I recall seeing a YouTube video supposedly by a professional electrician where he ran SWA to an outbuilding and rather than bury it he ran it on the surface beneath shrubs where no body would be doing any digging. I have noticed a similar situation in our local Sainsburys car park with the cable going to some lamp standards apparently. Firstly is this acceptable in the current regs?

If so can I do something similar? I wish to add a light to a small shed taking the power from a nearby exterior socket. Between the socket and the shed the area is all paved but running along the edge of the paving is a shallow €œfrench drain€�, can I bury the cable in the pebbles 50 - 100mm below the surface?

Richard

On 22/06/2020 12:15, Tricky Dicky wrote:
I recall seeing a YouTube video supposedly by a professional electrician where he ran SWA to an outbuilding and rather than bury it he ran it on the surface beneath shrubs where no body would be doing any digging. I have noticed a similar situation in our local Sainsburys car park with the cable going to some lamp standards apparently. Firstly is this acceptable in the current regs?

If so can I do something similar? I wish to add a light to a small shed taking the power from a nearby exterior socket. Between the socket and the shed the area is all paved but running along the edge of the paving is a shallow €œfrench drain€�, can I bury the cable in the pebbles 50 - 100mm below the surface?

Richard


It's your property and if it is plugged into a 3-pin socket then it
isn't 'fixed wiring' surely. As long as the socket has an RCD and
you are only using it for lighting and occasional lightweight powertool
usage, and you are happy with the earthing, what's the problem ?.

There is some sort of tough cable that is not SWA but intended for
outside use (or was when my neighbour rigged up a pond pump many years
ago).

On 22/06/2020 12:28, Andrew wrote:
On 22/06/2020 12:15, Tricky Dicky wrote:
I recall seeing a YouTube video supposedly by a professional
electrician where he ran SWA to an outbuilding and rather than bury it
he ran it on the surface beneath shrubs where no body would be doing
any digging. I have noticed a similar situation in our local
Sainsburys car park with the cable going to some lamp standards
apparently. Firstly is this acceptable in the current regs?

If so can I do something similar? I wish to add a light to a small
shed taking the power from a nearby exterior socket. Between the
socket and the shed the area is all paved but running along the edge
of the paving is a shallow €œfrench drain€�, can I bury the cable in the
pebbles 50 - 100mm below the surface?

Richard


It's your property and if it is plugged into a 3-pin socket then it
isn't 'fixed wiring' surely. As long as the socket has an RCD and
you are only using it for lighting and occasional lightweight powertool
usage, and you are happy with the earthing, what's the problem ?.

There is some sort of tough cable that is not SWA but intended for
outside use (or was when my neighbour rigged up a pond pump many years
ago).

I've used this, it's not really suitable for going to a 13A plug (very
stiff) although you might get away with using it on a round pin
industrial plug/socket.

Mine actually runs from a switched fused spur on a 30A RCD ring main
just inside the house. Someone will be along in a minute to talk about
earthing.

In article ,
Tricky Dicky wrote:
I recall seeing a YouTube video supposedly by a professional electrician
where he ran SWA to an outbuilding and rather than bury it he ran it on
the surface beneath shrubs where no body would be doing any digging. I
have noticed a similar situation in our local Sainsbury‘s car park with
the cable going to some lamp standards apparently. Firstly is this
acceptable in the current regs?

If so can I do something similar? I wish to add a light to a small shed
taking the power from a nearby exterior socket. Between the socket and
the shed the area is all paved but running along the edge of the paving
is a shallow ”french drain•, can I bury the cable in the pebbles 50 -
100mm below the surface?

Richard


IMHO, SWA is perfectly suitable for surface mounting. But for small
current stuff there are cables designed for this exterior job which are
simpler to work with.

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On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 12:28:13 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 22/06/2020 12:15, Tricky Dicky wrote:
I recall seeing a YouTube video supposedly by a professional electrician where he ran SWA to an outbuilding and rather than bury it he ran it on the surface beneath shrubs where no body would be doing any digging. I have noticed a similar situation in our local Sainsbury’s car park with the cable going to some lamp standards apparently. Firstly is this acceptable in the current regs?

