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Moss on roof
Bungalow, back end south facing. I was unhappily on the roof about 5 years
ago scrapping and brushing the moss off. The tiles are very rough and are like steel. I'd read that stringing a length of copper wire over the ridge kills moss, so I did it. The moss returned on the back end of the roof, never mind and ******** to it, I'm not going up there again. Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day. Maybe the copper wire takes time to work? |
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Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day Round here it's the crows and rooks that dislodge the moss while pecking to find insects of some sort. |
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On 22/12/2019 17:28, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Bungalow, back end south facing. I was unhappily on the roof about 5 years ago scrapping and brushing the moss off. The tiles are very rough and are like steel. I'd read that stringing a length of copper wire over the ridge kills moss, so I did it. The moss returned on the back end of the roof, never mind and ******** to it, I'm not going up there again. Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day. Maybe the copper wire takes time to work? No Rod Hull impressions then? -- Adam |
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Jethro_uk wrote: when SWMBO was taking weekly injections of Avonex - a beta interferon for MS. In some people it can produce a ****ty 24-48 hours of "flu like symptoms", and it did in SWMBO. However, buried in a magazine was a tip that eating*fresh* pineapple before the injection would greatly reduce this. SWMBO tried it, and it eliminated these effects. Being of a scientific bent, she experimented and confirmed that eating pineapple prevented side effects. Not eating it and they developed. Does pineapple have an undesirable interaction with the drug, the same way that grapefruit can? |
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On 22/12/2019 17:28, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Bungalow, back end south facing. I was unhappily on the roof about 5 years ago scrapping and brushing the moss off. The tiles are very rough and are like steel. I'd read that stringing a length of copper wire over the ridge kills moss, so I did it. The moss returned on the back end of the roof, never mind and ******** to it, I'm not going up there again. Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day. Maybe the copper wire takes time to work? I've heard the same re copper wire. I suspect it could be a question of concentration. One wire on a small roof may do the trick. One wire on a large roof may help but not cure the problem. Wet and Forget is another product someone recommended but I've not tried it. |
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On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 17:28:28 -0000, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote: Bungalow, back end south facing. I was unhappily on the roof about 5 years ago scrapping and brushing the moss off. The tiles are very rough and are like steel. I'd read that stringing a length of copper wire over the ridge kills moss, so I did it. The moss returned on the back end of the roof, never mind and ******** to it, I'm not going up there again. Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day. Maybe the copper wire takes time to work? The best thing I've found for killing moss is benzalkonium chloride. It's the active ingrident in most patio and decking treatments, but is available much more cheaply as "BAC 50". I buy 5 litres each year, which is enough to treat my drive at patio. I've not tried it on my roof yet though. |
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ARW wrote:
On 22/12/2019 17:28, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: Bungalow, back end south facing. I was unhappily on the roof about 5 years ago scrapping and brushing the moss off. The tiles are very rough and are like steel. I'd read that stringing a length of copper wire over the ridge kills moss, so I did it. The moss returned on the back end of the roof, never mind and ******** to it, I'm not going up there again. Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day. Maybe the copper wire takes time to work? No Rod Hull impressions then? Wot? |
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Andy Burns wrote:
Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day Round here it's the crows and rooks that dislodge the moss while pecking to find insects of some sort. This is the first year that this has been happening. |
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Brian Reay wrote:
On 22/12/2019 17:28, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: Bungalow, back end south facing. I was unhappily on the roof about 5 years ago scrapping and brushing the moss off. The tiles are very rough and are like steel. I'd read that stringing a length of copper wire over the ridge kills moss, so I did it. The moss returned on the back end of the roof, never mind and ******** to it, I'm not going up there again. Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day. Maybe the copper wire takes time to work? I've heard the same re copper wire. I suspect it could be a question of concentration. One wire on a small roof may do the trick. One wire on a large roof may help but not cure the problem. Wet and Forget is another product someone recommended but I've not tried it. Seems to have helped. I've had to clean the gutters out a couple of times. |
