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I am not sure if this is the correct NG but here goes.
I have a vintage Techics Hi-fi system that has stood idle since the arrival of widescreen TV, mainly because it is on the opposite side of the room. The TV is connected to a computer that runs Mythtv an serves as an HTPC. It has a cheap 3-speaker pc system that is an improvement on the TV's speaker but is in no way "good". We plan to move and I wondered if the hi-fi system could be geared to the TV and /or computer. I am uncertain as to the best way to connect up. Inputs to tha ampifier are all phono sockets. -- Mint 20.0, kernel 5.4.0-42-generic, Cinnamon 4.6.7 running on an AMD Phenom II X4 Black edition processor with 8GB of DRAM. |
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On 27/10/2020 18:16, pinnerite wrote:
I am not sure if this is the correct NG but here goes. I have a vintage Techics Hi-fi system that has stood idle since the arrival of widescreen TV, mainly because it is on the opposite side of the room. The TV is connected to a computer that runs Mythtv an serves as an HTPC. It has a cheap 3-speaker pc system that is an improvement on the TV's speaker but is in no way "good". We plan to move and I wondered if the hi-fi system could be geared to the TV and /or computer. I am uncertain as to the best way to connect up. Inputs to tha ampifier are all phono sockets. The question is, what audio outputs the TV has (if any). Some "modern" TVs don't have an audio output, or only optical, but you can get HDMI adapters to extract the audio from one of the TV sockets I think. My Sony has a 3.5mm jack socket, and it can be configured (through the menus) to act as a line output rather than for a headphone, but the headphone output should work all right, as the mismatch in level compensates for the mismatch in impedance. -- Max Demian |
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 18:31:04 +0000, Max Demian wrote:
On 27/10/2020 18:16, pinnerite wrote: I am not sure if this is the correct NG but here goes. I have a vintage Techics Hi-fi system that has stood idle since the arrival of widescreen TV, mainly because it is on the opposite side of the room. The TV is connected to a computer that runs Mythtv an serves as an HTPC. It has a cheap 3-speaker pc system that is an improvement on the TV's speaker but is in no way "good". We plan to move and I wondered if the hi-fi system could be geared to the TV and /or computer. I am uncertain as to the best way to connect up. Inputs to tha ampifier are all phono sockets. The question is, what audio outputs the TV has (if any). Some "modern" TVs don't have an audio output, or only optical, but you can get HDMI adapters to extract the audio from one of the TV sockets I think. My Sony has a 3.5mm jack socket, and it can be configured (through the menus) to act as a line output rather than for a headphone, but the headphone output should work all right, as the mismatch in level compensates for the mismatch in impedance. Thanks for this but I think I really need to replace the 2:1 computer sound system with the hi-fi system. It looks like you have clarified this. The grren socket aotputs analog sound and that can go straight into the amplifier. Thank you. -- Mint 20.0, kernel 5.4.0-45-generic, Cinnamon 4.6.7 running on an AMD Phenom II X4 Black edition processor with 8GB of DRAM. |
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On 27/10/2020 18:31, Max Demian wrote:
On 27/10/2020 18:16, pinnerite wrote: I am not sure if this is the correct NG but here goes. I have a vintage Techics Hi-fi system that has stood idle since the arrival of widescreen TV, mainly because it is on the opposite side of the room. The TV is connected to a computer that runs Mythtv an serves as an HTPC. It has a cheap 3-speaker pc system that is an improvement on the TV's speaker but is in no way "good". We plan to move and I wondered if the hi-fi system could be geared to the TV and /or computer.Â* I am uncertain as to the best way to connect up. Inputs to tha ampifier are all phono sockets. The question is, what audio outputs the TV has (if any). Some "modern" TVs don't have an audio output, or only optical, but you can get HDMI adapters to extract the audio from one of the TV sockets I think. My Sony has a 3.5mm jack socket, and it can be configured (through the menus) to act as a line output rather than for a headphone, but the headphone output should work all right, as the mismatch in level compensates for the mismatch in impedance. yes. I am driving my hifi from a 'headphone' socket. that way the volume control on the TV works. I think on that TV the only other alternative is optical, and that needs a converter. -- If I had all the money I've spent on drink... ...I'd spend it on drink. Sir Henry (at Rawlinson's End) |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 27/10/2020 18:31, Max Demian wrote: On 27/10/2020 18:16, pinnerite wrote: I am not sure if this is the correct NG but here goes. I have a vintage Techics Hi-fi system that has stood idle since the arrival of widescreen TV, mainly because it is on the opposite side of the room. The TV is connected to a computer that runs Mythtv an serves as an HTPC. It has a cheap 3-speaker pc system that is an improvement on the TV's