If so can I do something similar? I wish to add a light to a small shed taking the power from a nearby exterior socket. Between the socket and the shed the area is all paved but running along the edge of the paving is a shallow “french drain”, can I bury the cable in the pebbles 50 - 100mm below the surface?

Richard


It's your property and if it is plugged into a 3-pin socket then it
isn't 'fixed wiring' surely.

Where did he say that was how he was going to use it, rather than
'taking the power from' via some hard wiring etc?

Would you 'plug in' the end of SWA with a std 13A plug top?

I'm not suggesting you couldn't do any of those things (terminate the
SWA in a suitable exterior box and take some flex from there though a
waterproof gland to the socket via a plug top etc).

snip

Cheers, T i m

I was thinking of hard wiring into the existing exterior socket and running inside the shed to a garage CU. I only really need it just to illuminate the shed but will include a socket for occasional garden lighting ie Chrimbo.

Richard

In article ,
newshound wrote:
On 22/06/2020 12:28, Andrew wrote:
On 22/06/2020 12:15, Tricky Dicky wrote:
I recall seeing a YouTube video supposedly by a professional
electrician where he ran SWA to an outbuilding and rather than bury it
he ran it on the surface beneath shrubs where no body would be doing
any digging. I have noticed a similar situation in our local
Sainsbury‘s car park with the cable going to some lamp standards
apparently. Firstly is this acceptable in the current regs?

If so can I do something similar? I wish to add a light to a small
shed taking the power from a nearby exterior socket. Between the
socket and the shed the area is all paved but running along the edge
of the paving is a shallow ”french drain•, can I bury the cable in the
pebbles 50 - 100mm below the surface?

Richard


It's your property and if it is plugged into a 3-pin socket then it
isn't 'fixed wiring' surely. As long as the socket has an RCD and
you are only using it for lighting and occasional lightweight powertool
usage, and you are happy with the earthing, what's the problem ?.

There is some sort of tough cable that is not SWA but intended for
outside use (or was when my neighbour rigged up a pond pump many years
ago).

I've used this, it's not really suitable for going to a 13A plug (very
stiff) although you might get away with using it on a round pin
industrial plug/socket.

You bring the stiff cable into connection box and run a flexible lead with
a plug on it out of the box. That's how my pump is fed.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

Tricky Dicky Wrote in message:
I was thinking of hard wiring into the existing exterior socket and running inside the shed to a garage CU. I only really need it just to illuminate the shed but will include a socket for occasional garden lighting ie Chrimbo.

Richard


Dont get d i m started on that too...
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On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 06:37:43 -0700 (PDT), Tricky Dicky
wrote:

I was thinking of hard wiring into the existing exterior socket and running inside the shed to a garage CU.

Ok (I gleaned most of that from your op). ;-)

I only really need it just to illuminate the shed but will include a socket for occasional garden lighting ie Chrimbo.

Awhile ago I ran a h/d mains lead out of the garage, down the garden /
path and up to by the back outside door, plugging it into a socket in
the lobby, as / when required. I've regularly run the lathe, workshop
lights, welders, power tools and heaters from said lead (not all at
the same time g) and with no issues so far.

Mind you, that was only 35+ years ago now. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

In article ,
T i m wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 06:37:43 -0700 (PDT), Tricky Dicky
wrote:

I was thinking of hard wiring into the existing exterior socket and running inside the shed to a garage CU.

Ok (I gleaned most of that from your op). ;-)

I only really need it just to illuminate the shed but will include a socket for occasional garden lighting ie Chrimbo.

Awhile ago I ran a h/d mains lead out of the garage, down the garden /
path and up to by the back outside door, plugging it into a socket in
the lobby, as / when required. I've regularly run the lathe, workshop
lights, welders, power tools and heaters from said lead (not all at
the same time g) and with no issues so far.

