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Arthur

On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:34:11 +0000 (UTC), "Arthur"
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Any opinions on this?

http://www.lidl.co.uk/gb/index.nsf/p....p.Productname

Arthur



There's a bunch of missing information in the advertisement.

They quote a power input and not a power output. This is meaningless
because differing motor efficiencies result in widely differing output
powers. Low cost tools are not renowned for having good motor
efficiency.

There is no mention of the weight. Typically, entry level SDS
machines are quite heavy. That's fine if it's what you want, but a
4kg SDS drill without good motor power is going to be a pain.

They have been factual, but misleading about the price differential.
You can get one of the mentioned Bosch drills for about £100.

When budgetting for this type of tool, consider it to have a lifetime
equal to the warranty. It is unlikely that there are repair
facilities or spares.
A £50 price point is above that for the real entry level which could
be argued to be disposable and quite close to getting something a lot
better.

One can get a Bosch PBH2200RE for £90 or a Bosch Professional
GBH2-20SRE for £80.

If you want something rather better for lots of work, then there are a
whole bunch at just over £100.



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On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:13:32 +0100, Andy Hall
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When budgetting for this type of tool, consider it to have a lifetime
equal to the warranty. It is unlikely that there are repair
facilities or spares.
A £50 price point is above that for the real entry level which could
be argued to be disposable and quite close to getting something a lot
better.

having said that, I have generally found lidl "Parkside" power tools
to be mid range, in terms of quality. ime, they certainly don't
qualify for "entry level" status.

Probably the best thing to do is go and have a look and make your
decision based on actually seeing the tool.

I'd be interested to find out who actually makes Lidl power tools as
they obviously don't make them themselves.

sPoNiX

having said that, I have generally found lidl "Parkside" power tools
to be mid range, in terms of quality. ime, they certainly don't
qualify for "entry level" status.

Probably the best thing to do is go and have a look and make your
decision based on actually seeing the tool.


My Dad bought one of these the last time they had them. I haven't used it
but it looked nicely made and he seems quite chuffed with it. It might not
be as solid as my Kress(?) made Wickes SDS but that was £135 a few years
back. I suppose that being Lidl it has a 3 year warranty in which case I
would say it's pretty good value.

As for all this "if you're going to spend £50 then you might as well spend a
£100" then all can I can say is, what a load of old bollox?

Sam

Sam wrote:

As for all this "if you're going to spend £50 then you might as well spend a
£100" then all can I can say is, what a load of old bollox?

Obviously someone who uses a lot of tools then...

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Sam wrote:

As for all this "if you're going to spend £50 then you might as well
spend a £100" then all can I can say is, what a load of old bollox?

Obviously someone who uses a lot of tools then...

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Obviously someone who uses a lot of value tools then.....

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having said that, I have generally found lidl "Parkside" power tools
to be mid range, in terms of quality. ime, they certainly don't
qualify for "entry level" status.

Probably the best thing to do is go and have a look and make your
decision based on actually seeing the tool.


My Dad bought one of these the last time they had them. I haven't used it
but it looked nicely made and he seems quite chuffed with it. It might not
be as solid as my Kress(?) made Wickes SDS but that was £135 a few years
back. I suppose that being Lidl it has a 3 year warranty in which case I
would say it's pretty good value.

As for all this "if you're going to spend £50 then you might as well spend
a
£100" then all can I can say is, what a load of old bollox?

If you are spending £100 then buy two if they are well made.

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having said that, I have generally found lidl "Parkside" power tools
to be mid range, in terms of quality. ime, they certainly don't
qualify for "entry level" status.

Probably the best thing to do is go and have a look and make your
decision based on actually seeing the tool.


My Dad bought one of these the last time they had them. I haven't used it
but it looked nicely made and he seems quite chuffed with it. It might not
be as solid as my Kress(?) made Wickes SDS but that was £135 a few years
back. I suppose that being Lidl it has a 3 year warranty in which case I
would say it's pretty good value.

As for all this "if you're going to spend £50 then you might as well spend
a
£100" then all can I can say is, what a load of old bollox?

If you are spending £100 then buy two if they are well made.

