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DIY electrical work after 1st January 2005
I'm fed up to the back teeth with the misleading information being given out
by the media about the new 'safety law' which comes into being after 1st January next year. As an example, the BBC 'Good Homes' magazine states: "If you're thinking of tackling the electrics in your home DIY style, think again - from 1st January 2005 it will be illegal. The National Council for Electrical Installation Contracting (NICEIC) has passed a new safety law that renders all electrical work done by yourself, or an unregistered electrician, illegal." Similarly it has just been announced on Classic FM news that DIY electrical work will be illegal after 1st January. This is complete and utter cobblers. The new law specifically exempts 'minor' electrical work such as adding extra power points and/or lighting points - and on the whole this is the sort of work that DIY electricians undertake. Only major work such as adding complete new circuits and work undertaken in bathrooms and kitchens comes within the new laws. Even the work that *is* covered by the new regulations is not prohibited to DIY'ers - anyone wishing to carry out such work has to notify the authorities and have the work inspected. Hardly *illegal* ?? Why can the media never get anything right? Kev |
The National Council for Electrical
Installation Contracting (NICEIC) has passed a new safety law that renders all electrical work done by yourself, or an unregistered electrician, illegal." And since when was Parliament replaced by the NICEIC? |
"Uno Hoo!" wrote in message ... snip rant.. Why can the media never get anything right? Because it's been a long time since most of the media retained an expert in most subject I suspect, the average 'hack' could be writing copy on dog crap one day and cookery the next.... |
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:40:11 -0000, "Peter Crosland"
wrote: The National Council for Electrical Installation Contracting (NICEIC) has passed a new safety law that renders all electrical work done by yourself, or an unregistered electrician, illegal." And since when was Parliament replaced by the NICEIC? Oh, didn't you know? ;-) -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
This is in reply to message of Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:44:57 -0000,
":::Jerry::::" which said: "Uno Hoo!" wrote in message ... snip rant.. Why can the media never get anything right? Because it's been a long time since most of the media retained an expert in most subject I suspect, the average 'hack' could be writing copy on dog crap one day and cookery the next.... Or - "why spoil a good story with the truth". |
"Mike" wrote in message ... This is in reply to message of Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:44:57 -0000, ":::Jerry::::" which said: "Uno Hoo!" wrote in message ... snip rant.. Why can the media never get anything right? Because it's been a long time since most of the media retained an expert in most subject I suspect, the average 'hack' could be writing copy on dog crap one day and cookery the next.... Or - "why spoil a good story with the truth". Trouble is, these (part time subject) hacks spoil a good story even when the truth makes it a good story... |
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:40:11 -0000, "Peter Crosland"
strung together this: And since when was Parliament replaced by the NICEIC? Shortly after the Mafia and Gestapo clubbed together and bought the NICEIC. -- SJW A.C.S. Ltd Please reply to group or use 'usenet' in email subject |
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:23:16 -0000, "Uno Hoo!"
