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Part P - new cable colours
Have just bought some 25mm meter tails cable at TLC, and they have the
new Part P colours. I will finish the work in the next few days, before Part P takes effect. TLC said that they will be getting stocks of 2.5 mm, 1.5mm and 1mm cable, also with the new colours, "any day now". Hence, anyone using cable with the new colours could genuinely have finished the work ahead of Part P being introduced. So,looking ahead,the use of the new colours cannot be deemed by the "authorities" as evidence of work having been done after Part P came into force. As an aside, TLC were adamant that Part P will not come into effect in any way before 1st January 1996, not 1995. CRB |
Hence, anyone using cable with the new colours could genuinely have
finished the work ahead of Part P being introduced. So,looking ahead,the use of the new colours cannot be deemed by the "authorities" as evidence of work having been done after Part P came into force. Indeed the guv'mint cocked up. Hence new colours become available and legal before Part P was implemented and so cable colour is unable to be used as proof that work should have been done under the new regulations. Christian. |
"CRB" wrote in message m... Have just bought some 25mm meter tails cable at TLC, and they have the new Part P colours. I will finish the work in the next few days, before Part P takes effect. TLC said that they will be getting stocks of 2.5 mm, 1.5mm and 1mm cable, also with the new colours, "any day now". Hence, anyone using cable with the new colours could genuinely have finished the work ahead of Part P being introduced. So,looking ahead,the use of the new colours cannot be deemed by the "authorities" as evidence of work having been done after Part P came into force. As an aside, TLC were adamant that Part P will not come into effect in any way before 1st January 1996, not 1995. CRB I'm pretty sure Part P won't come into effect until well after 1st Jan 1996... |
"Christian McArdle" wrote in message . net... Hence, anyone using cable with the new colours could genuinely have finished the work ahead of Part P being introduced. So,looking ahead,the use of the new colours cannot be deemed by the "authorities" as evidence of work having been done after Part P came into force. Indeed the guv'mint cocked up. Hence new colours become available and legal before Part P was implemented and so cable colour is unable to be used as proof that work should have been done under the new regulations. Keep the receipt. It is simple really. |
"CRB" wrote in message
m... Have just bought some 25mm meter tails cable at TLC, and they have the new Part P colours. I will finish the work in the next few days, before Part P takes effect. TLC said that they will be getting stocks of 2.5 mm, 1.5mm and 1mm cable, also with the new colours, "any day now". My TLC had 3-and-earth and twin-and-earth in new colours, but could only sell me heat-resistant sleeving (for inside exterior lights) in red and black. Al |
as evidence of work having been done after Part P came into force.
Indeed the guv'mint cocked up. Hence new colours become available and legal before Part P was implemented and so cable colour is unable to be used as proof that work should have been done under the new regulations. A good reason to buy a few reels of old colours now before everyone runs out so I have "stock" for jobs over the next few years and there can be no question about when the work was done later ;-) My local electrical wholesaler had no old colours left when I tried but B&Q had plenty. |
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IMM wrote: Indeed the guv'mint cocked up. Hence new colours become available and legal before Part P was implemented and so cable colour is unable to be used as proof that work should have been done under the new regulations. Keep the receipt. It is simple really. Does it say 'one reel of new colour cable' on it? -- *Why is 'abbreviation' such a long word? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , IMM wrote: Indeed the guv'mint cocked up. Hence new colours become available and legal before Part P was implemented and so cable colour is unable to be used as proof that work should have been done under the new regulations. Keep the receipt. It is simple really. Does it say 'one reel of new colour cable' on it? Or, would the receipt say "Cable without the old colours because of Part P"? LOL!!! |
Alan wrote:
My local electrical wholesaler had no old colours left when I tried but B&Q had plenty. My local B&Q branches had all previously run down their cable stock and put up signs saying they would be replaced with a new range in due course. Today I noticed they were well stocked again (full reels as well as the expensive off-cuts!) and I had a look expecting it to be harmonised colours, but it wasn't ... |
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:23:27 -0000, "IMM" strung
together this: Keep the receipt. It is simple really. You dopey old ****. -- SJW A.C.S. Ltd Please reply to group or use 'usenet' in email subject |
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:47:13 GMT, Mike Harrison
