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Hiosting stuff into loft
In a couple of months shall be downsizing from a 4-bedroom house to a
small bungalow. I shall be flooring the loft which will be esential for storage. The existing loft ladder is a flimsy affair. I intend to replace it with a cascading section staircase such as a Ramsey. At first I will need to get a substantial number of floor-boards (600 x 2400 x 18mm) up there. My original plan was to lay them one at a time on the "staircase" and gradually push them up until they tip into the loft. What would make it easier woud be if I could install a pair of pulleys with ratchets, so that I could haul up each bpard without fearing to let go. I have seen what looks like something almost suitable on Amazon. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ratchet-Con...le-Reinforced- Internal/dp/B07F1TQLHX/ref=pd_rhf_se_p_img_1? _encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=AC2H9M9TKQPTQ9V8P559 "(2) Pack 1/8 inch Rope Pulley Ratchet Hangers, Convenient Adjustable Reinforced Metal Internal Gears, 6.5-ft Long & 105lbs Weight Grow Light Hangers" The problem is that at 6.5ft the cord is too short if the mounting point is some way away. Am I approaching the problem in too simpolistic a way? TIA -- Mint 20.0, kernel 5.4.0-45-generic, Cinnamon 4.6.7 running on an AMD Phenom II X4 Black edition processor with 8GB of DRAM. |
Hiosting stuff into loft
On 10/11/2020 17:22, pinnerite wrote:
In a couple of months shall be downsizing from a 4-bedroom house to a small bungalow. I shall be flooring the loft which will be esential for storage. The existing loft ladder is a flimsy affair. I intend to replace it with a cascading section staircase such as a Ramsey. At first I will need to get a substantial number of floor-boards (600 x 2400 x 18mm) up there. My original plan was to lay them one at a time on the "staircase" and gradually push them up until they tip into the loft. What would make it easier woud be if I could install a pair of pulleys with ratchets, so that I could haul up each bpard without fearing to let go. I have seen what looks like something almost suitable on Amazon. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ratchet-Con...le-Reinforced- Internal/dp/B07F1TQLHX/ref=pd_rhf_se_p_img_1? _encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=AC2H9M9TKQPTQ9V8P559 "(2) Pack 1/8 inch Rope Pulley Ratchet Hangers, Convenient Adjustable Reinforced Metal Internal Gears, 6.5-ft Long & 105lbs Weight Grow Light Hangers" The problem is that at 6.5ft the cord is too short if the mounting point is some way away. Am I approaching the problem in too simpolistic a way? TIA Why not fix a pulley to a rafter, make a suitable sling/carrier and attach it to a rope, temporarily install a pal/child/wife in the loft, and just haul things up for the aforementioned pal/etcetera to unload? |
Hiosting stuff into loft
pinnerite expressed precisely :
The problem is that at 6.5ft the cord is too short if the mounting point is some way away. Am I approaching the problem in too simpolistic a way? I had a similar issue, a workshop in my loft, accessed via a normal loft hatch. I fixed a simple pulley to a rafter, reinforced to the two adjacent to it, able to take an 8mm rope. I raise and lower on it regularly and much more weight than you are proposing. A ratchet is not necessary, but one of those metal brackets fixed to something substantial, where the rope can be wound in a figure of eight might be useful if a pause might be necessary, in raising or lowering and awkward item. |
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Hiosting stuff into loft
On 10/11/2020 17:22, pinnerite wrote:
In a couple of months shall be downsizing from a 4-bedroom house to a small bungalow. I shall be flooring the loft which will be esential for storage. The existing loft ladder is a flimsy affair. I intend to replace it with a cascading section staircase such as a Ramsey. At first I will need to get a substantial number of floor-boards (600 x 2400 x 18mm) up there. My original plan was to lay them one at a time on the "staircase" and gradually push them up until they tip into the loft. What would make it easier woud be if I could install a pair of pulleys with ratchets, so that I could haul up each bpard without fearing to let go. I have seen what looks like something almost suitable on Amazon. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ratchet-Con...le-Reinforced- Internal/dp/B07F1TQLHX/ref=pd_rhf_se_p_img_1? _encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=AC2H9M9TKQPTQ9V8P559 "(2) Pack 1/8 inch Rope Pulley Ratchet Hangers, Convenient Adjustable Reinforced Metal Internal Gears, 6.5-ft Long & 105lbs Weight Grow Light Hangers" The problem is that at 6.5ft the cord is too short if the mounting point is some way away. Am I approaching the problem in too simpolistic a way? TIA I use an electric one.....much better...go to 2.31 to see it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRSCfNT9wLU&t=18s |
Hiosting stuff into loft
On 10/11/2020 17:22, pinnerite wrote:
In a couple of months shall be downsizing from a 4-bedroom house to a small bungalow. I shall be flooring the loft which will be esential for storage. The existing loft ladder is a flimsy affair. I intend to replace it with a cascading section staircase such as a Ramsey. At first I will need to get a substantial number of floor-boards (600 x 2400 x 18mm) up there. My original plan was to lay them one at a time on the "staircase" and gradually push them up until they tip into the loft. What would make it easier woud be if I could install a pair of pulleys with ratchets, so that I could haul up each bpard without fearing to let go. When we were house hunting one we viewed had an electric hoist with remote control mounted to the rafters above the loft hatch. Mike |
Hiosting stuff into loft
On 10/11/2020 21:34, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 10/11/2020 17:22, pinnerite wrote: In a couple of months shall be downsizing from a 4-bedroom house to a small bungalow. I shall be flooring the loft which will be esential for storage. The existing loft ladder is a flimsy affair. I intend to replace it with a cascading section staircase such as a Ramsey. At first I will need to get a substantial number of floor-boards (600 x 2400 x 18mm) up there. My original plan was to lay them one at a time on the "staircase" and gradually push them up until they tip into the loft. What would make it easier woud be if I could install a pair of pulleys with ratchets, so that I could haul up each bpard without fearing to let go. I have seen what looks like something almost suitable on Amazon. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ratchet-Con...le-Reinforced- Internal/dp/B07F1TQLHX/ref=pd_rhf_se_p_img_1? _encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=AC2H9M9TKQPTQ9V8P559 "(2) Pack 1/8 inch Rope Pulley Ratchet Hangers, Convenient Adjustable Reinforced Metal Internal Gears, 6.5-ft Long & 105lbs Weight Grow Light Hangers" The problem is that at 6.5ft the cord is too short if the mounting point is some way away. Am I approaching the problem in too simpolistic a way? TIA I use an electric one.....much better...go to 2.31 to see it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRSCfNT9wLU&t=18s not that anybody is interested ... |
Hiosting stuff into loft
On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 9:35:03 PM UTC, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 10/11/2020 17:22, pinnerite wrote: In a couple of months shall be downsizing from a 4-bedroom house to a small bungalow. I shall be flooring the loft which will be esential for storage. The existing loft ladder is a flimsy affair. I intend to replace it with a cascading section staircase such as a Ramsey. At first I will need to get a substantial number of floor-boards (600 x 2400 x 18mm) up there. My original plan was to lay them one at a time on the "staircase" and gradually push them up until they tip into the loft. What would make it easier woud be if I could install a pair of pulleys with ratchets, so that I could haul up each bpard without fearing to let go. I have seen what looks like something almost suitable on Amazon. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ratchet-Con...le-Reinforced- Internal/dp/B07F1TQLHX/ref=pd_rhf_se_p_img_1? _encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=AC2H9M9TKQPTQ9V8P559 "(2) Pack 1/8 inch Rope Pulley Ratchet Hangers, Convenient Adjustable Reinforced Metal Internal Gears, 6.5-ft Long & 105lbs Weight Grow Light Hangers" The problem is that at 6.5ft the cord is too short if the mounting point is some way away. Am I approaching the problem in too simpolistic a way? TIA I use an electric one.....much better...go to 2.31 to see it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRSCfNT9wLU&t=18s Demonstrating the very worst type of amateur video making. Simple rules 1/ Use a bloody tripod 2/ No zoomimg 3/ No panning 4/No hosepiping. All these 'rules' can of course be broken if you know what you are about. An whats with all these phone clips in portrait mode? |
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 07:10:23 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 21:06:07 GMT, Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote: was thinking very hard : Why not fix a pulley to a rafter, make a suitable sling/carrier and attach it to a rope, temporarily install a pal/child/wife in the loft, and just haul things up for the aforementioned pal/etcetera to unload? I find a robust 10 gallon plastic bucket (old chemical container), with a metal handle works well. I use large garden waste bags such as these https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/1577116379?iid=153941523494 That may solve part of the problem. I need to discover what weight they can handle. Thamk you for that. Alan -- Mint 20.0, kernel 5.4.0-45-generic, Cinnamon 4.6.7 running on an AMD Phenom II X4 Black edition processor with 8GB of DRAM. |