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Caecilius wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 17:28:28 -0000, "Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote: Bungalow, back end south facing. I was unhappily on the roof about 5 years ago scrapping and brushing the moss off. The tiles are very rough and are like steel. I'd read that stringing a length of copper wire over the ridge kills moss, so I did it. The moss returned on the back end of the roof, never mind and ******** to it, I'm not going up there again. Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day. Maybe the copper wire takes time to work? The best thing I've found for killing moss is benzalkonium chloride. It's the active ingrident in most patio and decking treatments, but is available much more cheaply as "BAC 50". I buy 5 litres each year, which is enough to treat my drive at patio. I've not tried it on my roof yet though. No moss on the drive. I'm too bloody old to climb back on that roof again. |
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On 22/12/2019 19:19:45, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
ARW wrote: On 22/12/2019 17:28, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: Bungalow, back end south facing. I was unhappily on the roof about 5 years ago scrapping and brushing the moss off. The tiles are very rough and are like steel. I'd read that stringing a length of copper wire over the ridge kills moss, so I did it. The moss returned on the back end of the roof, never mind and ******** to it, I'm not going up there again. Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day. Maybe the copper wire takes time to work? No Rod Hull impressions then? Wot? This one, I believe it was his last. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/298801.stm |
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On 22/12/2019 19:34:30, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Caecilius wrote: On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 17:28:28 -0000, "Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote: Bungalow, back end south facing. I was unhappily on the roof about 5 years ago scrapping and brushing the moss off. The tiles are very rough and are like steel. I'd read that stringing a length of copper wire over the ridge kills moss, so I did it. The moss returned on the back end of the roof, never mind and ******** to it, I'm not going up there again. Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day. Maybe the copper wire takes time to work? The best thing I've found for killing moss is benzalkonium chloride. It's the active ingrident in most patio and decking treatments, but is available much more cheaply as "BAC 50". I buy 5 litres each year, which is enough to treat my drive at patio. I've not tried it on my roof yet though. No moss on the drive. I'm too bloody old to climb back on that roof again. A decent spray might get far enough |
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Fredxx wrote:
On 22/12/2019 19:34:30, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: Caecilius wrote: On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 17:28:28 -0000, "Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote: Bungalow, back end south facing. I was unhappily on the roof about 5 years ago scrapping and brushing the moss off. The tiles are very rough and are like steel. I'd read that stringing a length of copper wire over the ridge kills moss, so I did it. The moss returned on the back end of the roof, never mind and ******** to it, I'm not going up there again. Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day. Maybe the copper wire takes time to work? The best thing I've found for killing moss is benzalkonium chloride. It's the active ingrident in most patio and decking treatments, but is available much more cheaply as "BAC 50". I buy 5 litres each year, which is enough to treat my drive at patio. I've not tried it on my roof yet though. No moss on the drive. I'm too bloody old to climb back on that roof again. A decent spray might get far enough Maybe next year if I'm still around. I would have thought the sun would have killed the moss. The north facing roof is fine. |
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Jethro_uk wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 17:28:28 +0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: Bungalow, back end south facing. I was unhappily on the roof about 5 years ago scrapping and brushing the moss off. The tiles are very rough and are like steel. I'd read that stringing a length of copper wire over the ridge kills moss, so I did it. The moss returned on the back end of the roof, never mind and ******** to it, I'm not going up there again. Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day. Maybe the copper wire takes time to work? Yeah, I've heard that too - from enough "different" sources (possibly here) that I was tempted when I was last up on the roof. Wasnt there a contributor on here when usenet was still in short trousers who manufactured shaped copper sheets for the the ridge as part of a business? Scottish based ISTR The components were a lot more substantial than a thin bit of wire. Wonder if this is them. http://www.westlothianroofing.co.uk/copper_ridge.html GH |