Mind you, that was only 35+ years ago now. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Ah, as recently as that? My cable to the shed must be over 40 years old. We
moved here in '77 and I think the shed went up the following year.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 22/06/2020 12:28, Andrew wrote:
On 22/06/2020 12:15, Tricky Dicky wrote:
I recall seeing a YouTube video supposedly by a professional
electrician where he ran SWA to an outbuilding and rather than bury it
he ran it on the surface beneath shrubs where no body would be doing
any digging. I have noticed a similar situation in our local
Sainsburys car park with the cable going to some lamp standards
apparently. Firstly is this acceptable in the current regs?

If so can I do something similar? I wish to add a light to a small
shed taking the power from a nearby exterior socket. Between the
socket and the shed the area is all paved but running along the edge
of the paving is a shallow €œfrench drain€�, can I bury the cable in the
pebbles 50 - 100mm below the surface?

Richard


It's your property and if it is plugged into a 3-pin socket then it
isn't 'fixed wiring' surely. As long as the socket has an RCD and
you are only using it for lighting and occasional lightweight powertool
usage, and you are happy with the earthing, what's the problem ?.

There is some sort of tough cable that is not SWA but intended for
outside use (or was when my neighbour rigged up a pond pump many years
ago).

You are probably thinking about Hi-Tuf a trade name for NYY-J cable.

It's fine for surface mounting but not suitable for direct burial. Now
is buried under a few pebbles direct burial?

--
Adam

On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 17:40:25 +0100, charles
wrote:

In article ,
T i m wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 06:37:43 -0700 (PDT), Tricky Dicky
wrote:

I was thinking of hard wiring into the existing exterior socket and running inside the shed to a garage CU.

Ok (I gleaned most of that from your op). ;-)

I only really need it just to illuminate the shed but will include a socket for occasional garden lighting ie Chrimbo.

Awhile ago I ran a h/d mains lead out of the garage, down the garden /
path and up to by the back outside door, plugging it into a socket in
the lobby, as / when required. I've regularly run the lathe, workshop
lights, welders, power tools and heaters from said lead (not all at
the same time g) and with no issues so far.

Mind you, that was only 35+ years ago now. ;-)


Ah, as recently as that? My cable to the shed must be over 40 years old. We
moved here in '77 and I think the shed went up the following year.

But it won't last. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

In article , T i m
wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 17:40:25 +0100, charles
wrote:

In article , T i m
wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 06:37:43 -0700 (PDT), Tricky Dicky
wrote:

I was thinking of hard wiring into the existing exterior socket and
running inside the shed to a garage CU.

Ok (I gleaned most of that from your op). ;-)

I only really need it just to illuminate the shed but will include a
socket for occasional garden lighting ie Chrimbo.

Awhile ago I ran a h/d mains lead out of the garage, down the garden /
path and up to by the back outside door, plugging it into a socket in
the lobby, as / when required. I've regularly run the lathe, workshop
lights, welders, power tools and heaters from said lead (not all at
the same time g) and with no issues so far.

Mind you, that was only 35+ years ago now. ;-)


Ah, as recently as that? My cable to the shed must be over 40 years old.
We moved here in '77 and I think the shed went up the following year.

But it won't last. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

but, with any luck, we'll have sold the garden as a building plot before
then.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 22/06/2020 12:15, Tricky Dicky wrote:

I recall seeing a YouTube video supposedly by a professional
electrician where he ran SWA to an outbuilding and rather than bury
it he ran it on the surface beneath shrubs where no body would be
doing any digging. I have noticed a similar situation in our local
Sainsburys car park with the cable going to some lamp standards
apparently. Firstly is this acceptable in the current regs?

So long as its not going to get damaged, then that could be ok.

RCD protection required for the socket at the far end. Depending on the
house earthing system, you may want to make the far end TT and not use
the exported earth other than for the protection of the SWA en route.

If so can I do something similar? I wish to add a light to a small
shed taking the power from a nearby exterior socket. Between the
socket and the shed the area is all paved but running along the edge
of the paving is a shallow €œfrench drain€�, can I bury the cable in
the pebbles 50 - 100mm below the surface?