strung together this: Why can the media never get anything right? Yet if I went to a customers property and said "you can't do that, it's illegal. I'll have to charge you for doing that" I'd end up on electricians from hell or somesuch ****e. It's the little people that are getting trampled on again. -- SJW A.C.S. Ltd Please reply to group or use 'usenet' in email subject |
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:40:11 -0000, "Peter Crosland" wrote: The National Council for Electrical Installation Contracting (NICEIC) has passed a new safety law that renders all electrical work done by yourself, or an unregistered electrician, illegal." And since when was Parliament replaced by the NICEIC? Oh, didn't you know? ;-) Might be a big improvement !!!!!! AWEM |
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:31:23 +0000, :::Jerry:::: wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message ... This is in reply to message of Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:44:57 -0000, ":::Jerry::::" which said: "Uno Hoo!" wrote in message ... snip rant.. Why can the media never get anything right? Because it's been a long time since most of the media retained an expert in most subject I suspect, the average 'hack' could be writing copy on dog crap one day and cookery the next.... Or - "why spoil a good story with the truth". Trouble is, these (part time subject) hacks spoi1l a good story even when the truth makes it a good story... Well this morning there was a _mostly_ balanced item on this subject on the Today program on R4. It did cover the subject accurately except for mentioning several times that the regulations were designed to 'save lives' from dodgy wiring. As if people are dropping like flies from fixed wiring faults. It left as an open question weather the BCOs would be able to meet the demand for inspections. It also mentioned the (nigh on certain IMHO) fact that diy electricals will go underground. It failed to mention that professional competant electrical work will very likely also do so. Even if you agree with the idea that electrical work should be regulated the _timing_ of this introduction is arguably in error. 1) All the technical trades are currently subject to severe labour shortages. 2) The regulatory organizations have no incentive to expand. 3) The is a massive culture of diy elecrical work. The introduction needed to be preceeded by a period where people have a chance to get the exam passes and join ECA/NICEIC volutarily. Making it known where and how to become qualified. Rather than leave it to peopl who are already very busy to find out for themselves. The changes needed to be after a period of recuitment for the BC Office to get the inspectors they need. After January the LAs will need to recruit inspectors form amonst whom? qualified electricians! This will only make the labour shortages even worse! Finally they needed to introduce this in the middle of a slump in building work not a boom. I have it on good authority that a law which is not enforceable is not a law. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html |
"Ed Sirett" wrote in message n.co.uk... On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:31:23 +0000, :::Jerry:::: wrote: Well this morning there was a _mostly_ balanced item on this subject on the Today program on R4. It did cover the subject accurately except for mentioning several times that the regulations were designed to 'save lives' from dodgy wiring. As if people are dropping like flies from fixed wiring faults. The Government are now giving publicity to Part P - unlike the way it was kept relatively quiet from the "person in the street" during the consulatation process! Would it have gone ahead had it received publicity then? James --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 26/11/2004 |
Might be a big improvement !!!!!!
ROTFLOL! I certainly don't think it could be worse. |
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:23:16 -0000, "Uno Hoo!"
wrote: I'm fed up to the back teeth with the misleading information being given out by the media about the new 'safety law' which comes into being after 1st January next year. As an example, the BBC 'Good Homes' magazine states: "If you're thinking of tackling the electrics in your home DIY style, think again - from 1st January 2005 it will be illegal. The National Council for Electrical Installation Contracting (NICEIC) has passed a new safety law that renders all electrical work done by yourself, or an unregistered electrician, illegal." Similarly it has just been announced on Classic FM news that DIY electrical work will be illegal after 1st January. This is complete and utter cobblers. The new law specifically exempts 'minor' electrical work such as adding extra power points and/or lighting points - and on the whole this is the sort of work that DIY electricians undertake. Only major work such as adding complete new circuits and work undertaken in bathrooms and kitchens comes within the new laws. Even the work that *is* covered by the new regulations is not prohibited to DIY'ers - anyone wishing to carry out such work has to notify the authorities and have the work inspected. Hardly *illegal* ?? Hi, What happens if you don't have a 'competent person' to do the necessary work, or don't have it inspected? Can you expect 'a knock on the door in the night'...? cheers, Pete. |
