Hi,

We're planning to replace the crappy old 13A conventional oven in our
kitchen, but would prefer not to go through the upheaval of having a
dedicated 30A circuit fitted.

Has anyone got any experience of 13 A fan ovens (e.g. Smeg S399XPZ6)? How
do they compare to 30 A fan ovens? Any recommendations (positive or
negative!)?

Thanks in advance...

Cheers,
Alister.

"Alister Whitford" wrote in message
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Hi,

We're planning to replace the crappy old 13A conventional oven in our
kitchen, but would prefer not to go through the upheaval of having a
dedicated 30A circuit fitted.

Has anyone got any experience of 13 A fan ovens (e.g. Smeg S399XPZ6)? How
do they compare to 30 A fan ovens? Any recommendations (positive or
negative!)?

I believe they are now almost the "norm" - I fitted a 13amp double Stoves
fan oven in our last house and it worked a treat. Quicker than the 13 amp
Neff fan oven it replaced.

"Doctor D" wrote in message
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"Alister Whitford" wrote in message
. ..
Hi,

We're planning to replace the crappy old 13A conventional oven in our
kitchen, but would prefer not to go through the upheaval of having a
dedicated 30A circuit fitted.

Has anyone got any experience of 13 A fan ovens (e.g. Smeg S399XPZ6)?
How
do they compare to 30 A fan ovens? Any recommendations (positive or
negative!)?

I believe they are now almost the "norm" - I fitted a 13amp double Stoves
fan oven in our last house and it worked a treat. Quicker than the 13 amp
Neff fan oven it replaced.



Seconeded, I have a Seimens and it works fine

Thanks for the info - interested to see that Baumatic comes highly
recommended as they always seem quite reasonably priced!

What is it about them that makes them stand out over the other makes you
mention?

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
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Alister Whitford wrote:

Has anyone got any experience of 13 A fan ovens (e.g. Smeg S399XPZ6)?
How
do they compare to 30 A fan ovens? Any recommendations (positive or
negative!)?

The Baumatic oven we have would be a 13A unit if it wasn't for the fact
that erindoors decided to go for a double-width, two oven unit. Possibly
the best electric oven we have had in recent years (we've used several -
NEFF, Gaggenau, Bosch, Smeg and most recently Candy.)

If I can find out what the hell Baumatic call themselves in Italy, we
will probably buy another four of these later this year.

Anyroad up, the 13A fan oven works perfectly.

--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

"Doctor D" wrote in message
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"Alister Whitford" wrote in message
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Hi,

We're planning to replace the crappy old 13A conventional oven in our
kitchen, but would prefer not to go through the upheaval of having a
dedicated 30A circuit fitted.

Has anyone got any experience of 13 A fan ovens (e.g. Smeg S399XPZ6)?
How
do they compare to 30 A fan ovens? Any recommendations (positive or
negative!)?

I believe they are now almost the "norm" - I fitted a 13amp double Stoves
fan oven in our last house and it worked a treat. Quicker than the 13 amp
Neff fan oven it replaced.

I notice from our Neff manual that everywhere other than UK and Australia
the fan over comes with a fitted plug anyway.

Thanks, Steve - an in-depth review! We're strongly considering Baumatic, so
this was extremely helpful...

Cheers,
Alister.

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
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They seem to be as well constructed as any of those makes, depending on
model they offer a variety of installations (e.g. same cooker can be
used with legs or fitted with a plinth) and they offer a modular range
so that you can construct your own cooker choosing the width/hob that
you like. Erindoors wanted a non-standard 1200mm wide unit with two
ovens one with a rotisserie. I can't recall the bit of the catalogue
that covers it, but it was buy a frame, add two ovens, specify hob get
an oversized cooker. All at a much lower price than the previous stuff.
Build quality reminds me of the Bosch or Gaggenau, possibly Smeg as
well. The only regret is that if we had waited a couple of months longer
the design change to larger knobs would have happened and I prefer
those. The ones on ours are "keys" rather like the NEFF and I don't like
them much.

Dealing with Baumatic themselves has been fine. We bought the cooker
from an on-line dealer at a discount of about 30% from the catalogue
price. It was delivered direct by Baumatic who took care to phone us and
check when would be a good time to send it to us. Later we bought a
cooker hood from a local dealer in Andover, cash and carry. When I got
it home the flange that connects the hood to the vent tube was split,
apparently by a ham-fisted twerp at the shop. I called Baumatic and they
posted the entire installation kit to me FoC and it was here the next
day. I contrast that with the interminable mucking about I've had with
other makes who work via local installers none of whom seem keen to do
any work at all.

--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

In article ,
"Mike" writes:

I notice from our Neff manual that everywhere other than UK and Australia
the fan over comes with a fitted plug anyway.

