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What is the diyprojects.info forum for?
What is the purpose diyprojects.info? As far as I can see it has no
original DIY material at all. Am I being uncharitable in thinking it is simply taking a feed from here (i.e. on the actual uk.d-i-y Usenet Newsgroup) and rec.woodworking in order to draw visitors who might click on their adverts, or is it a useful service? Is it OK to clone a newsgroup onto a website as a 'forum' like that? To give credit, they do say their forums are 'synchronized with Usenet'. Who is it run by - the site seems anonymous? To be fair, the ads are pretty innocuous, and probably useful for DIY and Woodworking, I just wondered what this is all about and what people here think about it. Phil The uk.d-i-y FAQ is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ Remove NOSPAM from address to email me |
Phil Addison wrote:
What is the purpose diyprojects.info? As far as I can see it has no original DIY material at all. http://www.diyprojects.info/ - hmm, ISWYM. Am I being uncharitable in thinking it is simply taking a feed from here (i.e. on the actual uk.d-i-y Usenet Newsgroup) and rec.woodworking in order to draw visitors who might click on their adverts, or is it a useful service? I suppose it could be useful to people who haven't discovered Usenet or Google Groups. Is it OK to clone a newsgroup onto a website as a 'forum' like that? To give credit, they do say their forums are 'synchronized with Usenet'. Good question. Dunno, but I'd be interested in what others think. Who is it run by - the site seems anonymous? A whois lookup reveals /inter alia/: Domain ID:D295418-LRMS Domain Name:DIYPROJECTS.INFO Created On:13-Sep-2001 06:07:50 UTC Last Updated On:13-Sep-2004 15:42:22 UTC Expiration Date:13-Sep-2005 06:07:50 UTC Sponsoring Registrar:R139-LRMS Status:ACTIVE Status:OK Registrant ID:C5755079-LRMS Registrant Name:The Hostmaster Registrant Organization:Web-S-Sense Pty. Ltd. Registrant Street1:P.O. Box 110 Registrant City:Surrey Downs Registrant State/Province:SA Registrant Postal Code:5126 Registrant Country:AU Registrant Phone:+61.0408827991 Registrant To be fair, the ads are pretty innocuous, and probably useful for DIY and Woodworking, I just wondered what this is all about and what people here think about it. "Ads by Google" seems to be the clue - click on it... quote from https://www.google.com/adsense/?sourceid=aso&subid=WW-ET-ADSBY2 " When you join the AdSense programme, you can: * Make money when visitors click on ads associated with your site. * Enhance your visitors' online experience with ads that are relevant to what they see on your pages. * Increase repeat visits by adding a Google search box to your site. * Manage your account and track earnings online with easy-to-use tools. * Get started fast and pay nothing to participate. Once approved, you start serving ads in minutes. /quote So we do all the work and Web-S-Sense Pty. Ltd. rakes in the dosh. -- Andy |
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:41:02 +0100, Andy Wade wrote:
What is the purpose diyprojects.info? As far as I can see it has no original DIY material at all. http://www.diyprojects.info/ - hmm, ISWYM. Just another slow an clunky interface for those who haven't found a proper newsreader yet? So we do all the work and Web-S-Sense Pty. Ltd. rakes in the dosh. Only if people click on the ads... Now I wonder how clever its quote detection is? a Quote or not is this or that - quote? DL Is this? -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
In message , Andy Wade
writes Phil Addison wrote: What is the purpose diyprojects.info? As far as I can see it has no original DIY material at all. http://www.diyprojects.info/ - hmm, ISWYM. Am I being uncharitable in thinking it is simply taking a feed from here (i.e. on the actual uk.d-i-y Usenet Newsgroup) and rec.woodworking in order to draw visitors who might click on their adverts, or is it a useful service? I suppose it could be useful to people who haven't discovered Usenet or Google Groups. Err what people? "Users browsing this forum: None" Whatever, Maybe a complaint should be sent to the ISP, not quite sure what the best grounds would be. If people put a disclaimer that their postings are not to be used by www.diyprojects.info, there would be grounds to stop them Cheeky buggers -- geoff |
In message , Andy Wade
writes Phil Addison wrote: What is the purpose diyprojects.info? As far as I can see it has no original DIY material at all. http://www.diyprojects.info/ - hmm, ISWYM. How about "The information contained in this post may not be published in, or used by http://www.diyprojects.info" -- geoff |