"Pete C" wrote in message ... snip What happens if you don't have a 'competent person' to do the necessary work, or don't have it inspected? Can you expect 'a knock on the door in the night'...? With buyers packs and pre sale surveying etc. that is around or planned, I *suspect* you won't be able to sell the property. -- From address changed due to the individual.net FAQ / AUP changing. |
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:10:51 +0000, Pete C
wrote: On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:23:16 -0000, "Uno Hoo!" wrote: I'm fed up to the back teeth with the misleading information being given out by the media about the new 'safety law' which comes into being after 1st January next year. As an example, the BBC 'Good Homes' magazine states: "If you're thinking of tackling the electrics in your home DIY style, think again - from 1st January 2005 it will be illegal. The National Council for Electrical Installation Contracting (NICEIC) has passed a new safety law that renders all electrical work done by yourself, or an unregistered electrician, illegal." Similarly it has just been announced on Classic FM news that DIY electrical work will be illegal after 1st January. This is complete and utter cobblers. The new law specifically exempts 'minor' electrical work such as adding extra power points and/or lighting points - and on the whole this is the sort of work that DIY electricians undertake. Only major work such as adding complete new circuits and work undertaken in bathrooms and kitchens comes within the new laws. Even the work that *is* covered by the new regulations is not prohibited to DIY'ers - anyone wishing to carry out such work has to notify the authorities and have the work inspected. Hardly *illegal* ?? Hi, What happens if you don't have a 'competent person' to do the necessary work, or don't have it inspected? Can you expect 'a knock on the door in the night'...? cheers, Pete. Oh, definitely. BCOs have been issued with heavy leather uniforms and detector vans. :-) The reality is that nothing will happen unless/until: - Somebody informs building control. However, wiring is a lot less conspicuous than an extension. - Some building work involving building control is started and they notice. Unlikely. - Something bad happens like a fire. - You want to sell the house. The buyer's solicitor will ask for certificates or ask if any wiring without inspection has been done. Presumably you would answer truthfully. A survey with electrical inspection would be done and corrections made if required, then a certificate issued. -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
":::Jerry::::" wrote in message ... "Pete C" wrote in message ... snip What happens if you don't have a 'competent person' to do the necessary work, or don't have it inspected? Can you expect 'a knock on the door in the night'...? With buyers packs and pre sale surveying etc. that is around or planned, I *suspect* you won't be able to sell the property. Didn't the House of Lords win the argument on this one and scrap/delay it ? |
Uno Hoo! wrote:
Why can the media never get anything right? Like the Daily Express which told us this week that "DIY electrical work will invalidate your home insurance policy" and that the wiring colours are changing to Blue for neutral and Black for live!!!!! |
"Uno Hoo!" wrote in message
... I'm fed up to the back teeth with the misleading information being given out by the media about the new 'safety law' which comes into being after 1st January next year. As an example, the BBC 'Good Homes' magazine states: "If you're thinking of tackling the electrics in your home DIY style, think again - from 1st January 2005 it will be illegal. The National Council for Electrical Installation Contracting (NICEIC) has passed a new safety law that renders all electrical work done by yourself, or an unregistered electrician, illegal." Similarly it has just been announced on Classic FM news that DIY electrical work will be illegal after 1st January. This is complete and utter cobblers. The new law specifically exempts 'minor' electrical work such as adding extra power points and/or lighting points - and on the whole this is the sort of work that DIY electricians undertake. Only major work such as adding complete new circuits and work undertaken in bathrooms and kitchens comes within the new laws. Even the work that *is* covered by the new regulations is not prohibited to DIY'ers - anyone wishing to carry out such work has to notify the authorities and have the work inspected. Hardly *illegal* ?? Why can the media never get anything right? Kev Whilst I'm generally with you on the irritation of press inaccuracies (and the Beeb is just as bad as the rest), this might actually work against the government in this case. The downside is that they will probably choose to ignore the heart of the argument, and talk about press inaccuracies instead. The thing that really ****es me off is that this should have come out 6 months ago, when there might have been a chance to do somethign about it. -- Richard Sampson mail me at richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk |
":::Jerry::::" wrote: "Pete C" wrote in message ... snip What happens if you don't have a 'competent person' to do the necessary work, or don't have it inspected? Can you expect 'a knock on the door in the night'...? With buyers packs and pre sale surveying etc. that is around or planned, I *suspect* you won't be able to sell the property. You'll just answer the question in the sellers pack about certification for electrical work with "no certificates are available" and the buyer can then get their own inspection. Or you pay for an inspection before you get the sellers pack and include that. Either way as long as you've done the work to current regs then nothing to worry about. An electrical inspection fee is small change in the context of the ~£10k it costs to move house these days. As always, if the buyer wants the house, they'll buy the house. There is no law stopping a house being sold if it doesn't have the relevant certificates for work done on it. Al |
spend ££££££ on some registration scheme. Maybe I'll just sign on as unemployed instead :-) If you do that, then the gov will pay you to be retrained, prob solved g. Dave -- Some people use windows, others have a life. |
Uno Hoo! wrote:
Why can the media never get anything right? BBC News seem to have done a better job: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4048371.stm John. |
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:10:51 +0000, Pete C wrote:
Hi, What happens if you don't have a 'competent person' to do the necessary work, or don't have it inspected? Can you expect 'a knock on the door in the night'...? cheers, Pete. Doubt it... I certainly do not plan to pay for certification everytime I do something, which is likley to be lots of small jobs over the course of time. I can't afford to pay a sparky for something I am well competant to do (unlike say, plastering, which I'm crap at, or plumbing if it means taking the entire CH to bits as opposed to running a couple of pipes). So, if I see something that looks iffy, do I a) leave it as I can't afford a sparky or b) fix it??? Guess. Someone earlier this year suggested a real beauty to tell the buyers solicitor in the event of enquiries to relevant certification. It went roughly thus: "I know of no material deviations from the IEE Wiring Regulations. However if the buyer wishes to see certification or otherwise assure themselves, they are most welcome to arrange an inspection of their choice for which they will pay." In other words, business as usual. I expect Councils are too busy to randomly start poking around with this sort of thing. So they only other times it will come up AFAICS will be: a) BCO down due to other works. He's unlikely to inspect beyond the job in hand. And with the cock up in colour changes, nothing is going to be obvious anyway. b) Fire or electrocution and it's found out that you made a pigs ear of electrical work. But that's always been the case... I think if the police are about to bust you for making an installation dangerous and killing someone, after the amount of grief you'll be getting, Part P evasion will be the least of your worries. And if you're that useless with electrical work, you shouldn't be doing it at all. Not a legal opinion, just mine. Or go on a certification course and hire the equipment and do it yourself. Are there any C&G courses for this? Timbo |
"Al Reynolds" wrote in message ... ":::Jerry::::" wrote: "Pete C" wrote in message ... snip What happens if you don't have a 'competent person' to do the necessary work, or don't have it inspected? Can you expect 'a knock on the door in the night'...? With buyers packs and pre sale surveying etc. that is around or planned, I *suspect* you won't be able to sell the property. You'll just answer the question in the sellers pack about certification for electrical work with "no certificates are available" and the buyer can then get their own inspection. Or you pay for an inspection before you get the sellers pack and include that. Either way as long as you've done the work to current regs then nothing to worry about. An electrical inspection fee is small change in the context of the ~£10k it costs to move house these days. As always, if the buyer wants the house, they'll buy the house. There is no law stopping a house being sold if it doesn't have the relevant certificates for work done on it. In any case - how can anyone prove just 'when' the work was carried out? Kev |
"Tim S" wrote
| Or go on a certification course and hire the equipment and do it | yourself. The point about this regulation is that you *cannot* do this. | Are there any C&G courses for this? (Yes, but) Irrelevant. You do not have to be qualified. You just have to be a member of NICEIC or similar scheme. Owain |