strung together this: I got new colours a few months ago from my local place. Me too, been using harmonised colours for ages now. They also said that it was no longer available in white - is this true or just what they had got...? Could be either, depends who the manufacturers are that supplied them with the info. -- SJW A.C.S. Ltd Please reply to group or use 'usenet' in email subject |
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Lurch wrote: Keep the receipt. It is simple really. You dopey old ****. Don't be so cruel. A decent counter hand says that to all his customers. -- *You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
"Lurch" wrote in message ... On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:23:27 -0000, "IMM" strung together this: Keep the receipt. It is simple really. You dopey old ****. Less of the old. |
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Hugo Nebula abuse@localhost wrote: As an aside, TLC were adamant that Part P will not come into effect in any way before 1st January 1996, not 1995. Well, they're going to be a bit ****ed when it comes into force from the end of next month. R4 has just confirmed this. -- *Sometimes I wake up grumpy; Other times I let him sleep. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Hugo Nebula abuse@localhost wrote: As an aside, TLC were adamant that Part P will not come into effect in any way before 1st January 1996, not 1995. Well, they're going to be a bit ****ed when it comes into force from the end of next month. R4 has just confirmed this. The BBC report I heard also went on to say that what needs to be inspected and what doesn't will be listed on a .gov web site / page January. One has to wonder why they can't do that now, perhaps Part P's content isn't set in stone yet (IYSWIM) ? |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" writes: In article , Hugo Nebula abuse@localhost wrote: As an aside, TLC were adamant that Part P will not come into effect in any way before 1st January 1996, not 1995. Well, they're going to be a bit ****ed when it comes into force from the end of next month. R4 has just confirmed this. Well, they interviewed someone from ODPM whose name I didn't recognise who confirmed it. They also commented that electricians simply aren't joining the accredited schemes. It's probably on the BBC's listen again service. I was half asleep, but I think it was on at around 7:30 this morning. -- Andrew Gabriel |
"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
... Well, they interviewed someone from ODPM whose name I didn't recognise who confirmed it. They also commented that electricians simply aren't joining the accredited schemes. It's probably on the BBC's listen again service. I was half asleep, but I think it was on at around 7:30 this morning. Yup. Currently accessible in the from here "Today: Saturday 7-8am": http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio4_promo.shtml Item started at 27 minutes to 8 The junior minister they wheeled out ( I forgot his name too) tried to downplay the effect on DIY, implying that it has no impact on most DIY, which isn't true technically, only practically ( Because everyone will just ignore it) |
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wrote: Yup. Currently accessible in the from here "Today: Saturday 7-8am": http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio4_promo.shtml For today only easier entry point is http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ 0730 Mention of http://www.partp.co.uk So far no competent persons in postcode TW -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk Free SEDBUK boiler database browser http://www.sda.co.uk/qsedbuk.htm |
"Lurch" wrote in message ... On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:47:13 GMT, Mike Harrison strung together this: I got new colours a few months ago from my local place. Me too, been using harmonised colours for ages now. They also said that it was no longer available in white - is this true or just what they had got...? Could be either, depends who the manufacturers are that supplied them with the info. -- SJW A.C.S. Ltd Please reply to group or use 'usenet' in email subject New harmonised colours are availible as the following :-- 6242YH and 6243YH in grey only, standard pvc cable 6242BH and 6243BH in white, this is an LSF cable, low smoke and fume, and a lot more expensive than standard PVC |
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:26:27 GMT, Tony Bryer
strung together this: So far no competent persons in postcode TW Doesn't appear to be a compotent person anywhere in the country according to that site. -- SJW A.C.S. Ltd Please reply to group or use 'usenet' in email subject |
Tony Bryer wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ 0730 I thought the 'Today' piece was quite good, their DIYer George Bishop|Bishard(?) was absolutely spot-on. But in the short news bulletins on the hour we're now getting "any electrical work not done by a qualified electrician will have to be checked by [the BCO]" which is more-or-less ********. A fine example of "send three-and-fourpence we're going to a dance." Mention of http://www.partp.co.uk Which 'Today' described as an official government site. Nominet.uk OTOH says: Domain Name: partp.co.uk Registrant: Electrical Contractors Association Limited Registrant's Address: ESCA House 34 Palace Court London W2 4HY GB Hmmm. So far no competent persons in postcode TW Nor CB-anything either. I sense another fridge-mountain scale problem ahead. Maybe there will have to be a moratorium... -- Andy |
