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Part P over and out ...
I smile in the face of part P!
Today I replaced my 30+ year-old Wylex fusebox with a nice new 12-way MK split load consumer unit & RCD/MCBs. Initially I wasn't sure there was going to be enough "slack" at the end of all the circuits but by careful positioning of the MCBs it turned out fine. Got to re-wire the DC side of the doorbell with 1mm T+E as it was only using bellwire before, with the transformer just shoved behind the busbar! Not even cutting it fine, 9 hours to spare, though it was a bit dingy connecting up the new meter tails by torchlight ;-) Anyone else been at it? |
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On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:29:06 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:
I smile in the face of part P! Not even cutting it fine, 9 hours to spare, though it was a bit dingy connecting up the new meter tails by torchlight ;-) Anyone else been at it? Doing a outside light on Mon for a friend, on going as far as I am concerned as we have talked about it for months and she now wants it up pdq. Will be installed to 16th Edition req. Dave -- Some people use windows, others have a life. |
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Dave Stanton wrote:
Doing a outside light on Mon for a friend, on going as far as I am concerned as we have talked about it for months I couldn't find any hard and fast reference to allowing completion of "in progress" work by April 2005 so decided to have a productive December 31st for a change. I suppose I meant ELV instead of DC when referring to the doorbell too. Anyone got any remedy to suppress the hoarding instinct? I keep thinking I'll stick the old Wylex in the attic "just in case" :-( |
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"Andy Burns" wrote
| I couldn't find any hard and fast reference to allowing completion of | "in progress" work by April 2005 ... | Anyone got any remedy to suppress the hoarding instinct? I keep | thinking I'll stick the old Wylex in the attic "just in case" :-( Put it in the garage or shed before midnight. You'll have then 'started' an installation there and have another three months if you want to rewire the garage. Owain |
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On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 21:22:55 -0000, "Owain"
wrote: "Andy Burns" wrote | I couldn't find any hard and fast reference to allowing completion of | "in progress" work by April 2005 ... | Anyone got any remedy to suppress the hoarding instinct? I keep | thinking I'll stick the old Wylex in the attic "just in case" :-( Put it in the garage or shed before midnight. You'll have then 'started' an installation there and have another three months if you want to rewire the garage. The garage isn't a problem as long as it isn't a dwelling. (all right, I suppose you could argue that the car might (but it's very unlikely) dwell there)... Best wishes to all for 2005. -- Frank Erskine |
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On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:00:32 +0000 (UTC), Frank Erskine
wrote: On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 21:22:55 -0000, "Owain" wrote: "Andy Burns" wrote | I couldn't find any hard and fast reference to allowing completion of | "in progress" work by April 2005 ... | Anyone got any remedy to suppress the hoarding instinct? I keep | thinking I'll stick the old Wylex in the attic "just in case" :-( Put it in the garage or shed before midnight. You'll have then 'started' an installation there and have another three months if you want to rewire the garage. The garage isn't a problem as long as it isn't a dwelling. I'm afraid that garages and outbuildings are included, Frank, if the supply is fed from a dwelling. Take a look at http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si2004/20043210.htm and then Schedule 1 P1 (c) (all right, I suppose you could argue that the car might (but it's very unlikely) dwell there)... Best wishes to all for 2005. Happy New Year, also..... -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Andy Burns wrote: I smile in the face of part P! Today I replaced my 30+ year-old Wylex fusebox with a nice new 12-way MK split load consumer unit & RCD/MCBs. Initially I wasn't sure there was going to be enough "slack" at the end of all the circuits but by careful positioning of the MCBs it turned out fine. Got to re-wire the DC side of the doorbell with 1mm T+E as it was only using bellwire before, with the transformer just shoved behind the busbar! Not even cutting it fine, 9 hours to spare, though it was a bit dingy connecting up the new meter tails by torchlight ;-) Anyone else been at it? No, but suppose you had waited until tomorrow, or the next day or week/month. Who would have been able to prooove when you did it?! -- Cheers, Set Square ______ Please reply to newsgroup. Reply address is invalid. |
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Set Square wrote:
No, but suppose you had waited until tomorrow, or the next day or week/month. Who would have been able to prooove when you did it?! Surely they imprint timestamps on the photos taken by the black helicopters? I know what you mean though ... |