A lose-lose situation :-)


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On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:21:39 +0100, "Sam" wrote:



having said that, I have generally found lidl "Parkside" power tools
to be mid range, in terms of quality. ime, they certainly don't
qualify for "entry level" status.

Probably the best thing to do is go and have a look and make your
decision based on actually seeing the tool.


My Dad bought one of these the last time they had them. I haven't used it
but it looked nicely made and he seems quite chuffed with it. It might not
be as solid as my Kress(?) made Wickes SDS but that was £135 a few years
back. I suppose that being Lidl it has a 3 year warranty in which case I
would say it's pretty good value.

As for all this "if you're going to spend £50 then you might as well spend a
£100" then all can I can say is, what a load of old bollox?

Sam

That's understandable if you view Kress as being solid.



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On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:21:39 +0100, "Sam" wrote:



having said that, I have generally found lidl "Parkside" power tools
to be mid range, in terms of quality. ime, they certainly don't
qualify for "entry level" status.

Probably the best thing to do is go and have a look and make your
decision based on actually seeing the tool.


My Dad bought one of these the last time they had them. I haven't used
it
but it looked nicely made and he seems quite chuffed with it. It might
not
be as solid as my Kress(?) made Wickes SDS but that was £135 a few years
back. I suppose that being Lidl it has a 3 year warranty in which case I
would say it's pretty good value.

As for all this "if you're going to spend £50 then you might as well
spend a
£100" then all can I can say is, what a load of old bollox?

Sam

That's understandable if you view Kress as being solid.

What experience do you have of Kress?

In article , Andy Hall
wrote:
That's understandable if you view Kress as being solid.

My Wickes SDS certainly seems to be. I don't know whether they read
this group but noted that the Wickes latest price book says 'Made in
Germany' or 'Made in Switzerland' against all their grey pro tools

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sPoNiX typed:


I'd be interested to find out who actually makes Lidl power tools as
they obviously don't make them themselves.

sPoNiX

Parkside are made in China, in the same factory that make most of the B&Q
range of Pro tools, but to German spec and manufacturing tolerances.
Value for money ?
Depends how much disposable income you have
And how often you are likely to be using it
But not if you are the type that likes bragging on newsgroups that you only
ever buy the best and anything cheep is unusable and only fit for Pikies.

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 23:18:38 GMT, "Mark" wrote:

sPoNiX typed:


I'd be interested to find out who actually makes Lidl power tools as
they obviously don't make them themselves.

sPoNiX

Parkside are made in China, in the same factory that make most of the B&Q
range of Pro tools, but to German spec and manufacturing tolerances.

What is a "German spec and manufacturing tolerance"?

That's a completely meaningless statement.

What about quality control, supervision and service backup?

Are you seriously suggesting that these Chinese products are of the
same quality as Metabo, Festo and their ilk?

Value for money ?
Depends how much disposable income you have
And how often you are likely to be using it

It also depends on the ease and safety of use and for some tools the
accuracy required.



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On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 23:18:38 GMT, "Mark" wrote:

sPoNiX typed:


I'd be interested to find out who actually makes Lidl power tools as
they obviously don't make them themselves.

sPoNiX

Parkside are made in China, in the same factory that make most of the B&Q
range of Pro tools, but to German spec and manufacturing tolerances.

What is a "German spec and manufacturing tolerance"?

Higher than Japanese.

That's a completely meaningless statement.

What about quality control, supervision and service backup?

Are you seriously suggesting that these Chinese products are of the
same quality as Metabo, Festo and their ilk?

Value for money ?
Depends how much disposable income you have
And how often you are likely to be using it

It also depends on the ease and safety of use and for some tools the
accuracy required.

The factory in China also make parts for Makita's and I believe some whole
units are made there. They will make any tool to any quality and spec.

Accuracy? Well that counts out DeWally.

Andy Hall am typed:

Parkside are made in China, in the same factory that make most of
the B&Q range of Pro tools, but to German spec and manufacturing
tolerances.

What is a "German spec and manufacturing tolerance"?

That's a completely meaningless statement.

