On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:26:27 GMT, "Snowman"
wrote:

SWMBO announced tonight that according to "someone at work" who's just had
their kitchen re-fitted, that it can cost about the same to have a kitchen
fitting company come in, design, supply and fit the new units, and "do" the
floor, electrics, lighting, ceiling, plumbing, etc., as it could cost for a
combination of (say) Ikea units and DIY fitting, with plumber, electrician,
floorer for specific jobs.

Is that possible? (I'm sure quality should come somewhere in this as well).

Peter.



Of course. There are trade suppliers that the kitchen fitting
companies can use where they can obtain carcasses and basic doors at
lower prices than you can get them for in retailers and still make a
margin.

The major cost is in the labour unless you go for quite upmarket
products, so if the material cost is low enough, then it can come to
similar figures.

Plumbing and especially electrics in a kitchen are detailed and time
consuming so if you account for these as well, the delta becomes less
between DIY and installed.




..andy

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"Snowman" wrote in message
news
SWMBO announced tonight that according to "someone at work" who's just had
their kitchen re-fitted, that it can cost about the same to have a kitchen
fitting company come in, design, supply and fit the new units, and "do"
the
floor, electrics, lighting, ceiling, plumbing, etc., as it could cost for
a
combination of (say) Ikea units and DIY fitting, with plumber,
electrician,
floorer for specific jobs.

Is that possible? (I'm sure quality should come somewhere in this as
well).

Yes and no. If you can't do the plumbing, electrics and tiling (walls are
harder than floors) then you will possibly spend more. Also it depends how
hard you can push the salesman and how desperate they are for work. It is
quite possible to get quotes of £3k and £12k for virtually the same kitchen.

On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:58:35 GMT, Rick Dipper
wrote:

On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:26:27 GMT, "Snowman"
wrote:

SWMBO announced tonight that according to "someone at work" who's just had
their kitchen re-fitted, that it can cost about the same to have a kitchen
fitting company come in, design, supply and fit the new units, and "do" the
floor, electrics, lighting, ceiling, plumbing, etc., as it could cost for a
combination of (say) Ikea units and DIY fitting, with plumber, electrician,
floorer for specific jobs.

Is that possible? (I'm sure quality should come somewhere in this as well).

Peter.


I would imagine that it is. I would also guess that any screw up is
easier to deal with, as its one single company to sue.

Rick

Yes and no.

Typically the fitters are self employed and are paid separately.

The important point is to have a written agreement with the supplier
where they take responsibility for the materials and the work.




..andy

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SWMBO announced tonight that according to "someone at work" who's just had
their kitchen re-fitted, that it can cost about the same to have a kitchen
fitting company come in, design, supply and fit the new units, and "do" the
floor, electrics, lighting, ceiling, plumbing, etc., as it could cost for a
combination of (say) Ikea units and DIY fitting, with plumber, electrician,
floorer for specific jobs.

Is that possible? (I'm sure quality should come somewhere in this as well).

Peter.

On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:26:27 GMT, "Snowman"
wrote:

SWMBO announced tonight that according to "someone at work" who's just had
their kitchen re-fitted, that it can cost about the same to have a kitchen
fitting company come in, design, supply and fit the new units, and "do" the
floor, electrics, lighting, ceiling, plumbing, etc., as it could cost for a
combination of (say) Ikea units and DIY fitting, with plumber, electrician,
floorer for specific jobs.

Is that possible? (I'm sure quality should come somewhere in this as well).

Peter.


I would imagine that it is. I would also guess that any screw up is
easier to deal with, as its one single company to sue.

Rick

On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:26:27 GMT, "Snowman"
strung together this:

(I'm sure quality should come somewhere in this as well).

Yep, that was my first thought. You could have someone come in and
**** up your kitchen, or for the same price you could sort it out
yourself, properly.
--

SJW
A.C.S. Ltd

On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:58:35 GMT, Rick Dipper
wrote:


I would imagine that it is. I would also guess that any screw up is
easier to deal with, as its one single company to sue.

You obviously have not dealt with many of the national kitchen
fitting companies. They are the spawn of failed double glazing
salesmen and timeshare harlots.

Apart from their sales tactics, which make Rasputin look like a
fluffy bunny, they employ local low standard labour on fixed prices
for each job so the aim is to get in, bodge it as quickly as
possible, and get out. The only competence they show is with their
choice of solicitors to fight the inevitable court appearance
afterwards.

Avoid the nationals like the plague. If you want to find a fitter
get a good local one and talk to a few of their customers beforehand.
No matter how many half price offers the big companies have they will
cost you more in the end and you will have to live with their shoddy
work for years.

--
Peter Parry.
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:26:27 GMT, "Snowman"
wrote:

SWMBO announced tonight that according to "someone at work" who's just had
their kitchen re-fitted, that it can cost about the same to have a kitchen
fitting company come in, design, supply and fit the new units, and "do" the
floor, electrics, lighting, ceiling, plumbing, etc., as it could cost for a
combination of (say) Ikea units and DIY fitting, with plumber, electrician,
floorer for specific jobs.

Is that possible? (I'm sure quality should come somewhere in this as well).

Peter.


