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quig February 2nd 20 10:42 PM

A/C unit tripping electrics when it rains
 
In 2005 I had a Millenniumair KFR-34GW Air Conditioning unit from
Global Cooling installed to cool an attic room, after reading
about the company on here. It plugs into a socket. Recently if
the unit was running the sockets in the house tripped about 15
minutes after it started to rain. I don't know where the water is
getting in but I've tried to cover (some of) the unit with a
plastic table, tape and bin bags, and after doing this it trips
after hours rather than minutes. Is there anything that can be
done, without replacing the whole system?

Photos:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a040d0_o_d.jpg
Now
https://live.staticflickr.com/97/213...140895_o_d.jpg.
In 2005


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[email protected] February 3rd 20 04:21 AM

A/C unit tripping electrics when it rains
 
On Sunday, 2 February 2020 22:30:07 UTC, quig wrote:

In 2005 I had a Millenniumair KFR-34GW Air Conditioning unit from
Global Cooling installed to cool an attic room, after reading
about the company on here.


??

It plugs into a socket. Recently if
the unit was running the sockets in the house tripped about 15
minutes after it started to rain. I don't know where the water is
getting in but I've tried to cover (some of) the unit with a
plastic table, tape and bin bags, and after doing this it trips
after hours rather than minutes. Is there anything that can be
done, without replacing the whole system?

Photos:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a040d0_o_d.jpg
Now
https://live.staticflickr.com/97/213...140895_o_d.jpg.
In 2005


insulation test the unit to confirm whether it's the problem. If it trips during rain it could be due to either rain getting into it or just the increase in RH causing borderline insulation to conduct. If it's now protected from rain it may be the latter. Again divide & conquer, use an insulation tester. Hopefully you can locate the defective part. Sometimes nothing more than a surface clean is needed.


NT

Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\) February 3rd 20 07:47 AM

A/C unit tripping electrics when it rains
 
It would be interesting to find out exactly what current and which parts are
causing it. It might give a better clue. IE if its almost tripping all the
time it might be easier to find.
Brian

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On Sunday, 2 February 2020 22:30:07 UTC, quig wrote:

In 2005 I had a Millenniumair KFR-34GW Air Conditioning unit from
Global Cooling installed to cool an attic room, after reading
about the company on here.


??

It plugs into a socket. Recently if
the unit was running the sockets in the house tripped about 15
minutes after it started to rain. I don't know where the water is
getting in but I've tried to cover (some of) the unit with a
plastic table, tape and bin bags, and after doing this it trips
after hours rather than minutes. Is there anything that can be
done, without replacing the whole system?

Photos:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a040d0_o_d.jpg
Now
https://live.staticflickr.com/97/213...140895_o_d.jpg.
In 2005


insulation test the unit to confirm whether it's the problem. If it trips
during rain it could be due to either rain getting into it or just the
increase in RH causing borderline insulation to conduct. If it's now
protected from rain it may be the latter. Again divide & conquer, use an
insulation tester. Hopefully you can locate the defective part. Sometimes
nothing more than a surface clean is needed.


NT



harry February 3rd 20 07:52 AM

A/C unit tripping electrics when it rains
 
On Sunday, 2 February 2020 22:30:07 UTC, quig wrote:
In 2005 I had a Millenniumair KFR-34GW Air Conditioning unit from
Global Cooling installed to cool an attic room, after reading
about the company on here. It plugs into a socket. Recently if
the unit was running the sockets in the house tripped about 15
minutes after it started to rain. I don't know where the water is
getting in but I've tried to cover (some of) the unit with a
plastic table, tape and bin bags, and after doing this it trips
after hours rather than minutes. Is there anything that can be
done, without replacing the whole system?

Photos:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a040d0_o_d.jpg
Now
https://live.staticflickr.com/97/213...140895_o_d.jpg.
In 2005


You don't say if an RCCD is fitted and if it's that that trips rather than an overload.

quig February 3rd 20 04:41 PM

A/C unit tripping electrics when it rains
 
harry Wrote in message:

You don't say if an RCCD is fitted and if it's that that trips rather than an overload.


The consumer unit has an RCD, which IIRC is what trips.