speaker but is in no way "good". We plan to move and I wondered if the hi-fi system could be geared to the TV and /or computer. I am uncertain as to the best way to connect up. Inputs to tha ampifier are all phono sockets. The question is, what audio outputs the TV has (if any). Some "modern" TVs don't have an audio output, or only optical, but you can get HDMI adapters to extract the audio from one of the TV sockets I think. My Sony has a 3.5mm jack socket, and it can be configured (through the menus) to act as a line output rather than for a headphone, but the headphone output should work all right, as the mismatch in level compensates for the mismatch in impedance. yes. I am driving my hifi from a 'headphone' socket. that way the volume control on the TV works. I think on that TV the only other alternative is optical, and that needs a converter. My hi-fi unit has an optical input. To be coupled up today or tomorrow. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
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... In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 27/10/2020 18:31, Max Demian wrote: On 27/10/2020 18:16, pinnerite wrote: I am not sure if this is the correct NG but here goes. I have a vintage Techics Hi-fi system that has stood idle since the arrival of widescreen TV, mainly because it is on the opposite side of the room. The TV is connected to a computer that runs Mythtv an serves as an HTPC. It has a cheap 3-speaker pc system that is an improvement on the TV's speaker but is in no way "good". We plan to move and I wondered if the hi-fi system could be geared to the TV and /or computer. I am uncertain as to the best way to connect up. Inputs to tha ampifier are all phono sockets. The question is, what audio outputs the TV has (if any). Some "modern" TVs don't have an audio output, or only optical, but you can get HDMI adapters to extract the audio from one of the TV sockets I think. My Sony has a 3.5mm jack socket, and it can be configured (through the menus) to act as a line output rather than for a headphone, but the headphone output should work all right, as the mismatch in level compensates for the mismatch in impedance. When I lived in a much smaller house with my settee only about 4 feet from the (14") TV, I had my hi-fi unit next to the TV, and took a line-out feed from the VCR to the hi-fi, and listened using wired headphones. This was because the sound circuit and speaker in the TV were fairly poor - and anyway they were mono because the TV predated NICAM. I very rarely, if ever, had the volume turned up on the TV. One thing that was interesting was to play the sound of ITV (Southern/Meridian) through the TV and sound from ITV (Thames/LWT) through the hi-fi and headphones - I could receive from both regions - and there was a time lag that was just perceivable, especially on the "bongs" of News at Ten. Nowadays, with fully digital feed to the transmitters and from the transmitters to the TV, I imagine that the time difference might be *much* greater depending on buffering. |
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On 27/10/2020 18:16, pinnerite wrote:
I am not sure if this is the correct NG but here goes. I have a vintage Techics Hi-fi system that has stood idle since the arrival of widescreen TV, mainly because it is on the opposite side of the room. The TV is connected to a computer that runs Mythtv an serves as an HTPC. It has a cheap 3-speaker pc system that is an improvement on the TV's speaker but is in no way "good". We plan to move and I wondered if the hi-fi system could be geared to the TV and /or computer. I am uncertain as to the best way to connect up. Inputs to tha ampifier are all phono sockets. Yup in theory fine, as long as the amp has some spare inputs and you can get a suitable line level signal to feed them. Note that the PC will see the audio device on the end of the HDMI lead and its own analogue outputs as separate audio output devices, so you may need to switch between them if swapping from TV to HiFi audio. (or take a feed to the amp from the the TV to capture whatever its "playing". Sometimes this may need to be via a optical to phone converter since not all modern TVs have analogue audio outputs for some daft reason, but most have a SPDIF / Toslink out) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 27/10/2020 19:48, John Rumm wrote:
On 27/10/2020 18:16, pinnerite wrote: I am not sure if this is the correct NG but here goes. I have a vintage Techics Hi-fi system that has stood idle since the arrival of widescreen TV, mainly because it is on the opposite side of the room. The TV is connected to a computer that runs Mythtv an serves as an HTPC. It has a cheap 3-speaker pc system that is an improvement on the TV's speaker but is in no way "good". We plan to move and I wondered if the hi-fi system could be geared to the TV and /or computer.Â* I am uncertain as to the best way to connect up. Inputs to tha ampifier are all phono sockets. Yup in theory fine, as long as the amp has some spare inputs and you can get a suitable line level signal to feed them. Note that the PC will see the audio device on the end of the HDMI lead and its own analogue outputs as separate audio output devices, so you may need to switch between them if swapping from TV to HiFi audio. (or take a feed to the amp from the the TV to capture whatever its "playing". Sometimes this may need to be via a optical to phone converter since not all modern TVs have analogue audio outputs for some daft reason, but most have a SPDIF / Toslink out) Lip Sync ?. I have a Denon mini hifi system upstairs in my computer room/office and a 20? YO Phillips cassette/radio in the kitchen. If both are on and tuned to the same BBC FM channel I can hear that they are out of sync for some reason. |
