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Replacing WC, help
In an existing small bathroom which I need to refurbish, I have a problem
replacing the existing cracked loo. The loo is a low level uncoupled? (not close coupled) suite and has a vertical discharge, I think they used to be described as an "S" trap syphonic pan. The floor of the bathroom is suspended, and the centre of the drain socket is located some 24 cm from the wall on which the cistern is fixed. I require a close coupled, dual flush loo which will fit in the existing set up, I've been looking around at new loos in the sheds etc and they don't seem to have S trap loos any more, only P traps and there isn't the room to fit a 90deg coupling between the existing floor drain socket and the loo discharge stub because it would position the rear of the cistern some 15 inches out from the wall. After much thought and planning, I cannot reposition the suite or re-design the bathroom as the dimensions prohibit this possibility. It's the only loo/bathroom in the house so I cannot contemplate taking up the floor with a view to repositioning the floor drain socket until I've exhausted other possibilities (SWMBO). I think I remember seeing somewhere, sometime, a Loo which had an apron all round the base of the pan which was designed to be sealed on to ceramic tiles (silicon) and within the apron was a vertical discharge stub which was if I remember correctly would approximate to my existing dimensions. I've tried describing it to my local Plumbcentre with little success and have surfed various companies, but dimensions of their products are not easily found. Becoming desperate, can anyone help please?? Regards Tom |
"Tom" wrote in message ... In an existing small bathroom which I need to refurbish, I have a problem replacing the existing cracked loo. The loo is a low level uncoupled? (not close coupled) suite and has a vertical discharge, I think they used to be described as an "S" trap syphonic pan. The floor of the bathroom is suspended, and the centre of the drain socket is located some 24 cm from the wall on which the cistern is fixed. I require a close coupled, dual flush loo which will fit in the existing set up, I've been looking around at new loos in the sheds etc and they don't seem to have S trap loos any more, only P traps and there isn't the room to fit a 90deg coupling between the existing floor drain socket and the loo discharge stub because it would position the rear of the cistern some 15 inches out from the wall. After much thought and planning, I cannot reposition the suite or re-design the bathroom as the dimensions prohibit this possibility. It's the only loo/bathroom in the house so I cannot contemplate taking up the floor with a view to repositioning the floor drain socket until I've exhausted other possibilities (SWMBO). I think I remember seeing somewhere, sometime, a Loo which had an apron all round the base of the pan which was designed to be sealed on to ceramic tiles (silicon) and within the apron was a vertical discharge stub which was if I remember correctly would approximate to my existing dimensions. I've tried describing it to my local Plumbcentre with little success and have surfed various companies, but dimensions of their products are not easily found. Becoming desperate, can anyone help please?? Regards Tom Try a "swan neck" pan connector - these are right-angle pan connectors squashed up like a question mark so that the socket that receives the WC spigot is in the same plane as the vertical section of soil pipe. This is not so easy to describe - look on the BES website (www.bes.ltd.uk) and search for "12712" (use the PRODUCT search - if you use the PART NUMBER search you will find the item without an illustration!) A good plumers merchant will stock them, usually made by Kwickfit. HTH Adrian |
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In an existing small bathroom which I need to refurbish, I have a problem replacing the existing cracked loo. The loo is a low level uncoupled? (not close coupled) suite and has a vertical discharge, I think they used to be described as an "S" trap syphonic pan. The floor of the bathroom is suspended, and the centre of the drain socket is located some 24 cm from the wall on which the cistern is fixed. I require a close coupled, dual flush loo which will fit in the existing set up, I've been looking around at new loos in the sheds etc and they don't seem to have S trap loos any more, only P traps and there isn't the room to fit a 90deg coupling between the existing floor drain socket and the loo discharge stub because it would position the rear of the cistern some 15 inches out from the wall. After much thought and planning, I cannot reposition the suite or re-design the bathroom as the dimensions prohibit this possibility. It's the only loo/bathroom in the house so I cannot contemplate taking up the floor with a view to repositioning the floor drain socket until I've exhausted other possibilities (SWMBO). I think I remember seeing somewhere, sometime, a Loo which had an apron all round the base of the pan which was designed to be sealed on to ceramic tiles (silicon) and within the apron was a vertical discharge stub which was if I remember correctly would approximate to my existing dimensions. I've tried describing it to my local Plumbcentre with little success and have surfed various companies, but dimensions of their products are not easily found. Becoming desperate, can anyone help please?? Regards Tom Tom....... I have exactly the same problem, am eager to see replies. Have been told by a builder today that you can get ( and thinking about it, I have seen them either b&q or wickes)a connecter, instead of a plastic 90% it is ,and I can't remember the name he called it... like a question mark shape. Sort of comes out the loo, comes under it self and then drops down. I wonder if that's what we need??? Steve |