Then get the figures from that "someone at work" (I'll bet it was a
woman) to see how they broke them down. If you agree then go ahead
with the same firm. I think that this someone has fallen for some
sales patter and is repeating it without thinking it through.

On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:26:27 GMT, "Snowman"
wrote:


Is that possible? (I'm sure quality should come somewhere in this as well).

If you employ any of the larger companies who advertise their
permanent half price sales in the tabloids quality is not a something
you will get any experience of.

--
Peter Parry.
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

"Peter Parry" wrote
| You obviously have not dealt with many of the national
| kitchen fitting companies. They are the spawn of
| failed double glazing salesmen and timeshare harlots.

I think my mother feels the same way about bathroom fitting companies. Last
weekend she got locked inside her walk-in but unclimbable-out-of combi
bath/shower.

A certain packaged works contractor who advertises in the Daily Telegraph
and Saga magazine will be on the receiving end of a Retired Deputy
Headmistress armed with a well-thumbed copy of "Consumer Law For Angry
Pensioners".

I don't know for whom to feel more sorry :-)

Owain

In article , Peter Parry
writes
On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:58:35 GMT, Rick Dipper
wrote:


I would imagine that it is. I would also guess that any screw up is
easier to deal with, as its one single company to sue.

You obviously have not dealt with many of the national kitchen
fitting companies. They are the spawn of failed double glazing
salesmen and timeshare harlots.

Apart from their sales tactics, which make Rasputin look like a
fluffy bunny, they employ local low standard labour on fixed prices
for each job so the aim is to get in, bodge it as quickly as
possible, and get out.

There's nothing wrong with "bodging". "Botching" is to be avoided at all
costs.

--
Frank Erskine

Snowman wrote:

SWMBO announced tonight that according to "someone at work" who's just had
their kitchen re-fitted, that it can cost about the same to have a kitchen
fitting company come in, design, supply and fit the new units, and "do" the
floor, electrics, lighting, ceiling, plumbing, etc., as it could cost for a
combination of (say) Ikea units and DIY fitting, with plumber, electrician,
floorer for specific jobs.

Is that possible? (I'm sure quality should come somewhere in this as well).


Certainly is if you use Ikea units.

Labour cots are between 50 and 75% of total costs of any job like that.

If she is right, you have to ask how cheap the units being supplied
really are.

As an aside, sister inlaw (interior designer) got involved in a kitchen
and bathroom job. The London based firm had quited in excess of £23k for
what transpired to be almost nothing at all - no doubt 'extras' would
have been around another £15k.

The job was done using 'rural' labour for about £12k. INCLUDING parts.

Peter.

Snowman lid typed:

SWMBO announced tonight that according to "someone at work" who's
just had their kitchen re-fitted, that it can cost about the same to
have a kitchen fitting company come in, design, supply and fit the
new units, and "do" the floor, electrics, lighting, ceiling,
plumbing, etc

Quite true from a purely price angle.
Kitchens Direct spring to mind, did you not see the TV programme about them.

I'm sure quality should come somewhere in this as
well).

*Quality !!* AHhhh that's the Extra and makes all the differance.

On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 22:59:55 +0100, "Owain"
wrote:

"Peter Parry" wrote
| You obviously have not dealt with many of the national
| kitchen fitting companies. They are the spawn of
| failed double glazing salesmen and timeshare harlots.

I think my mother feels the same way about bathroom fitting companies. Last
weekend she got locked inside her walk-in but unclimbable-out-of combi
bath/shower.

A certain packaged works contractor who advertises in the Daily Telegraph
and Saga magazine will be on the receiving end of a Retired Deputy
Headmistress armed with a well-thumbed copy of "Consumer Law For Angry
Pensioners".

I don't know for whom to feel more sorry :-)

Owain


A good reason to DIY the whole job

On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 22:59:55 +0100, "Owain"
wrote:


I think my mother feels the same way about bathroom fitting companies.

You will find that many of the bathroom/kitchen/bedroom fitting
"specialists" are often parts of the same holding company whose only
real specialisation is execrable high pressure sales technique.

--
Peter Parry.
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

"Rick Dipper" wrote
| A certain packaged works contractor who advertises in the Daily
| Telegraph and Saga magazine will be on the receiving end of a
| Retired Deputy Headmistress armed with a well-thumbed copy of
| "Consumer Law For Angry Pensioners".
| A good reason to DIY the whole job

A /very/ good reason for me to stay well clear and not get involved!

Owain

"Peter Parry" wrote
| I think my mother feels the same way about bathroom fitting
| companies. You will find that many of the bathroom/kitchen/
| bedroom fitting "specialists" are often parts of the same
| holding company whose only real specialisation is execrable
| high pressure sales technique.

I warned her about Dolphin/Moben/Sharps. It's not them.

Owain

"robert" wrote in message



Then get the figures from that "someone at work" (I'll bet it was a
woman) to see how they broke them down. If you agree then go ahead
with the same firm. I think that this someone has fallen for some
sales patter and is repeating it without thinking it through.

Quite right. The cost is about the same on paper as it should be. In
fact the complete works should be cheaper taking into account all the
bulk deals involved. What happens is that they make the money up with
the finances.

A thousand pounds would accrue interest costs of another thousand by the
time you hsve pid it off.

How much do you think an house really costs on a thirty year mortgage?




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