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Rewiring a house in France
Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs?
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ARW wrote:
Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? Lots of MCBs, they don't do multiple sockets on one circuit. :-) -- Chris Green · |
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On Saturday, 11 January 2020 16:23:03 UTC, ARW wrote:
Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? Please sir, me sir! I have un big book de le bricolage avec beaucoup de pictures de le wiring frog. Je will scan et email les pages relevants a vous later today. Owain |
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On 11/01/2020 16:23, ARW wrote:
Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? cash for bribes -- Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques. |
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On Saturday, 11 January 2020 16:23:03 UTC, ARW wrote:
Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? Dans le meantime, utilisez le Google Translate sur https://www.promotelec.com/ which appears to be the equivalent of NICEIC. What type of Consuel compliance certificate should we use when renovating, partially or securing a home? [security here I think means making an installation safe] For partial renovation or security work on accommodation, the Consuel yellow certificate of conformity form should be used. What type of certificate of conformity should I obtain? It depends on the type of room: The Yellow certificate of conformity is intended for all electrical consumption installations for domestic use, in particular for residential premises (new or renovated accommodation), for outbuildings of the accommodation (garage, veranda, barn, shed, but also swimming pool or garden shed) or for an outdoor electrical installation and garden lighting. The Green certificate of conformity is intended for all non-domestic electrical consumption installations (condominiums, certain public or private organizations or even trustees): for the common parts of buildings, subdivisions, Establishments open to the public (ERP) ... The Blue certificate of conformity is intended for all domestic electricity production installations, in particular for renewable energies (photovoltaic panels, wind turbines, cogeneration, etc.). In a new home combining traditional electrical network and electricity production, it is necessary to obtain a yellow Consuel certificate and a blue Consuel certificate. The "purple" certificate of conformity for photovoltaic and wind energy production installations with an electrical energy storage device. Is the Consuel conformity certificate mandatory for both new and existing? Yes, the Consuel certificate of conformity is compulsory as soon as work is carried out to create, modify or complete an electrical installation. Where to get the NF C 15-100 standard? The NF C 15-100 standard can be ordered on the AFNOR, French Association for Standardization website: http://www.afnor.org/ Official de lelectricite-promote We also recommend the book "Electrical installations of new residential buildings" which brings together all the rules to know, recommendations and advice from the Promotelec association. Guidance for existing buildings is he http://www.promotelec-services.com/l...existants.html The NF C 15-100 appears to be the equivalent of IET Wiring Regs for new builds. Owain |
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On Saturday, 11 January 2020 16:23:03 UTC, ARW wrote:
Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? You will have a 20 MB PDF by email when my tablet has squeezed it down the wifi. Sorry that is 10x too big to put on the wiki server. Owain |
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On Saturday, 11 January 2020 16:23:03 UTC, ARW wrote:
Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? The scan I have done of a French DIY book electrics chapter is at http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php...28532258302597 will expire after 100 days of no download Owain |
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On 11/01/2020 17:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/01/2020 16:23, ARW wrote: Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? cash for bribes Brexiters, they love Europe, they just don't want to b part of it, they aren't racist or xenophobic in any way. |
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On 11/01/2020 18:01, wrote:
On Saturday, 11 January 2020 16:23:03 UTC, ARW wrote: Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? You will have a 20 MB PDF by email when my tablet has squeezed it down the wifi. Sorry that is 10x too big to put on the wiki server. https://wetransfer.com/ is handy for that kind of thing... -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 11/01/2020 17:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/01/2020 16:23, ARW wrote: Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? cash for bribes I believe that cash is bad form and could be taxable. Cognac, Champers or expensive wine is good As are truffles... |