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On 22/12/2019 21:10:08, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Fredxx wrote: On 22/12/2019 19:34:30, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: Caecilius wrote: On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 17:28:28 -0000, "Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote: Bungalow, back end south facing. I was unhappily on the roof about 5 years ago scrapping and brushing the moss off. The tiles are very rough and are like steel. I'd read that stringing a length of copper wire over the ridge kills moss, so I did it. The moss returned on the back end of the roof, never mind and ******** to it, I'm not going up there again. Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day. Maybe the copper wire takes time to work? The best thing I've found for killing moss is benzalkonium chloride. It's the active ingrident in most patio and decking treatments, but is available much more cheaply as "BAC 50". I buy 5 litres each year, which is enough to treat my drive at patio. I've not tried it on my roof yet though. No moss on the drive. I'm too bloody old to climb back on that roof again. A decent spray might get far enough Maybe next year if I'm still around. I would have thought the sun would have killed the moss. The north facing roof is fine. They say the good die young, you should live forever! :-) |
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On 23/12/2019 00:55, Fredxx wrote:
They say the good die young, you should live forever! :-) Harsh Bill |
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On 22/12/2019 17:28, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Bungalow, back end south facing. I was unhappily on the roof about 5 years ago scrapping and brushing the moss off. The tiles are very rough and are like steel. I'd read that stringing a length of copper wire over the ridge kills moss, so I did it. The moss returned on the back end of the roof, never mind and ******** to it, I'm not going up there again. Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day. Maybe the copper wire takes time to work? Has the copper wire gone green? -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 22/12/2019 18:46, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 17:53:13 +0000, Andy Burns wrote: Jethro_uk wrote: when SWMBO was taking weekly injections of Avonex - a beta interferon for MS. In some people it can produce a ****ty 24-48 hours of "flu like symptoms", and it did in SWMBO. However, buried in a magazine was a tip that eating*fresh* pineapple before the injection would greatly reduce this. SWMBO tried it, and it eliminated these effects. Being of a scientific bent, she experimented and confirmed that eating pineapple prevented side effects. Not eating it and they developed. Does pineapple have an undesirable interaction with the drug, the same way that grapefruit can? Well it's not contra indicated, and SWMBO didn't seem to suffer for 10 years but that's anecdata, not research. The more interesting thing is despite telling her consultant back in 2004, in 2014, not a single patient had been advised by the consultant - despite at least 10 SWMBO was in regular contact with trying it and mentioning to the same consultant how effective it seemed. Even now, with t'internet, it seems to be a just a piece of folklore - but SWMBO has mentioned in on MS newsgroups, and people are still finding it effective. Except for the ones who use tinned pineapple and then say "it doesn't work". But there really is no helping some people. One gets the impression that the medical mind runs on rails - probably something to do with being sued should things go awry. If it isn't part of the official diagnosis/treatment algorithm, it won't get mentioned. It's left to self-help groups and the like to spread the word. Arthritis is another similar area - anecdata suggests not consuming tomatoes and potatoes can ameliorate the discomfort, but you'll never hear that in a doctor's surgery. -- Spike |
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On Sunday, 22 December 2019 17:29:27 UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Bungalow, back end south facing. I was unhappily on the roof about 5 years ago scrapping and brushing the moss off. The tiles are very rough and are like steel. I'd read that stringing a length of copper wire over the ridge kills moss, so I did it. The moss returned on the back end of the roof, never mind and ******** to it, I'm not going up there again. Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day. Maybe the copper wire takes time to work? http://www.ibnature.com/copper-compo...lgaecides.html https://homeguides.sfgate.com/copper...oss-33916.html |