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On 11/11/2020 10:20, pinnerite wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 07:10:23 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote: On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 21:06:07 GMT, Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote: was thinking very hard : Why not fix a pulley to a rafter, make a suitable sling/carrier and attach it to a rope, temporarily install a pal/child/wife in the loft, and just haul things up for the aforementioned pal/etcetera to unload? I find a robust 10 gallon plastic bucket (old chemical container), with a metal handle works well. I use large garden waste bags such as these https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/1577116379?iid=153941523494 That may solve part of the problem. I need to discover what weight they can handle. Thamk you for that. Alan Pick-up a used 1m3 "builder's bag" from a building site, I think they're rated to 1T (for things like sand, soil and ballast) but will certainly be adequate for your needs. They have 4 handles (and a couple of forklift loops) so would be very easy to put a rope through - and free! |
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An what's with all these phone clips in portrait mode?
what????? |
Hiosting stuff into loft
In article ,
wrote: On 11/11/2020 10:20, pinnerite wrote: On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 07:10:23 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote: On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 21:06:07 GMT, Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote: was thinking very hard : Why not fix a pulley to a rafter, make a suitable sling/carrier and attach it to a rope, temporarily install a pal/child/wife in the loft, and just haul things up for the aforementioned pal/etcetera to unload? I find a robust 10 gallon plastic bucket (old chemical container), with a metal handle works well. I use large garden waste bags such as these https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/1577116379?iid=153941523494 That may solve part of the problem. I need to discover what weight they can handle. Thamk you for that. Alan Pick-up a used 1m3 "builder's bag" from a building site, I think they're rated to 1T (for things like sand, soil and ballast) but will certainly be adequate for your needs. They have 4 handles (and a couple of forklift loops) so would be very easy to put a rope through - and free! if you don't want a used one, Screfix sell new ones. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
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On 11/11/2020 10:20, pinnerite wrote: On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 07:10:23 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote: On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 21:06:07 GMT, Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote: was thinking very hard : Why not fix a pulley to a rafter, make a suitable sling/carrier and attach it to a rope, temporarily install a pal/child/wife in the loft, and just haul things up for the aforementioned pal/etcetera to unload? I find a robust 10 gallon plastic bucket (old chemical container), with a metal handle works well. I use large garden waste bags such as these https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/1577116379?iid=153941523494 That may solve part of the problem. I need to discover what weight they can handle. Thamk you for that. Alan Pick-up a used 1m3 "builder's bag" from a building site, I think they're rated to 1T (for things like sand, soil and ballast) but will certainly be adequate for your needs. They have 4 handles (and a couple of forklift loops) so would be very easy to put a rope through - and free! Surely quite impossible to get up through the loft hatch though. -- Chris Green · |
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wrote in message ... Why not fix a pulley to a rafter, make a suitable sling/carrier and attach it to a rope, temporarily install a pal/child/wife in the loft, and just haul things up for the aforementioned pal/etcetera to unload? There is no need for anyone in the loft. You lay the load underneath the hatch, attach the hook, climb the ladder move the ladder to one side and pull it up yourself. Again as suggested elsewhere there's no need for a ratchet. Just a cleat screwed to a rafter around which secure the rope in the event of any temporary problem in manouvering the load through the hatch etc . michael adams .... |
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On 11/11/2020 11:45, Chris Green wrote:
wrote: On 11/11/2020 10:20, pinnerite wrote: On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 07:10:23 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote: On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 21:06:07 GMT, Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote: was thinking very hard : Why not fix a pulley to a rafter, make a suitable sling/carrier and attach it to a rope, temporarily install a pal/child/wife in the loft, and just haul things up for the aforementioned pal/etcetera to unload? I find a robust 10 gallon plastic bucket (old chemical container), with a metal handle works well. I use large garden waste bags such as these https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/1577116379?iid=153941523494 That may solve part of the problem. I need to discover what weight they can handle. Thamk you for that. Alan Pick-up a used 1m3 "builder's bag" from a building site, I think they're rated to 1T (for things like sand, soil and ballast) but will certainly be adequate for your needs. They have 4 handles (and a couple of forklift loops) so would be very easy to put a rope through - and free! Surely quite impossible to get up through the loft hatch though. errr - they're bags so are flexible |
