According to the trusty fridge thermometer

10pm

Outside - 25c (77F)
Downstairs with all the windows open - 27c (81F)
Upstairs to where all the heat has riz - 31c (88F)

1am
Outside - 21.5c (71F)
Downstairs - 26c (79F)
Upstairs - not going back up there again after last time.

Trouble is, with the windows open there are now more moths inside the bloody
house than outside I think. I need a bat.


Dave Baker - Puma Race Engines (www.pumaracing.co.uk)
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unsociable and extremely unappealing naked. I'm quite grateful they do though.

Dave Baker wrote:

1am
Outside - 21.5c (71F)
Downstairs - 26c (79F)
Upstairs - not going back up there again after last time.

SWMBO just informed me its 32c in the bedroom.... me thinks I might stay
hear and cuddle the aircon for a bit!

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John Rumm writes:
Dave Baker wrote:

1am
Outside - 21.5c (71F)
Downstairs - 26c (79F)
Upstairs - not going back up there again after last time.

SWMBO just informed me its 32c in the bedroom.... me thinks I might stay
hear and cuddle the aircon for a bit!

Here (North Hampshire) at around 1am it was:

Aug 7 00:54:35 Temperature - Outdoors 23.0
Aug 7 00:58:11 Temperature - Loft 28.0
Aug 7 00:59:23 Temperature - Bedroom 28.0
Aug 7 01:00:28 Temperature - Fridge 2.5
Aug 7 01:02:53 Temperature - Freezer -22.5
Aug 7 01:09:08 Temperature - Garage 27.5

These were a couple of highs from yesterday:

Aug 6 15:02:56 Temperature - Loft 44.0
Aug 6 16:41:49 Temperature - Outdoors 38.0

The outdoors reading is subject to overreading when sun's out,
as it isn't adequately shielded from reradiated heat from nearby
surfaces. (It's actually quite hard to measure outdoor temperature
properly.)

--
Andrew Gabriel

In article ,
Andrew Gabriel wrote:
The outdoors reading is subject to overreading when sun's out,
as it isn't adequately shielded from reradiated heat from nearby
surfaces. (It's actually quite hard to measure outdoor temperature
properly.)

Having just installed one with at the moment the probe simply sticking out
of the wall, any tips on the best way of both making it look as good as
possible with some form of cover which also helps the accuracy?

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In article ,
Dave Plowman writes:
In article ,
Andrew Gabriel wrote:
The outdoors reading is subject to overreading when sun's out,
as it isn't adequately shielded from reradiated heat from nearby
surfaces. (It's actually quite hard to measure outdoor temperature
properly.)

Having just installed one with at the moment the probe simply sticking out
of the wall, any tips on the best way of both making it look as good as
possible with some form of cover which also helps the accuracy?

The temperature the met office reports is the air temperature.
Measuring that without picking up reradiated heat is difficult.
I dare say some google searching might reveal their methods.
Probably a good place to measure that would be under a canopy
of vegitation which is blocking the sunlight, and dense enough
not to allow reeradiated heat down, but open enough for free
flow of air. Also need to keep sensor dry, or you will be
measuring the wet bulb temperature when it rains.

What I was thinking of doing was placing two sensors, probably
around opposite sides of the house, and using the lowest reading
at any one time. I don't have a north facing wall -- all my walls
get sunlight at some point in the day.

Another factor you might consider is that when you walk around
outside, you do feel the effects of direct sunlight and reradiated
heat, so from some points of view, thet might be more representative
of what you actually feel. However, it won't match weather forcast
figures if you were wanting to compare with those, and you couldn't
even compare two sensors as the effects of reradiated heat would
never be the same in two different places.

--
Andrew Gabriel

In article , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
Dave Plowman writes:
In article ,
Andrew Gabriel wrote:
The outdoors reading is subject to overreading when sun's out,
as it isn't adequately shielded from reradiated heat from nearby
surfaces. (It's actually quite hard to measure outdoor temperature
properly.)

Having just installed one with at the moment the probe simply sticking out
of the wall, any tips on the best way of both making it look as good as
possible with some form of cover which also helps the accuracy?

