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I know this has been asked many times before, but just wondering... House did have a spur from ring to shed a while back. This was laid under path etc as standard 2.5mm in various conduits (mostly old hosepipe). This was surely the way to do it in the 60's. Anyway, that failed at various places and with some burn marks too. It has now been disconnected by an electrician when he was re-wiring the kitchen. The shed did have it's own set of fuses, but ALL of the electrics have now been removed due to cracking, age, etc. So, is it acceptable to run normal cable in a more suitable conduit as a fused spur off the main house ring along the top of a fence some 20m to the shed? The wire run would exit the house about a foot from the ground, go up the wall about 2m then across about 1m to the fence. Along the fence and enter the shed. Only to be used for lighting and normal power tools. Ta. |
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On 06/07/2020 08:28, Grumps wrote:
Hi I know this has been asked many times before, but just wondering... House did have a spur from ring to shed a while back. This was laid under path etc as standard 2.5mm in various conduits (mostly old hosepipe). This was surely the way to do it in the 60's. Anyway, that failed at various places and with some burn marks too. It has now been disconnected by an electrician when he was re-wiring the kitchen. The shed did have it's own set of fuses, but ALL of the electrics have now been removed due to cracking, age, etc. So, is it acceptable to run normal cable in a more suitable conduit as a fused spur off the main house ring along the top of a fence some 20m to the shed? The wire run would exit the house about a foot from the ground, go up the wall about 2m then across about 1m to the fence. Along the fence and enter the shed. Only to be used for lighting and normal power tools. Ta. I wouldn't. I'd run armoured cable in the original conduit if I could. Even if no more than to have a house I wasn't ashamed to sell on, one day -- "I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently. This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and all women" |
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On 06/07/2020 08:28, Grumps wrote:
Hi I know this has been asked many times before, but just wondering... House did have a spur from ring to shed a while back. This was laid under path etc as standard 2.5mm in various conduits (mostly old hosepipe). This was surely the way to do it in the 60's. Totally agree it was the way they did it. My parents 1968 built house had a detached garage with 2.5mm T&E (with a 1mm cpc) in hosepipe under the lawn. Anyway, that failed at various places and with some burn marks too. It has now been disconnected by an electrician when he was re-wiring the kitchen. The shed did have it's own set of fuses, but ALL of the electrics have now been removed due to cracking, age, etc. So, is it acceptable to run normal cable in a more suitable conduit as a fused spur off the main house ring along the top of a fence some 20m to the shed? The wire run would exit the house about a foot from the ground, go up the wall about 2m then across about 1m to the fence. Along the fence and enter the shed. Only to be used for lighting and normal power tools. Ta. T&E or singles in conduit is fine however I would just use SWA. -- Adam |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I'd run armoured cable in the original conduit if I could. I suspect you'd struggle to get more than a few feet of SWA inside a hosepipe ... |
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On Monday, 6 July 2020 08:28:30 UTC+1, Grumps wrote:
So, is it acceptable to run normal cable in a more suitable conduit as a fused spur off the main house ring along the top of a fence some 20m to the shed? Not along a fence, which isn't considered a permanent structure. Along a wall is okay. If you don't want to go underground, overhead cable on a catenary wire is ok. Owain |
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On 06/07/2020 08:28, Grumps wrote:
Hi I know this has been asked many times before, but just wondering... House did have a spur from ring to shed a while back. This was laid under path etc as standard 2.5mm in various conduits (mostly old hosepipe). This was surely the way to do it in the 60's. Indeed... Anyway, that failed at various places and with some burn marks too. It has now been disconnected by an electrician when he was re-wiring the kitchen. The shed did have it's own set of fuses, but ALL of the electrics have now been removed due to cracking, age, etc. So, is it acceptable to run normal cable in a more suitable conduit as a fused spur off the main house ring along the top of a fence some 20m to the shed? Cable in proper conduit is ok, although I would be less keen on "top of the fence" bit. Having said that, SWA is much simpler - since it in effect has its own conduit, and so less aggro. The wire run would exit the house about a foot from the ground, go up the wall about 2m then across about 1m to the fence. Along the fence and enter the shed. Only to be used for lighting and normal power tools. I would probably clip it to the base of the fence, or for that matter lay it on the ground if its not going to be in the way of anything. Ideally bury it, but that may be impractical. Might be worth looking at: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...ricity_outside -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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ARW wrote:
On 06/07/2020 10:08, wrote: On Monday, 6 July 2020 08:28:30 UTC+1, Grumps wrote: So, is it acceptable to run normal cable in a more suitable conduit as a fused spur off the main house ring along the top of a fence some 20m to the shed? Not along a fence, which isn't considered a permanent structure. Along a wall is okay. If you don't want to go underground, overhead cable on a catenary wire is ok. That's an engineering decision. Some fences are better than others. I have SWA routed along a solid (horse proof) post and rail fence. It's lasted 20 years already and survived one bit of fence collapse (the SWA helped it stay sort of in place while I replaced a couple of posts). -- Chris Green · |
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On 06/07/2020 11:18, Chris Green wrote:
ARW wrote: On 06/07/2020 10:08, wrote: On Monday, 6 July 2020 08:28:30 UTC+1, Grumps wrote: So, is it acceptable to run normal cable in a more suitable conduit as a fused spur off the main house ring along the top of a fence some 20m to the shed? Not along a fence, which isn't considered a permanent structure. Along a wall is okay. If you don't want to go underground, overhead cable on a catenary wire is ok. That's an engineering decision. Some fences are better than others. I have SWA routed along a solid (horse proof) post and rail fence. It's lasted 20 years already and survived one bit of fence collapse (the SWA helped it stay sort of in place while I replaced a couple of posts). Horses quite like nibbling away at horizontal fence rails and tops of stable doors though :-( |
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Is there room in your consumer unit to fit it to a new RCBO?
So if/when it trips it wont take out other things, and easier to isolate it [g] On Monday, July 6, 2020 at 8:28:30 AM UTC+1, Grumps wrote: Hi I know this has been asked many times before, but just wondering... House did have a spur from ring to shed a while back. This was laid under path etc as standard 2.5mm in various conduits (mostly old hosepipe). This was surely the way to do it in the 60's. Anyway, that failed at various places and with some burn marks too. It has now been disconnected by an electrician when he was re-wiring the kitchen. The shed did have it's own set of fuses, but ALL of the electrics have now been removed due to cracking, age, etc. So, is it acceptable to run normal cable in a more suitable conduit as a fused spur off the main house ring along the top of a fence some 20m to the shed? The wire run would exit the house about a foot from the ground, go up the wall about 2m then across about 1m to the fence. Along the fence and enter the shed. Only to be used for lighting and normal power tools. Ta. |
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On Monday, July 6, 2020 at 11:48:22 AM UTC+1, Andrew wrote:
On 06/07/2020 11:18, Chris Green wrote: ARW wrote: On 06/07/2020 10:08, wrote: On Monday, 6 July 2020 08:28:30 UTC+1, Grumps wrote: So, is it acceptable to run normal cable in a more suitable conduit as a fused spur off the main house ring along the top of a fence some 20m to the shed? Not along a fence, which isn't considered a permanent structure. Along a wall is okay. If you don't want to go underground, overhead cable on a catenary wire is ok. That's an engineering decision. Some fences are better than others. I have SWA routed along a solid (horse proof) post and rail fence. It's lasted 20 years already and survived one bit of fence collapse (the SWA helped it stay sort of in place while I replaced a couple of posts). Horses quite like nibbling away at horizontal fence rails and tops of stable doors though :-( My trouble is squirrels. We have a pressure pump for garden watering in its own little house attached to garage. A squirrel keeps his stash in there and for all I know hibernates in it also. When he wants a cheap thrill or all his nuts are gone he starts on the wiring for the pump. He's aggressive too. In the adjacent ditch there is hazel growing and if he sees you near it in the autumn when it is covered in nuts he runs down and hisses at you |
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On 06/07/2020 11:48, Andrew wrote:
On 06/07/2020 11:18, Chris Green wrote: ARW wrote: On 06/07/2020 10:08, wrote: On Monday, 6 July 2020 08:28:30 UTC+1, GrumpsÂ* wrote: So, is it acceptable to run normal cable in a more suitable conduit as a fused spur off the main house ring along the top of a fence some 20m to the shed? Not along a fence, which isn't considered a permanent structure. Along a wall is okay. If you don't want to go underground, overhead cable on a catenary wire is ok. That's an engineering decision. Some fences are better than others. I have SWA routed along a solid (horse proof) post and rail fence. It's lasted 20 years already and survived one bit of fence collapse (the SWA helped it stay sort of in place while I replaced a couple of posts). Horses quite like nibbling away at horizontal fence rails and tops of stable doors though :-( They'll get quite a surprise when they nibble through the SWA. :) |
