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On Thu, 06 May 2004 00:53:59 +0100, in uk.d-i-y Grunff
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It's a septic

nails through the head would have missed the brain by a long way
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"Lurch" wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 00:53:59 +0100, in uk.d-i-y Grunff
strung together this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3685791.stm

Oops!


SJW


Think he should he

http://www.injuryboard.com/view.cfm/Topic=469

OW !!!

"geoff" wrote in message ...
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It's a septic

nails through the head would have missed the brain by a long way

geoff


Depends on the length of the nail:

http://home.eircom.net/content/reute...8?view=Printer

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3685791.stm

Holy sh!t...

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"Grunff" wrote in message
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If you look at a bigger version of the picture you can see a small spring
near his spine! What's that all about??

Si

On Thu, 6 May 2004 09:14:05 +0100, in uk.d-i-y "Mungo \"two sheds\"
Toadfoot" strung together this:

If you look at a bigger version of the picture you can see a small spring
near his spine! What's that all about??

I think he's moonlighting as a Jack in the box!
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On Thu, 6 May 2004 09:14:05 +0100, Mungo \"two sheds\" Toadfoot wrote:

If you look at a bigger version of the picture you can see a small
spring near his spine! What's that all about??

Where do you get a bigger image? Zooming the Beeb one isn't very
satisfactory. The curved line from his mouth and down the front of his
spine is a ventilator tube.

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On Thu, 6 May 2004 09:14:05 +0100, Mungo \"two sheds\" Toadfoot wrote:

If you look at a bigger version of the picture you can see a small
spring near his spine! What's that all about??

Where do you get a bigger image? Zooming the Beeb one isn't very
satisfactory. The curved line from his mouth and down the front of his
spine is a ventilator tube.


It was in one of the papers yesterday. It really is a small spring - *just*
underneath the second nail up, about an inch and a half up from the pointy
end.

Si

On Thu, 6 May 2004 09:14:05 +0100, "Mungo \"two sheds\" Toadfoot"
wrote:


If you look at a bigger version of the picture you can see a small spring
near his spine! What's that all about??

Apparently he made the fatal mistake of once winding up a cooko clock
without wearing appropriate body armour....

Graham

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On Thu, 6 May 2004 09:14:05 +0100, "Mungo \"two sheds\" Toadfoot"
wrote:


If you look at a bigger version of the picture you can see a small spring
near his spine! What's that all about??

Apparently he made the fatal mistake of once winding up a cooko clock
without wearing appropriate body armour....


Fnarrr! )

Si

Grunff wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3685791.stm

I kind of surprised that no one has speculated that this would seem to be an
*incredibly* unlikely accident. I mean, shoot yourself in the *back* of the
head repeatedly??

Having said that, I've never used a nail gun but it looks a lot more like
attempted murder than an accident to me.

Tim

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On Fri, 7 May 2004 12:15:02 +0100, "Tim Downie"
wrote:

Grunff wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3685791.stm

I kind of surprised that no one has speculated that this would seem to be an
*incredibly* unlikely accident. I mean, shoot yourself in the *back* of the
head repeatedly??

Having said that, I've never used a nail gun but it looks a lot more like
attempted murder than an accident to me.

Tim

No it could happen.

With roofing or framing nailers there are two modes of operation.

There is a safety device which is a small guard around the nailer head
usually with a rubber cushion to prevent marring on smaller nailers or
with a claw on larger nailers to prevent the nailer bouncing around.

This safety device is in effect a spring loaded plunger.

As delivered, the normal way to use the nailer is that it has to be
pushed down against the spring onto the work and the trigger squeezed
to fire. Pushing the trigger fires the gun. If you squeeze the
trigger and the safety is not pushed down then firing doesn't happen.
This mode is meant for firing one nail at a time.

However, for the construction industry in the U.S. especially, this is
too slow, so an alternative mode, which can be enabled on most framing
and roofing nailers is that the functions of trigger and safety
mechanism are reversed. Basically the trigger is squeezed and held
in, and the gun is fired by tapping it onto the work and hence
depressing the safety catch causing firing. In this mode, nails can
be fired much more quickly by dotting along the workpiece.

It is acheived by fitting an optional part, which has to be ordered
from the manufacturer and comes with a warning sheet about the risks
of using it.

I have seen this method used by numerous contractors doing framing,
siding and roofing work in the U.S.

I have also seen them doing one further step (through laziness) which
is to tape around the trigger. Now they don't even need to squeeze
the trigger, only dot the gun onto the work.

If you consider that framing and roofing nailers have a hook to go
over the tool belt to help when climbing ladders, then you have an
accident waiting to happen. More than likely, this individual fell
off a ladder or something., the nailer came off the belt, onto the
back of his head and bounced, firing several nails.
Framing nailers can easily fire several nails a second.