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"Andy Burns" wrote in message ... I smile in the face of part P! Today I replaced my 30+ year-old Wylex fusebox with a nice new 12-way MK split load consumer unit & RCD/MCBs. Initially I wasn't sure there was going to be enough "slack" at the end of all the circuits but by careful positioning of the MCBs it turned out fine. Got to re-wire the DC side of the doorbell with 1mm T+E as it was only using bellwire before, with the transformer just shoved behind the busbar! Not even cutting it fine, 9 hours to spare, though it was a bit dingy connecting up the new meter tails by torchlight ;-) Anyone else been at it? Yep, finished off a new cooker, hob & hood plus shaver socket in bathroom ;-) |
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TonyK wrote:
Anyone else been at it? Yep, finished off a new cooker, hob & hood plus shaver socket in bathroom ;-) That's an interesting bathroom layout...... |
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"James Hart" wrote in message ... TonyK wrote: Anyone else been at it? Yep, finished off a new cooker, hob & hood plus shaver socket in bathroom ;-) That's an interesting bathroom layout...... It's okay, the hobs not in Zone 1 ;-) |
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On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 20:21:00 +0000, James Hart wrote:
TonyK wrote: Anyone else been at it? Yep, finished off a new cooker, hob & hood plus shaver socket in bathroom ;-) That's an interesting bathroom layout...... He can watch the bacon and eggs while he's showering !! Dave -- Some people use windows, others have a life. |
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"Dave Stanton" wrote
| James Hart wrote: | TonyK wrote: | Yep, finished off a new cooker, hob & hood plus shaver socket in | bathroom ;-) | That's an interesting bathroom layout...... | He can watch the bacon and eggs while he's showering !! Better be careful he doesn't burn his chipolata ... Owain |
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In message , James Hart
writes TonyK wrote: Anyone else been at it? Yep, finished off a new cooker, hob & hood plus shaver socket in bathroom ;-) That's an interesting bathroom layout...... Maybe he likes to take loooong baths -- geoff |
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In article ,
Andy Burns wrote: Got to re-wire the DC side of the doorbell with 1mm T+E as it was only using bellwire before, with the transformer just shoved behind the busbar! Think 1mm a bit overkill for a doorbell. ;-) Why wasn't the transformer just mounted externally? -- *Xerox and Wurlitzer will merge to market reproductive organs. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Think 1mm a bit overkill for a doorbell. ;-) I'm sure! But I've now replaced it with a DIN rail mounted transformer inside the CU, so the cable out to the bell has to be 240V rated instead of bell-wire and 1mm is what I've got, at least the part inside the CU does, but since it's only one floorboard to replace the whole lot ... Why wasn't the transformer just mounted externally? I don't know, it would have been better that just wedging it inside the fusebox. |
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In article ,
Andy Burns wrote: Think 1mm a bit overkill for a doorbell. ;-) I'm sure! But I've now replaced it with a DIN rail mounted transformer inside the CU, so the cable out to the bell has to be 240V rated instead of bell-wire and 1mm is what I've got, at least the part inside the CU does, but since it's only one floorboard to replace the whole lot ... I was mainly thinking it might be a bit of a squeeze to fit inside the push and bell. But surely you could just have sleeved the bell wire where it passed through the consumer unit? -- *How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I was mainly thinking it might be a bit of a squeeze to fit inside the push and bell. I'm only running 10' of 1mm across the hall to the bell, from the bell to the push can stay as it is ... But surely you could just have sleeved the bell wire where it passed through the consumer unit? I thought about that, then thought it'd look a bit "untidy" where the sleeving ended ... |
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Today I replaced my 30+ year-old Wylex fusebox with a nice new 12-way
MK split load consumer unit & RCD/MCBs. Initially I wasn't sure there was going to be enough "slack" at the end of all the circuits but by careful positioning of the MCBs it turned out fine. Got to re-wire the DC side of the doorbell with 1mm T+E as it was only using bellwire before, with the transformer just shoved behind the busbar! Not even cutting it fine, 9 hours to spare, though it was a bit dingy connecting up the new meter tails by torchlight ;-) Anyone else been at it? what's the hurry... I mean, who's going to know anyway ? I have a cellar to wire, lights and sockets, and an external light but they won't get done till late January (hopefully sooner) afterwhich I'll get the BCO out to check the whole job (the cellar conversion not the electrics), he hasn't been out for a month (and won't until I ask him) so he won't know when the electrics where done (c; LJ |
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In article ,