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:12:06 GMT, raden wrote:
In message , Andy Wade writes Phil Addison wrote: What is the purpose diyprojects.info? As far as I can see it has no original DIY material at all. http://www.diyprojects.info/ - hmm, ISWYM. Am I being uncharitable in thinking it is simply taking a feed from here (i.e. on the actual uk.d-i-y Usenet Newsgroup) and rec.woodworking in order to draw visitors who might click on their adverts, or is it a useful service? I suppose it could be useful to people who haven't discovered Usenet or Google Groups. Err what people? "Users browsing this forum: None" Whatever, Maybe a complaint should be sent to the ISP, not quite sure what the best grounds would be. If people put a disclaimer that their postings are not to be used by www.diyprojects.info, there would be grounds to stop them Cheeky buggers That was my initial reaction, and still is, but then I thought 'what about google?', google re-posts newsgroups and we like google. The difference is that google gives a huge benefit in return by way of archiving, indexing and searching. Phil The uk.d-i-y FAQ is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ Remove NOSPAM from address to email me |
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:31:31 GMT, raden wrote:
In message , Andy Wade writes Phil Addison wrote: What is the purpose diyprojects.info? As far as I can see it has no original DIY material at all. http://www.diyprojects.info/ - hmm, ISWYM. How about "The information contained in this post may not be published in, or used by http://www.diyprojects.info" Or drawing on the FAQ copyright, cover for other domains this outfit may have, something like: "© Copyright 2004. All parts of this Usenet posting are Copyright by the author. It may not be sold in any medium, including electronic, CD-ROM, or database, packaged with any commercial product, or published in print or electronic form without the explicit written permission of the author. The copyright of included material belongs to the original author." Phil The uk.d-i-y FAQ is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ Remove NOSPAM from address to email me © Copyright 2004. All parts of this Usenet posting are Copyright by the author. It may not be sold in any medium, including electronic, CD-ROM, or database, packaged with any commercial product, or published in print or electronic form without the explicit written permission of the author. The copyright of included material belongs to the original author. |
In message , Phil Addison
writes On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:31:31 GMT, raden wrote: In message , Andy Wade writes Phil Addison wrote: What is the purpose diyprojects.info? As far as I can see it has no original DIY material at all. http://www.diyprojects.info/ - hmm, ISWYM. How about "The information contained in this post may not be published in, or used by http://www.diyprojects.info" Or drawing on the FAQ copyright, cover for other domains this outfit may have, something like: "© Copyright 2004. All parts of this Usenet posting are Copyright by the author. It may not be sold in any medium, including electronic, CD-ROM, or database, packaged with any commercial product, or published in print or electronic form without the explicit written permission of the author. The copyright of included material belongs to the original author." But a specific disclaimer such as I've written means that they are in direct contravention of the poster's wishes and there can be no "I didn't see it" excuse copy my disclaimer or come up with a better one, but let's stop this. Phil The uk.d-i-y FAQ is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ Remove NOSPAM from address to email me © Copyright 2004. All parts of this Usenet posting are Copyright by the author. It may not be sold in any medium, including electronic, CD-ROM, or database, packaged with any commercial product, or published in print or electronic form without the explicit written permission of the author. The copyright of included material belongs to the original author. The information contained in this post may not be published in, or used by http://www.diyprojects.info -- geoff |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message , Phil Addison writes On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:31:31 GMT, raden wrote: In message , Andy Wade writes Phil Addison wrote: What is the purpose diyprojects.info? As far as I can see it has no original DIY material at all. http://www.diyprojects.info/ - hmm, ISWYM. How about "The information contained in