In general the Germans are for more quality sensitive then us.
A friend imports and distributes engineering machinery from that same
factory, you can have one of their standard milling machines/lathes or one
that has passed QC standards for sale to the German market, but they cost
15% more.

Are you seriously suggesting that these Chinese products are of the
same quality as Metabo, Festo and their ilk?

Absolutely not..(yet)
Im saying that not everybody *needs* or can *afford* to always buy the best
for occasional DIY use, its an entirely different matter if you making a
living from using these tools.
I wholeheartedly agree that quality tools can last a lifetime, in fact im
still using a Wolf low RPM drill that belonged to my father for mixing
plaster.
Im just a touch perplexed as to how you quantify quality, it appears to be
based on price, brand mark and country of origin.
The LiDL/Parkside tools I have bought seem to be of reasonable quality but
at a low price, but completely lacking in after-sale service.
Digital vernier £9 same a screwfix 16840-76 £39
Box of HSS drills £4 same as screwfix 10842-76 £24
Bench grinder £9 same as B&Q £24


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Arthur wrote:
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I'd say given the importance of decent tolerances in an sds, if you're
going to spend £50, might as well spend £90 and get a pro machine from a
known manufacturer (e.g. 500W blue Bosch), or a little bit more and get
a DeWalt.

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Arthur wrote:
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http://www.lidl.co.uk/gb/index.nsf/p....p.Productname

I'd say given the importance of decent tolerances in an sds, if you're
going to spend £50, might as well spend £90 and get a pro machine from a
known manufacturer (e.g. 500W blue Bosch), or a little bit more and get
a DeWalt.

DeWally?

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Arthur wrote:
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http://www.lidl.co.uk/gb/index.nsf/p....p.Productname

I'd say given the importance of decent tolerances in an sds, if you're
going to spend £50, might as well spend £90 and get a pro machine from a
known manufacturer (e.g. 500W blue Bosch), or a little bit more and get
a DeWalt.

DeWally?

Why do people insist on paying for a name?

blah wrote:

Why do people insist on paying for a name?

Are you saying that's all DeWalt is? Because my experiences tell me
otherwise. They tell me that they produce very nicely engineered tools
that are a pleasure to use, easy to service/repair and have superb parts
backup.

Do share yours.


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Arthur

Got an SDS Drill from Scewfix the other week £29.99, cheaper than hiring
one, selection of bits were another £17.99. Have only used it for drilling
16 14mm holes in concrete, but it worked fine.

Ash

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Arthur


Got an SDS Drill from Scewfix the other week ï½£29.99, cheaper than hiring
one, selection of bits were another ï½£17.99. Have only used it for drilling
16 14mm holes in concrete, but it worked fine.

Don't consider this a recomendation, but I saw a "budget" branded SDS at
makro the other day at 12.95 + VAT including tools! It does make you
wonder how you can produce even a poor product at that sort of price point.

Looked like the first incarnations of the NuTool - i.e. dodgy roto stop
selector and no safty clutch!


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Arthur

Got an SDS Drill from Scewfix the other week £29.99, cheaper than hiring
one, selection of bits were another £17.99. Have only used it for drilling
16 14mm holes in concrete, but it worked fine.

Ash

Yeah, it's the same one being sold all over the place under various
badging.I bought one just less than 3 years back and only last week
did it fail - hammer action packed up. Pretty good though considering
I abused it to high heaven.

Does anyone read Which! Magazine? They just tested some Jigsaws and
the £90 DeWalt didn't come out too well. Even the £19 Wickes rated
higher (with the exception of endurance of the motor) and the £15
Power Devil had a higher rating in quality of cut!
Makita came out on top and Metabo and Bosch also did well.

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How about the 11 piece SDS drill set they're offering at £4.99, are they
likely to be any good?

Peter.

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Taking another look at the page.
It highlights some kind of patented ' 3 way switch'.
I doubt if re-badgers go around inventing stuff at add new features.

I think Parkside are big in Germany and taking aloss to build a reputation
in the UK.

A penny-'apennies worth.

Arthur

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Taking another look at the page.
It highlights some kind of patented ' 3 way switch'.
I doubt if re-badgers go around inventing stuff at add new features.