Andy Burns writes: I smile in the face of part P! Today I replaced my 30+ year-old Wylex fusebox with a nice new 12-way MK split load consumer unit & RCD/MCBs. Initially I wasn't sure there was going to be enough "slack" at the end of all the circuits but by careful positioning of the MCBs it turned out fine. Got to re-wire the DC side of the doorbell with 1mm T+E as it was only using bellwire before, with the transformer just shoved behind the busbar! Not even cutting it fine, 9 hours to spare, though it was a bit dingy connecting up the new meter tails by torchlight ;-) Replaced my cheap SquareD Quickline no-RCD consumer unit with a nice industrial Memshield2 CU with separate RCBO protection for each RCD protected circuit, last Monday. I had bought it a while a go, but hadn't got a round tuit until now. Was over at my parents place for New Year, and rewired their under- cupboard kitchen lights in order to conceal the wiring with about 3 hours to go. Anyone better 3 hours? -- Andrew Gabriel |
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"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message ... In article , Andy Burns writes: I smile in the face of part P! Today I replaced my 30+ year-old Wylex fusebox with a nice new 12-way MK split load consumer unit & RCD/MCBs. Initially I wasn't sure there was going to be enough "slack" at the end of all the circuits but by careful positioning of the MCBs it turned out fine. Got to re-wire the DC side of the doorbell with 1mm T+E as it was only using bellwire before, with the transformer just shoved behind the busbar! Not even cutting it fine, 9 hours to spare, though it was a bit dingy connecting up the new meter tails by torchlight ;-) Replaced my cheap SquareD Quickline no-RCD consumer unit with a nice industrial Memshield2 CU with separate RCBO protection for each RCD protected circuit, last Monday. I had bought it a while a go, but hadn't got a round tuit until now. Was over at my parents place for New Year, and rewired their under- cupboard kitchen lights in order to conceal the wiring with about 3 hours to go. Anyone better 3 hours? I bet wives all over the UK are smiling about part P. All those jobs that have been put off for so long suddenly getting done. They'll be after a part W for gardening next !!!!! :-) |
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On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 23:21:49 +0000, Andy Hall
wrote: The interesting question now is who is going to own up to doing electrical work with no intention of involving officialdom? Sort of like a phoney war really......... Who & how are they going to 'police' the new regs anyway? Will the 'creosote police' be given new powers? |
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Don Spumey wrote:
Who & how are they going to 'police' the new regs anyway? Will the 'creosote police' be given new powers? Neighbourhood snitch line on 0800 7278 733 :-P |
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In message , Andy Hall
writes On 1 Jan 2005 22:53:10 GMT, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote: The interesting question now is who is going to own up to doing electrical work with no intention of involving officialdom? Putting it that way indicates a feeling of guilt, which is obviously lacking in the minds of some of the criminal lawbreakers here which reminds me ... -- geoff |
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On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:29:06 +0000, Andy Burns
strung together this: I smile in the face of part P! I **** in it's tea! Today I replaced my 30+ year-old Wylex fusebox with a nice new 12-way MK split load consumer unit & RCD/MCBs. Initially I wasn't sure there was going to be enough "slack" at the end of all the circuits but by careful positioning of the MCBs it turned out fine. Got to re-wire the DC side of the doorbell with 1mm T+E as it was only using bellwire before, with the transformer just shoved behind the busbar! You've got a DC bell transformer? Where did that come from? Not even cutting it fine, 9 hours to spare, though it was a bit dingy connecting up the new meter tails by torchlight ;-) You get used to it, I can do it in the dark! Anyone else been at it? I was working at someones house 1st fixing the extension at about the time you posted this. I'll also be starting plenty more jobs over the coming months.... -- SJW Please reply to group or use 'usenet' in email subject |
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Lurch wrote:
You've got a DC bell transformer? Where did that come from? I realised that mistake myself and coughed up to it :-) You get used to it, I can do it in the dark! Can you refit the service fuse blind-folder by touch too? Shudder! |
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On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 01:49:39 +0000, Andy Burns
strung together this: Can you refit the service fuse blind-folder by touch too? Shudder! Yep, it's quite easy to find, I light up when I've found it so I can see to put the fuse in! -- SJW Please reply to group or use 'usenet' in email subject |
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"Lurch" wrote in message ... On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 01:49:39 +0000, Andy Burns strung together this: Can you refit the service fuse blind-folder by touch too? Shudder! Yep, it's quite easy to find, I light up when I've found it so I can see to put the fuse in! He's always been a bright spark. :-) It's those glow in the dark fingers of yours, Lurch. |
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On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 04:54:04 GMT, "BigWallop"