"Tom" wrote in message ... : In an existing small bathroom which I need to refurbish, I have a problem : replacing the existing cracked loo. : The loo is a low level uncoupled? (not close coupled) suite and has a : vertical discharge, I think they used to be described as an "S" trap : syphonic pan. : The floor of the bathroom is suspended, and the centre of the drain socket : is located some 24 cm from the wall on which the cistern is fixed. : I require a close coupled, dual flush loo which will fit in the existing set : up, I've been looking around at new loos in the sheds etc and they don't : seem to have S trap loos any more, only P traps and there isn't the room to : fit a 90deg coupling between the existing floor drain socket and the loo : discharge stub because it would position the rear of the cistern some 15 : inches out from the wall. : After much thought and planning, I cannot reposition the suite or re-design : the bathroom as the dimensions prohibit this possibility. : It's the only loo/bathroom in the house so I cannot contemplate taking up : the floor with a view to repositioning the floor drain socket until I've : exhausted other possibilities (SWMBO). : I think I remember seeing somewhere, sometime, a Loo which had an apron all : round the base of the pan which was designed to be sealed on to ceramic : tiles (silicon) and within the apron was a vertical discharge stub which was : if I remember correctly would approximate to my existing dimensions. : I've tried describing it to my local Plumbcentre with little success and : have surfed various companies, but dimensions of their products are not : easily found. : Becoming desperate, can anyone help please?? : Regards : Tom .................................................. .. Just done the very same thing Tom. Do as Adrian says with what is called a "Swan Neck" that looks like a question mark from side view, got mine from B&Q (about the £6 quid mark) Good luck. Mike. |
"Tom" wrote in message ... In an existing small bathroom which I need to refurbish, snipped Thanks for the responses, will try the swan neck/ flex coupling route, I didn't know such things existed. Much obliged Tom |
"Tom" wrote in message ... "Tom" wrote in message ... In an existing small bathroom which I need to refurbish, snipped Thanks for the responses, will try the swan neck/ flex coupling route, I didn't know such things existed. Much obliged Tom The swan neck can be a godsend but I've recently fitted 2 fancy modern toilets ( the kind with a skirt all the way round the bottom) and they couldn't take one because there was some ceramic in the way of the vertical bit of the swan. The standard 90 degree was ok ... but as you say this makes the pan too far away from the wall... So try before you buy. |
"BillV" wrote in message ... "Tom" wrote in message ... "Tom" wrote in message ... In an existing small bathroom which I need to refurbish, snipped Thanks for the responses, will try the swan neck/ flex coupling route, I didn't know such things existed. Much obliged Tom The swan neck can be a godsend but I've recently fitted 2 fancy modern toilets ( the kind with a skirt all the way round the bottom) and they couldn't take one because there was some ceramic in the way of the vertical bit of the swan. The standard 90 degree was ok ... but as you say this makes the pan too far away from the wall... So try before you buy. With me having the same problem as Tom (op) toilet outlet 24 cm away from the wall and reading the replies regarding a swan neck fitting Well........ I went round b&q with a swan neck fitting and tape measure..... well yes it does make it closer to the wall (cistern) but not close enough I,m afraid. Steve --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 19/08/2004 |
"Justin Time" wrote in message ... "BillV" wrote in message ... "Tom" wrote in message ... "Tom" wrote in message ... In an existing small bathroom which I need to refurbish, snipped Thanks for the responses, will try the swan neck/ flex coupling route, I didn't know such things existed. Much obliged Tom The swan neck can be a godsend but I've recently fitted 2 fancy modern toilets ( the kind with a skirt all the way round the bottom) and they couldn't take one because there was some ceramic in the way of the vertical bit of the swan. The standard 90 degree was ok ... but as you say this makes the pan too far away from the wall... So try before you buy. With me having the same problem as Tom (op) toilet outlet 24 cm away from the wall and reading the replies regarding a swan neck fitting Well........ I went round b&q with a swan neck fitting and tape measure..... well yes it does make it closer to the wall (cistern) but not close enough I,m afraid. Steve You can try tilting the swan neck a little, I've found they will still make a good seal even 20 degrees from the vertical - but of course this will depend on your pan and soil pipe. Adrian |
"Mark" wrote in message ... Justin Time typed: snip With me having the same problem as Tom (op) toilet outlet 24 cm away from the wall and reading the replies regarding a swan neck fitting Well........ I went round b&q with a swan neck fitting and tape measure..... well yes it does make it closer to the wall (cistern) but not close enough I,m afraid. Steve I cannot believe that you cant make one of these fit. http://www.gofixit.co.uk/en-gb/dept_1929.html Swan Neck Pan Conncector 1123/SN -- mark Nope.......... With the centre of the hole in the concrete being 24cm away from the wall works out using a swanneck that the outlet on the loo needs to be 25cm up to approx 28cm away from the wall. I have checked with numerous new loos in the stores and they are all way off. Steve --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 19/08/2004 |
Justin Time typed
snip With me having the same problem as Tom (op) toilet outlet 24 cm away from the wall and reading the replies regarding a swan neck fitting Well........ I went round b&q with a swan neck fitting and tape measure..... well yes it does make it closer to the wall (cistern) but not close enough I,m afraid. Steve I cannot believe that you cant make one of these fit. http://www.gofixit.co.uk/en-gb/dept_1929.html Swan Neck Pan Conncector 1123/SN -- mark Nope.......... With the centre of the hole in the concrete being 24cm away from the wall works out using a swanneck that the outlet on the loo needs to be 25cm up to approx 28cm away from the wall. I have checked with numerous new loos in the stores and they are all way off. Steve Then fit one of these first Offset Kwikfit 1124/OS OR build a nice hidden cistern loo, you can get ones with remote pneumatic flush buttons. But not from the likes of B&Q . -- mark |
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"Mark" wrote in message ... Justin Time typed: snip With me having the same problem as Tom (op) toilet outlet 24 cm away from the wall and reading the replies regarding a swan neck fitting Well........ I went round b&q with a swan neck fitting and tape measure..... well yes it does make it closer to the wall (cistern) but not close enough I,m afraid. Steve I cannot believe that you cant make one of these fit. http://www.gofixit.co.uk/en-gb/dept_1929.html Swan Neck Pan Conncector 1123/SN -- mark Nope.......... With the centre of the hole in the concrete being 24cm away from the wall works out using a swanneck that the outlet on the loo needs to be 25cm up to approx 28cm away from the wall. I have checked with numerous new loos in the stores and they are all way off. 1cm? I'd be very tempted to pick up my trusty SDS drill. |
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