I bought some equipment it came with screws. It needs screwing into
the wall. So I bought some plugs/fixings from homebase. The end of
the screw doesn't seem to reach the end of the plug/fixing, and it
splits at the bottom.
Here is a picture
http://www.acedial.co.uk/~marf/screw.jpg

THe fixing box says says No 5,8,10,12 3.5mm to 5.5mm wood screw

IT says that the screw must penetrate 25mm into the fixing. Fine, the
screw is 25mm long. But the picture on the fixing box shows it
reaching tho the end of the fixing - the fixing is 30mm long and also,
the picture on the box shows it fitting snugly without splitting the
fixing.

Is this the right size fixing for the screw?
And do I just drill a hole and if the hole's too small find a slightly
bigger drill bit. The box says it needs a 6mm masonry drill. But i've
done it before using drill bits and getting bigger until it fits. I
don't know what size my drill bits are but I know that at least one is
an ok size.
http://www.acedial.co.uk/~marf/thebox.jpg

I bought some equipment it came with screws. It needs screwing into
the wall. So I bought some plugs/fixings from homebase. The end of
the screw doesn't seem to reach the end of the plug/fixing, and it
splits at the bottom.

What sort of surface are you trying to fix it to ?

(I spot no brick / plaster dust, so i`m curious)

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Are you sure that plug has been in a wall? If it was inside a drilled hole,
it wouldn't split like that i dont think.

I bought some equipment it came with screws. It needs screwing into
the wall. So I bought some plugs/fixings from homebase. The end of
the screw doesn't seem to reach the end of the plug/fixing, and it
splits at the bottom.
Here is a picture
http://www.acedial.co.uk/~marf/screw.jpg

THe fixing box says says No 5,8,10,12 3.5mm to 5.5mm wood screw

IT says that the screw must penetrate 25mm into the fixing. Fine, the
screw is 25mm long. But the picture on the fixing box shows it
reaching tho the end of the fixing - the fixing is 30mm long and also,
the picture on the box shows it fitting snugly without splitting the
fixing.

Is this the right size fixing for the screw?
And do I just drill a hole and if the hole's too small find a slightly
bigger drill bit. The box says it needs a 6mm masonry drill. But i've
done it before using drill bits and getting bigger until it fits. I
don't know what size my drill bits are but I know that at least one is
an ok size.
http://www.acedial.co.uk/~marf/thebox.jpg

I must admit I am always a little bit confused with plugs and whether I have
got ones big enough! The plug should be a snug fit in the hole - I like them
quite tight and tapping them home lightly with a hammer is better than them
being loose.

That picture looks like the screw has gone in at an angle?

On 26 Oct 2004 10:54:24 -0700, (James
Hanley) wrote:

I bought some equipment it came with screws. It needs screwing into
the wall. So I bought some plugs/fixings from homebase. The end of
the screw doesn't seem to reach the end of the plug/fixing, and it
splits at the bottom.
Here is a picture
http://www.acedial.co.uk/~marf/screw.jpg


You sre putting the Plug into the wall "before inserting the screw?"

Kidding!

1 The plug may be sub standard and brittle !

2 In my experience any screws that I get already included with
equipment that i buy are strange sizes and weak so i use some that i
have pre bought in a pack at a earlier time.

Try a slightly thinner screw ! I think it would still do the job and
yet give the plug less strain !.

Good Luck

Andy

"James Hanley" wrote in message
m...
I bought some equipment it came with screws. It needs screwing into
the wall. So I bought some plugs/fixings from homebase. The end of
the screw doesn't seem to reach the end of the plug/fixing, and it
splits at the bottom.
Here is a picture
http://www.acedial.co.uk/~marf/screw.jpg

THe fixing box says says No 5,8,10,12 3.5mm to 5.5mm wood screw

IT says that the screw must penetrate 25mm into the fixing. Fine, the
screw is 25mm long. But the picture on the fixing box shows it
reaching tho the end of the fixing - the fixing is 30mm long and also,
the picture on the box shows it fitting snugly without splitting the
fixing.

Is this the right size fixing for the screw?
And do I just drill a hole and if the hole's too small find a slightly
bigger drill bit. The box says it needs a 6mm masonry drill. But i've
done it before using drill bits and getting bigger until it fits. I
don't know what size my drill bits are but I know that at least one is
an ok size.
http://www.acedial.co.uk/~marf/thebox.jpg

The plugs you have are suitable for a solid wall, e.g. brick, block, etc.
They are not suitable if it's a plasterboard wall. If it is brick then
drill a 6mm hole at least as deep as the plug is long, insert plug until
it's flush with the wall and then insert the screw. This should be OK for a
No. 6 or 8 screw, however if you are using a No.10 screw you may need to
make the hole 6.5mm diameter. I don't think that whatever you are fixing
can be heavy as the manufacturer would have supplied longer screws than
25mm.

