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Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
I have searched and can't find anything that does this.
There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. So is there anything out there which will make the first two stages easier:- 1 - Poking the pie out and back through some netting. It's sort of generic when using a tie, you nead to thread it *round* something and the tie wants to be straight. 2 - Having got it round and back, poke the end through the hole (as the actress said to the bishop). I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. -- Chris Green · |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On Saturday, 10 April 2021 at 12:03:05 UTC+1, Chris Green wrote:
I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. -- Chris Green · Well there is an idea for someone to come up with, I am sure it would sell having spent many hours doing and cursing cable ties. In the meantime a U shaped rigid tube should enable you to get a tie round a bunch of wires with both ends on the same side, you just have to be careful to hold the tie as you slide the guide tube off. Richard |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On 10/04/2021 11:50, Chris Green wrote:
I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. So is there anything out there which will make the first two stages easier:- 1 - Poking the pie out and back through some netting. It's sort of generic when using a tie, you nead to thread it *round* something and the tie wants to be straight. 2 - Having got it round and back, poke the end through the hole (as the actress said to the bishop). I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. Maybe wrap the tie - or even the pie - around something about 1-2cm diameter for about ten seconds. Then get on with lacing the tie through the netting and back? A tight pinch could be even better - perhaps? PA |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On 10/04/2021 11:50, Chris Green wrote:
I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. So is there anything out there which will make the first two stages easier:- 1 - Poking the pie out and back through some netting. It's sort of generic when using a tie, you nead to thread it *round* something and the tie wants to be straight. 2 - Having got it round and back, poke the end through the hole (as the actress said to the bishop). I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. Heat the ties to soften them. Form around a suitable curve and leave to cool. Should end up with "u" shaped ties. |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On 10/04/2021 11:50, Chris Green wrote:
I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. So is there anything out there which will make the first two stages easier:- 1 - Poking the pie out and back through some netting. It's sort of generic when using a tie, you nead to thread it *round* something and the tie wants to be straight. 2 - Having got it round and back, poke the end through the hole (as the actress said to the bishop). I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. My brother who uses them for netting on his large allotment commends a grandchild with nimble hands and good eyesight (but I think the family relationship is optional). -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
Tricky Dicky wrote:
On Saturday, 10 April 2021 at 12:03:05 UTC+1, Chris Green wrote: I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. Well there is an idea for someone to come up with, I am sure it would sell having spent many hours doing and cursing cable ties. I'm glad to hear it's not just me! :-) In the meantime a U shaped rigid tube should enable you to get a tie round a bunch of wires with both ends on the same side, you just have to be careful to hold the tie as you slide the guide tube off. I'm not sure this helps my situation as I'm not trying to get ties round bundles of cable, I'm trying to get ties round the edge of wire netting to hold it on to something. I suppose a curved piece of channel might help. -- Chris Green · |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
Richard wrote:
On 10/04/2021 11:50, Chris Green wrote: I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. So is there anything out there which will make the first two stages easier:- 1 - Poking the pie out and back through some netting. It's sort of generic when using a tie, you nead to thread it *round* something and the tie wants to be straight. 2 - Having got it round and back, poke the end through the hole (as the actress said to the bishop). I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. Heat the ties to soften them. Form around a suitable curve and leave to cool. Should end up with "u" shaped ties. That might well actually make the job less painful, thank you for the idea. -- Chris Green · |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On 10 Apr 2021 at 12:44:54 BST, "Tricky Dicky" wrote:
On Saturday, 10 April 2021 at 12:03:05 UTC+1, Chris Green wrote: I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. -- Chris Green · Well there is an idea for someone to come up with, I am sure it would sell having spent many hours doing and cursing cable ties. In the meantime a U shaped rigid tube should enable you to get a tie round a bunch of wires with both ends on the same side, you just have to be careful to hold the tie as you slide the guide tube off. Richard If instead of a tube one uses a channel with an open side on the inside of the 'U' one could quickly and easily lift it off when the tie is captured. You still potentially need three hands, but it might be possible to catch the end of the tie with the hand holding the channel without dropping the latter. I am inspired to try it next time I do this job, having done 15m of netting the other day! -- Roger Hayter |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