Sounds like it's 3kW and =3.5kW.
3.5kW is the socket power limit in much of the rest of Europe.
Just pity the poor old Americans with their 1.8kW, which means
they don't even have many combination microwaves ;-)

--
Andrew Gabriel

Steve Firth wrote:
Alister Whitford wrote:


Thanks, Steve - an in-depth review! We're strongly considering Baumatic, so
this was extremely helpful...

Shop around if you decide to buy one. The price varies immensely. For
one unit we were interested in the price varied between £600 (ish) and
£1200.

FYI I did the rounds for a Baumatic (only a single oven tho) quite
recently and ended up buying one from the the cheapest outlet I found,
which was https://www.applianceplanet.co.uk/ No problems.

David

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
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I notice from our Neff manual that everywhere other than UK and
Australia
the fan over comes with a fitted plug anyway.

Sounds like it's 3kW and =3.5kW.
3.5kW is the socket power limit in much of the rest of Europe.
Just pity the poor old Americans with their 1.8kW, which means
they don't even have many combination microwaves ;-)


I thought that used two phases to overcome this ?

In article ,
"Mike" writes:

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...

I notice from our Neff manual that everywhere other than UK and
Australia
the fan over comes with a fitted plug anyway.

Sounds like it's 3kW and =3.5kW.
3.5kW is the socket power limit in much of the rest of Europe.
Just pity the poor old Americans with their 1.8kW, which means

Actually, I'm not sure individual US appliances are allowed to
use the full 1.8kW -- I have 1.4kW max at the back of my mind,
but I might be wrong.

they don't even have many combination microwaves ;-)

I thought that used two phases to overcome this ?

They do, but you typically get only one such socket in the
house, for the cooker, and I don't think they are allowed for
movable things like free-standing microwaves. Basically, if
you go and look round a US store for their range of free standing
combination microwaves, you'll find they have none as no one
can take them home and plug them in. (Another issue is that
there are several different types of 120-0-120V sockets in use.)

Actually even other appliances like are sometimes lower power
rating over there due to this. My 1400W UK Dyson becomes a
10A (1200W) US Dyson (they seem to like quoting vacuum cleaner
power in amps;-).

--
Andrew Gabriel

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

They do, but you typically get only one such socket in the
house, for the cooker, and I don't think they are allowed for
movable things like free-standing microwaves.

From personal observation, I'd say it's not unusual to have one for the
cooker, one for an air-conditioner, and one for a tumble-dryer.

Sheila

From personal observation, I'd say it's not unusual to have one for the
cooker, one for an air-conditioner, and one for a tumble-dryer.

And their washing machines and dishwashers can't have heating elements. They
rely on hot water from the tap, so you have to run off water until it gets
hot before starting the machine and can't use timers, unless you want a cold
wash.

Christian.

Christian McArdle wrote:

? From personal observation, I'd say it's not unusual to have one for the
? cooker, one for an air-conditioner, and one for a tumble-dryer.

And their washing machines and dishwashers can't have heating elements. They
rely on hot water from the tap, so you have to run off water until it gets
hot before starting the machine and can't use timers, unless you want a cold
wash.

Generally true, but there are a few newer, higher-end dishwashers which
_do_ have heating elements and timers. The heating element is designed as
a 'booster', to make sure that the temperature is adequate, and the machine
is plumbed into the hot-water line.

Sheila

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
.. .
Alister Whitford wrote:

Thanks for the info - interested to see that Baumatic comes highly
recommended as they always seem quite reasonably priced!

What is it about them that makes them stand out over the other makes you
mention?

They seem to be as well constructed as any of those makes, depending on
model they offer a variety of installations (e.g. same cooker can be
used with legs or fitted with a plinth) and they offer a modular range
so that you can construct your own cooker choosing the width/hob that
you like. Erindoors wanted a non-standard 1200mm wide unit with two
ovens one with a rotisserie. I can't recall the bit of the catalogue
that covers it, but it was buy a frame, add two ovens, specify hob get
an oversized cooker. All at a much lower price than the previous stuff.
Build quality reminds me of the Bosch or Gaggenau, possibly Smeg as
well. The only regret is that if we had waited a couple of months longer
the design change to larger knobs would have happened and I prefer
those. The ones on ours are "keys" rather like the NEFF and I don't like
them much.

Dealing with Baumatic themselves has been fine. We bought the cooker
from an on-line dealer at a discount of about 30% from the catalogue
price. It was delivered direct by Baumatic who took care to phone us and
check when would be a good time to send it to us. Later we bought a
cooker hood from a local dealer in Andover, cash and carry. When I got
it home the flange that connects the hood to the vent tube was split,
apparently by a ham-fisted twerp at the shop. I called Baumatic and they
posted the entire installation kit to me FoC and it was here the next
day. I contrast that with the interminable mucking about I've had with
other makes who work via local installers none of whom seem keen to do
any work at all.

--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

Get your fan oven element on order fitted 10 this week all under guarantee.

Peter