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Copper strip works better. Its a hard one as possibly not all of it is moss,
it can act as a growing agent for all sorts of other organic stuff from fungi to ordinary weeds, its a jungle up there. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message ... Bungalow, back end south facing. I was unhappily on the roof about 5 years ago scrapping and brushing the moss off. The tiles are very rough and are like steel. I'd read that stringing a length of copper wire over the ridge kills moss, so I did it. The moss returned on the back end of the roof, never mind and ******** to it, I'm not going up there again. Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day. Maybe the copper wire takes time to work? |
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On 23/12/2019 09:20, Spike wrote:
On 22/12/2019 18:46, Jethro_uk wrote: On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 17:53:13 +0000, Andy Burns wrote: Jethro_uk wrote: when SWMBO was taking weekly injections of Avonex - a beta interferon for MS. In some people it can produce a ****ty 24-48 hours of "flu like symptoms", and it did in SWMBO. However, buried in a magazine was a tip that eating*fresh* pineapple before the injection would greatly reduce this. SWMBO tried it, and it eliminated these effects. Being of a scientific bent, she experimented and confirmed that eating pineapple prevented side effects. Not eating it and they developed. Does pineapple have an undesirable interaction with the drug, the same way that grapefruit can? Well it's not contra indicated, and SWMBO didn't seem to suffer for 10 years but that's anecdata, not research. The more interesting thing is despite telling her consultant back in 2004, in 2014, not a single patient had been advised by the consultant - despite at least 10 SWMBO was in regular contact with trying it and mentioning to the same consultant how effective it seemed. Even now, with t'internet, it seems to be a just a piece of folklore - but SWMBO has mentioned in on MS newsgroups, and people are still finding it effective. Except for the ones who use tinned pineapple and then say "it doesn't work". But there really is no helping some people. One gets the impression that the medical mind runs on rails - If you speak to doctors- and I mean those who have been around some time and across a range of areas- you will learn that is far from the case. True, there are some 'standard' approaches, which experience has shown tend to work. It makes sense, when confronted with a patient who presents the appropriate symptoms and/or gives the right details etc those first- and it may require a few tries, especially of drug 'mixes'. However, if the standard approaches don't work, the medics go 'off piste' and do try other mixes or things. It is amazing, for example, how many drugs originally developed for one purpose are used 'off label' for other things, in some cases even if they are deprecated for their original use. There are some, (in) famous examples. probably something to do with being sued should things go awry. In the UK, suing of Doctors is surprising rare. I know someone who worked (briefly) for a company dealing in malpractice insurance for Doctors who do private work. Only those in 'cosmetic surgery' are considered a serious risk in terms of insurance. If it isn't part of the official diagnosis/treatment algorithm, it won't get mentioned. It's left to self-help groups and the like to spread the word. Arthritis is another similar area - anecdata suggests not consuming tomatoes and potatoes can ameliorate the discomfort, but you'll never hear that in a doctor's surgery. Ah yes. I remember your advice re ignoring the Government's previous alcohol consumption limit and your advocating a not 21 units but 60+. Oddly, since then the mention of even moderate consumption sends you into a tirade. |
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On 23/12/2019 09:31, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 09:20:20 +0000, Spike wrote: One gets the impression that the medical mind runs on rails - probably something to do with being sued should things go awry. If it isn't part of the official diagnosis/treatment algorithm, it won't get mentioned. It's left to self-help groups and the like to spread the word. Arthritis is another similar area - anecdata suggests not consuming tomatoes and potatoes can ameliorate the discomfort, but you'll never hear that in a doctor's surgery. They're both members of the Solanaceae family. Also includes peppers. All Solanaceae are said to promote inflammation - hence the reason to avoid them if you've got an inflammatory condition such as arthritis. Ah, that explains why I ejected a tooth the other day :-( Someone at work proffered up some chilli infused vodka, me gums had a brush with dynamite... -- Adrian C |
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On 23/12/2019 05:10, alan_m wrote:
On 22/12/2019 17:28, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: Bungalow, back end south facing. I was unhappily on the roof about 5 years ago scrapping and brushing the moss off. The tiles are very rough and are like steel. I'd read that stringing a length of copper wire over the ridge kills moss, so I did it. The moss returned on the back end of the roof, never mind and ******** to it, I'm not going up there again. Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day. Maybe the copper wire takes time to work? Has the copper wire gone green? I recall an old church somewhere with a glorious green copper roof on its spire. We stopped and admired it. Another tourist commented that they should polish it. |
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On 23/12/2019 09:38, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
Copper strip works better. Its a hard one as possibly not all of it is moss, it can act as a growing agent for all sorts of other organic stuff from fungi to ordinary weeds, its a jungle up there. It probably will not work if the wire or strip has been varnished or coated. The last copper strip I purchased (not for moss prevention) had a thick plastic type coating to keep it looking shiny. I had to scrape off some of this coating to solder a connection. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 22/12/2019 21:10, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Fredxx wrote: On 22/12/2019 19:34:30, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: Caecilius wrote: On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 17:28:28 -0000, "Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote: Bungalow, back end south facing. I was unhappily on the roof about 5 years ago scrapping and brushing the moss off. The tiles are very rough and are like steel. I'd read that stringing a length of copper wire over the ridge kills moss, so I did it. The moss returned on the back end of the roof, never mind and ******** to it, I'm not going up there again. Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day. Maybe the copper wire takes time to work? The best thing I've found for killing moss is benzalkonium chloride. It's the active ingrident in most patio and decking treatments, but is available much more cheaply as "BAC 50". I buy 5 litres each year, which is enough to treat my drive at patio. I've not tried it on my roof yet though. No moss on the drive. I'm too bloody old to climb back on that roof again. A decent spray might get far enough Maybe next year if I'm still around. I would have thought the sun would have killed the moss. The north facing roof is fine. I don't sun it makes much difference. Our road runs, more or less, North/South and most houses on our side have the roofs parallel to the road. One 'face' gets the morning sun but some houses are shaded by tall trees. The West side isn't shaded and gets the afternoon sun. We used to be (more) shaded at the front (east side) but some trees were removed (long story). From my roof I can see several nearby roofs on the west side and the east side roofs are easy to see from the road due to the lay of the land (the side of a hill). To the eye, moss growth is about the same on both sides, certainly on our house and the nearby ones. The front of ours was recently cleared, the back will be done when the weather permits. I did it some years back*, hopefully I won't need to do it again for some years! *Last time I just brushed it, this time it was power washed. I'm considering applying something like 'wet and forget' or similar. |
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On 23/12/2019 09:47, Brian Reay wrote:
On 23/12/2019 09:20, Spike wrote: On 22/12/2019 18:46, Jethro_uk wrote: On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 17:53:13 +0000, Andy Burns wrote: Jethro_uk wrote: when SWMBO was taking weekly injections of Avonex - a beta interferon for MS. In some people it can produce a ****ty 24-48 hours of "flu like symptoms", and it did in SWMBO. However, buried in a magazine was a tip that eating*fresh* pineapple before the injection would greatly reduce this. SWMBO tried it, and it eliminated these effects. Being of a scientific bent, she experimented and confirmed that eating pineapple prevented side effects. Not eating it and they developed. Does pineapple have an undesirable interaction with the drug, the same way that grapefruit can? Well it's not contra indicated, and SWMBO didn't seem to suffer for 10 years but that's anecdata, not research. The more interesting thing is despite telling her consultant back in 2004, in 2014, not a single patient had been advised by the consultant - despite at least 10 SWMBO was in regular contact with trying it and mentioning to the same consultant how effective it seemed. Even now, with t'internet, it seems to be a just a piece of folklore - but SWMBO has mentioned in on MS newsgroups, and people are still finding it effective. Except for the ones who use tinned pineapple and then say "it doesn't work". But there really is no helping some people. One gets the impression that the medical mind runs on rails - If you speak to doctors- and I mean those who have been around some time and across a range of areas- you will learn that is far from the case. True, there are some 'standard' approaches, which experience has shown tend to work. It makes sense, when confronted with a patient who presents the appropriate symptoms and/or gives the right details etc those first- and it may