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writes I know lots of tradesmen, I come in contact with them regularly and many swear by Kress (Wickes). The woodworkers and kitchen fitters tend top go for Makita, DeWalt and Trend. They are a frightened to change from those makes even though many will tell you they have to get them repaired more often than what they would like too. This depends where you are situated though John, the tradesmen around here have not even heard of Wickes (the nearest one is about 40 miles away) and I have certainly not seen Kress on the sites that I visit -- David |
Kaiser wrote: Why do you keep changing my name, one minute its Mr Cheese, then Mt Cheese and now Mr Chesse? His spelling is "unique" ( maybe it changes with the weather?). Regards Capitol |
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Doctor Evil wrote: The tosh continues.... BMC - basically the amalgamation between Austin and the Nuffield group took place in the early '50s. So you have no idea about history - as everything else? And I thought you could at least do a search. Get a life. -- *To be intoxicated is to feel sophisticated, but not be able to say it. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
wrote in message ... In article , Doctor Evil writes I know lots of tradesmen, I come in contact with them regularly and many swear by Kress (Wickes). The woodworkers and kitchen fitters tend top go for Makita, DeWalt and Trend. They are a frightened to change from those makes even though many will tell you they have to get them repaired more often than what they would like too. This depends where you are situated though John, the tradesmen around here have not even heard of Wickes (the nearest one is about 40 miles away) and I have certainly not seen Kress on the sites that I visit Bertie, I saw one maintenance plumber with a cheapo grey PP battery drill. He did the problems on new homes after hand over. The walls were all lightweight block, so a powerful hammer he didn't need. He was delighted with it as it cost only few quid and did the job well. Kress were sold by BMJ Power who went belly up. They were also B&D dealers who did service on a number of makes, inc Bosch if I recall. They had outlets all over the country. Kress in the UK is now limited to Wickes re-badges, unless someone else has come in with a dealership. I know Kress were looking for a UK dealer for the Kress brand. They have a great swivelling chuck drill that converts to an angle drill, but not available in the UK as Kress are dealerless. http://www.kress-elektrik.de/en/prod...?categorie=443 They shift so much stuff through Wickes it is probably not worth getting involved with another dealer who might go belly up too. The sheds rule. The sheds saw off BMJ Power, who had some great guaranteed re-conn deals of Kress, Bosch, DeWalt, etc. I still have a 25 year old re-con B&D hammer drill from BMJ that is still going. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
"Capitol" wrote in message ... Kaiser wrote: Why do you keep changing my name, one minute its Mr Cheese, then Mt Cheese and now Mr Chesse? His spelling is "unique" No, my spelling is cheese not unique. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
John Rumm wrote: The greater the inertia of the projectile, the more energy you are likely to lose at the point of impact (noise, heat, vibration, deformation of the components etc), and the less forward velocity you will impart on it. The more vibration etc, the more energy dissipated into the operator which is both inefficient and fatiguing. The reasoning is a bit cockeyed here. The reason you don't want a drill chuck, is because the drill chuck mechanism cannot handle the high impact loads without the jaws of the chuck slipping and the chuck mechanism being damaged. The energy imparted to the tip of the drill bit in a normal chuck, will to a first approximation, be the same. This is why SDS drill chucks are specifically barred from impact usage. Regards Capitol |
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wrote: Dave, Andy may be better informed about some things than John. It doesn't mean he's always right, it doesn't mean he should never be criticised, and it doesn't give him the right to hector others in that condescending way. Mike - do a Google on these two. The resident fool - Adam, IMM, Dr Evil etc - real name John - trys to be top dog on everything in this group and fails miserably. He *claims* to be a pro and therefore better than all others, but fails at nearly every jump. Which is sad, because he has a fairly comprehensive knowledge of many central heating products gleaned from extensive web site and advertising research. Ie, he reads and quotes catalogues. In that, he is a pro. Pity he couldn't just stick to that, as he'd have the respect of others for this application. But when others give chapter and verse on practical applications of products of which he has absolutely no clue, he resorts to insults. With the language of an idiot. A quick search will give you the full story - if you have some basic knowledge. -- *I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Mark wrote: The more difficult - ie harder types of concrete or masonry will laugh at a hammer drill and masonry bit - you need SDS. Hmm perhaps you would like to explain to anyone still interested in this thread from a technical point of view, why this is so ? I'd go back to watching Playschool if I were you. -- *OK, who stopped payment on my reality check? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Doctor Evil wrote: The tosh continues.... BMC - basically the amalgamation between Austin and the Nuffield group took place in the early '50s. More tosh... So you have no idea about history - as everything else? And I thought you could at least do a search. ...and more tosh again.... Get a life. ...sad isn't it.. Very sad. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