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Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "ARW" wrote in message ... Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? -- Adam |
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"ARW" wrote in message ... Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? knowing the French, a French electrician tim |
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On 11/01/2020 16:23, ARW wrote:
Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? Yellow vest, good rioting ability, ability to shrug nonchanently, ... I thought you could do it with ring-mains, a la UK and they would not give a flying canard ?. |
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On 12/01/2020 11:10, Andrew wrote:
On 11/01/2020 16:23, ARW wrote: Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? Yellow vest, good rioting ability, ability to shrug nonchanently, ... I thought you could do it with ring-mains, a la UK and they would not give a flying canard ?. In theory I thought you could. -- Adam |
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On 12/01/2020 11:15, ARW wrote:
On 12/01/2020 11:10, Andrew wrote: On 11/01/2020 16:23, ARW wrote: Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? Yellow vest, good rioting ability, ability to shrug nonchanently, ... I thought you could do it with ring-mains, a la UK and they would not give a flying canard ?. In theory I thought you could. Reference to a book on Amazon here in this relevent thread posted by another 'nicy' - https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/r...france.412360/ Not sure if it is the one already scanned though Andrew |
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On 12/01/2020 11:37, Andrew wrote:
On 12/01/2020 11:15, ARW wrote: On 12/01/2020 11:10, Andrew wrote: On 11/01/2020 16:23, ARW wrote: Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? Yellow vest, good rioting ability, ability to shrug nonchanently, ... I thought you could do it with ring-mains, a la UK and they would not give a flying canard ?. In theory I thought you could. Reference to a book on Amazon here in this relevent thread posted by another 'nicy' - https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/r...france.412360/ Not sure if it is the one already scanned though Andrew page 22 of this PDF looks like what you want :- http://www.legrand.com/files/fck/Fil...ernational.pdf |
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On 12/01/2020 11:44, Andrew wrote:
On 12/01/2020 11:37, Andrew wrote: On 12/01/2020 11:15, ARW wrote: On 12/01/2020 11:10, Andrew wrote: On 11/01/2020 16:23, ARW wrote: Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? Yellow vest, good rioting ability, ability to shrug nonchanently, ... I thought you could do it with ring-mains, a la UK and they would not give a flying canard ?. In theory I thought you could. Reference to a book on Amazon here in this relevent thread posted by another 'nicy' - https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/r...france.412360/ Not sure if it is the one already scanned though Andrew page 22 of this PDF looks like what you want :- http://www.legrand.com/files/fck/Fil...ernational.pdf That whole chapter is a rather good summary! |
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Andrew wrote:
On 11/01/2020 16:23, ARW wrote: Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? Yellow vest, good rioting ability, ability to shrug nonchanently, ... I thought you could do it with ring-mains, a la UK and they would not give a flying canard ?. Only until we leave the EU so you'd have to do it quickly! :-) Anything 'correct' wiring wise in one country of the EU has to be OK in all the other countries as well, at least that's my understanding. -- Chris Green · |
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On Sunday, 12 January 2020 11:37:26 UTC, Andrew wrote:
Reference to a book on Amazon here in this relevent thread posted by another 'nicy' - Not sure if it is the one already scanned though Non, mon est: https://livre.fnac.com/a1224967/Chri...t-du-bricolage it's actually quite cheap. It was 22,99 new (or 25p in charity shop here) Owain |
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On Sunday, 12 January 2020 11:22:44 UTC, Andrew wrote:
Just what a sparky needs, how to wire up a TV or Phone in France. I think they have rules about having a number of phone/tv/network ports included in new builds; don't know if that applies to rewires. Sorry it's fuzzy. That'll be my old tablet and free PDF software. Owain |
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On 12/01/2020 12:48, Chris Green wrote:
Andrew wrote: On 11/01/2020 16:23, ARW wrote: Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? Yellow vest, good rioting ability, ability to shrug nonchanently, ... I thought you could do it with ring-mains, a la UK and they would not give a flying canard ?. Only until we leave the EU so you'd have to do it quickly! :-) Anything 'correct' wiring wise in one country of the EU has to be OK in all the other countries as well, at least that's my understanding. Reading that thread in DIY-not suggests that UK-style T&E where the cpc is bare copper is not allowed?? in France. They seem to use singles inside conduits. Lightning is more of a problem in parts of France so surge protectors may be more of an issue in rural areas. |
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On Sunday, 12 January 2020 13:20:52 UTC, Andrew wrote:
Lightning is more of a problem in parts of France so surge protectors may be more of an issue in rural areas. Page 272, Protection contre la foudre, includes a map showing the lightning risks across France. The surge protection device is a parafoudre (parafoudre debrochables has a replaceable surge arrester) and like in the UK can be a separate unit taken from the meter or included in the consumer unit. In areas with high risk of strike, not only is earthed equipotential bonding and external lighting conductors (descente de paratonnerre?) used but strike counters (compteurs) are wired in to the individual main bonding conductors to gas, water etc. https://translate.google.com/transla...es&prev=search Owain |
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On 12/01/2020 11:37, Andrew wrote:
On 12/01/2020 11:15, ARW wrote: On 12/01/2020 11:10, Andrew wrote: On 11/01/2020 16:23, ARW wrote: Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? Yellow vest, good rioting ability, ability to shrug nonchanently, ... I thought you could do it with ring-mains, a la UK and they would not give a flying canard ?. In theory I thought you could. Reference to a book on Amazon here in this relevent thread posted by another 'nicy' - https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/r...france.412360/ Not sure if it is the one already scanned though And some **** about carrying a breathalyser kit, spare bulbs[1], warning triangle and other **** like driving on the wrong side of the road? TBH I actually have the first aid kit and hi viz in my car. [1] Plus learn how to swap the bulb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsKD-kLg88o I have to beat the 5000 Euros the French want to rewire it. -- Adam |
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On 12/01/2020 13:04, wrote:
On Sunday, 12 January 2020 11:37:26 UTC, Andrew wrote: Reference to a book on Amazon here in this relevent thread posted by another 'nicy' - Not sure if it is the one already scanned though Non, mon est: https://livre.fnac.com/a1224967/Chri...t-du-bricolage it's actually quite cheap. It was 22,99 new (or 25p in charity shop here) Apparently you can learn to speak French in one hour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsKD-kLg88o -- Adam |
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On 12/01/2020 14:26, ARW wrote:
On 12/01/2020 11:37, Andrew wrote: On 12/01/2020 11:15, ARW wrote: On 12/01/2020 11:10, Andrew wrote: On 11/01/2020 16:23, ARW wrote: Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? Yellow vest, good rioting ability, ability to shrug nonchanently, ... I thought you could do it with ring-mains, a la UK and they would not give a flying canard ?. In theory I thought you could. Reference to a book on Amazon here in this relevent thread posted by another 'nicy' - https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/r...france.412360/ Not sure if it is the one already scanned though And some **** about carrying a breathalyser kit, spare bulbs[1], warning triangle and other **** like driving on the wrong side of the road? TBH I actually have the first aid kit and hi viz in my car. [1] Plus learn how to swap the bulb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsKD-kLg88o I have to beat the 5000 Euros the French want to rewire it. Seems to me tricky if it's for a commercial job for someone who might insist you come back to look at what they say is a problem. And if they expect you to provide the usual insurance-backed 10-year warranty ("assurance decennale") you'll need to budget for that - although I don't know if you can buy a one-off. Oh, and if Lou would be travelling with you the shopping opportunities might also impinge on the budget :) -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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"Robin" wrote in message ... On 12/01/2020 14:26, ARW wrote: On 12/01/2020 11:37, Andrew wrote: On 12/01/2020 11:15, ARW wrote: On 12/01/2020 11:10, Andrew wrote: On 11/01/2020 16:23, ARW wrote: Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? Yellow vest, good rioting ability, ability to shrug nonchanently, ... I thought you could do it with ring-mains, a la UK and they would not give a flying canard ?. In theory I thought you could. Reference to a book on Amazon here in this relevent thread posted by another 