Are they allowed to refer to the Sewell Report as a WHITEwash?

On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 18:42:00 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

Are they allowed to refer to the Sewell Report as a WHITEwash?

It's a bit racist.

It gave me a chuckle as well, despite the seriousness of this subject I do
feel a bit of give and take and levity would go a long way to stopping the
polarising of views here.
If you were a young black male living in, say Croydon who has a dead end
job paying peanuts you might see it a lot differently to a black engineer or
scientist.
Brian

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Are they allowed to refer to the Sewell Report as a WHITEwash?

On 01/04/2021 06:56, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

If you were a young black male living in, say Croydon who has a dead end
job paying peanuts you might see it a lot differently

Surely if you were a young male living in.....?




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On 01/04/2021 06:56, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
It gave me a chuckle as well, despite the seriousness of this subject I do
feel a bit of give and take and levity would go a long way to stopping the
polarising of views here.
If you were a young black male living in, say Croydon who has a dead end
job paying peanuts you might see it a lot differently to a black engineer or
scientist.

I think that's rather the point - it is not structural racism that is
the problem, it is coming from a poor background, going to a poor
school, where lessons may be constantly disrupted by those who don't
value education, not having educated parents that can help you learn,
encourage you, or who even value education themselves, even ridicule
those that do try to learn, irrespective of colour. It is down to
location, social background, local work availability, etc. and why the
very worst off are white boys, despite the perception that race is
holding black people back.

Race is probably much more of a problem when interacting with authority,
but again location and social background are more likely the real
problem - if you are from a racial background that distrusts authority
(with good reason decades ago) and have been brought up within a
community with a high proportion of that race, you are more likely to be
confrontational and uncooperative when dealing with authority, which is
more likely to result in a bad outcome.

Some ways of speech, facial expressions, gestures and behaviours can
seem arrogant, even threatening to others - and often these norms are
nothing to do with race, except that immigrants have commonly ended up
grouping together rather than spreading evenly and so societal norms
are, to an extent, separated along racial lines. For example, the black
tongue-click is common, but to people outside that community, who are
not used to it, it can sound like an arrogant dismissal of what people
are saying.

I have no doubt that society is racist, but that comes from all races,
not just whites (probably every single person, no matter how they think
of themselves). It is a natural, hard-wired distrust of anything
different and therefore "not of your tribe". However, most people have
learned and override this without needing to think about it, making
those that haven't, far more obvious and prominent.

On 01/04/2021 07:50, Steve Walker wrote:
On 01/04/2021 06:56, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
It gave me a chuckle as well, despite the seriousness of this subject
I do
feel a bit of give and take and levity would go a long way to stopping
the
polarising of views here.
Â* If you were a young black male living in, say Croydon who has a dead
end
job paying peanuts you might see it a lot differently to a black
engineer or
scientist.

I think that's rather the point - it is not structural racism that is
the problem, it is coming from a poor background, going to a poor
school, where lessons may be constantly disrupted by those who don't
value education, not having educated parents that can help you learn,
encourage you, or who even value education themselves, even ridicule
those that do try to learn, irrespective of colour. It is down to
location, social background, local work availability, etc. and why the
very worst off are white boys, despite the perception that race is
holding black people back.

When I first went to Johannesburg at the arse end of apartheid, I didn't
see a colour problem, I saw a class problem.

Back in my great grandparents day, young country girls went into service
to learn a bit of civilisation, and became the lower middle class,as did
their brothers who were apprenticed to a trade.


The same transformations were happening in South Africa, but all people
wanted to see was colour, on both sides.

Now under a moderately racist black government, things are worse then
they ever were for *most* black/working class people.

That's Marxism for you. A few have benefited


Race is probably much more of a problem when interacting with authority,
but again location and social background are more likely the real
problem - if you are from a racial background that distrusts authority
(with good reason decades ago) and have been brought up within a
community with a high proportion of that race, you are more likely to be
confrontational and uncooperative when dealing with authority, which is
more likely to result in a bad outcome.

Some ways of speech, facial expressions, gestures and behaviours can
seem arrogant, even threatening to others - and often these norms are
nothing to do with race, except that immigrants have commonly ended up
grouping together rather than spreading evenly and so societal norms
are, to an extent, separated along racial lines. For example, the black
tongue-click is common, but to people outside that community, who are
not used to it, it can sound like an arrogant dismissal of what people
are saying.

I have no doubt that society is racist, but that comes from all races,
not just whites (probably every single person, no matter how they think
of themselves). It is a natural, hard-wired distrust of anything
different and therefore "not of your tribe". However, most people have
learned and override this without needing to think about it, making
those that haven't, far more obvious and prominent.

"Racism" has become black peoples excuse for laziness and failure.



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Steve Walker wrote:
On 01/04/2021 06:56, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
It gave me a chuckle as well, despite the seriousness of this subject I
do feel a bit of give and take and levity would go a long way to
stopping the polarising of views here. If you were a young black male
living in, say Croydon who has a dead end job paying peanuts you might
see it a lot differently to a black engineer or scientist.

In BBC TV Centre, in the 1960s, I had a Nigerial colleague. Someone asked
him why he didn't return to Nigeria since they'd just started a TV service.
"Wrong Tribe"


I think that's rather the point - it is not structural racism that is
the problem, it is coming from a poor background, going to a poor
school, where lessons may be constantly disrupted by those who don't
value education, not having educated parents that can help you learn,
encourage you, or who even value education themselves, even ridicule
those that do try to learn, irrespective of colour. It is down to
location, social background, local work availability, etc. and why the
very worst off are white boys, despite the perception that race is
holding black people back.

quite a few years ago, I was in Bradford in a BBC marked vehicle. I was
waiting for someone to come home and was parked near a school jusat as
their day finished. The pupils came out in two groups. Group one: " Bloody
BBC, throw a brick at it". Group 2 "Sir, this looks an interesting
vehicle. How do we get a job like yours?"/
I leave the reader to determie which group was which.

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Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote

It gave me a chuckle as well, despite the seriousness
of this subject I do feel a bit of give and take and levity
would go a long way to stopping the polarising of views here.

Have you no sense of dignity and decorum at all, boy ?

If you were a young black male living in, say Croydon
who has a dead end job paying peanuts you might see
it a lot differently to a black engineer or scientist.

Yeah, likely much more interested in not getting stabbed.

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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Are they allowed to refer to the Sewell Report as a WHITEwash?

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 20:06:31 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile cretin's latest troll****

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On 01/04/2021 06:56 am, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

It gave me a chuckle as well, despite the seriousness of this subject I do
feel a bit of give and take and levity would go a long way to stopping the
polarising of views here.

If you were a young black male living in, say Croydon who has a dead end
job paying peanuts you might see it a lot differently to a black engineer or
scientist.
Brian

You might.

And you might even recognise the fact that it is very precisely a
class-related matter.

charles wrote:
Group one: " Bloody BBC, throw a brick at it".
Group 2 "Sir, this looks an interesting vehicle. How
do we get a job like yours?"
I leave the reader to determie which group was which.

Shall we also play the game wrt the denizens of this ng?

#Paul