Andy wrote;
Panasonic has very good battery technology which may be important if the maximum activity between charges is the primary consideration. On the other hand, the motor control is not quite as good as that of Makita. Therefore, on balance, I prefer Makita's offering, but it is not based on price. What a ****! Does this make the slightest bit of difference to anyone! Do you spell anal retentive with a hyphen or not? Dave |
Capitol wrote:
The reasoning is a bit cockeyed here. The reason you don't want a drill chuck, is because the drill chuck mechanism cannot handle the high impact loads without the jaws of the chuck slipping and the chuck mechanism being damaged. The energy imparted to the tip of the drill bit in a normal chuck, will to a first approximation, be the same. This is why SDS drill chucks are specifically barred from impact usage. This is very true, I was not attempting to suggest you _could_ even use a conventional chuck, for just the reasons you cite. However if you could and were to increase the effective mass of the bit by a factor of (at least) five, you will also increase energy losses at the point of transfer. You are going to get those losses at some point in the system, so better they are at the drill to wall interface. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
On 3 Mar 2005 15:56:44 -0800, "Magician"
wrote: Andy wrote; Panasonic has very good battery technology which may be important if the maximum activity between charges is the primary consideration. On the other hand, the motor control is not quite as good as that of Makita. Therefore, on balance, I prefer Makita's offering, but it is not based on price. What a ****! You certainly seem to be, when you make remarks like that...... Does this make the slightest bit of difference to anyone! To somebody selecting between these two manufacturers it might well. -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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Magician writes Andy wrote; Panasonic has very good battery technology which may be important if the maximum activity between charges is the primary consideration. On the other hand, the motor control is not quite as good as that of Makita. Therefore, on balance, I prefer Makita's offering, but it is not based on price. What a ****! Does this make the slightest bit of difference to anyone! Obviously not to you, which says it all really... -- David |
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writes wrote in message .. . In article , Doctor Evil writes I know lots of tradesmen, I come in contact with them regularly and many swear by Kress (Wickes). The woodworkers and kitchen fitters tend top go for Makita, DeWalt and Trend. They are a frightened to change from those makes even though many will tell you they have to get them repaired more often than what they would like too. This depends where you are situated though John, the tradesmen around here have not even heard of Wickes (the nearest one is about 40 miles away) and I have certainly not seen Kress on the sites that I visit Bertie, I saw one maintenance plumber with a cheapo grey PP battery drill. He did the problems on new homes after hand over. The walls were all lightweight block, so a powerful hammer he didn't need. He was delighted with it as it cost only few quid and did the job well. I thought this was the case, you are talking about plumbers who probably aren't that bothered about the power tools that they use at all, they probably think more about the tools specific to plumbing like benders, cutters etc than they do about a drill. The trades that depend on decent power tools to give accuracy, performance and reliability will pay out more and get quality gear. Kress were sold by BMJ Power who went belly up. They were also B&D dealers who did service on a number of makes, inc Bosch if I recall. They had outlets all over the country. Kress in the UK is now limited to Wickes re-badges, unless someone else has come in with a dealership. I know Kress were looking for a UK dealer for the Kress brand. They have a great swivelling chuck drill that converts to an angle drill, but not available in the UK as Kress are dealerless. http://www.kress-elektrik.de/en/prod...?categorie=443 They shift so much stuff through Wickes it is probably not worth getting involved with another dealer who might go belly up too. The sheds rule. The sheds saw off BMJ Power, who had some great guaranteed re-conn deals of Kress, Bosch, DeWalt, etc. I still have a 25 year old re-con B&D hammer drill from BMJ that is still going. I suspect Kress just did a deal with Wickes (as I did in the past) -- David |