this post may not be published in, or used by http://www.diyprojects.info" Or drawing on the FAQ copyright, cover for other domains this outfit may have, something like: "© Copyright 2004. All parts of this Usenet posting are Copyright by the author. It may not be sold in any medium, including electronic, CD-ROM, or database, packaged with any commercial product, or published in print or electronic form without the explicit written permission of the author. The copyright of included material belongs to the original author." But a specific disclaimer such as I've written means that they are in direct contravention of the poster's wishes and there can be no "I didn't see it" excuse copy my disclaimer or come up with a better one, but let's stop this. Phil The uk.d-i-y FAQ is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ Remove NOSPAM from address to email me © Copyright 2004. All parts of this Usenet posting are Copyright by the author. It may not be sold in any medium, including electronic, CD-ROM, or database, packaged with any commercial product, or published in print or electronic form without the explicit written permission of the author. The copyright of included material belongs to the original author. The information contained in this post may not be published in, or used by http://www.diyprojects.info -- geoff Just thought you might likr to know that all of this thread, including Geoff's last one, has appeared on the forum. So it would appear that the copyrights are being ignored. Anyone for netcopping? Cheers Mark Spice |
Mark Spice wrote: Just thought you might likr to know that all of this thread, including Geoff's last one, has appeared on the forum. So it would appear that the copyrights are being ignored. Anyone for netcopping? Cheers Mark Spice Am I right in thinking that only sequential replies are copied onto DIY wotsit? My reply to Hugo's thread about Poterton hasn't been copied (yet?) Richard -- Real email address is RJS at BIGFOOT dot COM The information contained in this post may not be published in, or used by http://www.diyprojects.info |
raden wrote in :
Err what people? "Users browsing this forum: None" I'm a bit miffed - I was there, don't I count as people? They are buggers, though, should certainly be stopped. mike |
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:40:43 UTC, mike ring
wrote: raden wrote in : Err what people? "Users browsing this forum: None" I'm a bit miffed - I was there, don't I count as people? They are buggers, though, should certainly be stopped. Indeed...now, what is the best way? -- The information contained in this post may not be published in, or used by http://www.diyprojects.info |
24hr helpdesk found that putting a major collection of foul language into the replies caused the ISP to pull the plug. Not at all keen, but a thought. Regards Capitol |
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:12:39 +0100, John Rumm
wrote: raden wrote: But a specific disclaimer such as I've written means that they are in direct contravention of the poster's wishes and there can be no "I didn't see it" excuse copy my disclaimer or come up with a better one, but let's stop this. Would they not be able to argue however, that your post was already in the public domain and hence they can not be held liable for simply repeating it? Nope - see Myth number 3 of "10 Big Myths about copyright explained" http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html Phil The uk.d-i-y FAQ is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ Remove NOSPAM from address to email me |
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:09:32 GMT, raden wrote:
In message , Phil Addison writes On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:31:31 GMT, raden wrote: How about "The information contained in this post may not be published in, or used by http://www.diyprojects.info" Or drawing on the FAQ copyright, cover for other domains this outfit may have, something like: "© Copyright 2004. All parts of this Usenet posting are Copyright by the author. It may not be sold in any medium, including electronic, CD-ROM, or database, packaged with any commercial product, or published in print or electronic form without the explicit written permission of the author. The copyright of included material belongs to the original author." But a specific disclaimer such as I've written means that they are in direct contravention of the poster's wishes and there can be no "I didn't see it" excuse copy my disclaimer or come up with a better one, but let's stop this. Doh! I thought I did. However, I've looked at http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html