"nightjar" wrote in message
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On 28/12/2020 21:28, Tim Streater wrote:
On 28 Dec 2020 at 16:45:28 GMT, nightjar wrote:

On 28/12/2020 10:35, Tim Streater wrote:


I leave you with Wedgie Benn's five questions, the answers to which
are, WRT
the EU:
...

I give you the answers from a former Labour leader in the European
Parliament.:

1. What power have you got?

The power to draft proposals for European legislation, which are then

EU legislation.

submitted for a decision to the EU Council (made up of ministers from
elected governments) and directly-elected MEPs in the European
Parliament.

EU Parliament. With little power and no likelihood of its makeup being
changed
at any time, whatever the people may want. And this ossification is
arranged
in part by the egregious list system by which MEPs are elected.

The Council. All chums together in arranging how things work. I don't
recall
anyone being consulted about the choice of the current Commission
president,
who was the only candidate and was rubber stamped by the EU Parliament in
a
way that China or Russia watchers would immediately recognise.

The power to adopt delegated measures to implement such legislation,
provided these are not rejected by the Parliament or Council.

2. Where did you get it from?

The power to make proposals derives from the treaties, which have been
approved by the national parliaments of every member country.

And not by popular votes by the people. National Parliaments have no
authority
to assign any national sovereignty to another body; that's not what they
are
elected to do. They are elected to run the country and if they feel
there's
some advantage to pooling sovereignty over some issue or other, they
shoul
dseek specific approval of teh people to do that.

The power to adopt delegated measures is conferred in individual pieces
of legislation approved by the Council and Parliament. This is a power
which either can revoke at any time.

3. In whose interests do you exercise it?

The citizens of all EU countries.

Nominally.

4. To whom are you accountable?

To the European Parliament, elected by all EU citizens. Parliament
elects the Commission President, confirms the Commission as a whole, and
can dismiss it in a vote of no confidence.

See above.

5. How can we get rid of you?

By a vote of no confidence from elected MEPs.

With no possibility of a change of course.

What you've given is a typical bureaucrat's response with no analysis.

You think the UK parliament fares any better?

Yes, because if it does something
really stupid that enough are ****ed off
enough about, the voters can pull the
plug on it at the next general election.

Doing that doesnt work with the EU with
an important policy issue like say ever
closer integration of the member countrys.

1. What power do you have?

Complete power over every aspect of life in the UK, with some delegated to
devolved parliaments.

It isnt actually complete power. It cant for example
abolish itself and give full power to a dictator like the
Reichstag was once actually stupid enough to do.

2. Where did you get it from?

A foreigner who was invited to invade England to depose the King, because
he wasn't giving us the power we thought we ought to have.

The king has no power anymore.

3. In whose interest do you exercise it?

In order of priority:
a) The PM and the Cabinet
b) The Party backbenchers
c) The main contributors to Party funds
d) If it get votes, the British public

And like I said, if the voters dont like
what they do, they can pull the plug
on that govt at the next general election.

Doing that in the EU has no effect
on those who decide policy.

4. To whom are you accountable?

The Party members and backers.

But not in the EU.

5. How can we get rid of you?

Only by revolution.

Thats bull**** with the UK.

Voting only changes the interpretation of what goes towards 3(d) above

Bull****.

And regardless, the majority who
bothered to vote voted to leave and
you remouners get to like that or lump it.

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