I think Parkside are big in Germany and taking aloss to build a reputation
in the UK.

A penny-'apennies worth.

Arthur

Where are they made?

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Arthur


Taking another look at the page.
It highlights some kind of patented ' 3 way switch'.
I doubt if re-badgers go around inventing stuff at add new features.

I think Parkside are big in Germany and taking aloss to build a reputation
in the UK.

A penny-'apennies worth.

Arthur

Where are they made?


It has to be PRC or Taiwan.




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Arthur


Taking another look at the page.
It highlights some kind of patented ' 3 way switch'.
I doubt if re-badgers go around inventing stuff at add new features.

I think Parkside are big in Germany and taking aloss to build a
reputation
in the UK.

A penny-'apennies worth.

Arthur

Where are they made?

It has to be PRC or Taiwan.

I asked where are they made, not a guess ay where they are made.

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Arthur


Taking another look at the page.
It highlights some kind of patented ' 3 way switch'.
I doubt if re-badgers go around inventing stuff at add new features.

I think Parkside are big in Germany and taking aloss to build a
reputation
in the UK.

A penny-'apennies worth.

Arthur

Where are they made?

It has to be PRC or Taiwan.

I asked where are they made, not a guess ay where they are made.

Where else do you imagine it might be? Wapping? Milton Keynes?

Remember also that the label as to where a product is said to be made
does not mean that it was entirely made there, only that more than a
minimum product content or value addition was done there. It is
very easy to manipulate these numbers for marketinf and accounting
purposes.




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Taking another look at the page.
It highlights some kind of patented ' 3 way switch'.
I doubt if re-badgers go around inventing stuff at add new features.

I think Parkside are big in Germany and taking aloss to build a
reputation
in the UK.

A penny-'apennies worth.

Arthur

Where are they made?

It has to be PRC or Taiwan.

I asked where are they made, not a guess ay where they are made.


Sorry to muddy the waters, chaps.
But when I'm using my Parkside Cordless drill...it feels Italian.
So much so that I find myself singing.

Just one more Hole-oh
Dreell eet for meeee
Donna snappa my dreellie
Eets a cheapieeee

Arthur.

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Taking another look at the page.
It highlights some kind of patented ' 3 way switch'.
I doubt if re-badgers go around inventing stuff at add new features.

I think Parkside are big in Germany and taking aloss to build a
reputation
in the UK.

A penny-'apennies worth.

Arthur

Where are they made?



And where do you think the internals of all the big brands are being made
these days? And if you say "yeah so and so are still all made in Deutsches"
how long do you think will that be?

Go back to polishing sunshine.

Sam

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Taking another look at the page.
It highlights some kind of patented ' 3 way switch'.
I doubt if re-badgers go around inventing stuff at add new features.

I think Parkside are big in Germany and taking aloss to build a
reputation
in the UK.

A penny-'apennies worth.

Arthur

Where are they made?

And where do you think the internals of all the big brands are being made
these days?

Oh a quiz. Give us a clue.

And if you say "yeah so and so are still
all made in Deutsches"

No I will not say that as that is not the right answer.

how long do you think will that be?

How long the right answer will be right? Do you keep changing the right
answer?

Go back to polishing sunshine.

Polishing what, sunny boy.

Go back to polishing sunshine.

Polishing what, sunny boy.



Your head Sunshine, I think it's all clear what I mean :-)

regards Dick

Sam

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Taking another look at the page.
It highlights some kind of patented ' 3 way switch'.
I doubt if re-badgers go around inventing stuff at add new features.

Yes, this is stretching it a bit.

If there are any patents around on SDS then they are likely to have
been with Bosch.


I think Parkside are big in Germany and taking aloss to build a reputation
in the UK.

I think that this is more likely to be a house brand name by Lidl who
have their origins in Germany

I would be surprised if Parkside exists as a manufacturer.

The typical scenario is that a volume distribution outfit like Lidl
approaches volume tool factory in China and agrees a volume, colours,
labelling and badged documentation, plus a name to go on the product.

There will also be an agreed return rate and logistics arrangement to
replace faulty product that fails in the agreed warranty period.




A penny-'apennies worth.

Arthur


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