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On 3 Mar 2005 15:56:44 -0800, "Magician" wrote: Andy wrote; Panasonic has very good battery technology which may be important if the maximum activity between charges is the primary consideration. On the other hand, the motor control is not quite as good as that of Makita. Therefore, on balance, I prefer Makita's offering, but it is not based on price. What a ****! You certainly seem to be, when you make remarks like that...... Of course you would know all about that. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
wrote in message ... In article , Doctor Evil writes wrote in message .. . In article , Doctor Evil writes I know lots of tradesmen, I come in contact with them regularly and many swear by Kress (Wickes). The woodworkers and kitchen fitters tend top go for Makita, DeWalt and Trend. They are a frightened to change from those makes even though many will tell you they have to get them repaired more often than what they would like too. This depends where you are situated though John, the tradesmen around here have not even heard of Wickes (the nearest one is about 40 miles away) and I have certainly not seen Kress on the sites that I visit Bertie, I saw one maintenance plumber with a cheapo grey PP battery drill. He did the problems on new homes after hand over. The walls were all lightweight block, so a powerful hammer he didn't need. He was delighted with it as it cost only few quid and did the job well. I thought this was the case, you are talking about plumbers who probably aren't that bothered about the power tools that they use at all, they probably think more about the tools specific to plumbing like benders, cutters etc than they do about a drill. The trades that depend on decent power tools to give accuracy, performance and reliability will pay out more and get quality gear. Plumbers who work in existing homes care about power tools as it makes life far easier for them. They are forever drilling holes, large and small. On sites the large holes are done for them for the flues, as the brickkies leave a sleeve in the wall. They need to drill paramount boards and block, to mount rads and clips which doesn't even need a hammer dill. This particular maintenance plumber bought the cheapo afer his expensive DeWalt packed up. He had an Hitachi core drill. He knew he didn't need a light drill that can be heavily used and abused day in day out and bought this cheapy for a few quid. If he did required that level of performance he would have to go out buy a drill that can handle that level of usage. Wise man. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
Nobody seems to have considered the fact that tradesmen abuse tools, so pro
ranges are partly designed with this in mind. There is a middle ground where you can spend bugger all on the tool but look after it, and spend some of the money you've saved on new bits etc. Giving the tool less work to do, rather than using it less often, can be a good compromise. I recently watched somebody burn a drill out (and lay himself out with a bad back for several days) all for the sake of a £2 masonry bit. I suspect I could have drilled those holes with a 9V cordless and a bit that wasn't totally rounded off at the tip. I agree with Andy that good tools are easier and more rewarding to use, but I'm also a great believer in having, for example, 2 or 3 drills on the go at once. That way you don't spend half the time looking for bits, and the workload is spread between the tools. |
"Stuart Noble" wrote in message ... I'm also a great believer in having, for example, 2 or 3 drills on the go at once. That way you don't spend half the time looking for bits, and the workload is spread between the tools. That is what I do. Having three £200 drills is very expensive. I find these quick change chucks for drivers and drills very handy and can save having two on the go and just one. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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Mark wrote: So the criteria of a SDS chuck in itself Is irrelevant, otherwise we would never been able to drill a hole in hard masonry before its invention. DIY wise, you used a Rawltool and a heavy hammer Obviously (before im corrected) if you increase the percussion energy beyond a certain point, a drill bit in a 3jaw chuck will slip and rotate, but SDS does not define the suitability of the drill for the job. In practice, it does. -- *Oh, what a tangled website we weave when first we practice * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Tony Bryer wrote: BMC - basically the amalgamation between Austin and the Nuffield group took place in the early '50s. Manufacturing yes. Dealerships no. snip I'm not arguing that point as you're right. Just trying to correct IMM's usual inaccurate account of history. -- *Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Doctor Evil wrote: Not at all. You buy the tool to suit the job. Buying a £100 Makita to sit in the cupboard all year is a really silly idea. As is buying any cordless drill for this - because when you take it out to use it the battery will be flat. Better to have a 10 quid mains drill and an extension lying around - you'll be up and running to drill that once a year hole much quicker. An other example of John not understanding DIY. -- *Xerox and Wurlitzer will merge to market reproductive organs. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Doctor Evil wrote: BMC - basically the amalgamation between Austin and the Nuffield group took place in the early '50s. More tosh... Ok, prat. Give chapter and verse on the formation of BMC. As if... -- *Eschew obfuscation * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Doctor Evil wrote: This particular maintenance plumber bought the cheapo afer his expensive DeWalt packed up. He had an Hitachi core drill. He knew he didn't need a light drill that can be heavily used and abused day in day out and bought this cheapy for a few quid. If he did required that level of performance he would have to go out buy a drill that can handle that level of usage. Wise man. You must work in an industry where time and efficiency just don't matter. But of course we knew that, since you don't work in any industry at all. Over the past few weeks we've had many freelance chippies on a 'film' location, and not one has arrived with anything other than a pro quality cordless drill. With Makita being the favourite. Of course, they have to earn their living by their work - not by quoting maker's specs gleaned from websites. Go figure. -- *Nostalgia isn't what is used to be. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Doctor Evil wrote: BMC - basically the amalgamation between Austin and the Nuffield group took place in the early '50s. More tosh... Ok, prat. Give chapter and verse on the formation of BMC. As if... Richard, who cares it was crap and rightly disappeared. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
"Pete C" wrote in message ... On 3 Mar 2005 03:37:15 -0800, (timegoesby) wrote: wrote in message oups.com... snip great post If only more of IMM's posts were like that he wouldn't get so much stick. That wasn't IMMs post. Have you been taking Plowman pills? He's sometimes a very good source of ideas and information but not advice, as he often recommmends his ideas to be best in all circumstances to the point of absurdity. His ideas are the best. He said so. Then when people disagree he drags them into an argument with his trademark childish abuse. You can't allow loonies suggest nonsense. The only reason he changed his name is because he ...... .....is now Doctor Evil. Cor! Can't you see that. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Tony Bryer wrote: BMC - basically the amalgamation between Austin and the Nuffield group took place in the early '50s. Manufacturing yes. Dealerships no. snip I'm not arguing that point as you're right. Just trying to correct IMM's usual inaccurate account of history. Doctor Evil knows more about history than anyone else. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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Doctor Evil wrote: BMC - basically the amalgamation between Austin and the Nuffield group took place in the early '50s. More tosh... Ok, prat. Give chapter and verse on the formation of BMC. As if... Richard, who cares it was crap and rightly disappeared. Wonder who Richard is, John? But you brought up BMC. Merely trying to put the record straight for anyone who is interested. Which tends to have to happen with most of your posts. Strange, really, considering they are just regurgitations of websites. Perhaps you need to read them more carefully. -- *Growing old is inevitable, growing up is optional Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Doctor Evil wrote: The only reason he changed his name is because he ...... ....is now Doctor Evil. Cor! Can't you see that. Strange that you're the only regular poster on here who needs to morph every few years? Changing identities has long been a habit of the criminal classes. What have you been up to? -- *Why do the two "sanction"s (noun and verb) mean opposites?* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Doctor Evil wrote: I'm not arguing that point as you're right. Just trying to correct IMM's usual inaccurate account of history. Doctor Evil knows more about history than anyone else. Thought you might have turned over a new leaf with your new identity? Otherwise, why bother? Hint. To think you know more about *anything* than anyone else makes you some sort of fanatic. So nothing has changed. -- *How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Doctor Evil wrote: BMC - basically the amalgamation between Austin and the Nuffield group took place in the early '50s. More tosh... Ok, prat. Give chapter and verse on the formation of BMC. As if... Richard, who cares it was crap and rightly disappeared. Wonder who Richard is, John? Mr Cranium, you must stop this. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Doctor Evil wrote: The only reason he changed his name is because he ...... ....is now Doctor Evil. Cor! Can't you see that. Strange that you're the only regular poster on here who needs to morph every few years? Changing identities has long been a habit of the criminal classes. What have you been up to? Cor! It is obvious I am an secret agent and I have to keep the IMM identity secure. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Doctor Evil wrote: I'm not arguing that point as you're right. Just trying to correct IMM's usual inaccurate account of history. Doctor Evil knows more about history than anyone else. Thought you might have turned over a new leaf with your new identity? Otherwise, why bother? Hint. To think you know more about *anything* than anyone else makes you some sort of fanatic. So nothing has changed. No. I have fanatics following me, called fans for short. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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