Peter

"Andrew Barnes" wrote in message
...

Are you sure that plug has been in a wall? If it was inside a drilled
hole,
it wouldn't split like that i dont think.


perhaps it is a plasterboard wall?

"Peter Andrews" wrote in message o.uk...
"James Hanley" wrote in message
m...
I bought some equipment it came with screws. It needs screwing into
the wall. So I bought some plugs/fixings from homebase. The end of
the screw doesn't seem to reach the end of the plug/fixing, and it
splits at the bottom.
Here is a picture
http://www.acedial.co.uk/~marf/screw.jpg

THe fixing box says says No 5,8,10,12 3.5mm to 5.5mm wood screw

IT says that the screw must penetrate 25mm into the fixing. Fine, the
screw is 25mm long. But the picture on the fixing box shows it
reaching tho the end of the fixing - the fixing is 30mm long and also,
the picture on the box shows it fitting snugly without splitting the
fixing.

Is this the right size fixing for the screw?
And do I just drill a hole and if the hole's too small find a slightly
bigger drill bit. The box says it needs a 6mm masonry drill. But i've
done it before using drill bits and getting bigger until it fits. I
don't know what size my drill bits are but I know that at least one is
an ok size.
http://www.acedial.co.uk/~marf/thebox.jpg

The plugs you have are suitable for a solid wall, e.g. brick, block, etc.
They are not suitable if it's a plasterboard wall. If it is brick then
drill a 6mm hole at least as deep as the plug is long, insert plug until
it's flush with the wall and then insert the screw. This should be OK for a
No. 6 or 8 screw, however if you are using a No.10 screw you may need to
make the hole 6.5mm diameter. I don't think that whatever you are fixing
can be heavy as the manufacturer would have supplied longer screws than
25mm.

Peter

either the picture on the box of plugs is wrong. Or the plug and screw
aren't matching - perhaps a bad plug. Which is it?

It might be that the wall is plaster, and behind that, brick.

If I can screw in easily, it would have to be plaster, right?

If it is plaster, what plugs do I get? Do I get plugs?

What I am fixing will be carrying up to 15 stone = 210lb = 94kg

It's a chin up bar. I'll start off with just my bodyweight, then do
them with a really heavy rucksuck on.

It's a chin up bar. I'll start off with just my bodyweight, then do
them with a really heavy rucksuck on.

In that case, you need a solid fixing into brick, or at very least, the
framing of a stud wall. I`m slightly paranoid about fixings, but I would
be looking to use a rawlbolt or two personally, and they must go into a
solid wall.

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In that case, you need a solid fixing into brick, or at very least, the
framing of a stud wall. I`m slightly paranoid about fixings, but I would
be looking to use a rawlbolt or two personally, and they must go into a
solid wall.

Agreed. The idea of using a couple of 25mm screws to hold a person's weight
frightens me. I would also be on rawlbolts here, or pre pilot drilled 6mm x
75mm screws into studwork, making sure they're tight, so that the main load
downwards load is taken between the wall and the attached item, rather than
relying on the screw's shear strength.

Christian.

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:53:30 +0100, "Christian McArdle"
wrote:

The idea of using a couple of 25mm screws to hold a person's weight
frightens me.

Chin up bars _between_ walls are easy enough though. Because they
bridge two walls, they're a pure shear load on the fixing, with no
tendency to pull out.


Not that I wouldn't be using some honking-great plug or Rawlbolt
myself.

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Chin up bars _between_ walls are easy enough though. Because they
bridge two walls, they're a pure shear load on the fixing, with no
tendency to pull out.

But it is surely better to relieve the fixing of any shear load by clamping
the attached device to the wall to provide friction between them? Then the
fixing is there purely to provide clamping force and not resist any
downwards force itself.

Christian.

Andy Dingley wrote in message . ..
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:53:30 +0100, "Christian McArdle"
wrote:

The idea of using a couple of 25mm screws to hold a person's weight
frightens me.

Chin up bars _between_ walls are easy enough though. Because they
bridge two walls, they're a pure shear load on the fixing, with no
tendency to pull out.