strung together this: He's always been a bright spark. :-) It's those glow in the dark fingers of yours, Lurch. ;-) -- SJW Please reply to group or use 'usenet' in email subject |
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In message , Lurch
writes On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 01:49:39 +0000, Andy Burns strung together this: Can you refit the service fuse blind-folder by touch too? Shudder! Yep, it's quite easy to find, I light up when I've found it so I can see to put the fuse in! He works by the light of his smouldering hair -- geoff |
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Andy Burns wrote:
I smile in the face of part P! Spit, surely? :-) Today I replaced my 30+ year-old Wylex fusebox with a nice new 12-way MK split load consumer unit & RCD/MCBs. Initially I wasn't sure there was going to be enough "slack" at the end of all the circuits but by careful positioning of the MCBs it turned out fine. Got to re-wire the DC side of the doorbell with 1mm T+E as it was only using bellwire before, with the transformer just shoved behind the busbar! Not even cutting it fine, 9 hours to spare, though it was a bit dingy connecting up the new meter tails by torchlight ;-) Anyone else been at it? I did a similar job the Thursday before Christmas. I was amazed at how easy it was, and how long I'd been putting it off! The nice new Wylex CU was a joy to wire, and pulling the main fuse was a doddle. Mr Prescott may believe our house was safer with 12 circuits on 6 fuses, inadequate earthing, no RCD protection or interlinked mains smoke alarms, but I beg to differ! Cheers, David. |
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On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:28:34 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote: I asked powergen who said not us, see e.on/Central Networks I asked e.on/Central Networks who said not us, see powergen so didn't feel too guilty, bit apprehensive, needn't have worried. I feel a bit strongly about all this. The people you pay for your electricity supply should be the ones who take an interest in supply failures, metering, fusing and so on, but they all simply palm you off on to your REC, who of course WERE usually your original "leccy board", supplying and selling power. Once upon a time, if you wanted a beefier supply to your premises you would contact your "leccy board". On the grounds that you would likely be using more electricity they would usually grant your wishes free of charge. Nowadays, since you're buying your power from somebody completely different, the REC will charge a "commercial" fee. We're talking several thousand pounds... I'm finding this out trying to get a much bigger supply to an amateur theatre with which I'm involved. -- Frank Erskine Sunderland |
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Frank Erskine wrote:
I feel a bit strongly about all this. The people you pay for your electricity supply should be the ones who take an interest in supply failures, metering, fusing and so on, but they all simply palm you off on to your REC Plenty of people (here, various forums and real life) just say pull the fuse yourself and get on with it, I thought I'd attempt proper routes first. Spent ages on phone to supplier getting passed from callcentre to dept to dept, eventually referred to REC (or whatever the correct term is now) Tried phoning REC, was referred to their webste, sent them an email, asking if they would authorise me to do it and then they visit to re-seal, or quote a price for them to fit an isolator, got no reply for a week, when I did get a reply it was in the post rather than by email, please contact your supplier. So i pulled the fuse myself and got on with it ... |
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In message , Andy
Burns writes I smile in the face of part P! Today I replaced my 30+ year-old Wylex fusebox with a nice new 12-way MK split load consumer unit & RCD/MCBs. Initially I wasn't sure there was going to be enough "slack" at the end of all the circuits but by careful positioning of the MCBs it turned out fine. Got to re-wire the DC side of the doorbell with 1mm T+E as it was only using bellwire before, with the transformer just shoved behind the busbar! Not even cutting it fine, 9 hours to spare, Why, were the Part P Police standing watching you ? Exactly how many of the general public know or even care about it? Personally, I've never heard of it -- geoff |
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On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:43:40 GMT, raden strung
together this: Personally, I've never heard of it Heard of what? -- SJW Please reply to group or use 'usenet' in email subject |
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In message , Lurch
writes On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:43:40 GMT, raden strung together this: Personally, I've never heard of it Heard of what? Sorry, what were we on about ? -- geoff |
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raden wrote:
In message , Lurch writes On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:43:40 GMT, raden strung together this: Personally, I've never heard of it Heard of what? Sorry, what were we on about ? Part P. Someone has missed the point completely!! Andrew |
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