Roger Hayter wrote:
On 10 Apr 2021 at 12:44:54 BST, "Tricky Dicky" wrote: On Saturday, 10 April 2021 at 12:03:05 UTC+1, Chris Green wrote: I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. -- Chris Green · Well there is an idea for someone to come up with, I am sure it would sell having spent many hours doing and cursing cable ties. In the meantime a U shaped rigid tube should enable you to get a tie round a bunch of wires with both ends on the same side, you just have to be careful to hold the tie as you slide the guide tube off. Richard If instead of a tube one uses a channel with an open side on the inside of the 'U' one could quickly and easily lift it off when the tie is captured. You still potentially need three hands, but it might be possible to catch the end of the tie with the hand holding the channel without dropping the latter. I am inspired to try it next time I do this job, having done 15m of netting the other day! Yes, when there's a lot to do it does feel worth putting a little effort into coming up with something to help. I can picture exactly what's needed - a sort of tiny shepherd's crook made of channel into which the cable tie slides nicely. However, will it actually work, i.e. won't the cable tie want to remain straight and thus not follow the bend of the channel? A small piece of tube would work to guide the cable tie but how do you remove it after getting the tie round the bend? -- Chris Green · |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
Robin wrote:
On 10/04/2021 11:50, Chris Green wrote: I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. So is there anything out there which will make the first two stages easier:- 1 - Poking the pie out and back through some netting. It's sort of generic when using a tie, you nead to thread it *round* something and the tie wants to be straight. 2 - Having got it round and back, poke the end through the hole (as the actress said to the bishop). I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. My brother who uses them for netting on his large allotment commends a grandchild with nimble hands and good eyesight (but I think the family relationship is optional). :-) It does show there's a need for such a thing though doesn't it! -- Chris Green · |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
In message , Chris Green
writes I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. So is there anything out there which will make the first two stages easier:- 1 - Poking the pie out and back through some netting. It's sort of generic when using a tie, you nead to thread it *round* something and the tie wants to be straight. 2 - Having got it round and back, poke the end through the hole (as the actress said to the bishop). I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. er.. Consider galvanised *hog ring clips* designed for the job? -- Tim Lamb |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On 10/04/2021 14:14, Chris Green wrote:
It does show there's a need for such a thing though doesn't it! How about a piece of stiff wire that could be bent to the appropriate shape, with a small croc clip on the end? It could be threaded round the post then the clip could bring the end of the tie round. Bill |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On 10 Apr 2021 at 14:12:43 BST, "Chris Green" wrote:
Roger Hayter wrote: On 10 Apr 2021 at 12:44:54 BST, "Tricky Dicky" wrote: On Saturday, 10 April 2021 at 12:03:05 UTC+1, Chris Green wrote: I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. -- Chris Green · Well there is an idea for someone to come up with, I am sure it would sell having spent many hours doing and cursing cable ties. In the meantime a U shaped rigid tube should enable you to get a tie round a bunch of wires with both ends on the same side, you just have to be careful to hold the tie as you slide the guide tube off. Richard If instead of a tube one uses a channel with an open side on the inside of the 'U' one could quickly and easily lift it off when the tie is captured. You still potentially need three hands, but it might be possible to catch the end of the tie with the hand holding the channel without dropping the latter. I am inspired to try it next time I do this job, having done 15m of netting the other day! Yes, when there's a lot to do it does feel worth putting a little effort into coming up with something to help. I can picture exactly what's needed - a sort of tiny shepherd's crook made of channel into which the cable tie slides nicely. However, will it actually work, i.e. won't the cable tie want to remain straight and thus not follow the bend of the channel? A small piece of tube would work to guide the cable tie but how do you remove it after getting the tie round the bend? If the opening of the channel is on the inside of the bend I don't see why it shouldn't work. The tie would have to bend even more to get out, and couldn't go sideways. -- Roger Hayter |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On 10 Apr 2021 at 14:51:41 BST, "Tim Lamb"
wrote: In message , Chris Green writes I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. So is there anything out there which will make the first two stages easier:- 1 - Poking the pie out and back through some netting. It's sort of generic when using a tie, you nead to thread it *round* something and the tie wants to be straight. 2 - Having got it round and back, poke the end through the hole (as the actress said to the bishop). I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. er.. Consider galvanised *hog ring clips* designed for the job? Good for clipping to a wire fence, a quarter of the time to do it, but not to a trellis or poles. -- Roger Hayter |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
