Just ordered an ultrasonic cleaner and, as I expected, you don't get
any cleaning fluid with it.

The cleaner will be used initially to clean jewellery such as gold
earrings, gold chains and necklaces, and watch bracelets, but I also
intend to use it for cleaning car parts and other mechanical stuff.

Is there a recommended 'one size fits all' cleaning fluid as it seems
to be bloody expensive stuff?

I've already seen bottles labelled up as "Carburettor Cleaner",
"Jewellery Cleaner" and "Printed Circuit Cleaner" at about twenty five
quid each for 500ml bottles!

On 10/08/2020 17:36, Cliff Topp wrote:
Just ordered an ultrasonic cleaner and, as I expected, you don't get any
cleaning fluid with it.

The cleaner will be used initially to clean jewellery such as gold
earrings, gold chains and necklaces, and watch bracelets, but I also
intend to use it for cleaning car parts and other mechanical stuff.

Is there a recommended 'one size fits all' cleaning fluid as it seems to
be bloody expensive stuff?

I've already seen bottles labelled up as "Carburettor Cleaner",
"Jewellery Cleaner" and "Printed Circuit Cleaner" at about twenty five
quid each for 500ml bottles!

I mostly used washing up liquid in water in my "home" one before it
dried. At work we would use water in the main container, then immerse a
beaker containing organic solvents with the samples to be cleaned in the
water. We'd typically use trichlorethylene, then trichloroethane once
the former was banned. You could use white spirit or IPA or even meths
for oily/greasy materials. Or biological detergent in water. I wouldn't
be paying £50/litre without very good reason. Looking up the "materials
safety data sheet" (MSDS) for such products will give you a pretty good
indication of what they contain. Post some names and I will give you an
opinion.

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 20:29:04 +0100, newshound wrote:

Just ordered an ultrasonic cleaner and, as I expected, you don't
get
any cleaning fluid with it.

Water, may be a spot of washing up liquid. Remember the cleaning
action is mechanical.

TBH for oily/greasy car parts I don't think you can beat petrol and
an old tooth brush.

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Dave.

Cliff Topp pretended :
Just ordered an ultrasonic cleaner and, as I expected, you don't get any
cleaning fluid with it.

The cleaner will be used initially to clean jewellery such as gold earrings,
gold chains and necklaces, and watch bracelets, but I also intend to use it
for cleaning car parts and other mechanical stuff.

Is there a recommended 'one size fits all' cleaning fluid as it seems to be
bloody expensive stuff?

I've already seen bottles labelled up as "Carburettor Cleaner", "Jewellery
Cleaner" and "Printed Circuit Cleaner" at about twenty five quid each for
500ml bottles!

Thanks chaps. Newshound, I'll do that tomorrow, cheers.

On Monday, 10 August 2020 17:37:02 UTC+1, Cliff Topp wrote:
Just ordered an ultrasonic cleaner and, as I expected, you don't get
any cleaning fluid with it.

The cleaner will be used initially to clean jewellery such as gold
earrings, gold chains and necklaces, and watch bracelets, but I also
intend to use it for cleaning car parts and other mechanical stuff.

Is there a recommended 'one size fits all' cleaning fluid as it seems
to be bloody expensive stuff?

I've already seen bottles labelled up as "Carburettor Cleaner",
"Jewellery Cleaner" and "Printed Circuit Cleaner" at about twenty five
quid each for 500ml bottles!

For domestic goods, water & a little detergent.
For car parts, paraffin


NT

You need to be careful if cleaning pcbs as a friend did this and all the pcb
screen printing and component markings came off.

I thought IPA was one of the substances used .
Brian

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"Cliff Topp" wrote in message ...
Just ordered an ultrasonic cleaner and, as I expected, you don't get any
cleaning fluid with it.

The cleaner will be used initially to clean jewellery such as gold
earrings, gold chains and necklaces, and watch bracelets, but I also
intend to use it for cleaning car parts and other mechanical stuff.

Is there a recommended 'one size fits all' cleaning fluid as it seems to
be bloody expensive stuff?

