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New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
I really don't use steady rests as much as I should.. seems like they're in the
my way a lot... gets to be a problem with goblets and glasses.. Great idea in the Winter AAW magazine in the tips section and I tried it this morning: After hollowing and sanding the inside of the bowl, I put a tennis ball in the bottom of the bowl and brought the tail stock up to it with a cup center on it.. Works GREAT! Why didn't I know about this a couple of years ago, or at least a couple of weeks ago when I started the "goblets from hell" for a client? mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
"mac davis" wrote: clip) Why didn't I know about this a couple of years ago, (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Then, do you also know about the "string steady" invented by Escaulen? He also invented a very interesting ball chuck, for off-axis turning. |
New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
"mac davis" wrote in message ... I really don't use steady rests as much as I should.. seems like they're in the my way a lot... gets to be a problem with goblets and glasses.. Great idea in the Winter AAW magazine in the tips section and I tried it this morning: After hollowing and sanding the inside of the bowl, I put a tennis ball in the bottom of the bowl and brought the tail stock up to it with a cup center on it.. Works GREAT! Why didn't I know about this a couple of years ago, or at least a couple of weeks ago when I started the "goblets from hell" for a client? You weren't keeping up on your reading. Old technique, but a good one. I simply take the (Oneway) steady I used at 9:00 and move it to 3:00 when I'm refining the exterior. The Nova, and I think, some other rotating tails allow you to make tapered plywood disks of any size and bolt them to the rotating center. Works as well as tennis balls or wooden cones, in my experience. |
New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
Hi Mac, I wonder if AAW would publish a tip about the inclined plane or
maybe a little more up to date, the wheel. I bet it's more likely you once knew about the tennis ball and just forgot about it. :) Turn to Safety, Arch Fortiter http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings |
New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
"Arch" wrote: (clip) a little more up to date, the wheel. (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I don't think I have heard about that one, Arch. Could you post a link? And the plane, also, if you're so inclined. |
New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
On Nov 30, 12:17 pm, mac davis wrote:
I really don't use steady rests as much as I should.. seems like they're in the my way a lot... gets to be a problem with goblets and glasses.. Great idea in the Winter AAW magazine in the tips section and I tried it this morning: After hollowing and sanding the inside of the bowl, I put a tennis ball in the bottom of the bowl and brought the tail stock up to it with a cup center on it.. Works GREAT! Why didn't I know about this a couple of years ago, or at least a couple of weeks ago when I started the "goblets from hell" for a client? mac Please remove splinters before emailing Hi Mac, I suppose a tennis ball would work but it seems to me it would be a bit cumbersome. I use a piece of styrofoam. Some use a paper towel but I prefer the styrofoam. Bob http://www.outofcontrol-woodturning.com |
New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:27:10 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"
wrote: "mac davis" wrote: clip) Why didn't I know about this a couple of years ago, (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Then, do you also know about the "string steady" invented by Escaulen? He also invented a very interesting ball chuck, for off-axis turning. string steady? Sounds kinda kinky Leo, but tell me about it.. mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:39:55 GMT, "George" wrote:
You weren't keeping up on your reading. Old technique, but a good one. I simply take the (Oneway) steady I used at 9:00 and move it to 3:00 when I'm refining the exterior. The Nova, and I think, some other rotating tails allow you to make tapered plywood disks of any size and bolt them to the rotating center. Works as well as tennis balls or wooden cones, in my experience. I'd rather go with the tennis ball, George... the inside of the bowl was sanded to 1500 grit and I don't wanna do that again.. ;-] mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 00:29:08 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"
wrote: "Arch" wrote: (clip) a little more up to date, the wheel. (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I don't think I have heard about that one, Arch. Could you post a link? And the plane, also, if you're so inclined. I know about the plane, but only from Fantasy island reruns.. mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:39:26 -0800 (PST), turnerbob
wrote: On Nov 30, 12:17 pm, mac davis wrote: I really don't use steady rests as much as I should.. seems like they're in the my way a lot... gets to be a problem with goblets and glasses.. Great idea in the Winter AAW magazine in the tips section and I tried it this morning: After hollowing and sanding the inside of the bowl, I put a tennis ball in the bottom of the bowl and brought the tail stock up to it with a cup center on it.. Works GREAT! Why didn't I know about this a couple of years ago, or at least a couple of weeks ago when I started the "goblets from hell" for a client? mac Please remove splinters before emailing Hi Mac, I suppose a tennis ball would work but it seems to me it would be a bit cumbersome. I use a piece of styrofoam. Some use a paper towel but I prefer the styrofoam. Bob http://www.outofcontrol-woodturning.com Wouldn't the styrofoam scratch the inside of the bowl, Bob? I can't say how the tennis ball would work on a smaller goblet, but it fits snugly in the bottom of mine and just sort of sits there until I bring the tail stock forward.. mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