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On 06/07/2020 09:22, Andy Burns wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote: I'd run armoured cable in the original conduit if I could. I suspect you'd struggle to get more than a few feet of SWA inside a hosepipe ... Depends on the diameter. 16A stuff no probs. 60A stuff, you are right. BUT the OP doesn't need to get it in more than a few feet - only where it goes under concrete paths etc. -- €œThe fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell |
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On 06/07/2020 10:28, ARW wrote:
On 06/07/2020 10:08, wrote: On Monday, 6 July 2020 08:28:30 UTC+1, GrumpsÂ* wrote: So, is it acceptable to run normal cable in a more suitable conduit as a fused spur off the main house ring along the top of a fence some 20m to the shed? Not along a fence, which isn't considered a permanent structure. Along a wall is okay. If you don't want to go underground, overhead cable on a catenary wire is ok. That's an engineering decision. LOL! Some fences are better than others. Yeah, Adam, we all know you went over an loaded up most of the Berlin wall in your van and erected it between you and your neighbour. Did you get planning permission for the machine gun post? -- €œThe fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell |
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Bury the SWA with plastic marker tape above it, there is a legal minimum depth
400-700 mm ish count it as exercise http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...#Direct_burial |
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On 06/07/2020 12:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
That's an engineering decision. LOL! Some fences are better than others. Yeah, Adam, we all know you went over an loaded up most of the Berlin wall in your van and erected it between you and your neighbour. Did you get planning permission for the machine gun post? I can't see why you would insert such gratuitous nonsense into the discussion other than for your own perverted gratification. There are structures described as fences that form part of the infrastructure of prisons and other establishments that are very definitely permanent structures. Serious concrete, large size I sections and rails, mesh that would stop a truck, etc. BIll |
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Andrew wrote:
On 06/07/2020 11:18, Chris Green wrote: ARW wrote: On 06/07/2020 10:08, wrote: On Monday, 6 July 2020 08:28:30 UTC+1, Grumps wrote: So, is it acceptable to run normal cable in a more suitable conduit as a fused spur off the main house ring along the top of a fence some 20m to the shed? Not along a fence, which isn't considered a permanent structure. Along a wall is okay. If you don't want to go underground, overhead cable on a catenary wire is ok. That's an engineering decision. Some fences are better than others. I have SWA routed along a solid (horse proof) post and rail fence. It's lasted 20 years already and survived one bit of fence collapse (the SWA helped it stay sort of in place while I replaced a couple of posts). Horses quite like nibbling away at horizontal fence rails and tops of stable doors though :-( It has electric fence tape protecting it for that very reason. :-) Horses will use anything like that as a scratching post and 500kg of horse will soon loosen most fence posts, nibbling isn't in it! -- Chris Green · |
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George Miles wrote:
Is there room in your consumer unit to fit it to a new RCBO? So if/when it trips it wont take out other things, and easier to isolate it Yes, it's a very good idea if you can separate the outside circuits, they do have more reasons for tripping in my experience. Until I separated ours the garden would trip the garage circuit that powered the door that gave access to the outside consumer unit! (We did have alternative access but that involved finding the key to the side door and fighting through piles of junk) -- Chris Green · |
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On 06/07/2020 13:35, williamwright wrote:
There are structures described as fences that form part of the infrastructure of prisons and other establishments that are very definitely permanent structures. Serious concrete, large size I sections and rails, mesh that would stop a truck, etc. I know. I had to dig down under one at a secure unit last year to power their new lampposts. This was just a mesh fence. Just to add the choice of shrubbery is almost certainly there to stop people from digging their way out. And that was at the ward I was given keys to and not the very secure unit round the corner that needs fingerprint access to open doors. -- Adam |
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On Monday, 6 July 2020 14:04:40 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
And that was at the ward I was given keys to and not the very secure unit round the corner that needs fingerprint access to open doors. *Live* fingerprints? Owain |