Photo of consumer unit (not tripped):
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...e91d1a_o_d.jpg


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The Natural Philosopher[_2_] February 3rd 20 05:39 PM

A/C unit tripping electrics when it rains
 
On 03/02/2020 16:32, quig wrote:
harry Wrote in message:

You don't say if an RCCD is fitted and if it's that that trips rather than an overload.


The consumer unit has an RCD, which IIRC is what trips.

Photo of consumer unit (not tripped):
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...e91d1a_o_d.jpg


Why did you say MCB then?


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Cynic[_2_] February 4th 20 06:51 AM

A/C unit tripping electrics when it rains
 
I'd hazard a guess there's a leaky weatherproof seal or a damp cobweb somewhere but given your apparent inability to differentiate between an mcb and an rcd I strongly suggest you get someone who knows what he is doing to investigate.

quig February 13th 20 06:02 PM

A/C unit tripping electrics when it rains
 
Cynic Wrote in message:
I'd hazard a guess there's a leaky weatherproof seal or a damp cobweb somewhere but given your apparent inability to differentiate between an mcb and an rcd I strongly suggest you get someone who knows what he is doing to investigate.


I did get an electrician to look at it. He took the cover off the
outdoor unit, but wasn't sure what the problem was.

Diagram:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...7ebc8f_o_d.jpg

Inside outdoor unit:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...6db68a_o_d.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...53ff19_o_d.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...ec3f74_o_d.jpg




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[email protected] February 13th 20 06:24 PM

A/C unit tripping electrics when it rains
 
On Thursday, 13 February 2020 17:44:48 UTC, quig wrote:
Cynic Wrote in message:


I'd hazard a guess there's a leaky weatherproof seal or a damp cobweb somewhere but given your apparent inability to differentiate between an mcb and an rcd I strongly suggest you get someone who knows what he is doing to investigate.


I did get an electrician to look at it. He took the cover off the
outdoor unit, but wasn't sure what the problem was.

Diagram:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...7ebc8f_o_d.jpg

Inside outdoor unit:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...6db68a_o_d.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...53ff19_o_d.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...ec3f74_o_d.jpg


Looks like a bunch of dust in there between electrics & case. I'd clean it but I don't advise you do.

What testing did he do? Isolate various bits & megger them? Or did he just literally look under the cover & give up?


NT

quig February 29th 20 01:24 PM

A/C unit tripping electrics when it rains
 
Wrote in message:
On Thursday, 13 February 2020 17:44:48 UTC, quig wrote:
Cynic Wrote in message:


I'd hazard a guess there's a leaky weatherproof seal or a damp cobweb somewhere but given your apparent inability to differentiate between an mcb and an rcd I strongly suggest you get someone who knows what he is doing to investigate.


I did get an electrician to look at it. He took the cover off the
outdoor unit, but wasn't sure what the problem was.

Diagram:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...7ebc8f_o_d.jpg

Inside outdoor unit:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...6db68a_o_d.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...53ff19_o_d.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...ec3f74_o_d.jpg


Looks like a bunch of dust in there between electrics & case. I'd clean it but I don't advise you do.

What testing did he do? Isolate various bits & megger them? Or did he just literally look under the cover & give up?


NT


I don't recall him testing the components, but I can't be sure
that he didn't as it was some time ago. I did switch on the unit
for him. He suggested that it might be a component but wasn't
sure.

I did try an air duster, but at the recommended 1 second bursts it
wasn't making much difference.


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Cynic[_2_] March 1st 20 07:50 AM

A/C unit tripping electrics when it rains
 
You'd be much better getting an a/c specialist in to sort the problem out. Considering the electronic circuitry in a modern unit don't let anyone waving a megger about go anywhere near the unit.

Rod Speed March 1st 20 08:46 AM

A/C unit tripping electrics when it rains
 
Cynic wrote

You'd be much better getting an a/c
specialist in to sort the problem out.


Considering the electronic circuitry in
a modern unit don't let anyone waving
a megger about go anywhere near the unit.


Yeah, they have a megger detector and an explosive
gorilla net that entangles the megger waver. Funky.

Peeler[_4_] March 1st 20 09:36 AM

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On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 19:46:02 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Yeah, they have a megger detector and an explosive
gorilla net that entangles the megger waver. Funky.


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