I've already seen bottles labelled up as "Carburettor Cleaner", "Jewellery
Cleaner" and "Printed Circuit Cleaner" at about twenty five quid each for
500ml bottles!

Yes Trike and Acetone also used to be used, but they were pretty brutal
things if you got the thing wrong material wise. Not to mention the user
getting double vision.
Brian

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On 10/08/2020 17:36, Cliff Topp wrote:
Just ordered an ultrasonic cleaner and, as I expected, you don't get any
cleaning fluid with it.

The cleaner will be used initially to clean jewellery such as gold
earrings, gold chains and necklaces, and watch bracelets, but I also
intend to use it for cleaning car parts and other mechanical stuff.

Is there a recommended 'one size fits all' cleaning fluid as it seems to
be bloody expensive stuff?

I've already seen bottles labelled up as "Carburettor Cleaner",
"Jewellery Cleaner" and "Printed Circuit Cleaner" at about twenty five
quid each for 500ml bottles!

I mostly used washing up liquid in water in my "home" one before it dried.
At work we would use water in the main container, then immerse a beaker
containing organic solvents with the samples to be cleaned in the water.
We'd typically use trichlorethylene, then trichloroethane once the former
was banned. You could use white spirit or IPA or even meths for
oily/greasy materials. Or biological detergent in water. I wouldn't be
paying £50/litre without very good reason. Looking up the "materials
safety data sheet" (MSDS) for such products will give you a pretty good
indication of what they contain. Post some names and I will give you an
opinion.

Yes that can be almost addictive. After a while you don't notice the smell
but everyone else gives you a wide birth.

Brian

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On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 20:29:04 +0100, newshound wrote:

Just ordered an ultrasonic cleaner and, as I expected, you don't
get
any cleaning fluid with it.

Water, may be a spot of washing up liquid. Remember the cleaning
action is mechanical.

TBH for oily/greasy car parts I don't think you can beat petrol and
an old tooth brush.

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Dave.

Hmm, they are quite good for cleaning spectacles, all that dirt that gets
around the edges of lenses and the nose pieces etc.
I don't have access to one now but they are very handy.
Brian

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Cliff Topp pretended :
Just ordered an ultrasonic cleaner and, as I expected, you don't get any
cleaning fluid with it.

The cleaner will be used initially to clean jewellery such as gold
earrings, gold chains and necklaces, and watch bracelets, but I also
intend to use it for cleaning car parts and other mechanical stuff.

Is there a recommended 'one size fits all' cleaning fluid as it seems to
be bloody expensive stuff?

I've already seen bottles labelled up as "Carburettor Cleaner",
"Jewellery Cleaner" and "Printed Circuit Cleaner" at about twenty five
quid each for 500ml bottles!

Thanks chaps. Newshound, I'll do that tomorrow, cheers.

On 10/08/2020 17:36, Cliff Topp wrote:
Just ordered an ultrasonic cleaner and, as I expected, you don't get any
cleaning fluid with it.

The cleaner will be used initially to clean jewellery such as gold
earrings, gold chains and necklaces, and watch bracelets, but I also
intend to use it for cleaning car parts and other mechanical stuff.

Is there a recommended 'one size fits all' cleaning fluid as it seems to
be bloody expensive stuff?

I've already seen bottles labelled up as "Carburettor Cleaner",
"Jewellery Cleaner" and "Printed Circuit Cleaner" at about twenty five
quid each for 500ml bottles!

This is what the maker of the one I had at work recommended:

https://www.chemiphase.co.uk/citracl...rus-degreaser/


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On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 07:06:29 +0100, Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) wrote:

Yes Trike and Acetone also used to be used, but they were pretty brutal
things if you got the thing wrong material wise. Not to mention the user
getting double vision.
Brian


Carbon Tetrachloride was best for degreasing, then there was a couple of
cases of women being attacked using it. I used to wash my hands in it, but
I applied lanolin soon after they dried.

On 10/08/2020 20:29, newshound wrote:
On 10/08/2020 17:36, Cliff Topp wrote:
Just ordered an ultrasonic cleaner and, as I expected, you don't get
any cleaning fluid with it.