since I posted and it seems that you don't *have* to mark your stuff as copyright at all for it still to be copyright, but it does help to put the standard notice on it, namely "Copyright [dates] by [author/owner]". Essentially everything you publish is automatically your copyright. The big question is, what do you do if its violated? Answer is, sue 'em. Problem is, you need to sue for some demonstratable amount of monetary damages, and I think there is not much chance unless we all were to be in the process of publishing it ourselves as say a book, and have now lost the chance of selling m/any copies. Don't know what, if any, difference the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (USA) will make, nor what effect international jurisdiction has. Definitely a case of IANAL. Phil The uk.d-i-y FAQ is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ Remove NOSPAM from address to email me |
Phil Addison wrote:
Essentially everything you publish is automatically your copyright. The big question is, what do you do if its violated? Answer is, sue 'em. Problem is, you need to sue for some demonstratable amount of monetary damages, and I think there is not much chance unless we all were to be in the process of publishing it ourselves as say a book, and have now lost the chance of selling m/any copies. Don't know what, if any, difference the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (USA) will make, nor what effect international jurisdiction has. Definitely a case of IANAL. I think a key argument would be that fact that (as already mentioned) Google (and before it Deja) does the same thing. I have to say, while I think it's a little cheeky, I'm not really bothered by it at all. They aren't going to make their fortune selling Adwords on that site. If it becomes more successful, it's likely to cost them more in hosting than it will make them anyway. So who cares? -- Grunff |
raden wrote:
But a specific disclaimer such as I've written means that they are in direct contravention of the poster's wishes and there can be no "I didn't see it" excuse copy my disclaimer or come up with a better one, but let's stop this. Would they not be able to argue however, that your post was already in the public domain and hence they can not be held liable for simply repeating it? -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
"Mark Spice" wrote in message ... "raden" wrote in message ... In message , Phil Addison writes On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:31:31 GMT, raden wrote: In message , Andy Wade writes Phil Addison wrote: What is the purpose diyprojects.info? As far as I can see it has no original DIY material at all. http://www.diyprojects.info/ - hmm, ISWYM. How about "The information contained in this post may not be published in, or used by http://www.diyprojects.info" Or drawing on the FAQ copyright, cover for other domains this outfit may have, something like: "© Copyright 2004. All parts of this Usenet posting are Copyright by the author. It may not be sold in any medium, including electronic, CD-ROM, or database, packaged with any commercial product, or published in or electronic form without the explicit written permission of the author. The copyright of included material belongs to the original author." But a specific disclaimer such as I've written means that they are in direct contravention of the poster's wishes and there can be no "I didn't see it" excuse copy my disclaimer or come up with a better one, but let's stop this. Phil The uk.d-i-y FAQ is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ Remove NOSPAM from address to email me © Copyright 2004. All parts of this Usenet posting are Copyright by the author. It may not be sold in any medium, including electronic, CD-ROM, or database, packaged with any commercial product, or published in print or electronic form without the explicit written permission of the author. The copyright of included material belongs to the original author. The information contained in this post may not be published in, or used by http://www.diyprojects.info Just thought you might likr to know that all of this thread, including Geoff's last one, has appeared on the forum. So it would appear that the copyrights are being ignored. Anyone for netcopping? Cheers Mark Spice If you post on the web site, does it appear here? It appears they have some software that automatically sends the post from here to the web site. |
Phil Addison wrote:
Would they not be able to argue however, that your post was already in the public domain and hence they can not be held liable for simply repeating it? Nope - see Myth number 3 of "10 Big Myths about copyright explained" http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html I assume the same applies in UK & Aus law? What about the "you don't seem to mind google archiving it" angle? I expect if people object to their posts being reproduced, the first thing to do would be to request the site maintainers delete exisiting posts and then not archive new ones. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:44:50 +0100 (BST), Dave Liquorice wrote:
Now I wonder how clever its quote detection is? a Quote or not is this or that All those it sees as a single quote. - quote? DL Is this? Those aren't quotes according to the site, time to change my quote prefix. B-) Got 9 "members" wow... Oh and with google you have the option of using the X-No-Archive header or tag in the posting body. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
John Rumm wrote:
I expect if people object to their posts being reproduced, the first thing to do would be to request the site maintainers delete exisiting posts and then not archive new ones. I wonder if it respects the X-no-archive "yes" header. -- Andy |
"IMM" wrote in :
If you post on the web site, does it appear here? It appears they have some software that automatically sends the post from here to the web site. From my quick visit, it seems that posting is not allowed - it implies it is, but all the threads have closed symbols mike |
Andy Wade wrote in news:417309b7$0$22765
: I wonder if it respects the X-no-archive "yes" header. I'm sure *I* would if I knew what it was mike |
"mike ring" wrote in message 52.50... "IMM" wrote in : If you post on the web site, does it appear here? It appears they have some software that automatically sends the post from here to the web site. From my quick visit, it seems that posting is not allowed - it implies it is, but all the threads have closed symbols mike So it's not a Google type of site. |
"IMM" wrote in :
From my quick visit, it seems that posting is not allowed - it implies it is, but all the threads have closed symbols mike So it's not a Google type of site. I'm afraid I'm not at all up on this sniff failed again mike |
In message , Mark Spice
writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message , Phil Addison writes On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:31:31 GMT, raden wrote: In message , Andy Wade writes Phil Addison wrote: What is the purpose diyprojects.info? As far as I can see it has no original DIY material at all. http://www.diyprojects.info/ - hmm, ISWYM. How about "The information contained in this post may not be published in, or used by http://www.diyprojects.info" Or drawing on the FAQ copyright, cover for other domains this outfit may have, something like: "© Copyright 2004. All parts of this Usenet posting are Copyright by the author. It may not be sold in any medium, including electronic, CD-ROM, or database, packaged with any commercial product, or published in print or electronic form without the explicit written permission of the author. The copyright of included material belongs to the original author." But a specific disclaimer such as I've written means that they are in direct contravention of the poster's wishes and there can be no "I didn't see it" excuse copy my disclaimer or come up with a better one, but let's stop this. Phil The uk.d-i-y FAQ is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ Remove NOSPAM from address to email me © Copyright 2004. All parts of this Usenet posting are Copyright by the author. It may not be sold in any medium, including electronic, CD-ROM, or database, packaged with any commercial product, or published in print or electronic form without the explicit written permission of the author. The copyright of included material belongs to the original author. The information contained in this post may not be published in, or used by http://www.diyprojects.info -- geoff Just thought you might likr to know that all of this thread, including Geoff's last one, has appeared on the forum. So it would appear that the copyrights are being ignored. Anyone for netcopping? Yup. Who's hosting the website? I know it was posted yesterday, but I expired a load of N/g stuff earlier this evening The information contained in this post may not be published in, or used by http://www.diyprojects.info -- geoff |
In message , Phil Addison