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On 28/10/2020 13:58, Andrew wrote:
On 27/10/2020 19:48, John Rumm wrote: On 27/10/2020 18:16, pinnerite wrote: I am not sure if this is the correct NG but here goes. I have a vintage Techics Hi-fi system that has stood idle since the arrival of widescreen TV, mainly because it is on the opposite side of the room. The TV is connected to a computer that runs Mythtv an serves as an HTPC. It has a cheap 3-speaker pc system that is an improvement on the TV's speaker but is in no way "good". We plan to move and I wondered if the hi-fi system could be geared to the TV and /or computer.Â* I am uncertain as to the best way to connect up. Inputs to tha ampifier are all phono sockets. Yup in theory fine, as long as the amp has some spare inputs and you can get a suitable line level signal to feed them. Note that the PC will see the audio device on the end of the HDMI lead and its own analogue outputs as separate audio output devices, so you may need to switch between them if swapping from TV to HiFi audio. (or take a feed to the amp from the the TV to capture whatever its "playing". Sometimes this may need to be via a optical to phone converter since not all modern TVs have analogue audio outputs for some daft reason, but most have a SPDIF / Toslink out) Lip Sync ?. I have a Denon mini hifi system upstairs in my computer room/office and a 20? YO Phillips cassette/radio in the kitchen. If both are on and tuned to the same BBC FM channel I can hear that they are out of sync for some reason. Is the Denon playing from its FM tuner, or is it playing from a computer based online radio? -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 28/10/2020 14:08, John Rumm wrote:
On 28/10/2020 13:58, Andrew wrote: On 27/10/2020 19:48, John Rumm wrote: On 27/10/2020 18:16, pinnerite wrote: I am not sure if this is the correct NG but here goes. I have a vintage Techics Hi-fi system that has stood idle since the arrival of widescreen TV, mainly because it is on the opposite side of the room. The TV is connected to a computer that runs Mythtv an serves as an HTPC. It has a cheap 3-speaker pc system that is an improvement on the TV's speaker but is in no way "good". We plan to move and I wondered if the hi-fi system could be geared to the TV and /or computer.Â* I am uncertain as to the best way to connect up. Inputs to tha ampifier are all phono sockets. Yup in theory fine, as long as the amp has some spare inputs and you can get a suitable line level signal to feed them. Note that the PC will see the audio device on the end of the HDMI lead and its own analogue outputs as separate audio output devices, so you may need to switch between them if swapping from TV to HiFi audio. (or take a feed to the amp from the the TV to capture whatever its "playing". Sometimes this may need to be via a optical to phone converter since not all modern TVs have analogue audio outputs for some daft reason, but most have a SPDIF / Toslink out) Lip Sync ?. I have a Denon mini hifi system upstairs in my computer room/office and a 20? YO Phillips cassette/radio in the kitchen. If both are on and tuned to the same BBC FM channel I can hear that they are out of sync for some reason. Is the Denon playing from its FM tuner, or is it playing from a computer based online radio? Both receiving FM radio through their radio tuner circuitry. denon connected to home-brew FM aerial in loft, Phillips using its antenna aerial. |
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On 28/10/2020 13:58, Andrew wrote:
On 27/10/2020 19:48, John Rumm wrote: On 27/10/2020 18:16, pinnerite wrote: I am not sure if this is the correct NG but here goes. I have a vintage Techics Hi-fi system that has stood idle since the arrival of widescreen TV, mainly because it is on the opposite side of the room. The TV is connected to a computer that runs Mythtv an serves as an HTPC. It has a cheap 3-speaker pc system that is an improvement on the TV's speaker but is in no way "good". We plan to move and I wondered if the hi-fi system could be geared to the TV and /or computer.