There are no hard and fast rules on buried cables - just use a depth
that is appropriate to prevent it being damaged if dug. So under a
vegetable plot it might need to be a couple of feet down, under a lawn
only a foot, and I can't see anyone wanting to dig the path!

Failing that clip it to something.



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John.

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On 22/06/2020 12:28, Andrew wrote:
On 22/06/2020 12:15, Tricky Dicky wrote:
I recall seeing a YouTube video supposedly by a professional
electrician where he ran SWA to an outbuilding and rather than bury it
he ran it on the surface beneath shrubs where no body would be doing
any digging. I have noticed a similar situation in our local
Sainsburys car park with the cable going to some lamp standards
apparently. Firstly is this acceptable in the current regs?

If so can I do something similar? I wish to add a light to a small
shed taking the power from a nearby exterior socket. Between the
socket and the shed the area is all paved but running along the edge
of the paving is a shallow €œfrench drain€�, can I bury the cable in the
pebbles 50 - 100mm below the surface?

Richard


It's your property and if it is plugged into a 3-pin socket then it
isn't 'fixed wiring' surely.

If its permanently installed, its fixed wiring - whether it connects via
a plug or not has no bearing.

Note that wiring outside is no longer notifiable under part P (although
installing a whole new circuit still is)


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Cheers,

John.

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On 22/06/2020 19:54, John Rumm wrote:
On 22/06/2020 12:28, Andrew wrote:
On 22/06/2020 12:15, Tricky Dicky wrote:
I recall seeing a YouTube video supposedly by a professional
electrician where he ran SWA to an outbuilding and rather than bury
it he ran it on the surface beneath shrubs where no body would be
doing any digging. I have noticed a similar situation in our local
Sainsburys car park with the cable going to some lamp standards
apparently. Firstly is this acceptable in the current regs?

If so can I do something similar? I wish to add a light to a small
shed taking the power from a nearby exterior socket. Between the
socket and the shed the area is all paved but running along the edge
of the paving is a shallow €œfrench drain€�, can I bury the cable in
the pebbles 50 - 100mm below the surface?

Richard


It's your property and if it is plugged into a 3-pin socket then it
isn't 'fixed wiring' surely.

If its permanently installed, its fixed wiring - whether it connects via
a plug or not has no bearing.

Note that wiring outside is no longer notifiable under part P

Part P in England.....

The Jocks and Taffy's have their own rules.

The Paddies have never had any rules that they obeyed by.

--
Adam

On 22/06/2020 20:02, ARW wrote:
On 22/06/2020 19:54, John Rumm wrote:
On 22/06/2020 12:28, Andrew wrote:
On 22/06/2020 12:15, Tricky Dicky wrote:
I recall seeing a YouTube video supposedly by a professional
electrician where he ran SWA to an outbuilding and rather than bury
it he ran it on the surface beneath shrubs where no body would be
doing any digging. I have noticed a similar situation in our local
Sainsburys car park with the cable going to some lamp standards
apparently. Firstly is this acceptable in the current regs?

If so can I do something similar? I wish to add a light to a small
shed taking the power from a nearby exterior socket. Between the
socket and the shed the area is all paved but running along the edge
of the paving is a shallow €œfrench drain€�, can I bury the cable in
the pebbles 50 - 100mm below the surface?

Richard


It's your property and if it is plugged into a 3-pin socket then it
isn't 'fixed wiring' surely.

If its permanently installed, its fixed wiring - whether it connects
via a plug or not has no bearing.

Note that wiring outside is no longer notifiable under part P

Part P in England.....

The Jocks and Taffy's have their own rules.

I thought the Taffys had to share the English rules ?.

Scotland has always been different

The Paddies have never had any rules that they obeyed by.

"T i m" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 06:37:43 -0700 (PDT), Tricky Dicky
wrote:

I was thinking of hard wiring into the existing exterior socket and
running inside the shed to a garage CU.

Ok (I gleaned most of that from your op). ;-)

I only really need it just to illuminate the shed but will include a
socket for occasional garden lighting ie Chrimbo.