writes On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:09:32 GMT, raden wrote: In message , Phil Addison writes On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:31:31 GMT, raden wrote: How about "The information contained in this post may not be published in, or used by http://www.diyprojects.info" Or drawing on the FAQ copyright, cover for other domains this outfit may have, something like: "© Copyright 2004. All parts of this Usenet posting are Copyright by the author. It may not be sold in any medium, including electronic, CD-ROM, or database, packaged with any commercial product, or published in print or electronic form without the explicit written permission of the author. The copyright of included material belongs to the original author." But a specific disclaimer such as I've written means that they are in direct contravention of the poster's wishes and there can be no "I didn't see it" excuse copy my disclaimer or come up with a better one, but let's stop this. Doh! I thought I did. However, I've looked at http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html since I posted and it seems that you don't *have* to mark your stuff as copyright at all for it still to be copyright, but it does help to put the standard notice on it, namely "Copyright [dates] by [author/owner]". Essentially everything you publish is automatically your copyright. The big question is, what do you do if its violated? Answer is, sue 'em. Problem is, you need to sue for some demonstratable amount of monetary damages, and I think there is not much chance unless we all were to be in the process of publishing it ourselves as say a book, and have now lost the chance of selling m/any copies. Don't know what, if any, difference the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (USA) will make, nor what effect international jurisdiction has. Definitely a case of IANAL. Does whoever hosts the site have a policy on this ? -- geoff |
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:01:38 GMT, raden wrote:
In message , Mark Spice writes Just thought you might likr to know that all of this thread, including Geoff's last one, has appeared on the forum. So it would appear that the copyrights are being ignored. Anyone for netcopping? Yup. Who's hosting the website? I know it was posted yesterday, but I expired a load of N/g stuff earlier this evening This is what Andy Wade posted on Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:41:02 +0100 /Quote/ A whois lookup reveals /inter alia/: Domain ID:D295418-LRMS Domain Name:DIYPROJECTS.INFO Created On:13-Sep-2001 06:07:50 UTC Last Updated On:13-Sep-2004 15:42:22 UTC Expiration Date:13-Sep-2005 06:07:50 UTC Sponsoring Registrar:R139-LRMS Status:ACTIVE Status:OK Registrant ID:C5755079-LRMS Registrant Name:The Hostmaster Registrant Organization:Web-S-Sense Pty. Ltd. Registrant Street1:P.O. Box 110 Registrant City:Surrey Downs Registrant State/Province:SA Registrant Postal Code:5126 Registrant Country:AU Registrant Phone:+61.0408827991 Registrant /End Quote/ Phil The uk.d-i-y FAQ is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ Remove NOSPAM from address to email me |
X-no-archive "yes"
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 01:11:29 +0100, Andy Wade wrote: John Rumm wrote: I expect if people object to their posts being reproduced, the first thing to do would be to request the site maintainers delete exisiting posts and then not archive new ones. I wonder if it respects the X-no-archive "yes" header. Not if this one gets through. Phil The uk.d-i-y FAQ is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ Remove NOSPAM from address to email me |
mike ring wrote:
I wonder if it respects the X-no-archive "yes" header. I'm sure *I* would if I knew what it was http://explanation-guide.info/meaning/X-No-Archive.html -- Andy |
In message , Phil Addison
writes On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:01:38 GMT, raden wrote: In message , Mark Spice writes Just thought you might likr to know that all of this thread, including Geoff's last one, has appeared on the forum. So it would appear that the copyrights are being ignored. Anyone for netcopping? Yup. Who's hosting the website? I know it was posted yesterday, but I expired a load of N/g stuff earlier this evening This is what Andy Wade posted on Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:41:02 +0100 /Quote/ A whois lookup reveals /inter alia/: Domain ID:D295418-LRMS Domain Name:DIYPROJECTS.INFO Created On:13-Sep-2001 06:07:50 UTC Last Updated On:13-Sep-2004 15:42:22 UTC Expiration Date:13-Sep-2005 06:07:50 UTC Sponsoring Registrar:R139-LRMS Status:ACTIVE Status:OK Registrant ID:C5755079-LRMS Registrant Name:The Hostmaster Registrant Organization:Web-S-Sense Pty. Ltd. Registrant Street1:P.O. Box 110 Registrant City:Surrey Downs Registrant State/Province:SA Registrant Postal Code:5126 Registrant Country:AU Registrant Phone:+61.0408827991 Registrant /End Quote/ That's the one , cheers The information contained in this post may not be published in, or used by http://www.diyprojects.info -- geoff |