Stephen Dawson wrote:
6242BH and 6243BH in white, this is an LSF cable, low smoke and fume, and a lot more expensive than standard PVC These are new cable types, mentioned briefly in the current issue of 'Wiring Matters' (IEE publication). They're 90 deg C. rated thermosetting-insulation types, to BS 7211, and will have higher current ratings than normal (624xY) twin/triple-&-CPC cables. I've not seen any current rating data yet though. 'Wiring Matters' mentions their use as appropriate for situations where it's unavoidable that a cable is completely surrounded in thermal insulation. There's a forthcoming IEE publication to be called "the electrician's guide to the building regulations" which will include some standardised circuit designs for this situation. Is there a plan, I wonder, that in future flat PVC cables (BS 6004) will only be available in grey, with white used for this new type? -- Andy |
"Stephen Dawson" wrote in message ... "Lurch" wrote in message ... On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:47:13 GMT, Mike Harrison strung together this: I got new colours a few months ago from my local place. Me too, been using harmonised colours for ages now. They also said that it was no longer available in white - is this true or just what they had got...? Could be either, depends who the manufacturers are that supplied them with the info. -- SJW A.C.S. Ltd Please reply to group or use 'usenet' in email subject New harmonised colours are availible as the following :-- 6242YH and 6243YH in grey only, standard pvc cable You're kidding I hope. What about surface mounted cable ? White (and occasionally) black are needed for these. |
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:03:33 -0000, "Mike" strung
together this: 6242YH and 6243YH in grey only, standard pvc cable You're kidding I hope. What about surface mounted cable ? White (and occasionally) black are needed for these. Why? -- SJW A.C.S. Ltd Please reply to group or use 'usenet' in email subject |
"IMM" wrote
| "James" wrote | The BBC website does not mention Part P only applies to England | and Wales. Yes - it can be argued that similar rules already | apply to Scotland, but the means of implementation/enforcement | seem to be radically different. The only rule in Scotland is that work must comply with the IEE regs. Where other work is being done which brings the job within the building warrant process, a wiring certificate will be requested by the BCO. AFAIK there's no requirement to obtain a building warrant for electrical work on its own. | Does Part L only apply to Eng & Wales too? *All* the Building Regulations apply only to E&W. Scotland has entirely separate regulations, and the part numbering does not correspond. Unfortunately, my understanding from the last Wiring Matters is that a similar scheme is being considered for Scotland. Owain |
"IMM" wrote in message ... Does Part L only apply to Eng & Wales too? My understanding is that Scotland is a completely separate so far as building control is concerned, which means they have a separate code. So Part L does not apply in Scotland as such, although there is probably some fairly equivalent legislation. What does seem to be very different is how it is enforced - without the overuse of "competent persons schemes" etc. For example replacement windows in Scotland do not involve Fensa as a certifying body. James --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 27/11/2004 |
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:08:18 -0000, a particular chimpanzee named
"Mike" randomly hit the keyboard and produced: Hopefully this will be the one that breaks the camels back. Most people fully approve building regs for structural work - the early parts - but the parts L. M and now P are pushing the system into disrepute. Some diy-ing barrister will hopefully get a human rights violation judgement and this whole nonsense will go on hold. Some parts of AD E, H and J are a bit daft, too. Whatever happened to Part Q - Providing broadband to every new house? -- Hugo Nebula 'What you have to ask yourself is, "if no-one on the internet wants a piece of this, just how far from the pack have you strayed?"' |
"Hugo Nebula" abuse@localhost wrote in message ... snip Whatever happened to Part Q - Providing broadband to every new house? Creating pipe dreams take longer than balls-ups..... -- From address changed due to the individual.net FAQ / AUP changing. |
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Does Part L only apply to Eng & Wales too? Yep, rules in Scotland and NI are different and completely different respectively: http://www.sda.co.uk/info/shw/shewsni.htm -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk Free SEDBUK boiler database browser http://www.sda.co.uk/qsedbuk.htm |
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article , Hugo Nebula abuse@localhost wrote: As an aside, TLC were adamant that Part P will not come into effect in any way before 1st January 1996, not 1995. Well, they're going to be a bit ****ed when it comes into force from the end of next month. R4 has just confirmed this. Which? 1996 or 1995? -- Chris Green |