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wrote: On 11/11/2020 10:20, pinnerite wrote: On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 07:10:23 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote: On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 21:06:07 GMT, Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote: was thinking very hard : Why not fix a pulley to a rafter, make a suitable sling/carrier and attach it to a rope, temporarily install a pal/child/wife in the loft, and just haul things up for the aforementioned pal/etcetera to unload? I find a robust 10 gallon plastic bucket (old chemical container), with a metal handle works well. I use large garden waste bags such as these https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/1577116379?iid=153941523494 That may solve part of the problem. I need to discover what weight they can handle. Thamk you for that. Alan Pick-up a used 1m3 "builder's bag" from a building site, I think they're rated to 1T (for things like sand, soil and ballast) but will certainly be adequate for your needs. They have 4 handles (and a couple of forklift loops) so would be very easy to put a rope through - and free! Surely quite impossible to get up through the loft hatch though. Toolsatan do a half-tonne bag. 89263 73x73x70 |
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On 11/11/2020 10:20, pinnerite wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 07:10:23 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote: On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 21:06:07 GMT, Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote: was thinking very hard : Why not fix a pulley to a rafter, make a suitable sling/carrier and attach it to a rope, temporarily install a pal/child/wife in the loft, and just haul things up for the aforementioned pal/etcetera to unload? I find a robust 10 gallon plastic bucket (old chemical container), with a metal handle works well. I use large garden waste bags such as these https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/1577116379?iid=153941523494 That may solve part of the problem. I need to discover what weight they can handle. Thamk you for that. Alan Is this roof made of modern trusses or cut timber ?. You need to consider the weight of all that chipboard. I only did the section immediately around the loft hatch with 18mm t&g 2400 by 600 flooring. For the section where the roof line makes standing up impossible I used a load of ex-B&Q mdf display panels on homemade upstands and lateral 47x47mm timber to allow 300mm of insulation. The central section was re-insulated with extruded polystyrene. |
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On 11/11/2020 11:22, charles wrote:
In article , wrote: On 11/11/2020 10:20, pinnerite wrote: On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 07:10:23 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote: On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 21:06:07 GMT, Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote: was thinking very hard : Why not fix a pulley to a rafter, make a suitable sling/carrier and attach it to a rope, temporarily install a pal/child/wife in the loft, and just haul things up for the aforementioned pal/etcetera to unload? I find a robust 10 gallon plastic bucket (old chemical container), with a metal handle works well. I use large garden waste bags such as these https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/1577116379?iid=153941523494 That may solve part of the problem. I need to discover what weight they can handle. Thamk you for that. Alan Pick-up a used 1m3 "builder's bag" from a building site, I think they're rated to 1T (for things like sand, soil and ballast) but will certainly be adequate for your needs. They have 4 handles (and a couple of forklift loops) so would be very easy to put a rope through - and free! if you don't want a used one, Screfix sell new ones. is he making a trebuchet to catapolt the flooring up from the garden ? |
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On 11/11/2020 11:03, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
Â*An what's with all these phone clips in portrait mode? what????? You're holding the phone the wrong way for 16:9 display devices. |
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On 11/11/2020 07:55, Muddymike wrote:
On 10/11/2020 17:22, pinnerite wrote: In a couple of months shall be downsizing from a 4-bedroom house to a small bungalow. I shall be flooring the loft which will be esential for storage. The existing loft ladder is a flimsy affair. I intend to replace it with a cascading section staircase such as a Ramsey. At first I will need to get a substantial number of floor-boards (600 x 2400 x 18mm) up there. My original plan was to lay them one at a time on the "staircase" and gradually push them up until they tip into the loft. What would make it easier woud be if I could install a pair of pulleys with ratchets, so that I could haul up each bpard without fearing to let go. When we were house hunting one we viewed had an electric hoist with remote control mounted to the rafters above the loft hatch. Mike Did you check the ceiling for signs of sagging ?. If you need a hoist to get stuff into and out of the loft then either, you are putting too much weight up there, or you are too old to get it back down again safely anyway. |