The cleaner will be used initially to clean jewellery such as gold
earrings, gold chains and necklaces, and watch bracelets, but I also
intend to use it for cleaning car parts and other mechanical stuff.

Is there a recommended 'one size fits all' cleaning fluid as it seems
to be bloody expensive stuff?

I've already seen bottles labelled up as "Carburettor Cleaner",
"Jewellery Cleaner" and "Printed Circuit Cleaner" at about twenty five
quid each for 500ml bottles!

I mostly used washing up liquid in water in my "home" one before it
dried. At work we would use water in the main container,

If just being left out to dry possibly a rinse in deionised water (£2
for 5L).


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On 11/08/2020 10:45, alan_m wrote:
On 10/08/2020 20:29, newshound wrote:
On 10/08/2020 17:36, Cliff Topp wrote:
Just ordered an ultrasonic cleaner and, as I expected, you don't get
any cleaning fluid with it.

The cleaner will be used initially to clean jewellery such as gold
earrings, gold chains and necklaces, and watch bracelets, but I also
intend to use it for cleaning car parts and other mechanical stuff.

Is there a recommended 'one size fits all' cleaning fluid as it seems
to be bloody expensive stuff?

I've already seen bottles labelled up as "Carburettor Cleaner",
"Jewellery Cleaner" and "Printed Circuit Cleaner" at about twenty
five quid each for 500ml bottles!

I mostly used washing up liquid in water in my "home" one before it
dried. At work we would use water in the main container,

If just being left out to dry possibly a rinse in deionised water (£2
for 5L).


sorry wrong group AGAIN...sorry

newshound wrote:
On 10/08/2020 17:36, Cliff Topp wrote:
Just ordered an ultrasonic cleaner and, as I expected, you don't get any
cleaning fluid with it.

The cleaner will be used initially to clean jewellery such as gold
earrings, gold chains and necklaces, and watch bracelets, but I also
intend to use it for cleaning car parts and other mechanical stuff.

Is there a recommended 'one size fits all' cleaning fluid as it seems to
be bloody expensive stuff?

I've already seen bottles labelled up as "Carburettor Cleaner",
"Jewellery Cleaner" and "Printed Circuit Cleaner" at about twenty five
quid each for 500ml bottles!

I got some ultrasonic cleaning solution from Rapid, which turned out to be
essentially just washing up liquid (possibly with less salt to thicken it).
It didn't work for cleaning rosin flux from PCBs. Real PCB cleaner is
acetone, but the fire risks of using that in an ultrasonic cleaner indoors
didn't sound like a great plan. (There are water-clean fluxes, but often
you're cleaning a board that might have been touched up with rosin-core
solder)

I used foil takeaway containers containing solution, with just water in the
cleaner. I don't know if there are better or worse intermediate vessels?

Theo

Theo wrote:

Real PCB cleaner is
acetone, but the fire risks of using that in an ultrasonic cleaner indoors
didn't sound like a great plan. (There are water-clean fluxes, but often
you're cleaning a board that might have been touched up with rosin-core
solder)

Try brake cleaner https://youtu.be/d3Qmm6Tegb4

Andy Burns wrote:
Theo wrote:

Real PCB cleaner is
acetone, but the fire risks of using that in an ultrasonic cleaner indoors
didn't sound like a great plan. (There are water-clean fluxes, but often
you're cleaning a board that might have been touched up with rosin-core
solder)

Try brake cleaner https://youtu.be/d3Qmm6Tegb4

Interesting. It appears brake cleaner comes in acetone variety, but this
one (Normfest MC-1) is:

30-50% C7 n-Alkane, isoalkane, cyclene
30-50% C6-7 n-Alkane, isoalkane, cyclene, 5% n-Hexane
1-10% Butane
1-5% carbon dioxide
1-5% propane

So mostly hexane/heptane.

I'm not sure how the flash point would compare to acetone.

Theo

On 11/08/2020 07:09, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
Hmm, they are quite good for cleaning spectacles, all that dirt that gets
around the edges of lenses and the nose pieces etc.
I don't have access to one now but they are very handy.
Brian


I think there's a risk that they lift the anti-scratch coating?

