Why do most car mechanics pride themselves in using the correct spanner for
any nut - yet plumbers who have less sizes to cope with just maul stuff
tight with crude grips?

On 31/12/2019 14:46, John wrote:
Why do most car mechanics pride themselves in using the correct spanner for
any nut - yet plumbers who have less sizes to cope with just maul stuff
tight with crude grips?


You can rarely use a ring spanner or socket in plumbing. An open ended
spanner is not that much better than a good adjustable spanner.

Besides that, there may be less standardisation of nut sizes in plumbing
*because* everyone uses adjustable grips?

On 31/12/2019 14:46, John wrote:
Why do most car mechanics pride themselves in using the correct spanner for
any nut - yet plumbers who have less sizes to cope with just maul stuff
tight with crude grips?

Because plumbers are oafs.

Bill

On 31/12/2019 14:46, John wrote:
Why do most car mechanics pride themselves in using the correct spanner for
any nut - yet plumbers who have less sizes to cope with just maul stuff
tight with crude grips?

Well actually if you use them carefully, you don't damage the flats or
ridges. And if something is going to move, a stilson will move it where
even a ring spanner will slip (and it is tricky to fit a ring spanner
over existing pipework).

The first is handling precision engineering the second is just after no
leaks of water.
Brian

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Why do most car mechanics pride themselves in using the correct spanner
for
any nut - yet plumbers who have less sizes to cope with just maul stuff
tight with crude grips?

In article , newshound
wrote:
On 31/12/2019 14:46, John wrote:
Why do most car mechanics pride themselves in using the correct spanner
for any nut - yet plumbers who have less sizes to cope with just maul
stuff tight with crude grips?

Well actually if you use them carefully, you don't damage the flats or
ridges. And if something is going to move, a stilson will move it where
even a ring spanner will slip (and it is tricky to fit a ring spanner
over existing pipework).

and, it's very difficult to grip a pipe with spanner.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

In message , Bill Wright
writes
On 31/12/2019 14:46, John wrote:
Why do most car mechanics pride themselves in using the correct spanner for
any nut - yet plumbers who have less sizes to cope with just maul stuff
tight with crude grips?

Because plumbers are oafs.

As a child (70 years back) I remember watching a pair of plumbers fit
vacuum piping to my father's upgraded cow shed. The pipe was clamped in
a pair of stands, a huge threading die used to put a thread on the end
and a joint sleeve fitted/sealed with paste and Hemp.

Jointing the pipe in the shed involved a pair of Stilson wrenches.
Nothing I saw that day involved the use of spanners: adjustable or not.

Steel conduit electrical work is similar but at least electricians get
to do up backnuts:-)

--
Tim Lamb

On 31/12/2019 14:46, John wrote:
Why do most car mechanics pride themselves in using the correct spanner for
any nut - yet plumbers who have less sizes to cope with just maul stuff
tight with crude grips?


Why did tyneside shipyard workers use a club hammer and cold
chisel for tightening up nuts ?.

On 31/12/2019 16:19, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Bill Wright
writes
On 31/12/2019 14:46, John wrote:
Why do most car mechanics pride themselves in using the correct
spanner for
any nut - yet plumbers who have less sizes to cope with just maul stuff
tight with crude grips?

Because plumbers are oafs.

As a child (70 years back) I remember watching a pair of plumbers fit
vacuum piping to my father's upgraded cow shed. The pipe was clamped in
a pair of stands,Â* a huge threading die used to put a thread on the end
and a joint sleeve fitted/sealed with paste and Hemp.

Jointing the pipe in the shed involved a pair of Stilson wrenches.
Nothing I saw that day involved the use of spanners: adjustable or not.

Steel conduit electrical work is similar but at least electricians get
to do up backnuts:-)


That's how iron gas piping is still done (where necessary for
protection) today.

All the houses on my estate built circa 1972-1978, have 3/4 inch
gas piping prepared onsite like this feeding the baxi bermuda back
boiler, then a continued run of 3/4 into the kitchen as far as
as a 3/4 inch tee joint with a 1/2 inch capped stub for a gas fridge
and another 1/2 inch feed to the cooker point.

All done in mild steel, with hemp and boss ?white tapered BSP joints
then painted with black bitumen paint and buried under the ground floor
screed.

You need to use 'stilson' wrenches to get a grip on the pipe and
couplings.

In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 31/12/2019 14:46, John wrote:
Why do most car mechanics pride themselves in using the correct spanner for
any nut - yet plumbers who have less sizes to cope with just maul stuff
tight with crude grips?


Why did tyneside shipyard workers use a club hammer and cold
chisel for tightening up nuts ?.


because they thought they were rivets

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 31/12/2019 17:29, Andrew wrote:
On 31/12/2019 14:46, John wrote:
Why do most car mechanics pride themselves in using the correct
spanner for
any nut - yet plumbers who have less sizes to cope with just maul stuff
tight with crude grips?


Why did tyneside shipyard workers use a club hammer and cold
chisel for tightening up nuts ?.

Because they didnt need to ever undo them

Same with plumbing.


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How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

Adolf Hitler

On 31/12/2019 14:46, John wrote:
Why do most car mechanics pride themselves in using the correct spanner for
any nut - yet plumbers who have less sizes to cope with just maul stuff
tight with crude grips?

always thought British plumbing methods were primitive....

On Tuesday, 31 December 2019 14:46:40 UTC, John wrote:
Why do most car mechanics pride themselves in using the correct spanner for
any nut - yet plumbers who have less sizes to cope with just maul stuff
tight with crude grips?

The main difference is higher torque is needed on cars. Adjustables mangle things at high torque, adjustables are fine at plumbing torque.


NT

In article 2,
John wrote:
Why do most car mechanics pride themselves in using the correct spanner for
any nut - yet plumbers who have less sizes to cope with just maul stuff
tight with crude grips?

I take it you never work on a car?

The standard 'spanner' on those will be a socket. Often in conjunction
with a torque wrench. Since on a car many fixings tend to be calculated
fairly carefully, to keep size and weight to a minimum.

Nothing like as critical with domestic plumbing.

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*Always borrow money from pessimists - they don't expect it back *

Dave Plowman London SW
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On Tuesday, 31 December 2019 17:29:21 UTC, Andrew wrote:
On 31/12/2019 14:46, John wrote:
Why do most car mechanics pride themselves in using the correct spanner for
any nut - yet plumbers who have less sizes to cope with just maul stuff
tight with crude grips?


Why did tyneside shipyard workers use a club hammer and cold
chisel for tightening up nuts ?.

They didn't have the proper tool:-
https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/flogging-spanner.html

On 01/01/2020 13:17, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article 2,
John wrote:
Why do most car mechanics pride themselves in using the correct spanner for
any nut - yet plumbers who have less sizes to cope with just maul stuff
tight with crude grips?

I take it you never work on a car?

The standard 'spanner' on those will be a socket. Often in conjunction
with a torque wrench. Since on a car many fixings tend to be calculated
fairly carefully, to keep size and weight to a minimum.

Nothing like as critical with domestic plumbing.


And modern cars use Torx and other nuts/bolts that a stillson
is not suitable for.

every car mechanic will also have a big 'water pump pliers'
which comes in handy quite often, though not for stubborn
threaded fittings.