The temperature the met office reports is the air temperature.
Measuring that without picking up reradiated heat is difficult.
I dare say some google searching might reveal their methods.

I believe you put the sensor in a "screen" (a white painted cupboard
with louvred doors on all sides, on legs) which has to be a certain
height (1 metre?) above mown grass.
--
Tim Mitchell

On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 09:43:06 +0100, Dave Plowman wrote:

Having just installed one with at the moment the probe simply
sticking out of the wall, any tips on the best way of both making it
look as good as possible with some form of cover which also helps
the accuracy?

A Stephenson screen at the corfect distance from the mown grass and
other objects would get you close to the Met Office readings but it is
generally accepted that they can overread by a couple of degrees C
under certain conditions (basically sunny and still).

My AWS external temperature probe is under the exteneded northfacing
gable eave of the shed roof. Inside it's white plastic shield, it's
good enough for my use, though will over read due to the hot air
coming off the adjacent shed roof.

If the wall your probe is sticking out off is north facing, try and
get the sensor a foot or so from the wall enclosed in something that
will keep direct sunlight of it but still allow free flow of air. I
used an 8" length of 40mm white waste pipe mounted vertically and the
sensor in the middle for a while. That produced acceptable results on
a east facing wall.

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On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 13:11:38 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

A Stephenson screen at the corfect distance from the mown grass and
other objects would get you close to the Met Office readings but it is
generally accepted that they can overread by a couple of degrees C
under certain conditions (basically sunny and still).

Trying to get my head around this; we are saying that the Met Office
can be a couple of degrees higher than reality?

And how would we know that?

And assuming we do know that, then why wouldn't the Met Office use the
same method used to determine the (correct) temp, which we used to
decide the Met Office is wrong, and then they too would end up with
the correct temp?

mystified

I don't doubt it's as you say, but can't think of a reason it is
allowed to continue, given there must be an alternative (or we could
not know there is an error!).

Take Care,
Gnube
{too thick for linux}

"Dave Baker" wrote in message
...
1am
Outside - 21.5c (71F)
Downstairs - 26c (79F)
Upstairs - not going back up there again after last time.

move to Cornwall - haven't seen the sun for 3 days !
bit humid daytime but nights quite pleasant

Dave Baker wrote:

According to the trusty fridge thermometer

10pm

Outside - 25c (77F)
Downstairs with all the windows open - 27c (81F)
Upstairs to where all the heat has riz - 31c (88F)

1am
Outside - 21.5c (71F)
Downstairs - 26c (79F)
Upstairs - not going back up there again after last time.

Trouble is, with the windows open there are now more moths inside the bloody
house than outside I think. I need a bat.


Here's a tip; sleep outdoors.

Yesterday I bought a sunlonger[1] and last night I slept outside on the
patio (well, the sunlounger was on the patio, I was on the sunlounger
;-) ) wearing nowt but a pair of shorts[2]; woke up at ~06:30 and it was
a tad nippy so went to bed as the bedroom had now cooled down (thanks to
SWMBO sleeping with the windows wide open).

I can see the sunlounger on the patio beckoning me as I type :-)

Sweet dreams.

[1] Initially went to Homebase who had decided that the hottest week in
the year (potentially the hottest since records began) would be a good
time to re-arrange the store, so all the outdoor stuff was piled in a
heap where it was impossible to find anything. Went to Focus instead.

[2] *NO!* I *don't* have a webcam ;-)



Dave Baker - Puma Race Engines (www.pumaracing.co.uk)
I'm not at all sure why women like men. We're argumentative, childish,
unsociable and extremely unappealing naked. I'm quite grateful they do though.

parish parish_AT_ntlworld.com wrote in message t...
Dave Baker wrote:

Downstairs with all the windows open - 27c (81F)
Upstairs to where all the heat has riz - 31c (88F)


Just what did the temp hit yesterday? It was 30C indoors, and I know
outside was much hotter.... just how hot is hell?