Awhile ago I ran a h/d mains lead out of the garage, down the garden /
path and up to by the back outside door, plugging it into a socket in
the lobby, as / when required. I've regularly run the lathe, workshop
lights, welders, power tools and heaters from said lead (not all at
the same time g) and with no issues so far.

I ran the entire house off the builders temporary supply
using a standard long extension cord and a jesus adapter.
Mains pressure hot water service, big wall oven with grill etc.
Worked fine, you just had to be a bit careful about what was
on at the same time when cooking the evening meal.

This was with the extension cord from the house eaves
to the pole the builders temporary supply was on.

The knot at the eaves was a bit melted when I eventually
had to rake it down when the electricity supply operation
made me install the meter box and fuses box, what you
lot call the CU, in the house.

Mind you, that was only 35+ years ago now. ;-)

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FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

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On 22/06/2020 20:42, Andrew wrote:
On 22/06/2020 20:02, ARW wrote:
On 22/06/2020 19:54, John Rumm wrote:
On 22/06/2020 12:28, Andrew wrote:
On 22/06/2020 12:15, Tricky Dicky wrote:
I recall seeing a YouTube video supposedly by a professional
electrician where he ran SWA to an outbuilding and rather than bury
it he ran it on the surface beneath shrubs where no body would be
doing any digging. I have noticed a similar situation in our local
Sainsburys car park with the cable going to some lamp standards
apparently. Firstly is this acceptable in the current regs?

If so can I do something similar? I wish to add a light to a small
shed taking the power from a nearby exterior socket. Between the
socket and the shed the area is all paved but running along the
edge of the paving is a shallow €œfrench drain€�, can I bury the
cable in the pebbles 50 - 100mm below the surface?

Richard


It's your property and if it is plugged into a 3-pin socket then it
isn't 'fixed wiring' surely.

If its permanently installed, its fixed wiring - whether it connects
via a plug or not has no bearing.

Note that wiring outside is no longer notifiable under part P

Part P in England.....

The Jocks and Taffy's have their own rules.

I thought the Taffys had to share the English rules ?.

Scotland has always been different



No. We gave them a little bit of independence to try and stop them from
singing and they ****ed it up by destroyed the building industry in Wales.

You cannot even have an extension built in Wales without having a fire
sprinkler system installed throughout the whole house and Part P is
either the old English Part P or possibly even more stringent.









--
Adam

On 23/06/2020 18:57, ARW wrote:
On 22/06/2020 20:42, Andrew wrote:
On 22/06/2020 20:02, ARW wrote:
On 22/06/2020 19:54, John Rumm wrote:
On 22/06/2020 12:28, Andrew wrote:
On 22/06/2020 12:15, Tricky Dicky wrote:
I recall seeing a YouTube video supposedly by a professional
electrician where he ran SWA to an outbuilding and rather than
bury it he ran it on the surface beneath shrubs where no body
would be doing any digging. I have noticed a similar situation in
our local Sainsburys car park with the cable going to some lamp
standards apparently. Firstly is this acceptable in the current regs?

If so can I do something similar? I wish to add a light to a small
shed taking the power from a nearby exterior socket. Between the
socket and the shed the area is all paved but running along the
edge of the paving is a shallow €œfrench drain€�, can I bury the
cable in the pebbles 50 - 100mm below the surface?

Richard


It's your property and if it is plugged into a 3-pin socket then it
isn't 'fixed wiring' surely.

If its permanently installed, its fixed wiring - whether it connects
via a plug or not has no bearing.

Note that wiring outside is no longer notifiable under part P

Part P in England.....

The Jocks and Taffy's have their own rules.

I thought the Taffys had to share the English rules ?.

Scotland has always been different



No. We gave them a little bit of independence to try and stop them from
singing and they ****ed it up by destroyed the building industry in Wales.

You cannot even have an extension built in Wales without having a fire
sprinkler system installed throughout the whole house and Part P is
either the old English Part P or possibly even more stringent.

That'll give the Bristolian property 'developers' a shock after
the Severn Bridge tolls were scrapped and they all headed there
looking for bargains.