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On 11/08/2020 13:01, Theo wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
Theo wrote:

Real PCB cleaner is
acetone, but the fire risks of using that in an ultrasonic cleaner indoors
didn't sound like a great plan. (There are water-clean fluxes, but often
you're cleaning a board that might have been touched up with rosin-core
solder)

Try brake cleaner https://youtu.be/d3Qmm6Tegb4

Interesting. It appears brake cleaner comes in acetone variety, but this
one (Normfest MC-1) is:

30-50% C7 n-Alkane, isoalkane, cyclene
30-50% C6-7 n-Alkane, isoalkane, cyclene, 5% n-Hexane
1-10% Butane
1-5% carbon dioxide
1-5% propane

So mostly hexane/heptane.

I'm not sure how the flash point would compare to acetone.

Theo

That one must be an aerosol spray. It would be pretty inflammable!

Andy is right, there is always a potential fire risk using flammable
solvents in an ultrasonic cleaner, particularly as they get warm on long
runs. OTOH if they are not left unattended, with a loose cover on the
solvent container the risk is small.

On 11/08/2020 09:10, nightjar wrote:
On 10/08/2020 17:36, Cliff Topp wrote:
Just ordered an ultrasonic cleaner and, as I expected, you don't get
any cleaning fluid with it.

The cleaner will be used initially to clean jewellery such as gold
earrings, gold chains and necklaces, and watch bracelets, but I also
intend to use it for cleaning car parts and other mechanical stuff.

Is there a recommended 'one size fits all' cleaning fluid as it seems
to be bloody expensive stuff?

I've already seen bottles labelled up as "Carburettor Cleaner",
"Jewellery Cleaner" and "Printed Circuit Cleaner" at about twenty five
quid each for 500ml bottles!

This is what the maker of the one I had at work recommended:

https://www.chemiphase.co.uk/citracl...rus-degreaser/



Almost all industrial degreasers are (like this) based on limonene
rather than straight organic solvents these days. They are pretty
effective (and, of course, are usually used in aqueous solutions or
suspensions).

On 11/08/2020 13:35, newshound wrote:
On 11/08/2020 09:10, nightjar wrote:
On 10/08/2020 17:36, Cliff Topp wrote:
Just ordered an ultrasonic cleaner and, as I expected, you don't get
any cleaning fluid with it.

The cleaner will be used initially to clean jewellery such as gold
earrings, gold chains and necklaces, and watch bracelets, but I also
intend to use it for cleaning car parts and other mechanical stuff.

Is there a recommended 'one size fits all' cleaning fluid as it seems
to be bloody expensive stuff?

I've already seen bottles labelled up as "Carburettor Cleaner",
"Jewellery Cleaner" and "Printed Circuit Cleaner" at about twenty
five quid each for 500ml bottles!

This is what the maker of the one I had at work recommended:

https://www.chemiphase.co.uk/citracl...rus-degreaser/



Almost all industrial degreasers are (like this) based on limonene
rather than straight organic solvents these days. They are pretty
effective (and, of course, are usually used in aqueous solutions or
suspensions).

I used to buy trichloroethane in 210 litre drums, so never actually
tried it, but it is a lot cheaper than the stuff the OP mentions.

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On Tuesday, 11 August 2020 at 09:13:42 UTC+1, jon wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 07:06:29 +0100, Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) wrote:

Yes Trike and Acetone also used to be used, but they were pretty brutal
things if you got the thing wrong material wise. Not to mention the user
getting double vision.
Brian
Carbon Tetrachloride was best for degreasing, then there was a couple of
cases of women being attacked using it. I used to wash my hands in it, but
I applied lanolin soon after they dried.

Carbon tet is a dangerous chemical, not recommended.


NT

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 17:36:57 +0100, Cliff Topp wrote:

The cleaner will be used initially to clean jewellery such as gold
earrings, gold chains and necklaces, and watch bracelets, but I also
intend to use it for cleaning car parts and other mechanical stuff.

Citrc acid?

But please google it yourself before using it on car parts: it will eat some
metals, but still is used as a go-to for carb parts by some, mostly for
corrosion removal.(Other say it will eat the metal so badly to not risk using
it.)


Thomas Prufer