"mac davis" wrote: String steady? Sounds kinda kinky Leo, but tell me about it ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Escaulen shows this idea at his demos, by turning goblets or trembleurs that are fantastically tall. He cuts out a wooden "question mark," and supports it from the ways so the stem goes through the center of the loop (it is adjustable.) He drives four small nails equally spaced around the loop, and winds string radially from the nails to the goblet stem, so there is support in four directions. He ties the strings and stem together with a short piece of string, tied in a knot. The stem can spin inside the knot, but it is gently supported--maybe every 6 to 8". He can turn stuff a couple feet in length and maybe 1/8" diameter. I suppose a string, looped in this way, and tied with a knot could be considered "kinky." Whatever *turns* you on. |
New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
On Nov 30, 9:36 pm, mac davis wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:39:26 -0800 (PST), turnerbob wrote: On Nov 30, 12:17 pm, mac davis wrote: I really don't use steady rests as much as I should.. seems like they're in the my way a lot... gets to be a problem with goblets and glasses.. Great idea in the Winter AAW magazine in the tips section and I tried it this morning: After hollowing and sanding the inside of the bowl, I put a tennis ball in the bottom of the bowl and brought the tail stock up to it with a cup center on it.. Works GREAT! Why didn't I know about this a couple of years ago, or at least a couple of weeks ago when I started the "goblets from hell" for a client? mac Please remove splinters before emailing Hi Mac, I suppose a tennis ball would work but it seems to me it would be a bit cumbersome. I use a piece of styrofoam. Some use a paper towel but I prefer the styrofoam. Bob http://www.outofcontrol-woodturning.com Wouldn't the styrofoam scratch the inside of the bowl, Bob? I can't say how the tennis ball would work on a smaller goblet, but it fits snugly in the bottom of mine and just sort of sits there until I bring the tail stock forward.. mac Please remove splinters before emailing Hi Mac, The type of styrofoam I use is the type that things come packed in. It's fairly soft. I've been using foam for years and have never seen a scratch. I like the fact that I can shape it to any size easily. I'm sure the tennis ball works but I would prefer having something that goes inside the cup to better support the piece laterally. Especially with a thin stem goblet. I've turned a lot of goblets but never with 3.5 " id. At that size I imagine the tennis ball works very well. Bob http://www.outofcontrol-woodturning.com |
New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
I've never tried it and don't know if it works, but maybe it will
impress Mac. :) I think I vaguely remember that for holding and steadying fragile goblets to do the stems, polyurethane foam sealant can be sprayed in the cup and when it hardens the tailcenter can be applied to it. I know it sticks to wood, so how to get it out later? Line the cup with saran? Plus how would you judge how much the foam will expand. The expanding & hardening foam could possibly have had other uses. Just forget I brought it up, Mac. Best to serve a tennis ball and ace that goblet. Just be careful not to double fault. Arragh! Turn to Safety, Arch Fortiter http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings |
New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
"mac davis" wrote in message ... On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:39:55 GMT, "George" wrote: You weren't keeping up on your reading. Old technique, but a good one. I simply take the (Oneway) steady I used at 9:00 and move it to 3:00 when I'm refining the exterior. The Nova, and I think, some other rotating tails allow you to make tapered plywood disks of any size and bolt them to the rotating center. Works as well as tennis balls or wooden cones, in my experience. I'd rather go with the tennis ball, George... the inside of the bowl was sanded to 1500 grit and I don't wanna do that again.. ;-] I don't do that ever, but an angled groove in the plywood disk holds just the rim if you are fastidious, and in no way prevents you from reburnishing once you're done. http://www.scrollsaws.com/WoodLathe/woodlatheString.htm Dental floss is strong and prewaxed. Plus the mint scent can cove up any residual from the mothballs! |
New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:08:53 GMT, "George" wrote:
http://www.scrollsaws.com/WoodLathe/woodlatheString.htm Dental floss is strong and prewaxed. Plus the mint scent can cove up any residual from the mothballs! holy crap! If you're going to make all those wood parts, you might as well put brackets and roller blade wheels on 'em.. mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:33:36 -0800 (PST), turnerbob
wrote: Hi Mac, The type of styrofoam I use is the type that things come packed in. It's fairly soft. I've been using foam for years and have never seen a scratch. I like the fact that I can shape it to any size easily. I'm sure the tennis ball works but I would prefer having something that goes inside the cup to better support the piece laterally. Especially with a thin stem goblet. I've turned a lot of goblets but never with 3.5 " id. At that size I imagine the tennis ball works very well. Bob I might have to try that on smaller goblet bowls, bob... These are large enough for the tennis ball to bottom out in the bowl, so it seems to center well.. I was amazed at how much vibration it stopped... much better than my steady rest did.. mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:40:39 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"
wrote: "mac davis" wrote: String steady? Sounds kinda kinky Leo, but tell me about it ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Escaulen shows this idea at his demos, by turning goblets or trembleurs that are fantastically tall. He cuts out a wooden "question mark," and supports it from the ways so the stem goes through the center of the loop (it is adjustable.) He drives four small nails equally spaced around the loop, and winds string radially from the nails to the goblet stem, so there is support in four directions. He ties the strings and stem together with a short piece of string, tied in a knot. The stem can spin inside the knot, but it is gently supported--maybe every 6 to 8". He can turn stuff a couple feet in length and maybe 1/8" diameter. I suppose a string, looped in this way, and tied with a knot could be considered "kinky." Whatever *turns* you on. Yeah, I looked at the link that George posted.. looks way more complicated than putting a tennis ball inside the bowl and using the tail stock.. Now, if I can find an assortment of different diameter tennis or rubber balls.. ;-] mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 00:19:29 -0500, (Arch) wrote:
I've never tried it and don't know if it works, but maybe it will impress Mac. :) I think I vaguely remember that for holding and steadying fragile goblets to do the stems, polyurethane foam sealant can be sprayed in the cup and when it hardens the tailcenter can be applied to it. I know it sticks to wood, so how to get it out later? Line the cup with saran? Plus how would you judge how much the foam will expand. The expanding & hardening foam could possibly have had other uses. Just forget I brought it up, Mac. Best to serve a tennis ball and ace that goblet. Just be careful not to double fault. Arragh! Turn to Safety, Arch Fortiter http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings Well put, as usual, Arch.. I just thought that I'd post the tennis ball idea because it was new to me and might help a few folks.. I wouldn't even be doing goblets if I hadn't of got hooked on Dick Sing's long pens and learned his "thumb steady rest" technique.. mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
Mac, you seem to be blending two different issues. The tennis
ball/sytrofoam/toilet paper inside the goblet is doing a different job from the string steady. The latter is strictly for controlling deflection and vibration in a long thin stem. One of the former devices is still needed to stabilize the bowl. BTW, IMO, it would not be as easy or effective to run roller blade wheels against a very thin stem as string. |
New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
"mac davis" wrote in message ... On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:08:53 GMT, "George" wrote: http://www.scrollsaws.com/WoodLathe/woodlatheString.htm Dental floss is strong and prewaxed. Plus the mint scent can cove up any residual from the mothballs! holy crap! If you're going to make all those wood parts, you might as well put brackets and roller blade wheels on 'em.. Got that right, but in it's simplest form, a string steady is one string or so opposite the cut. Personally, I use fingers wrapped over on thin stuff, but there's all kinds of options. Have you seen the bowl steadies some people make? |
New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:32:25 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"
wrote: Mac, you seem to be blending two different issues. The tennis ball/sytrofoam/toilet paper inside the goblet is doing a different job from the string steady. The latter is strictly for controlling deflection and vibration in a long thin stem. One of the former devices is still needed to stabilize the bowl. BTW, IMO, it would not be as easy or effective to run roller blade wheels against a very thin stem as string. I see your point, Leo.. These goblets (known locally as the Goblets From Hell) have 1/2" diameter stems about 5 or 6" long, so there isn't much deflection.. The tennis ball was an excellent vibration damper, especially on a goblet with a warped bowl.. When I do thinner stems, I've been using a steady rest that I made.. BTW: I parted off the third and LAST goblet today and it was MUCH easier with the tennis ball stabilizing the bowl... wish I'd used it on the first 3.. Picture of the tennis ball setup on ABPW this morning.. mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:46:28 GMT, "George" wrote:
"mac davis" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:08:53 GMT, "George" wrote: http://www.scrollsaws.com/WoodLathe/woodlatheString.htm Dental floss is strong and prewaxed. Plus the mint scent can cove up any residual from the mothballs! holy crap! If you're going to make all those wood parts, you might as well put brackets and roller blade wheels on 'em.. Got that right, but in it's simplest form, a string steady is one string or so opposite the cut. Personally, I use fingers wrapped over on thin stuff, but there's all kinds of options. Me too.. learned that from a Dick Sing pen book and wish I'd learned it years ago.. Have you seen the bowl steadies some people make? Yeah.. I have a couple of shop made steady rests that are ok but not great.. One of my nephews owns a big roller blade place so he sends me wheels sometimes.. Most of the time, they're a PITA to keep moving and my shop made clamping block sucks.. I'm building the next one with Magswitch fixtures.. mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
On Dec 1, 11:17 am, mac davis wrote:
Now, if I can find an assortment of different diameter tennis or rubber balls.. ;-] Believe it or not, they exist -- as dog toys! Search around the net for "tennis ball dog toy" and you'll find them from 1.5 to 6 inches in diameter. I know they have at least three sizes at our local big conglomerate pet store. Not that you want to pay premium pet-toy prices for something that you normally get free as a castoff, but I couldn't resist following up on the throwaway comment. :) Jenn D. |
New (to me) steady rest idea for goblets
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:14:47 -0800 (PST), jdrum00
wrote: On Dec 1, 11:17 am, mac davis wrote: Now, if I can find an assortment of different diameter tennis or rubber balls.. ;-] Believe it or not, they exist -- as dog toys! Search around the net for "tennis ball dog toy" and you'll find them from 1.5 to 6 inches in diameter. I know they have at least three sizes at our local big conglomerate pet store. Not that you want to pay premium pet-toy prices for something that you normally get free as a castoff, but I couldn't resist following up on the throwaway comment. :) Jenn D. 0h... not fair telling me NOW... My wife went shopping in the States this morning and is due back anytime now... across the border by now, for sure.... Now, if you woulda posted this last night.. ;-] mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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