Regards, NT

N. Thornton wrote:
parish parish_AT_ntlworld.com wrote in message
t...
Dave Baker wrote:

Downstairs with all the windows open - 27c (81F)
Upstairs to where all the heat has riz - 31c (88F)

Just what did the temp hit yesterday? It was 30C indoors, and I know
outside was much hotter.... just how hot is hell?
That's easy 50 degs. I worked Mar/Oct of 2001 in Kuwait 50 was not unusual
in the middle of summer, but then it always summed there. Kuwait is the
hottest permanently inhabited place on earth, so I have been informed.


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Dave Baker wrote in message
...
According to the trusty fridge thermometer

10pm

Outside - 25c (77F)
Downstairs with all the windows open - 27c (81F)
Upstairs to where all the heat has riz - 31c (88F)

1am
Outside - 21.5c (71F)
Downstairs - 26c (79F)
Upstairs - not going back up there again after last time.

In my dad's gaff, a couple of rooms are like one of those old night storage
heaters. The (south-facing!) bricks heat up and it's like an oven in there
for at least 3 hours after everyone else's place has cooled down a few
degrees.

"Dave Baker" wrote in message
...
According to the trusty fridge thermometer

10pm

Outside - 25c (77F)
Downstairs with all the windows open - 27c (81F)
Upstairs to where all the heat has riz - 31c (88F)

1am
Outside - 21.5c (71F)
Downstairs - 26c (79F)
Upstairs - not going back up there again after last time.

Trouble is, with the windows open there are now more moths inside the
bloody
house than outside I think. I need a bat.


We've been feeling pretty smug about the decision to fit ceiling fans in the
bedrooms a couple of years ago...


cheers
Richard

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richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk

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RichardS We've been feeling pretty smug about the decision to fit
RichardS ceiling fans in the bedrooms a couple of years ago...

One of the best bits of work I ever did.

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"RichardS" noaccess@invalid wrote in message ...

We've been feeling pretty smug about the decision to fit ceiling fans in the
bedrooms a couple of years ago...

Hi

Us too. Extremely good value to fit and run c.f. a/c.

IanC

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Dave Baker wrote:
Trouble is, with the windows open there are now more moths inside the
bloody house than outside I think. I need a bat.

Be easier to hit them with a fly whisk.

I bought a rather nice mains LED thermometer off eBay for a couple of quid
- it's ex equipment by Digitron. Installed it in the kitchen above the
built in amplifier and drilled a hole in the outside wall for the probe.
It was hovering around 35 all day, so I suppose it's pretty accurate.
Still reading 22 even at this time. Of course it didn't occur to me until
it was fitted and fired up that you don't really need a four figure
display for the weather - yet. Wonder if I can alter it to read two digits
and oC?

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RIP Acorn

On 07 Aug 2003 00:04:02 GMT, a (Dave Baker) wrote:

Trouble is, with the windows open there are now more moths inside the bloody
house than outside I think. I need a bat.

Get one of those camping lamps which attract flying things and stick
it on a pole in the garden.

It won't stop the moths coming in the house but you will get a certain
amount of satisfaction from hearing the pops as his brothers and
sisters get fried out in the garden.

Andrew

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Andrew McKay wrote:
On 07 Aug 2003 00:04:02 GMT, a (Dave Baker) wrote:

Trouble is, with the windows open there are now more moths inside the bloody
house than outside I think. I need a bat.

Get one of those camping lamps which attract flying things and stick
it on a pole in the garden.

It won't stop the moths coming in the house but you will get a certain
amount of satisfaction from hearing the pops as his brothers and
sisters get fried out in the garden.

Very ecological!

Many moths do us far more good than harm, the cinnabar moth for
example is an excellent biological controller of ragwort which is a
distinctly noxious weed. I'm sure there are innumerable other 'good'
moths, the cinnabar moth is just one I know about.

Not to mention that many moths are very beautiful.

--
Chris Green )

Andrew McKay wrote:

On 07 Aug 2003 00:04:02 GMT, a (Dave Baker) wrote:

Trouble is, with the windows open there are now more moths inside the bloody
house than outside I think. I need a bat.

Get one of those camping lamps which attract flying things and stick
it on a pole in the garden.

It won't stop the moths coming in the house but you will get a certain
amount of satisfaction from hearing the pops as his brothers and
sisters get fried out in the garden.

Or do what I did - install screens on the windows. Lots of air, no bugs.
Simple.