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wrote: As an aside, TLC were adamant that Part P will not come into effect in any way before 1st January 1996, not 1995. Well, they're going to be a bit ****ed when it comes into force from the end of next month. R4 has just confirmed this. Which? 1996 or 1995? '95 -- *When a clock is hungry it goes back four seconds.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" writes: In article , wrote: As an aside, TLC were adamant that Part P will not come into effect in any way before 1st January 1996, not 1995. Well, they're going to be a bit ****ed when it comes into force from the end of next month. R4 has just confirmed this. Which? 1996 or 1995? '95 Is it just me living in a timewarp? Better nip back into the tardis quickly... -- Andrew Gabriel |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote: As an aside, TLC were adamant that Part P will not come into effect in any way before 1st January 1996, not 1995. Well, they're going to be a bit ****ed when it comes into force from the end of next month. R4 has just confirmed this. Which? 1996 or 1995? '95 Is it just me living in a timewarp? Better nip back into the tardis quickly... I must have been fiddling with my sonic screwdriver while typing... -- Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
"Hugo Nebula" abuse@localhost wrote in message ... On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:08:18 -0000, a particular chimpanzee named "Mike" randomly hit the keyboard and produced: Hopefully this will be the one that breaks the camels back. Most people fully approve building regs for structural work - the early parts - but the parts L. M and now P are pushing the system into disrepute. Some diy-ing barrister will hopefully get a human rights violation judgement and this whole nonsense will go on hold. Some parts of AD E, H and J are a bit daft, too. Well possibly in some cases - but at least the BCO should realise this and allow an alternative. Whatever happened to Part Q - Providing broadband to every new house? The companies manufacturing broadband equipment pointed out that anything installed now would be obsolete next week so don't bother. Most work on VDSL in the UK is winding down and whether it's WiMax, satellite, laser or whatever, a wireless solution will dominate broadband provision in due course. |
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Andrew Gabriel wrote: As an aside, TLC were adamant that Part P will not come into effect in any way before 1st January 1996, not 1995. Well, they're going to be a bit ****ed when it comes into force from the end of next month. R4 has just confirmed this. Which? 1996 or 1995? '95 Is it just me living in a timewarp? Better nip back into the tardis quickly... I must have been fiddling with my sonic screwdriver while typing... Is that a PPPoo one or a DeWalt ? |
The companies manufacturing broadband equipment pointed out that anything
installed now would be obsolete next week so don't bother. Most work on VDSL in the UK is winding down and whether it's WiMax, satellite, laser or whatever, a wireless solution will dominate broadband provision in due course. Really?, What makes you think that then.... -- Tony Sayer |
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:45:27 +0000, tony sayer
wrote: The companies manufacturing broadband equipment pointed out that anything installed now would be obsolete next week so don't bother. Most work on VDSL in the UK is winding down and whether it's WiMax, satellite, laser or whatever, a wireless solution will dominate broadband provision in due course. Really?, What makes you think that then.... I don't think that there's huge value in satellite unless you are doing bulk downloads or spanning large continents like Russia where satellite is used for backup. For interactive use it's poor. Wireless local loop is pretty good. I've had such a service for about 5 years on the 3.6-4.2GHz band and it works pretty well. I can have an ADSL equivalent at lowish cost, or 512k, 1Mb or 2Mb asymmetrical or symmetrical contended at 50, 15 or 5 to 1. At the moment, I'm using 1Mb symmetrical, 5:1 and from measurements it does deliver that. However, the equipment isn't cheap so the connection cost is relatively high now - wasn't when I got it. From the SP's point of view, the coverage works well. In my area, there are base stations about every 5-8km and they can cover line of sight - generally about 8km or a bit more. I don't think that it's a solution for every situation, but it's better than ADSL and cable modem. -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
"tony sayer" wrote in message ... The companies manufacturing broadband equipment pointed out that anything installed now would be obsolete next week so don't bother. Most work on VDSL in the UK is winding down and whether it's WiMax, satellite, laser or whatever, a wireless solution will dominate broadband provision in due course. Really?, What makes you think that then.... I'm a consultant for many of those companies. If WiMax gets the top end of the analogue TV bands as it will in the US and some other places then it's a fairly done deal, otherwise laser solutions could still succeed. And there is a round trip problem with satellite, it is the best way to deliver huge amounts of data to lots of people. In theory every non-video/music page on the Internet could be regularly delivered to one's own private 'google' if you had a large enough hard drive. |
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