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mike ring writes: "IMM" wrote in : If you post on the web site, does it appear here? It appears they have some software that automatically sends the post from here to the web site. From my quick visit, it seems that posting is not allowed - it implies it is, but all the threads have closed symbols It is somehow -- look for the broken postings from: lid (Gayton) which include: User-Agent: newsSync (DIYprojects.info) Unfortunately, newsSync (at least as configured on DIYprojects.info) is generating broken articles. -- Andrew Gabriel Consultant Software Engineer |
In message , raden
writes In message , Phil Addison writes On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:01:38 GMT, raden wrote: In message , Mark Spice writes Just thought you might likr to know that all of this thread, including Geoff's last one, has appeared on the forum. So it would appear that the copyrights are being ignored. Anyone for netcopping? Yup. Who's hosting the website? I know it was posted yesterday, but I expired a load of N/g stuff earlier this evening This is what Andy Wade posted on Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:41:02 +0100 /Quote/ A whois lookup reveals /inter alia/: Domain ID:D295418-LRMS Domain Name:DIYPROJECTS.INFO Created On:13-Sep-2001 06:07:50 UTC Last Updated On:13-Sep-2004 15:42:22 UTC Expiration Date:13-Sep-2005 06:07:50 UTC Sponsoring Registrar:R139-LRMS Status:ACTIVE Status:OK Registrant ID:C5755079-LRMS Registrant Name:The Hostmaster Registrant Organization:Web-S-Sense Pty. Ltd. Registrant Street1:P.O. Box 110 Registrant City:Surrey Downs Registrant State/Province:SA Registrant Postal Code:5126 Registrant Country:AU Registrant Phone:+61.0408827991 Registrant /End Quote/ That's the one , cheers So who hosts the site? Web-S_Sense I presume are the owners The information contained in this post may not be published in, or used by http://www.diyprojects.info -- geoff |
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:11:25 GMT, raden wrote:
In message , raden writes In message , Phil Addison writes On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:01:38 GMT, raden wrote: In message , Mark Spice writes Just thought you might likr to know that all of this thread, including Geoff's last one, has appeared on the forum. So it would appear that the copyrights are being ignored. Anyone for netcopping? Yup. Who's hosting the website? I know it was posted yesterday, but I expired a load of N/g stuff earlier this evening This is what Andy Wade posted on Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:41:02 +0100 /Quote/ A whois lookup reveals /inter alia/: Domain ID:D295418-LRMS Domain Name:DIYPROJECTS.INFO Created On:13-Sep-2001 06:07:50 UTC Last Updated On:13-Sep-2004 15:42:22 UTC Expiration Date:13-Sep-2005 06:07:50 UTC Sponsoring Registrar:R139-LRMS Status:ACTIVE Status:OK Registrant ID:C5755079-LRMS Registrant Name:The Hostmaster Registrant Organization:Web-S-Sense Pty. Ltd. Registrant Street1:P.O. Box 110 Registrant City:Surrey Downs Registrant State/Province:SA Registrant Postal Code:5126 Registrant Country:AU Registrant Phone:+61.0408827991 Registrant /End Quote/ That's the one , cheers So who hosts the site? Web-S_Sense I presume are the owners Have a look at http://www.web-s-sense.com/ "What we do: Our primary area of expertise is developing and promoting technology portals, and placing highly targeted advertisement to reach large audiences of computer professionals." The host, according to SamSpade, is theplanet.com, and you want SamSpade: dns www.diyprojects.info Canonical name: www.diyprojects.info Addresses: 69.93.160.210 IP block 69.93.160.210 Trying 69.93.160.210 at ARIN Trying 69.93.160 at ARIN OrgName: ThePlanet.com Internet Services, Inc. OrgID: TPCM Address: 1333 North Stemmons Freeway Address: Suite 110 City: Dallas StateProv: TX PostalCode: 75207 Country: US ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.theplanet.com:4321 NetRange: 69.93.0.0 - 69.93.255.255 CIDR: 69.93.0.0/16 NetName: NETBLK-THEPLANET-BLK-9 NetHandle: NET-69-93-0-0-1 Parent: NET-69-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Allocation NameServer: NS1.THEPLANET.COM NameServer: NS2.THEPLANET.COM Comment: RegDate: 2003-11-19 Updated: 2004-03-15 TechHandle: PP46-ARIN TechName: Pathos, Peter TechPhone: +1-214-782-7800 TechEmail: OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE271-ARIN OrgAbuseName: Abuse OrgAbusePhone: +1-214-782-7802 OrgAbuseEmail: OrgNOCHandle: TECHN33-ARIN OrgNOCName: Technical Support OrgNOCPhone: +1-214-782-7800 OrgNOCEmail: OrgTechHandle: TECHN33-ARIN OrgTechName: Technical Support OrgTechPhone: +1-214-782-7800 OrgTechEmail: Phil The uk.d-i-y FAQ is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ Remove NOSPAM from address to email me |