'nicy' - https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/r...france.412360/ Not sure if it is the one already scanned though And some **** about carrying a breathalyser kit, spare bulbs[1], warning triangle and other **** like driving on the wrong side of the road? TBH I actually have the first aid kit and hi viz in my car. [1] Plus learn how to swap the bulb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsKD-kLg88o I have to beat the 5000 Euros the French want to rewire it. Seems to me tricky if it's for a commercial job for someone who might insist you come back to look at what they say is a problem. And if they expect you to provide the usual insurance-backed 10-year warranty ("assurance decennale") you'll need to budget for that - although I don't know if you can buy a one-off. Oh, and if Lou would be travelling with you the shopping opportunities might also impinge on the budget :) But he might save heaps by filling the van with cheap grog and fags when coming home. |
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On 11/01/2020 16:46, Chris Green wrote:
ARW wrote: Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? Lots of MCBs, they don't do multiple sockets on one circuit. :-) Up to eight on 2.5 sq mm cable and 5 on 1.5 sq mm i IIRC. SteveW |
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"Chris Green" wrote in message ... Andrew wrote: On 11/01/2020 16:23, ARW wrote: Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? Yellow vest, good rioting ability, ability to shrug nonchanently, ... I thought you could do it with ring-mains, a la UK and they would not give a flying canard ?. Only until we leave the EU so you'd have to do it quickly! :-) Anything 'correct' wiring wise in one country of the EU has to be OK in all the other countries as well, at least that's my understanding. I'm fairly sure that doesn't apply to this example |
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On 12/01/2020 12:48, Chris Green wrote:
Andrew wrote: On 11/01/2020 16:23, ARW wrote: Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? Yellow vest, good rioting ability, ability to shrug nonchanently, ... I thought you could do it with ring-mains, a la UK and they would not give a flying canard ?. Only until we leave the EU so you'd have to do it quickly! :-) Anything 'correct' wiring wise in one country of the EU has to be OK in all the other countries as well, at least that's my understanding. No rush - the Republic of Ireland allows ring-mains too, so they should stay legal. SteveW |
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On 12/01/2020 22:33, Steve Walker wrote:
On 11/01/2020 16:46, Chris Green wrote: ARW wrote: Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? Lots of MCBs, they don't do multiple sockets on one circuit. :-) Up to eight on 2.5 sq mm cable and 5 on 1.5 sq mm i IIRC. SteveW Hmmm, a moment's research seems to show that they expect 2.5 sq mm for all sockets now. SteveW |
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On 11/01/20 16:23, ARW wrote:
Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? What about contacting Mr Strawbridge? You might even feature in the next series of "Escape to the château"! -- Jeff |
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Steve Walker wrote:
On 11/01/2020 16:46, Chris Green wrote: ARW wrote: Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? Lots of MCBs, they don't do multiple sockets on one circuit. :-) Up to eight on 2.5 sq mm cable and 5 on 1.5 sq mm i IIRC. Yes, I didn't think it was quite one socket per MCB, but it's not many is it! Quite unlike the UK regs which have no specific limit on number of sockets, just a recommended maximum area to serve and a requirement to consider what the load is likely to be. -- Chris Green · |
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Steve Walker wrote:
On 12/01/2020 12:48, Chris Green wrote: Andrew wrote: On 11/01/2020 16:23, ARW wrote: Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? Yellow vest, good rioting ability, ability to shrug nonchanently, ... I thought you could do it with ring-mains, a la UK and they would not give a flying canard ?. Only until we leave the EU so you'd have to do it quickly! :-) Anything 'correct' wiring wise in one country of the EU has to be OK in all the other countries as well, at least that's my understanding. No rush - the Republic of Ireland allows ring-mains too, so they should stay legal. But you'd have to do it to Irish standards which I don't think are exactly the same as ours. -- Chris Green · |
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Chris Green wrote:
Steve Walker wrote: the Republic of Ireland allows ring-mains too, so they should stay legal. But you'd have to do it to Irish standards which I don't think are exactly the same as ours. for example https://www.idh.ie/quality-approved-cables/idh-pvc-cables/new-features-201y.html |
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On Sunday, 12 January 2020 22:36:22 UTC, tim... wrote:
Anything 'correct' wiring wise in one country of the EU has to be OK in all the other countries as well, at least that's my understanding. I'm fairly sure that doesn't apply to this example It does if the standards are harmonised, which BS 7371 is to the IEC standard (which explains the weird numbering and section arrangements). *Mixing* standards may be a problem and I doubt French sockets meet ours. Owain |
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On 12/01/2020 18:12, Robin wrote:
On 12/01/2020 14:26, ARW wrote: On 12/01/2020 11:37, Andrew wrote: On 12/01/2020 11:15, ARW wrote: On 12/01/2020 11:10, Andrew wrote: On 11/01/2020 16:23, ARW wrote: Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? Yellow vest, good rioting ability, ability to shrug nonchanently, ... I thought you could do it with ring-mains, a la UK and they would not give a flying canard ?. In theory I thought you could. Reference to a book on Amazon here in this relevent thread posted by another 'nicy' - https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/r...france.412360/ Not sure if it is the one already scanned though And some **** about carrying a breathalyser kit, spare bulbs[1], warning triangle and other **** like driving on the wrong side of the road? TBH I actually have the first aid kit and hi viz in my car. [1] Plus learn how to swap the bulb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsKD-kLg88o I have to beat the 5000 Euros the French want to rewire it. Seems to me tricky if it's for a commercial job for someone who might insist you come back to look at what they say is a problem.* And if they expect you to provide the usual insurance-backed 10-year warranty ("assurance decennale") you'll need to budget for that - although I don't know if you can buy a one-off. Oh, and if Lou would be travelling with you the shopping opportunities might also impinge on the budget :) She has already looked up how to order a bottle of white wine in French. BTW offers of a labourer on this job are welcome. You get there for free (the car has empty seats) do some work for some money, take advantage of the free villa next door to the job etc. I intend to visit Gold Beach (my Grandad landed on it on D Day +2) whilst I am there[1]. And have a look at a large tea towel in Bayeux. He always told a good story about landing on the beach. A motorcycle pulled up and the driver shouted "Wadsworth get on". He did and was driven a few miles away to fix a radio. That's when they realised it was the wrong Wadsworth and they took him back to the beach. -- Adam |
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ARW Wrote in message:
On 12/01/2020 11:37, Andrew wrote: On 12/01/2020 11:15, ARW wrote: On 12/01/2020 11:10, Andrew wrote: On 11/01/2020 16:23, ARW wrote: Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? Yellow vest, good rioting ability, ability to shrug nonchanently, ... I thought you could do it with ring-mains, a la UK and they would not give a flying canard ?. In theory I thought you could. Reference to a book on Amazon here in this relevent thread posted by another 'nicy' - https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/r...france.412360/ Not sure if it is the one already scanned though And some **** about carrying a breathalyser kit, spare bulbs[1], warning triangle and other **** like driving on the wrong side of the road? TBH I actually have the first aid kit and hi viz in my car. [1] Plus learn how to swap the bulb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsKD-kLg88o I have to beat the 5000 Euros the French want to rewire it. -- Adam And a sat-nav sans speed cameras. -- __ %Profound_observation% ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 13/01/2020 19:06, Graham. wrote:
ARW Wrote in message: On 12/01/2020 11:37, Andrew wrote: On 12/01/2020 11:15, ARW wrote: On 12/01/2020 11:10, Andrew wrote: On 11/01/2020 16:23, ARW wrote: Can anyone help me as to what is needed to meet their specs and regs? Yellow vest, good rioting ability, ability to shrug nonchanently, ... I thought you could do it with ring-mains, a la UK and they would not give a flying canard ?. In theory I thought you could. Reference to a book on Amazon here in this relevent thread posted by another 'nicy' - https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/r...france.412360/ Not sure if it is the one already scanned though And some **** about carrying a breathalyser kit, spare bulbs[1], warning triangle and other **** like driving on the wrong side of the road? TBH I actually have the first aid kit and hi viz in my car. [1] Plus learn how to swap the bulb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsKD-kLg88o I have to beat the 5000 Euros the French want to rewire it. -- Adam And a sat-nav sans speed cameras. Already covered that one:-) Download the maps of France into my phone and go off line and then use Lou's phone to look for the cameras. And then probably have a **** next to a French speed camera. -- Adam |
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