require a few tries, especially of drug 'mixes'. However, if the standard approaches don't work, the medics go 'off piste' and do try other mixes or things. It is amazing, for example, how many drugs originally developed for one purpose are used 'off label' for other things, in some cases even if they are deprecated for their original use. There are some, (in) famous examples. probably something to do with being sued should things go awry. In the UK, suing of Doctors is surprising rare. It's not for the squeamish, but the BBC drama 'Bodies' on iPlayer explains why the suing of doctors is rare - summed up as 'doctors look after doctors, even the bad ones'. The drama doesn't show senior doctors, and hospital management, in a good light. If it isn't part of the official diagnosis/treatment algorithm, it won't get mentioned. It's left to self-help groups and the like to spread the word. Arthritis is another similar area - anecdata suggests not consuming tomatoes and potatoes can ameliorate the discomfort, but you'll never hear that in a doctor's surgery. Ah yes. I remember your advice re ignoring the Government's previous alcohol consumption limit and your advocating a not 21 units but 60+. Oddly, since then the mention of even moderate consumption sends you into a tirade. Many people have failed to notice that we now live in an era of Virtue Signalling, Political Correctness. Perception Management, Identity Politics, etc etc, and this is just as prevalent in the medical field as in the 'climate change' industry. One either believes in what gets handed out as the latest gospel, or works out why one is being fed such things and in what ways the actual facts are being manipulated. Perhaps your frequent mentions of steak, duck, goose, Calafornia wine and Bushmills whisky are related to cognitive dissonance, given the current war on booze and red meats from the great and the good. -- Spike In the Climate Change belief system, only the future is certain, but the past is constantly changing. Unite behind the science! |
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alan_m wrote:
On 22/12/2019 17:28, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: Bungalow, back end south facing. I was unhappily on the roof about 5 years ago scrapping and brushing the moss off. The tiles are very rough and are like steel. I'd read that stringing a length of copper wire over the ridge kills moss, so I did it. The moss returned on the back end of the roof, never mind and ******** to it, I'm not going up there again. Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day. Maybe the copper wire takes time to work? Has the copper wire gone green? I can no longer see it with my tired old eyes, but it is not hanging down - as far as I can see. More moss has fallen down this morning. |
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Chris Hogg wrote:
On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 09:20:20 +0000, Spike wrote: One gets the impression that the medical mind runs on rails - probably something to do with being sued should things go awry. If it isn't part of the official diagnosis/treatment algorithm, it won't get mentioned. It's left to self-help groups and the like to spread the word. Arthritis is another similar area - anecdata suggests not consuming tomatoes and potatoes can ameliorate the discomfort, but you'll never hear that in a doctor's surgery. They're both members of the Solanaceae family. Also includes peppers. All Solanaceae are said to promote inflammation - hence the reason to avoid them if you've got an inflammatory condition such as arthritis. But it seems difficult to get definitive information about it, I guess because trials to prove the point would be expensive to run, with no obvious benefit to the drug industry who would normally fund such trials. http://tinyurl.com/rmzqm2y Anyone with the cash to hire competent people and administer the trial can run one. As you say, there is no reason a drug company should spend its shareholders' money on such things, and a university department would need some reason to suppose there was a benefit. Contrary anecdata is that chilli pepper (especially Scotch Bonnet) is very good for stomach problems, respiratory viruses and illness in general and this is also a solanaceous plant. So I don't believe a word of it. There is no obvious reason why doctors should tell patients any old wives' tale that they may have come across, prove it if you want us to believe it. -- Roger Hayter |
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Spike wrote:
