bunch to come up with the easiest prevention. No oils on gloves to worry about, just wash it off and the oils go with it. -- Chuck *#:^) chaz3913(AT)yahoo(DOT)com Anti-spam sig: please remove "NO SPAM" from e-mail address to reply. September 11, 2001 - Never Forget -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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I speak from experience (field medical, laboratory, and lumber-jacking) and
not theoretics or product labeling. It doesn't stand up. - Andrew The products are _made_ for "real work" (protects against concrete burns for instance) and are available from outdoor and construction suppliers. While not as readily available as say...a pair of gloves, if you know your property has poison ivy on it, for instance, or if you're going to be handling wood that you're allergic to or whatever, you would likely purchase a bottle of it. -- Chuck *#:^) |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:15:22 -0600, "AHilton"
wrote: For real work, you just have to cover up and take precautions unclothing and washing afterwards. Looks like that's what I'll be having to do from now on. No more rolling around in it. g First, I've never used the stuff. However, in my archaeology days I did a lot of research into the products and their capabilities, mainly because of an area I was potentially going to be working in. According to information from the manufacturer, "Liquid Gloves" and the like form a sweat-resistant and abrasion-resistant barrier, on a porous level, rather than something like Anchor Seal, which is easily peeled off. The products are _made_ for "real work" (protects against concrete burns for instance) and are available from outdoor and construction suppliers. While not as readily available as say...a pair of gloves, if you know your property has poison ivy on it, for instance, or if you're going to be handling wood that you're allergic to or whatever, you would likely purchase a bottle of it. -- Chuck *#:^) chaz3913(AT)yahoo(DOT)com Anti-spam sig: please remove "NO SPAM" from e-mail address to reply. September 11, 2001 - Never Forget -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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"Leo Lichtman" wrote in message ... Alan McClure wrote: (clip) As to your problem, keep yourself covered, wear gloves and boots that can be thoroughly wash/rinsed afterward.(clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^ I have been told that firemen, when they have to work a fire where poison ivy or poison oak may be present, use one of the skin creams that keeps dirt and grime out of the pores. This is the stuff which is meant to be applied to the hands PRIOR to doing filthy work, and rinsed off afterward. I wish I could remember one of the brand names, but memory ain't working. Hi - Generic term is "barrier cream" - should be available at industrial supply houses. One brand is "Gloves in a bottle".... For poison ivy - "Roundup" works well, and can be used selectively (and is not harmful). An effective way to use products like this is to wear a rubber glove, put a cotton glove on top of than, and wet it with "round-up".... touch or squeeze the plants you want to kill, without worrying about overspray from a bottle.... Cheers - Rob |
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As an aside: Some people never become sensitized to urushiol and because
of this they EAT poison ivy as an herb/salad green. Is that really true? I think such people are nuts if it is. :) Our cows liked to munch on poison ivy. |
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Robin Lee wrote: Hi - Generic term is "barrier cream" - should be available at industrial supply houses. One brand is "Gloves in a bottle".... For poison ivy - "Roundup" works well, and can be used selectively (and is not harmful). An effective way to use products like this is to wear a rubber glove, put a cotton glove on top of than, and wet it with "round-up".... touch or squeeze the plants you want to kill, without worrying about overspray from a bottle.... Cheers - Rob Wow! The touch of death! I like that. Thanks for the tip, Robin. ARM |
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In article KWRPb.125561$na.129455@attbi_s04,
"Dan Bollinger" wrote: As an aside: Some people never become sensitized to urushiol and because of this they EAT poison ivy as an herb/salad green. Is that really true? I think such people are nuts if it is. :) Our cows liked to munch on poison ivy. So... People who eat poison ivy are nuts; Dan's cows like to eat poison ivy; therefore, Dan's cows are nuts. Ergo, the source of Mad Cow, no? _____ American Association of Woodturners Cascade Woodturners Assoc., Portland, Oregon Northwest Woodturners, Tigard, Oregon _____ |
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In article KWRPb.125561$na.129455@attbi_s04,
"Dan Bollinger" wrote: Our cows liked to munch on poison ivy. Another thought... Various dogs who've shared their companionship with me over the years would, at times, eat their own poop. Doesn't mean it's something advised for humans - well, there was that character in "Hairspray". _____ American Association of Woodturners Cascade Woodturners Assoc., Portland, Oregon Northwest Woodturners, Tigard, Oregon _____ |
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I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned that there is a product on the
market designed specifically to protect us from the ravages of rhus dermatitis. "Ivy Block" is FDA approved (which I believe means that it does the job at some level). I think that it binds with the oils that cause the rash, rather than just being a barrier cream. I seem to remember reading a few years ago (before the product came to market) that the Forest Service tested it on fire fighters with positive results. I've used it, but come up short of endorsing it because I still do all I can to avoid contact with the plant. My two cents worth. Might be worth trying. Bill |
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Yeah, Owen. "Flamingos"saved me away from a potential hobby of coprophagy!
*YUCK* Leif "Tony Manella" ndd1atprolog.net wrote in message ... Do you mean Divine in Pink Flamingos? Grossed me the heck out "Owen Lowe" wrote in message ... In article KWRPb.125561$na.129455@attbi_s04, "Dan Bollinger" wrote: Our cows liked to munch on poison ivy. Another thought... Various dogs who've shared their companionship with me over the years would, at times, eat their own poop. Doesn't mean it's something advised for humans - well, there was that character in "Hairspray". _____ American Association of Woodturners Cascade Woodturners Assoc., Portland, Oregon Northwest Woodturners, Tigard, Oregon _____ |
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In article ,
"Leif Thorvaldson" wrote: Yeah, Owen. "Flamingos"saved me away from a potential hobby of coprophagy! *YUCK* Yeah, Tony, it was Devine - thanks. And Leif, you got that right. Just makes me feel all ooogie just thinking about it. _____ American Association of Woodturners Cascade Woodturners Assoc., Portland, Oregon Northwest Woodturners, Tigard, Oregon _____ |
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Dan Bollinger wrote:
As an aside: Some people never become sensitized to urushiol and because of this they EAT poison ivy as an herb/salad green. Is that really true? I think such people are nuts if it is. :) Our cows liked to munch on poison ivy. In college I had a friend that told the story of a guy he knew that made a poison ivy salad. His thinking was he would build up his immune system. Didn't work. Didn't kill him, but he apparently was sicker than a dog for bit... ....Kevin -- Kevin & Theresa Miller Juneau, Alaska http://www.alaska.net/~atftb |
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