"Grunff" wrote in message ... Phil Addison wrote: Essentially everything you publish is automatically your copyright. The big question is, what do you do if its violated? Answer is, sue 'em. Problem is, you need to sue for some demonstratable amount of monetary damages, and I think there is not much chance unless we all were to be in the process of publishing it ourselves as say a book, and have now lost the chance of selling m/any copies. Don't know what, if any, difference the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (USA) will make, nor what effect international jurisdiction has. Definitely a case of IANAL. I think a key argument would be that fact that (as already mentioned) Google (and before it Deja) does the same thing. I have to say, while I think it's a little cheeky, I'm not really bothered by it at all. They aren't going to make their fortune selling Adwords on that site. If it becomes more successful, it's likely to cost them more in hosting than it will make them anyway. So who cares? The problem will be when people start using the site to post messages - then broken news messages start appearing on here. Al |
"Phil Addison" wrote in message
... What is the purpose diyprojects.info? As far as I can see it has no original DIY material at all. Am I being uncharitable in thinking it is simply taking a feed from here (i.e. on the actual uk.d-i-y Usenet Newsgroup) and rec.woodworking in order to draw visitors who might click on their adverts, or is it a useful service? Is it OK to clone a newsgroup onto a website as a 'forum' like that? To give credit, they do say their forums are 'synchronized with Usenet'. Who is it run by - the site seems anonymous? seems to be a valid address. Doesn't mean anyone is reading it of course. Al |
On 18 Oct 2004 23:56:37 GMT, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article 0, mike ring writes: "IMM" wrote in : If you post on the web site, does it appear here? It appears they have some software that automatically sends the post from here to the web site. From my quick visit, it seems that posting is not allowed - it implies it is, but all the threads have closed symbols It is somehow -- look for the broken postings from: lid (Gayton) which include: User-Agent: newsSync (DIYprojects.info) Unfortunately, newsSync (at least as configured on DIYprojects.info) is generating broken articles. There is a register link at the top of the page, which presumably lets you post. There is also a memberlist link at the bottom, which shows there massive memberlist of 11 members (including Gayton). Only 4 of these members have actually posted anything. |
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: There is a register link at the top of the page, which presumably lets you post. I saw that, but you can go first! mike |
Andy Wade wrote in news:41744f8f$0$22747
: mike ring wrote: I wonder if it respects the X-no-archive "yes" header. I'm sure *I* would if I knew what it was http://explanation-guide.info/meaning/X-No-Archive.html Ta, (nice site too, but HTF would you know to look there?) mike |
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writes Grunff writes: Phil Addison wrote: Essentially everything you publish is automatically your copyright. The big question is, what do you do if its violated? Answer is, sue 'em. Problem is, you need to sue for some demonstratable amount of monetary damages, and I think there is not much chance unless we all were to be in the process of publishing it ourselves as say a book, and have now lost the chance of selling m/any copies. Don't know what, if any, difference the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (USA) will make, nor what effect international jurisdiction has. Definitely a case of IANAL. I think a key argument would be that fact that (as already mentioned) Google (and before it Deja) does the same thing. And if you write to them, specifically denying them the right, they can and will remove your material. I personally have no problem with search engines archiving my or anyone else's articles. I don't see diyprojects as being in the same game The information contained in this post may not be published in, or used by http://www.diyprojects.info -- geoff |
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