On 23/12/2019 09:47, Brian Reay wrote: On 23/12/2019 09:20, Spike wrote: On 22/12/2019 18:46, Jethro_uk wrote: On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 17:53:13 +0000, Andy Burns wrote: Jethro_uk wrote: when SWMBO was taking weekly injections of Avonex - a beta interferon for MS. In some people it can produce a ****ty 24-48 hours of "flu like symptoms", and it did in SWMBO. However, buried in a magazine was a tip that eating*fresh* pineapple before the injection would greatly reduce this. SWMBO tried it, and it eliminated these effects. Being of a scientific bent, she experimented and confirmed that eating pineapple prevented side effects. Not eating it and they developed. Does pineapple have an undesirable interaction with the drug, the same way that grapefruit can? Well it's not contra indicated, and SWMBO didn't seem to suffer for 10 years but that's anecdata, not research. The more interesting thing is despite telling her consultant back in 2004, in 2014, not a single patient had been advised by the consultant - despite at least 10 SWMBO was in regular contact with trying it and mentioning to the same consultant how effective it seemed. Even now, with t'internet, it seems to be a just a piece of folklore - but SWMBO has mentioned in on MS newsgroups, and people are still finding it effective. Except for the ones who use tinned pineapple and then say "it doesn't work". But there really is no helping some people. One gets the impression that the medical mind runs on rails - If you speak to doctors- and I mean those who have been around some time and across a range of areas- you will learn that is far from the case. True, there are some 'standard' approaches, which experience has shown tend to work. It makes sense, when confronted with a patient who presents the appropriate symptoms and/or gives the right details etc those first- and it may require a few tries, especially of drug 'mixes'. However, if the standard approaches don't work, the medics go 'off piste' and do try other mixes or things. It is amazing, for example, how many drugs originally developed for one purpose are used 'off label' for other things, in some cases even if they are deprecated for their original use. There are some, (in) famous examples. probably something to do with being sued should things go awry. In the UK, suing of Doctors is surprising rare. It's not for the squeamish, but the BBC drama 'Bodies' on iPlayer explains why the suing of doctors is rare - summed up as 'doctors look after doctors, even the bad ones'. The drama doesn't show senior doctors, and hospital management, in a good light. The clue here is in the word "drama". If you have any kind of case (or indeed if you haven't) it is always possible to find a medical expert who will condemn the offending doctor. One possible reason for failure in court is that the doctor did nothing wrong, despite the litigant's convictions. d If it isn't part of the official diagnosis/treatment algorithm, it won't get mentioned. It's left to self-help groups and the like to spread the word. Arthritis is another similar area - anecdata suggests not consuming tomatoes and potatoes can ameliorate the discomfort, but you'll never hear that in a doctor's surgery. Ah yes. I remember your advice re ignoring the Government's previous alcohol consumption limit and your advocating a not 21 units but 60+. Oddly, since then the mention of even moderate consumption sends you into a tirade. Many people have failed to notice that we now live in an era of Virtue Signalling, Political Correctness. Perception Management, Identity Politics, etc etc, and this is just as prevalent in the medical field as in the 'climate change' industry. One either believes in what gets handed out as the latest gospel, or works out why one is being fed such things and in what ways the actual facts are being manipulated. Perhaps your frequent mentions of steak, duck, goose, Calafornia wine and Bushmills whisky are related to cognitive dissonance, given the current war on booze and red meats from the great and the good. Fashion has actually swung back in favour of red meat recently, I gather. -- Roger Hayter |
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On 22/12/2019 21:10, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Fredxx wrote: On 22/12/2019 19:34:30, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: Caecilius wrote: On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 17:28:28 -0000, "Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote: Bungalow, back end south facing. I was unhappily on the roof about 5 years ago scrapping and brushing the moss off. The tiles are very rough and are like steel. I'd read that stringing a length of copper wire over the ridge kills moss, so I did it. The moss returned on the back end of the roof, never mind and ******** to it, I'm not going up there again. Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day. Maybe the copper wire takes time to work? The best thing I've found for killing moss is benzalkonium chloride. It's the active ingrident in most patio and decking treatments, but is available much more cheaply as "BAC 50". I buy 5 litres each year, which is enough to treat my drive at patio. I've not tried it on my roof yet though. No moss on the drive. I'm too bloody old to climb back on that roof again. A decent spray might get far enough Maybe next year if I'm still around. I would have thought the sun would have killed the moss. The north facing roof is fine. Odd, it's our north-facing roofs that have the moss. |