I have a Senco framing nailer which I have set up to only fire in the
first mode, which is always carefully maintained, used with utmost
care and with the recommended protective gear. Used with respect,
these are very useful tools, but not forgiving of the careless.




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Tim Downie wrote:

I kind of surprised that no one has speculated that this would seem to be an
*incredibly* unlikely accident. I mean, shoot yourself in the *back* of the
head repeatedly??

The CNN report
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/West/...iled.skull.ap/
indicates a cow orker was operating the gun when Isidro Mejia fell
off a ladder ontop of him.

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Andy Hall wrote in message . ..

I have a Senco framing nailer which I have set up to only fire in the
first mode, which is always carefully maintained, used with utmost
care and with the recommended protective gear. Used with respect,
these are very useful tools, but not forgiving of the careless.

I cant imagine what kind of gear would protect against one of those
shooting you - bullet proof suit?


"Royal Melbourne Hospital neurosurgeons removed the nail in a delicate
four-hour operation even though Shorten, who was expected to make a
full recovery, had offered to take the nail out with a pair of
pliers."

Now thats what I call diy!


Regards, NT

On 7 May 2004 15:39:12 -0700, (N. Thornton) wrote:

Andy Hall wrote in message . ..

I have a Senco framing nailer which I have set up to only fire in the
first mode, which is always carefully maintained, used with utmost
care and with the recommended protective gear. Used with respect,
these are very useful tools, but not forgiving of the careless.

I cant imagine what kind of gear would protect against one of those
shooting you - bullet proof suit


Probably not. There are the obvious ones like eye protection....



"Royal Melbourne Hospital neurosurgeons removed the nail in a delicate
four-hour operation even though Shorten, who was expected to make a
full recovery, had offered to take the nail out with a pair of
pliers."

Now thats what I call diy!


Regards, NT

http://www.senco.com/pdf/manuals/us/HVFN020_3_14_01.pdf

http://www.senco.com/pdf/manuals/us/sfty010_6_1_00.pdf

http://www.senco.com/pdf/safety/CSSR_english.pdf

covers it pretty well.



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Stephen Gower wrote:

The CNN report
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/West/...iled.skull.ap/
indicates a cow orker was operating the gun when Isidro Mejia fell
off a ladder ontop of him.


I wouldn't trust anyone who orks cows - or any other animal for that matter.

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N. Thornton wrote:
Andy Hall wrote in message . ..

I have a Senco framing nailer which I have set up to only fire in the
first mode, which is always carefully maintained, used with utmost
care and with the recommended protective gear. Used with respect,
these are very useful tools, but not forgiving of the careless.

I cant imagine what kind of gear would protect against one of those
shooting you - bullet proof suit?

About as much use as a chocolate teapot.

They are typically not very knife resistant, and a nail would seem
ideal to go right through.
(admittedly, the head might stop, if it's large enough)
I think the ceramic inserts that go in some vests might be of some
limited use in protection.

"Royal Melbourne Hospital neurosurgeons removed the nail in a delicate
four-hour operation even though Shorten, who was expected to make a
full recovery, had offered to take the nail out with a pair of
pliers."

Now thats what I call diy!

Someone remind me of the name of the worker in the US that got
a 1" bar blown through his skull, lived and kept working (for a bit,
having severe personality problems).
Was it the construction of the Hoover dam, or a railroad tunnel?

Huge wrote:
(N. Thornton) writes:

Andy Hall wrote in message . ..


I have a Senco framing nailer which I have set up to only fire in the
first mode, which is always carefully maintained, used with utmost
care and with the recommended protective gear. Used with respect,
these are very useful tools, but not forgiving of the careless.

I cant imagine what kind of gear would protect against one of those
shooting you - bullet proof suit?


Unlikely. I've seen someone fastening steel floor trusses to steel I-beams with
a cartridge powered gun which fired 'nails' into the beams like they were made
of wood.


Sounds like a ramset gun. Fairly common in NZ... Or were whenever I went
near a building site.

Ian Stirling wrote in
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Someone remind me of the name of the worker in the US that got
a 1" bar blown through his skull, lived and kept working (for a bit,
having severe personality problems).
Was it the construction of the Hoover dam, or a railroad tunnel?

Phineas Gage sp??? - IIRC - railroad worker.

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"Tim Downie" wrote:
Grunff wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3685791.stm

I kind of surprised that no one has speculated that this would seem to be an
*incredibly* unlikely accident. I mean, shoot yourself in the *back* of the
head repeatedly??

Having said that, I've never used a nail gun but it looks a lot more like
attempted murder than an accident to me.

It looks like this incident is one of the ones to feature in
Channel 4's 101 Things Removed from the Human Body, on Monday
at 22:50. In the preview, I think I might have also seen the
case of the guy who fell off a ladder with a long drill bit,
which he landed on and went through his eye and out the side
of his head. Probably not a programme suitable for TV dinner;-)

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