Purely out of interest, can someone with reasonable elec. quals and experience now not do domestic wiring beyond what has just been described by the other posters here? I am a qualified practising Electrician with qualifications in the Wiring Regulations and Inspection and Testing of Electrical Installations. On 1st January I will need to get a building inspector to check that I have replaced a Socket Outlet in my kitchen correctly. The building inspector will probably be less qualified and experienced than myself. But its ok for me to replace someone else's Socket Outlet in their kitchen as long as I am working for a registered Electrician. I cant go self employed because you have to be in business 6 months before been able to register with one of the schemes. By "someone/reasonable", I mean me with... Electrical apprenticeship (industrial) in the 70's (5 years + day release CGLI full tech cert (probably considered worthless today). Mainly 3ph. high current motor controllers, & industrial plant etc to elec. instrumentation and domestic wiring in the companies own housing. I'm still reasonably utd on the theory but way ood on the regulations. I also have a degree in elec. eng. (B.Sc) - but for most of the interviening years I've been involved in computer sodware (no typo). Heading for retirement I did think of maybe returning to my short circuits days (part time) - but looks like the government has pressed the big RED button. Are there any exemptions possible? I don't really want to have to spend ££££££ on some registration scheme. Maybe I'll just sign on as unemployed instead :-) |
One point not often made is that you do not need to be a qualified
Electrician to register with one of the part p schemes. Kitchen fitters plumbers etc will be allowed into the fold as long as they hand over the wad of cash and go on one of the courses. |
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:34:58 +0000, Owain wrote:
"Tim S" wrote | Or go on a certification course and hire the equipment and do it | yourself. The point about this regulation is that you *cannot* do this. | Are there any C&G courses for this? (Yes, but) Irrelevant. You do not have to be qualified. You just have to be a member of NICEIC or similar scheme. Owain This came up before in a thread some weeks ago. I remember the consensus was that what you say is certainly true in the case of work done for reward. That is, Pro's can only self certify by being NECEIC members. The conclusion on doing DIY work was inconclusive, though a strong argument was made that anyone could certify their own work (for DIY) as long as they "were competant" to quote the IEE regs. I'm the sort of bloke who if I were going to do this, might be interested in doing a specific course (assuming it's one of those 2-3 day things), then at least I can do it right. I have no moral objection to installation testing per se, just in it being suggested that I have to pay someone else to do it every 6 months when I touch something. I beg to differ, but I think the case of who can certify what for DIY work is still as clear as mud AFAICS. All that's sparked this discussion off are a few media reports of varying quality. I think it's important to note that no new information of consequence is available. I've seen nothing substantial enough, recently, to change my opinion. Timbo |
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:02:00 -0000, "fred"
strung together this: I am a qualified practising Electrician with qualifications in the Wiring Regulations and Inspection and Testing of Electrical Installations. On 1st January I will need to get a building inspector to check that I have replaced a Socket Outlet in my kitchen correctly. The building inspector will probably be less qualified and experienced than myself. But its ok for me to replace someone else's Socket Outlet in their kitchen as long as I am working for a registered Electrician. I cant go self employed because you have to be in business 6 months before been able to register with one of the schemes. I've just decided not to bother, I can't work out what's meant to be happening, but whatever it is it'll cost me money so **** it, I'll just stop doing electrical work. I'd much rather devote my time to the data\telecoms\security side of my business anyway. I'll still be doing my own work in my own house though, once part p is deemed to be a total mess of confusion and extortion it'll be scrapped. (Actually it won't will it, it'll be ammended so that it costs more to be involved in it but makes no difference to safety). -- SJW A.C.S. Ltd Please reply to group or use 'usenet' in email subject |
"Tim S" wrote
| The conclusion on doing DIY work was inconclusive, though a strong | argument was made that anyone could certify their own work (for DIY) | as long as they "were competant" to quote the IEE regs. That is for GAS. (Not the IEE regs bit, but the "competent" criterion.) There is NO requirement for competence under Part P. After all, they're allowing NIC-only-one-person-in-a-firm-needs-a-qualification-EIC to self-certify. (The main reason for a CORGI to sign off DIY gas heating installation is not the Gas Safety Regulations but Part L requiring somebody to sign that you've put thermostatic radiator valves in, and to qualify for some manufacturer's warranties on the boiler.) | I'm the sort of bloke who if I were going to do this, might be interested | in doing a specific course (assuming it's one of those 2-3 day things), | then at least I can do it right. The IEE do 2-3 day courses. However, you would also need the apppropriate test equipment which must be calibrated periodically. | I beg to differ, but I think the case of who can certify what for DIY work | is still as clear as mud AFAICS. It's quite clear(ish). One of the following applies: - the work is within the definition of permitted work[1], not in a kitchen or bathroom or other specified location - DIY permitted, providing work complies with the Readers Digest Picture Book of Sockets and Switches. - the work is carried out by a person [whose employer is] registered with a certification body eg NICEIC - operative self-certifies - anything else, a building regulations application to the council is required Much like windows with FENSA, etc. Owain [1] This is not necessarily the same as that covered by the IEE's "minor works" form of certificate |