Â* I am uncertain as to the best way to connect up. Inputs to tha ampifier are all phono sockets. Yup in theory fine, as long as the amp has some spare inputs and you can get a suitable line level signal to feed them. Note that the PC will see the audio device on the end of the HDMI lead and its own analogue outputs as separate audio output devices, so you may need to switch between them if swapping from TV to HiFi audio. (or take a feed to the amp from the the TV to capture whatever its "playing". Sometimes this may need to be via a optical to phone converter since not all modern TVs have analogue audio outputs for some daft reason, but most have a SPDIF / Toslink out) Lip Sync ?. Not a problem if you are taking the feed off the TV itself. The delay in the optical to DAC converter is at most a few us. I have a Denon mini hifi system upstairs in my computer room/office and a 20? YO Phillips cassette/radio in the kitchen. If both are on and tuned to the same BBC FM channel I can hear that they are out of sync for some reason. Are you sure one of them isn't on DAB or using a DAB digital tuner of some sort for FM reception which introduces an interesting delay on programme content (as well as being highly inefficient). Most noticeable when the pips are on the hour and you can hear more than one tuner in different rooms. A classical FM decoder should produce a radio output with at most a few us timing error. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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Martin Brown wrote: I have a Denon mini hifi system upstairs in my computer room/office and a 20? YO Phillips cassette/radio in the kitchen. If both are on and tuned to the same BBC FM channel I can hear that they are out of sync for some reason. Are you sure one of them isn't on DAB or using a DAB digital tuner of some sort for FM reception which introduces an interesting delay on programme content (as well as being highly inefficient). No audible delay between any FM tuners I've ever heard. But may well be within the computer, which likely changes the analogue to digital and then back to analogue for its speakers. -- *Velcro - what a rip off!* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 28/10/2020 16:36, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Martin Brown wrote: I have a Denon mini hifi system upstairs in my computer room/office and a 20? YO Phillips cassette/radio in the kitchen. If both are on and tuned to the same BBC FM channel I can hear that they are out of sync for some reason. Are you sure one of them isn't on DAB or using a DAB digital tuner of some sort for FM reception which introduces an interesting delay on programme content (as well as being highly inefficient). No audible delay between any FM tuners I've ever heard. But may well be within the computer, which likely changes the analogue to digital and then back to analogue for its speakers. Roberts Play using FM has a bit of an echo with other (frequency synthesiser type) FM radios. Motorola smart phone FM radio function has a delay of about 1/3 second. So there must be some digital processing, even with FM. (DAB is about 3 seconds behind.) -- Max Demian |
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I don't see why not. I have an optical to phono output on the Samsung bought
from Amazon. The only issue I had was that hdmi lead to pc, put pc sound into tv after the optical output, so had to pretend it was not hdmi by using a vga to hdmi box and leaving the sound going via my external sound card which has phonos too, so one could simply switch it as another source. I have an annoying pulse though tht goes sheesh every few seconds if the hdmi is connected on any input, Suspect some polling from the TV even in standby is actually getting in via an earth loop somewhere, but I guess I will find it in the end! I do find however that modern tvs max output via line on these dongles is a lot lower than the sound effects the TV makes and all other sound inputs so one obviously does need some kind of level adjustment device I think. Too many different standards, clearly! Brian -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "pinnerite" wrote in message ... I am not sure if this is the correct NG but here goes. I have a vintage Techics Hi-fi system that has stood idle since the arrival of widescreen TV, mainly because it is on the opposite side of the room. The TV is connected to a computer that runs Mythtv an serves as an HTPC. It has a cheap 3-speaker pc system that is an improvement on the TV's speaker but is in no way "good". We plan to move and I wondered if the hi-fi system could be geared to the TV and /or computer. I am uncertain as to the best way to connect up. Inputs to tha ampifier are all phono sockets. -- Mint 20.0, kernel 5.4.0-42-generic, Cinnamon 4.6.7 running on an AMD Phenom II X4 Black edition processor with 8GB of DRAM. |
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pinnerite wrote: I am not sure if this is the correct NG but here goes. I have a vintage Techics Hi-fi system that has stood idle since the arrival of widescreen TV, mainly because it is on the opposite side of the room. The TV is connected to a computer that runs Mythtv an serves as an HTPC. It has a cheap 3-speaker pc system that is an improvement on the TV's speaker but is in no way "good". We plan to move and I wondered if the hi-fi system could be geared to the TV and /or computer. I am uncertain as to the best way to connect up. Inputs to tha ampifier are all phono sockets. A modern TV may well not have phono outputs. It likely has a headphone socket, but maybe an ugly way to do it. But it will have an optical sound output - toslink. You can buy toslink to phono adaptors for not a lot. But they are mains powered. If you don't want to run cables between them, pass. -- *DON'T SWEAT THE PETTY THINGS AND DON'T PET THE SWEATY THINGS. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 18:16:40 -0000 (UTC), pinnerite wrote:
I am not sure if this is the correct NG but here goes. I have a vintage Techics Hi-fi system that has stood idle since the arrival of widescreen TV, mainly because it is on the opposite side of the room. The TV is connected to a computer that runs Mythtv an serves as an HTPC. It has a cheap 3-speaker pc system that is an improvement on the TV's speaker but is in no way "good". We plan to move and I wondered if the hi-fi system could be geared to the TV and /or computer. I am uncertain as to the best way to connect up. Inputs to tha ampifier are all phono sockets. Just don't put the speakers close to the TV. I've a pair of good KEF but wouldn't want them within a yard of the TV - but don't have room for them anyway. I bought a reasonable sound bar and it's agreat improvement. No point in paying too much as I don't want a sub and going for excellent sound would be wasted on my hearing. -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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PeterC wrote: Just don't put the speakers close to the TV. I've a pair of good KEF but wouldn't want them within a yard of the TV Don't think that applies with a flat screen set. Only CRT types. -- *Is there another word for synonym? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 28/10/2020 16:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , PeterC wrote: Just don't put the speakers close to the TV. I've a pair of good KEF but wouldn't want them within a yard of the TV Don't think that applies with a flat screen set. Only CRT types. I used to have a big speaker right next to a CRT TV; it must have "got used" to it being there, as removing it resulted in faint colour effects on a plain white field. -- Max Demian |
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Max Demian wrote: On 28/10/2020 16:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , PeterC wrote: Just don't put the speakers close to the TV. I've a pair of good KEF but wouldn't want them within a yard of the TV Don't think that applies with a flat screen set. Only CRT types. I used to have a big speaker right next to a CRT TV; it must have "got used" to it being there, as removing it resulted in faint colour effects on a plain white field. Many reasonably up to date speakers from the late CRT days had shielded magnets. Here's one for you to ponder. If stray magnetism affected a TV, what did it do to other speakers in the same box? I'm surprised Russ Andrews doesn't have a product to sort this. -- *The statement below is true. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 28/10/2020 17:32, Max Demian wrote:
On 28/10/2020 16:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â* PeterC wrote: Just don't put the speakers close to the TV. I've a pair of good KEF but wouldn't want them within a yard of the TV Don't think that applies with a flat screen set. Only CRT types. I used to have a big speaker right next to a CRT TV; it must have "got used" to it being there, as removing it resulted in faint colour effects on a plain white field. colour TVS were degaussed ...on switch on. Probably after a few hundred more that would have faded. -- "The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him." - Leo Tolstoy |
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I am not sure if this is the correct NG but here goes. I have a vintage Techics Hi-fi system that has stood idle since the arrival of widescreen TV, mainly because it is on the opposite side of the room. The TV is connected to a computer that runs Mythtv an serves as an HTPC. It has a cheap 3-speaker pc system that is an improvement on the TV's speaker but is in no way "good". We plan to move and I wondered if the hi-fi system could be geared to the TV and /or computer. I am uncertain as to the best way to connect up. Inputs to tha ampifier are all phono sockets. There's a whole world of connectors out there, to go from 1/8" to stereo phono. I made up a bunch of adapter cables for my receiver/mixer, so I could combine all audio device signals into the one unit. https://static.bhphoto.com/images/im...70_1020436.jpg There are also cables with one type on one end, and the other type on the opposite end. Doing it DIY is to save some money on the deal. The red and the white coloration are to suit the standard for labeling Left and Right. Paul |
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On 27/10/2020 18:16, pinnerite wrote:
I am not sure if this is the correct NG but here goes. I have a vintage Techics Hi-fi system that has stood idle since the arrival of widescreen TV, mainly because it is on the opposite side of the room. The TV is connected to a computer that runs Mythtv an serves as an HTPC. It has a cheap 3-speaker pc system that is an improvement on the TV's speaker but is in no way "good". We plan to move and I wondered if the hi-fi system could be geared to the TV and /or computer. I am uncertain as to the best way to connect up. Inputs to tha ampifier are all phono sockets. Keep it simple. Selecting a gazillion switches just to watch TV is not fun. On the other hand, you probably have multichannel outputs from your computer sound card. And I'm now counting that you effectively you have 5.1 speakers. Do you enjoy films? -- Adrian C |
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