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On 11/11/2020 14:02, Andrew wrote:
On 11/11/2020 11:03, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: Â*Â*An what's with all these phone clips in portrait mode? what????? You're holding the phone the wrong way for 16:9 display devices. wasn't a phone think it was a fuji camera.... |
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When we were house hunting one we viewed had an electric hoist with remote control mounted to the rafters above the loft hatch. Mike Did you check the ceiling for signs of sagging ?. If you need a hoist to get stuff into and out of the loft then either, you are putting too much weight up there, or you are too old to get it back down again safely anyway. bollox |
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On 11/11/2020 11:45, Chris Green wrote: wrote: On 11/11/2020 10:20, pinnerite wrote: On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 07:10:23 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote: On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 21:06:07 GMT, Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote: was thinking very hard : Why not fix a pulley to a rafter, make a suitable sling/carrier and attach it to a rope, temporarily install a pal/child/wife in the loft, and just haul things up for the aforementioned pal/etcetera to unload? I find a robust 10 gallon plastic bucket (old chemical container), with a metal handle works well. I use large garden waste bags such as these https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/1577116379?iid=153941523494 That may solve part of the problem. I need to discover what weight they can handle. Thamk you for that. Alan Pick-up a used 1m3 "builder's bag" from a building site, I think they're rated to 1T (for things like sand, soil and ballast) but will certainly be adequate for your needs. They have 4 handles (and a couple of forklift loops) so would be very easy to put a rope through - and free! Surely quite impossible to get up through the loft hatch though. errr - they're bags so are flexible Yes, but if they're full of something they can't really be squeezed through a hole. -- Chris Green · |
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On 11/11/2020 14:18, Chris Green wrote:
wrote: On 11/11/2020 11:45, Chris Green wrote: wrote: On 11/11/2020 10:20, pinnerite wrote: On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 07:10:23 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote: On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 21:06:07 GMT, Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote: was thinking very hard : Why not fix a pulley to a rafter, make a suitable sling/carrier and attach it to a rope, temporarily install a pal/child/wife in the loft, and just haul things up for the aforementioned pal/etcetera to unload? I find a robust 10 gallon plastic bucket (old chemical container), with a metal handle works well. I use large garden waste bags such as these https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/1577116379?iid=153941523494 That may solve part of the problem. I need to discover what weight they can handle. Thamk you for that. Alan Pick-up a used 1m3 "builder's bag" from a building site, I think they're rated to 1T (for things like sand, soil and ballast) but will certainly be adequate for your needs. They have 4 handles (and a couple of forklift loops) so would be very easy to put a rope through - and free! Surely quite impossible to get up through the loft hatch though. errr - they're bags so are flexible Yes, but if they're full of something they can't really be squeezed through a hole. I guess the task can double as an intelligence test ;-) |
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Andrew wrote:
Did you check the ceiling for signs of sagging ?. If you need a hoist to get stuff into and out of the loft then either, you are putting too much weight up there, or you are too old to get it back down again safely anyway. It depends a lot on the angles. Went from somewhere with a 60 degree ladder (easy - walk up it carrying whatever, much like stairs) to no ladder (erect a stepladder, do roughly the same thing, making very sure you don't knock over the ladder in the process. Loft was unboarded so just place things from where you can reach at the top of the stepladder) to a vertical ladder (two step process: carry thing up three steps of ladder, push onto first board next to loft hatch. Ascend rest of ladder, collect thing from ledge, move into loft. Descend, repeat for next item) In the last case a pulley would have made it much more efficient as you could do the first step entirely from the ground, and mean you avoid having to carry something up a vertical ladder. Theo |
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