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Lurch writes: On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:02:00 -0000, "fred" strung together this: I am a qualified practising Electrician with qualifications in the Wiring Regulations and Inspection and Testing of Electrical Installations. On 1st January I will need to get a building inspector to check that I have replaced a Socket Outlet in my kitchen correctly. The building inspector will probably be less qualified and experienced than myself. But its ok for me to replace someone else's Socket Outlet in their kitchen as long as I am working for a registered Electrician. I cant go self employed because you have to be in business 6 months before been able to register with one of the schemes. I've just decided not to bother, I can't work out what's meant to be happening, but whatever it is it'll cost me money so **** it, I'll just stop doing electrical work. I'd much rather devote my time to the data\telecoms\security side of my business anyway. That's all covered by Part P in the home and it doesn't come under the list of exemptions in Table 1. I did mention in my original response during the consultation period that Part P should only cover Low Voltage (which is standard mains voltage), but my comments were ignored and it also encompasses all Extra Low Voltage, i.e. data/telecoms/security/aerials/etc. and none of these are listed in the exclusions from needing an accredited installer or a building notice. So you might want to make sure you get your structured Cat5 and phone extentions installed before year end ;-) -- Andrew Gabriel |
"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message ... That's all covered by Part P in the home and it doesn't come under the list of exemptions in Table 1. I did mention in my original response during the consultation period that Part P should only cover Low Voltage (which is standard mains voltage), but my comments were ignored and it also encompasses all Extra Low Voltage, i.e. data/telecoms/security/aerials/etc. and none of these are listed in the exclusions from needing an accredited installer or a building notice. So you might want to make sure you get your structured Cat5 and phone extentions installed before year end ;-) Do the traditional operators - such as BT - have membership of an appropriate approved body? On second thoughts this is a silly question - to meet the requirements only one of their thousands of employees needs to be a member for the organisation as a whole to qualify. James --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 27/11/2004 |
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:01:15 +0000, Lurch
wrote: On 28 Nov 2004 21:27:46 GMT, (Andrew Gabriel) strung together this: I'd much rather devote my time to the data\telecoms\security side of my business anyway. That's all covered by Part P in the home and it doesn't come under the list of exemptions in Table 1. I did mention in my original response during the consultation period that Part P should only cover Low Voltage (which is standard mains voltage), but my comments were ignored and it also encompasses all Extra Low Voltage, i.e. data/telecoms/security/aerials/etc. and none of these are listed in the exclusions from needing an accredited installer or a building notice. So I'm basically ****ed whatever I do then, unless I go on the dole. In summary, if I do anything that involves a piece of wire then I need to be a member of a trade body? Does the SSAIB count? Why don't you contact them and ask them to take up your cause. Chances are, theyu haven't even thought about it. When you're wiring an alarm panel, do you normally power it from a spur? If so, you can still do that, since it's exempted, but presumably not if a new circuit were needed... -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:22:27 +0000, Andy Hall
strung together this: Why don't you contact them and ask them to take up your cause. Chances are, theyu haven't even thought about it. Yes, I'll look into a bit more tomorrow. When you're wiring an alarm panel, do you normally power it from a spur? If so, you can still do that, since it's exempted, but presumably not if a new circuit were needed... I already got that one figured, which is a PITA as I prefer to run the alarm panel on a dedicated non RCD'd radial rather than off of a RCD'd ring. Oh well, the pro's get shafted again while the cowboys go on as normal not giving a feck. -- SJW A.C.S. Ltd Please reply to group or use 'usenet' in email subject |
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:44:34 +0000, Owain wrote:
"Tim S" wrote | The conclusion on doing DIY work was inconclusive, though a strong | argument was made that anyone could certify their own work (for DIY) as | long as they "were competant" to quote the IEE regs. That is for GAS. (Not the IEE regs bit, but the "competent" criterion.) There is NO requirement for competence under Part P. After all, they're allowing NIC-only-one-person-in-a-firm-needs-a-qualification-EIC to self-certify. ? Must be talking at cross purposes. Could be me, in which case I apologise. (The main reason for a CORGI to sign off DIY gas heating installation is not the Gas Safety Regulations but Part L requiring somebody to sign that you've put thermostatic radiator valves in, and to qualify for some manufacturer's warranties on the boiler.) | I'm the sort of bloke who if I were going to do this, might be | interested in doing a specific course (assuming it's one of those 2-3 | day things), then at least I can do it right. The IEE do 2-3 day courses. However, you would also need the apppropriate test equipment which must be calibrated periodically. Hireable I'm sure. For a fee. Which even for this should be less than a NECEIC bod doing it (£150 +/-50??) | I beg to differ, but I think the case of who can certify what for DIY | work is still as clear as mud AFAICS. It's quite clear(ish). One of the following applies: - the work is within the definition of permitted work[1], not in a kitchen or bathroom or other specified location - DIY permitted, providing work complies with the Readers Digest Picture Book of Sockets and Switches. - the work is carried out by a person [whose employer is] registered with a certification body eg NICEIC - operative self-certifies - anything else, a building regulations application to the council is required I'm clear on this bit - "what type of work needs certifying". I'm not at all clear on who can certify at the end of works for which a BR application was made. a) Hire-for-reward professional sparky - must be NECEIC member in the firm, I think. Reasonably clear. b) DIYer - not at all clear to me after following this discussion for months. I've seen opinions varying from "get a bloke who could do a) to certify your work" to "anyone can write out an IEE test cert if they are competant and have correct calibrated test gear" to "random CEng/MIEE with test gear". The last option was indicated verbally to me be be acceptable by one senior BCO. I hadn't asked about "certificate written out by anyone competant". Assuming that for DIY, one does do a BR notification where required, what seems highly unclear is who is allowed to certify your work (you/a random engineer/paid-NECEIC-sparky). I suspect that will be subject to much variation depending on council. Much like windows with FENSA, etc. I'd hate to get into that(!) Timbo -- Tim Southerwood Website: http://www.dionic.net/ |
I cant go self employed because you have to be in business 6 months before
been able to register with one of the schemes. Yes. You must have been a member for 6 months before you are allowed to join. Medieval guild pure and simple. Christian. |
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:29:10 -0000, "Christian McArdle"
wrote: I cant go self employed because you have to be in business 6 months before been able to register with one of the schemes. Yes. You must have been a member for 6 months before you are allowed to join. Medieval guild pure and simple. Christian. I wonder if they have initiation ceremonies. Rolling up of trouser legs, that type of thing...... -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:29:10 -0000, "Christian McArdle"
strung together this: I cant go self employed because you have to be in business 6 months before been able to register with one of the schemes. Yes. You must have been a member for 6 months before you are allowed to join. Medieval guild pure and simple. Arse about face, as usual. At some point in the future, if you set up a business you will have a 6 month minimum period in which you are technically incompetent in the eyes of some **** in a suit who doesn't know his arse from his elbow which means that you can't do any work and you can't leave the house as the insurance poklicy you took out will be invalid. When you apply for membership you will then be assessed on the previous work that you have done, i.e. making some toast. -- SJW A.C.S. Ltd Please reply to group or use 'usenet' in email subject |
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:31:52 +0000, :::Jerry:::: wrote:
With buyers packs and pre sale surveying etc. that is around or planned, I *suspect* you won't be able to sell the property. -- What I think will happen is that two housing markets will develop - a fully certified & in A1 condition. Which the younger, better and well refurbished houses will tend to belong to. The less informed, the wealthier and the less adventurous (in any combination) will buy these. The other market will be for those who have to, wish to or want to buy 'uncertified' property. Which might be anything from a house with needs a rewire to one which need rebuilding. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html |
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