Not that I wouldn't be using some honking-great plug or Rawlbolt
myself.

what if the wall isn't brick, but is plaster?

On 27 Oct 2004 18:08:47 -0700, James Hanley wrote:

what if the wall isn't brick, but is plaster?

The wall will fall down under it's own weight. Plaster is just a
finish any load bearing, including its weight, is carried by something
else. Either the wall it is stuck to or the framing plasterboard is
fixed to.

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Dave. pam is missing e-mail

On 27 Oct 2004 18:08:47 -0700, (James
Hanley) wrote:

what if the wall isn't brick, but is plaster?

Then you should use whatever is easiest to put up. That way you'll
break a lump out of the wall sooner, realise that such a wall can't
take the load whatever you use, and get on with fixing it more
quickly.

If you live in a recently built house (or anywhere in the USA) then
it's largely impractical to fasten either pull-up bars, punchbags or
climbing walls.

In my place (late 19th) I can hang any weight I like off any wall. But
all fixings need to be three inches long (even for towel rails)
because my strong walls are hidden beneath a century of replastering.

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"Christian McArdle" wrote in message . net...
Chin up bars _between_ walls are easy enough though. Because they
bridge two walls, they're a pure shear load on the fixing, with no
tendency to pull out.

But it is surely better to relieve the fixing of any shear load by clamping
the attached device to the wall to provide friction between them? Then the
fixing is there purely to provide clamping force and not resist any
downwards force itself.

Christian.

the bar is meant to fit between a doorpost(but my doorposts aren't
high enough, so i'm fitting it between 2 walls), does that mean that I
have wood screws and shouldn't be screwing them into a wall?

the bar is meant to fit between a doorpost(but my doorposts aren't
high enough, so i'm fitting it between 2 walls), does that mean that I
have wood screws and shouldn't be screwing them into a wall?

You really need to find out what your wall is made from before you go any
further.

Christian.

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message ill.com...
On 27 Oct 2004 18:08:47 -0700, James Hanley wrote:

what if the wall isn't brick, but is plaster?

The wall will fall down under it's own weight. Plaster is just a
finish any load bearing, including its weight, is carried by something
else. Either the wall it is stuck to or the framing plasterboard is
fixed to.

ok, so would you and adam agree that if I got a wacking great Number 8
3" screw with a wacking great 3" fixing, then it'd go through the
plaster into the brick and do the job?

I think it has to be number 8(i'm assuming that's diamater), because
it came with things that screw into the wall like this

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| |
| |
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So the bar expands into those things. And those things have holes in
them where I screw them into the wall.

I guess I could make the holes bigger and use a thicker screw. But
would a number 8 3" screw go through the plaster into the brick and
do the job?

And what size fixing would I use for a 3" screw? The make i'd use
would be the one people keep mentioning in this thread

I think it has to be number 8(i'm assuming that's diamater), because
it came with things that screw into the wall like this

I only work in metric. For this I would use a minimum of 6mm x 70mm,
assuming normal plaster depth, or rawlbolts. Ensure that you get well into
the brickwork. If it pushes in too easily, you've hit mortar and should
start again somewhere else. Ensure that the screw/bolt is tight. Remember
that its purpose is to pull the bracket onto the wall and it is the
wall/bracket interface that resists downwards movement, not just the
screw/bolt.

Christian.

In article , "James
Hanley" says...
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message ill.com...
On 27 Oct 2004 18:08:47 -0700, James Hanley wrote:

what if the wall isn't brick, but is plaster?

The wall will fall down under it's own weight. Plaster is just a
finish any load bearing, including its weight, is carried by something
else. Either the wall it is stuck to or the framing plasterboard is
fixed to.

ok, so would you and adam agree that if I got a wacking great Number 8
3" screw with a wacking great 3" fixing, then it'd go through the
plaster into the brick and do the job?

I think it has to be number 8(i'm assuming that's diamater), because
it came with things that screw into the wall like this

------- -----
| |
| |
| |
|------ -----

So the bar expands into those things. And those things have holes in
them where I screw them into the wall.

I guess I could make the holes bigger and use a thicker screw. But
would a number 8 3" screw go through the plaster into the brick and
do the job?

And what size fixing would I use for a 3" screw? The make i'd use
would be the one people keep mentioning in this thread

Probably easier to fix a bit of timber to each wall - you can use four
(or more) screws to fix it, so it doesn't matter if the odd one isn't
very secure. Then fix the bar to the timber with the supplied fittings.