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Yes there is. This is all sounding like it needs notification. Might be
simpler to get a sparks in. Adding an FCU is allowed and non-notifiable (yes?). Adding a new circuit for a shed is notifiable. Does that include adding cable to the other side of the FCU? On 06/07/2020 12:12, George Miles wrote: Is there room in your consumer unit to fit it to a new RCBO? So if/when it trips it wont take out other things, and easier to isolate it [g] On Monday, July 6, 2020 at 8:28:30 AM UTC+1, Grumps wrote: Hi I know this has been asked many times before, but just wondering... House did have a spur from ring to shed a while back. This was laid under path etc as standard 2.5mm in various conduits (mostly old hosepipe). This was surely the way to do it in the 60's. Anyway, that failed at various places and with some burn marks too. It has now been disconnected by an electrician when he was re-wiring the kitchen. The shed did have it's own set of fuses, but ALL of the electrics have now been removed due to cracking, age, etc. So, is it acceptable to run normal cable in a more suitable conduit as a fused spur off the main house ring along the top of a fence some 20m to the shed? The wire run would exit the house about a foot from the ground, go up the wall about 2m then across about 1m to the fence. Along the fence and enter the shed. Only to be used for lighting and normal power tools. Ta. |
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On 06/07/2020 14:25, wrote:
On Monday, 6 July 2020 14:04:40 UTC+1, ARW wrote: And that was at the ward I was given keys to and not the very secure unit round the corner that needs fingerprint access to open doors. *Live* fingerprints? Blakes 7 series one episode 2 24 min 30 seconds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpqQPKjs27o AICMFP -- Adam |
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On 06/07/2020 12:51, GB wrote:
On 06/07/2020 11:48, Andrew wrote: On 06/07/2020 11:18, Chris Green wrote: ARW wrote: On 06/07/2020 10:08, wrote: On Monday, 6 July 2020 08:28:30 UTC+1, GrumpsÂ* wrote: So, is it acceptable to run normal cable in a more suitable conduit as a fused spur off the main house ring along the top of a fence some 20m to the shed? Not along a fence, which isn't considered a permanent structure. Along a wall is okay. If you don't want to go underground, overhead cable on a catenary wire is ok. That's an engineering decision. Some fences are better than others. I have SWA routed along a solid (horse proof) post and rail fence. It's lasted 20 years already and survived one bit of fence collapse (the SWA helped it stay sort of in place while I replaced a couple of posts). Horses quite like nibbling away at horizontal fence rails and tops of stable doors though :-( They'll get quite a surprise when they nibble through the SWA. :) that'll teach them not to indulge in horseplay! |
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On 06/07/2020 16:01, No Name wrote:
On 06/07/2020 12:51, GB wrote: On 06/07/2020 11:48, Andrew wrote: On 06/07/2020 11:18, Chris Green wrote: ARW wrote: On 06/07/2020 10:08, wrote: On Monday, 6 July 2020 08:28:30 UTC+1, GrumpsÂ* wrote: So, is it acceptable to run normal cable in a more suitable conduit as a fused spur off the main house ring along the top of a fence some 20m to the shed? Not along a fence, which isn't considered a permanent structure. Along a wall is okay. If you don't want to go underground, overhead cable on a catenary wire is ok. That's an engineering decision. Some fences are better than others. I have SWA routed along a solid (horse proof) post and rail fence. It's lasted 20 years already and survived one bit of fence collapse (the SWA helped it stay sort of in place while I replaced a couple of posts). Horses quite like nibbling away at horizontal fence rails and tops of stable doors though :-( They'll get quite a surprise when they nibble through the SWA. :) that'll teach them not to indulge in horseplay! Horses are vicious violent *******s - no idea why Penelope wants one for her 15th birthday other than it has teeth that look like her mothers dentures that were used to replace the teeth the horse kicked out of her mouth. -- Adam |
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On 06/07/2020 15:43, Grumps wrote:
Yes there is. This is all sounding like it needs notification. Might be simpler to get a sparks in. Outside electrics are no longer classed as notifiable. However installing a whole new circuit is. So something similar to previous (i.e. spur[1] from existing circuit) would not need notification. [1] Make it a double pole switched spur, and you then have a means of isolating the outside stuff if a fault causes tripping on the house circuit. Adding an FCU is allowed and non-notifiable (yes?). Yes Adding a new circuit for a shed is notifiable. A new circuit back to the main CU would be notifiable. Does that include adding cable to the other side of the FCU? No, that's extending an existing circuit. Since your house circuit likely already has 30mA trip RCD protection, then that is fine for the shed also. However if you are likely to be in there using power tools after dark, then it might be sensible to include a "non maintained" emergency light in the shed, just in case you trip something while still holding a "spinning down" machine. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 06/07/2020 12:56, George Miles wrote:
Bury the SWA with plastic marker tape above it, there is a legal minimum depth I am not aware of any legal minimum specified depth, however 522.8.10 in BS7671:2018 simply says "Buried cables, conduits and ducts, shall be at a sufficient depth to avoid being damaged by any reasonable forceable disturbance of the ground". So under a concrete path can be shallower than say under vegetable plot. 400-700 mm ish count it as exercise http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...#Direct_burial -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 06/07/2020 16:00, ARW wrote:
On 06/07/2020 14:25, wrote: On Monday, 6 July 2020 14:04:40 UTC+1, ARWÂ* wrote: And that was at the ward I was given keys to and not the very secure unit round the corner that needs fingerprint access to open doors. *Live* fingerprints? Blakes 7 series one episode 2 24 min 30 seconds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpqQPKjs27o AICMFP "We only need the hand": I still remember that as one of the most chilling lines ever in tv or film! |
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On 06/07/2020 18:05, newshound wrote:
On 06/07/2020 16:00, ARW wrote: On 06/07/2020 14:25, wrote: On Monday, 6 July 2020 14:04:40 UTC+1, ARWÂ* wrote: And that was at the ward I was given keys to and not the very secure unit round the corner that needs fingerprint access to open doors. *Live* fingerprints? Blakes 7 series one episode 2 24 min 30 seconds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpqQPKjs27o AICMFP "We only need the hand": I still remember that as one of the most chilling lines ever in tv or film! It's funny, I don't remember them all being so young! Andy |
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On Mon, 06 Jul 2020 22:05:57 +0100, Vir Campestris wrote:
"We only need the hand": I still remember that as one of the most chilling lines ever in tv or film! If it weren't such a bad book, I'd tell you to go and lok at "Digital Fortress". With the retinal scan lock.. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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"ARW" wrote in message ... On 06/07/2020 16:01, No Name wrote: On 06/07/2020 12:51, GB wrote: On 06/07/2020 11:48, Andrew wrote: On 06/07/2020 11:18, Chris Green wrote: ARW wrote: On 06/07/2020 10:08, wrote: On Monday, 6 July 2020 08:28:30 UTC+1, Grumps wrote: So, is it acceptable to run normal cable in a more suitable conduit as a fused spur off the main house ring along the top of a fence some 20m to the shed? Not along a fence, which isn't considered a permanent structure. Along a wall is okay. If you don't want to go underground, overhead cable on a catenary wire is ok. That's an engineering decision. Some fences are better than others. I have SWA routed along a solid (horse proof) post and rail fence. It's lasted 20 years already and survived one bit of fence collapse (the SWA helped it stay sort of in place while I replaced a couple of posts). Horses quite like nibbling away at horizontal fence rails and tops of stable doors though :-( They'll get quite a surprise when they nibble through the SWA. :) that'll teach them not to indulge in horseplay! Horses are vicious violent *******s Thats because that and their speed is all they have against predators. no idea why Penelope wants one for her 15th birthday Its certainly something that appeals to young girls for some reason. other than it has teeth that look like her mothers dentures that were used to replace the teeth the horse kicked out of her mouth. |
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Whatever he does, I'd use armoured cable. I still have mine connected
waiting for a new shed, but looking at it its completely unscathed and that would not be the case with anything else out there for that long even if it were in some conduit. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... On 06/07/2020 08:28, Grumps wrote: Hi I know this has been asked many times before, but just wondering... House did have a spur from ring to shed a while back. This was laid under path etc as standard 2.5mm in various conduits (mostly old hosepipe). This was surely the way to do it in the 60's. Anyway, that failed at various places and with some burn marks too. It has now been disconnected by an electrician when he was re-wiring the kitchen. The shed did have it's own set of fuses, but ALL of the electrics have now been removed due to cracking, age, etc. So, is it acceptable to run normal cable in a more suitable conduit as a fused spur off the main house ring along the top of a fence some 20m to the shed? The wire run would exit the house about a foot from the ground, go up the wall about 2m then across about 1m to the fence. Along the fence and enter the shed. Only to be used for lighting and normal power tools. Ta. I wouldn't. I'd run armoured cable in the original conduit if I could. Even if no more than to have a house I wasn't ashamed to sell on, one day -- "I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently. This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and all women" |
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