Chris Green wrote:
I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. So is there anything out there which will make the first two stages easier:- 1 - Poking the pie out and back through some netting. It's sort of generic when using a tie, you nead to thread it *round* something and the tie wants to be straight. 2 - Having got it round and back, poke the end through the hole (as the actress said to the bishop). I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. Rather than looking for a tool how about pre-forming your cable ties into a hook shape (bend them over a former and apply heat somehow). You could probably do a large batch in one go. Having made them hook shaped it should be easy to loop them though and back ready to have the tail poked through the ratchet. Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 14:14:03 +0100, Chris Green wrote:
snip I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. snip I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. My brother who uses them for netting on his large allotment commends a grandchild with nimble hands and good eyesight (but I think the family relationship is optional). :-) It does show there's a need for such a thing though doesn't it! I often put a shape in the cable tie first (just bending it in my fingers or dragging it over a screwdriver shaft like you would to put a curl in some ribbon) and then it's already pointing back as you poke it though far enough. If you gave me the diameter / radius you were looking to cover I might be able to design and print your hooked (open?) channel idea? If it was more of a U section but with the section facing up or down, you could pre fit the tie in the tool, thread it in place and then could lift it off the tie once the end is though and before you pull it tight? Cheers, T i m |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Chris Green writes I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. So is there anything out there which will make the first two stages easier:- 1 - Poking the pie out and back through some netting. It's sort of generic when using a tie, you nead to thread it *round* something and the tie wants to be straight. 2 - Having got it round and back, poke the end through the hole (as the actress said to the bishop). I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. er.. Consider galvanised *hog ring clips* designed for the job? I did wonder if there was an alternative, but didn't know what they were called, thanks! I can't *quite* see how the pliers hold the 'rings' at the moment, but I expect I'll find a better picture somewhere. -- Chris Green · |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
Roger Hayter wrote:
On 10 Apr 2021 at 14:51:41 BST, "Tim Lamb" wrote: In message , Chris Green writes I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. So is there anything out there which will make the first two stages easier:- 1 - Poking the pie out and back through some netting. It's sort of generic when using a tie, you nead to thread it *round* something and the tie wants to be straight. 2 - Having got it round and back, poke the end through the hole (as the actress said to the bishop). I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. er.. Consider galvanised *hog ring clips* designed for the job? Good for clipping to a wire fence, a quarter of the time to do it, but not to a trellis or poles. I was trying to describe a wire-to-wire requirement so they're good for me. -- Chris Green · |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On 10/04/2021 11:50, Chris Green wrote:
I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. snip Use wire instead of ties, bend it how you like and cut it as required. -- Cheers Clive. |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On 10 Apr 2021 at 16:01:51 BST, "Chris Green" wrote:
Roger Hayter wrote: On 10 Apr 2021 at 14:51:41 BST, "Tim Lamb" wrote: In message , Chris Green writes I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. So is there anything out there which will make the first two stages easier:- 1 - Poking the pie out and back through some netting. It's sort of generic when using a tie, you nead to thread it *round* something and the tie wants to be straight. 2 - Having got it round and back, poke the end through the hole (as the actress said to the bishop). I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. er.. Consider galvanised *hog ring clips* designed for the job? Good for clipping to a wire fence, a quarter of the time to do it, but not to a trellis or poles. I was trying to describe a wire-to-wire requirement so they're good for me. They are incredibly quick to fix compared with cable ties - 10X quicker easily - and especially neat if both fences are galvanised. Still better looking than cable ties if the netting is plastic. Just make sure you get galvanised clips. Just an example, better quality is available: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HOG-RING-...y/232292625974 -- Roger Hayter |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On 10 Apr 2021 12:33:09 GMT, Roger Hayter wrote:
snip If instead of a tube one uses a channel with an open side on the inside of the 'U' one could quickly and easily lift it off when the tie is captured. The problem with that is the cable tie might try to come out inwards. If the channel was open at the top or bottom, it would be more likely to stay in the channel because the cable tie wants to go straight? You still potentially need three hands, but it might be possible to catch the end of the tie with the hand holding the channel without dropping the latter. With the right design of tool and length of tie, you could have the catch end of the tie held in place and you then just need to guide the open end though the catch then once through, lift / drop the tool off. I am inspired to try it next time I do this job, having done 15m of netting the other day! Well, if you don't make something, Dragons Den here I come. ;-) https://ibb.co/n8xsvZ8 Cheers, T i m |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
Tricky Dicky was thinking very hard :
In the meantime a U shaped rigid tube should enable you to get a tie round a bunch of wires with both ends on the same side, you just have to be careful to hold the tie as you slide the guide tube off. U tube which is a channel, open along the inner radius would do that. |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On 10/04/2021 11:50, Chris Green wrote:
So is there anything out there which will make the first two stages easier:- 1 - Poking the pie out and back through some netting. It's sort of generic when using a tie, you nead to thread it *round* something and the tie wants to be straight. 2 - Having got it round and back, poke the end through the hole (as the actress said to the bishop). Bend something suitable out of warmed Perspex or other thermoplastic offcut with a couple of self tappers in to make a guide. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
In message , Chris Green
writes Tim Lamb wrote: In message , Chris Green writes I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. So is there anything out there which will make the first two stages easier:- 1 - Poking the pie out and back through some netting. It's sort of generic when using a tie, you nead to thread it *round* something and the tie wants to be straight. 2 - Having got it round and back, poke the end through the hole (as the actress said to the bishop). I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. er.. Consider galvanised *hog ring clips* designed for the job? I did wonder if there was an alternative, but didn't know what they were called, thanks! I can't *quite* see how the pliers hold the 'rings' at the moment, but I expect I'll find a better picture somewhere. I have two versions. Both magazine types. The clips are supplied in strip/cassette form and slot into a spring loaded holder. The tool jaws are shaped to pick off the next clip and hold it while you get the job positioned. Squeezing the handles further, squashes the clip into a ring. -- Tim Lamb |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On 10/04/2021 13:24, Chris Green wrote:
Richard wrote: On 10/04/2021 11:50, Chris Green wrote: I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. So is there anything out there which will make the first two stages easier:- 1 - Poking the pie out and back through some netting. It's sort of generic when using a tie, you nead to thread it *round* something and the tie wants to be straight. 2 - Having got it round and back, poke the end through the hole (as the actress said to the bishop). I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. Heat the ties to soften them. Form around a suitable curve and leave to cool. Should end up with "u" shaped ties. That might well actually make the job less painful, thank you for the idea. I've done this before..... the trick I do is: Fold into a V the end of the cable tie so you then have a V shaped hook on the end of the cable tie so it looks like a V on the end of an I. Insert V end of the I end into one wire fence hole. Move & rotate so the end of the cable tie is in the adjacent hole. Then use your fingers or a pair of pliers to then pull the cable tie round. Then either straighten out the V or cut it off at the acute angle apex. Jobs a good un. |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On 10/04/2021 19:06, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Chris Green writes Tim Lamb wrote: In message , Chris Green writes I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. So is there anything out there which will make the first two stages easier:- *** 1 - Poking the pie out and back through some netting. It's sort of *** generic when using a tie, you nead to thread it *round* something *** and the tie wants to be straight. *** 2 - Having got it round and back, poke the end through the hole *** (as the actress said to the bishop). I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round.* Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you.* For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. er.. Consider galvanised *hog ring clips* designed for the job? I did wonder if there was an alternative, but didn't know what they were called, thanks! I can't *quite* see how the pliers hold the 'rings' at the moment, but I expect I'll find a better picture somewhere. I have two versions. Both magazine types. The clips are supplied in strip/cassette form and slot into a spring loaded holder. The tool jaws are shaped to pick off the next clip and hold it while you get the job positioned. Squeezing the handles further, squashes the clip into a ring. and if the ring is a loose fit, you can then thread the cable tie through the hog ring to then attach said cable(s) |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
Chris Green wrote:
I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. So is there anything out there which will make the first two stages easier:- 1 - Poking the pie out and back through some netting. It's sort of generic when using a tie, you nead to thread it *round* something and the tie wants to be straight. 2 - Having got it round and back, poke the end through the hole (as the actress said to the bishop). I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. I sew hardware cloth, with galvanized wire. I've done hardware cloth "boxes", by sewing the corners or the things I want to join, and then they hold their shape reasonably well. I stock several sizes of galvanized wire, and the thinner stuff is for sewing projects. Galvanized wire is UV proof. To make a hardware cloth box, you don't start with six squares and set to work. You make the usual cross shaped pattern of squares, to minimize the number of seams needing sewing. And leave a little slack, to maybe bend over the edges for reinforcement. I might build a hardware cloth box, for something needing to be mouse-proofed. Paul |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
"Chris Green" wrote in message ... Robin wrote: On 10/04/2021 11:50, Chris Green wrote: I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. So is there anything out there which will make the first two stages easier:- 1 - Poking the pie out and back through some netting. It's sort of generic when using a tie, you nead to thread it *round* something and the tie wants to be straight. 2 - Having got it round and back, poke the end through the hole (as the actress said to the bishop). I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. My brother who uses them for netting on his large allotment commends a grandchild with nimble hands and good eyesight (but I think the family relationship is optional). :-) It does show there's a need for such a thing though doesn't it! But it must be harder to do than you might think or it would be buyable already. |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On 10/04/2021 11:50, Chris Green wrote:
I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. So is there anything out there which will make the first two stages easier:- 1 - Poking the pie out and back through some netting. It's sort of generic when using a tie, you nead to thread it *round* something and the tie wants to be straight. 2 - Having got it round and back, poke the end through the hole (as the actress said to the bishop). I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. You can try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOmRgzHWafc You will not like the price! https://www.mouser.com/access/?pn=106-00040 |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 1:21:47 PM UTC+1, Robin wrote:
On 10/04/2021 11:50, Chris Green wrote: I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. So is there anything out there which will make the first two stages easier:- 1 - Poking the pie out and back through some netting. It's sort of generic when using a tie, you nead to thread it *round* something and the tie wants to be straight. 2 - Having got it round and back, poke the end through the hole (as the actress said to the bishop). I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. My brother who uses them for netting on his large allotment commends a grandchild with nimble hands and good eyesight (but I think the family relationship is optional). -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid +1+1 |
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Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 14:14:03 +0100, Chris Green wrote:
Robin wrote: On 10/04/2021 11:50, Chris Green wrote: I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. So is there anything out there which will make the first two stages easier:- 1 - Poking the pie out and back through some netting. It's sort of generic when using a tie, you nead to thread it *round* something and the tie wants to be straight. 2 - Having got it round and back, poke the end through the hole (as the actress said to the bishop). I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. My brother who uses them for netting on his large allotment commends a grandchild with nimble hands and good eyesight (but I think the family relationship is optional). :-) It does show there's a need for such a thing though doesn't it! Need to hire one though - keeping one, unless indigenous, is expensive and has a best-before limitation. -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 16:08:01 +0100, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 10/04/2021 11:50, Chris Green wrote: I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. snip Use wire instead of ties, bend it how you like and cut it as required. If still available, the coated wire frome Wickes is very good. https://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-PVC-...x-20m/p/187718 It's easy to cut and bend; also seems to be galvanised. I put quite a lot on a wall about 10 years ago and there's no sign of rust. Bizarrely, the link is for 20m at 10; also has 100m for 9.50! -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
PeterC wrote:
If still available, the coated wire frome Wickes is very good. https://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-PVC-...x-20m/p/187718 It's easy to cut and bend; also seems to be galvanised. I put quite a lot on a wall about 10 years ago and there's no sign of rust. Bizarrely, the link is for 20m at 10; also has 100m for 9.50! The 100 m is thinner wi https://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-PVC-Coated-Garden-Wire---1-2mm-x-100m/p/187724 Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK @ChrisJDixon1 Plant amazing Acers. |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On 11/04/2021 09:39, PeterC wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 14:14:03 +0100, Chris Green wrote: Robin wrote: On 10/04/2021 11:50, Chris Green wrote: I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. So is there anything out there which will make the first two stages easier:- 1 - Poking the pie out and back through some netting. It's sort of generic when using a tie, you nead to thread it *round* something and the tie wants to be straight. 2 - Having got it round and back, poke the end through the hole (as the actress said to the bishop). I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. My brother who uses them for netting on his large allotment commends a grandchild with nimble hands and good eyesight (but I think the family relationship is optional). :-) It does show there's a need for such a thing though doesn't it! Need to hire one though - keeping one, unless indigenous, is expensive and has a best-before limitation. :) |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On 11/04/2021 09:46, PeterC wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 16:08:01 +0100, Clive Arthur wrote: On 10/04/2021 11:50, Chris Green wrote: I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. snip Use wire instead of ties, bend it how you like and cut it as required. If still available, the coated wire frome Wickes is very good. https://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-PVC-...x-20m/p/187718 It's easy to cut and bend; also seems to be galvanised. I put quite a lot on a wall about 10 years ago and there's no sign of rust. Bizarrely, the link is for 20m at £10; also has 100m for £9.50! Use short lengths of copper core from scrap 2.5mm t&e. Thats what I use for supporting rambling roses and loganberry shoots. Doesn't seem to harm the plants. |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On 10/04/2021 13:33, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 10 Apr 2021 at 12:44:54 BST, "Tricky Dicky" wrote: On Saturday, 10 April 2021 at 12:03:05 UTC+1, Chris Green wrote: I can imagine some sort of tool that you could insert a tie into which would have a curved channel that you put round whatever it is you want the tie round. Push a lever (or something) and the tie is fed round the track and back to you. For the tool to do part 2 as well is more difficult but even doing part 1 would make using cable ties a whole lot easier. -- Chris Green · Well there is an idea for someone to come up with, I am sure it would sell having spent many hours doing and cursing cable ties. In the meantime a U shaped rigid tube should enable you to get a tie round a bunch of wires with both ends on the same side, you just have to be careful to hold the tie as you slide the guide tube off. Richard If instead of a tube one uses a channel with an open side on the inside of the 'U' one could quickly and easily lift it off when the tie is captured. You still potentially need three hands, but it might be possible to catch the end of the tie with the hand holding the channel without dropping the latter. I am inspired to try it next time I do this job, having done 15m of netting the other day! This is what we used to do when refitting ties to tree tubes (AKA Tuley tubes), a sharpened galvanised bucket handle bent the wrong way into a tighter bend, pierce the corrugated plastic either side of the stake and feed cable tie through channel. I am not a fan of these things as they generally get left littering the countryside but from the late 70s a lot were used and still are. |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On Sun, 11 Apr 2021 09:57:17 +0100, Chris J Dixon wrote:
PeterC wrote: If still available, the coated wire frome Wickes is very good. https://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-PVC-...x-20m/p/187718 It's easy to cut and bend; also seems to be galvanised. I put quite a lot on a wall about 10 years ago and there's no sign of rust. Bizarrely, the link is for 20m at 10; also has 100m for 9.50! The 100 m is thinner wi https://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-PVC-Coated-Garden-Wire---1-2mm-x-100m/p/187724 Chris Ah, didn't spot that. Wasn't really interested in 100m - a 20m roll lasts me a long time. -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
Is there a tool to assist *threading* cable ties?
On Sun, 11 Apr 2021 11:07:32 +0100, Andrew wrote:
On 11/04/2021 09:46, PeterC wrote: On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 16:08:01 +0100, Clive Arthur wrote: On 10/04/2021 11:50, Chris Green wrote: I have searched and can't find anything that does this. There are loads of "cable tie guns" which simply tighten the tie and cut the end off, but that's the easy bit to do manually! I have a job comong up which will involve threading lots of cable ties through wire netting and round and back, then poking the end of the tie through the hole and then (the easy bit that the gun does) pulling tight and (probably not) cutting the end off. snip Use wire instead of ties, bend it how you like and cut it as required. If still available, the coated wire frome Wickes is very good. https://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-PVC-...x-20m/p/187718 It's easy to cut and bend; also seems to be galvanised. I put quite a lot on a wall about 10 years ago and there's no sign of rust. Bizarrely, the link is for 20m at 10; also has 100m for 9.50! Use short lengths of copper core from scrap 2.5mm t&e. Thats what I use for supporting rambling roses and loganberry shoots. Doesn't seem to harm the plants. I'd leave the insulation on it so as to spread the load a bit. -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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