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"Brian Reay" wrote in message ... On 23/12/2019 09:20, Spike wrote: On 22/12/2019 18:46, Jethro_uk wrote: On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 17:53:13 +0000, Andy Burns wrote: Jethro_uk wrote: when SWMBO was taking weekly injections of Avonex - a beta interferon for MS. In some people it can produce a ****ty 24-48 hours of "flu like symptoms", and it did in SWMBO. However, buried in a magazine was a tip that eating*fresh* pineapple before the injection would greatly reduce this. SWMBO tried it, and it eliminated these effects. Being of a scientific bent, she experimented and confirmed that eating pineapple prevented side effects. Not eating it and they developed. Does pineapple have an undesirable interaction with the drug, the same way that grapefruit can? Well it's not contra indicated, and SWMBO didn't seem to suffer for 10 years but that's anecdata, not research. The more interesting thing is despite telling her consultant back in 2004, in 2014, not a single patient had been advised by the consultant - despite at least 10 SWMBO was in regular contact with trying it and mentioning to the same consultant how effective it seemed. Even now, with t'internet, it seems to be a just a piece of folklore - but SWMBO has mentioned in on MS newsgroups, and people are still finding it effective. Except for the ones who use tinned pineapple and then say "it doesn't work". But there really is no helping some people. One gets the impression that the medical mind runs on rails - If you speak to doctors- and I mean those who have been around some time and across a range of areas- you will learn that is far from the case. True, there are some 'standard' approaches, which experience has shown tend to work. It makes sense, when confronted with a patient who presents the appropriate symptoms and/or gives the right details etc those first- and it may require a few tries, especially of drug 'mixes'. However, if the standard approaches don't work, the medics go 'off piste' and do try other mixes or things. And some are stupid enough to ignore the evidence. One GP decided that I had pancreatitis even tho there is a very specific test for that that I had failed. Turned out to actually be gallstones. My gallstones must have had some unusual symptoms because it took a number of doctors including the hospital A&E to work out that that is what the problem was. An ultrasound eventually proved that that is what the problem was. It is amazing, for example, how many drugs originally developed for one purpose are used 'off label' for other things, in some cases even if they are deprecated for their original use. There are some, (in) famous examples. Yeah, mostly be someone noticing that it does help with some patients that also have that other medical problem. probably something to do with being sued should things go awry. In the UK, suing of Doctors is surprising rare. I know someone who worked (briefly) for a company dealing in malpractice insurance for Doctors who do private work. Only those in 'cosmetic surgery' are considered a serious risk in terms of insurance. If it isn't part of the official diagnosis/treatment algorithm, it won't get mentioned. It's left to self-help groups and the like to spread the word. Arthritis is another similar area - anecdata suggests not consuming tomatoes and potatoes can ameliorate the discomfort, but you'll never hear that in a doctor's surgery. Ah yes. I remember your advice re ignoring the Government's previous alcohol consumption limit and your advocating a not 21 units but 60+. Oddly, since then the mention of even moderate consumption sends you into a tirade. |
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On Tue, 24 Dec 2019 01:28:09 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH senile asshole's latest troll**** 01:28 in Australia? And you've been up and trolling for over HALF AN HOUR already, yet AGAIN! Just HOW clinically insane are you, you senile pest? -- Bill Wright to Rot Speed: "That confirms my opinion that you are a despicable little ****." MID: |
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On 23/12/2019 13:20, Roger Hayter wrote:
Spike wrote: It's not for the squeamish, but the BBC drama 'Bodies' on iPlayer explains why the suing of doctors is rare - summed up as 'doctors look after doctors, even the bad ones'. The drama doesn't show senior doctors, and hospital management, in a good light. The clue here is in the word "drama". If you have any kind of case (or indeed if you haven't) it is always possible to find a medical expert who will condemn the offending doctor. One possible reason for failure in court is that the doctor did nothing wrong, despite the litigant's convictions. The clue here is in the words 'did nothing wrong', as other doctors, knowing that at some time they could well be in the same position, come out on the side of their colleague. If it isn't part of the official diagnosis/treatment algorithm, it won't get mentioned. It's left to self-help groups and the like to spread the word. Arthritis is another similar area - anecdata suggests not consuming tomatoes and potatoes can ameliorate the discomfort, but you'll never hear that in a doctor's surgery. Ah yes. I remember your advice re ignoring the Government's previous alcohol consumption limit and your advocating a not 21 units but 60+. Oddly, since then the mention of even moderate consumption sends you into a tirade. Many people have failed to notice that we now live in an era of Virtue Signalling, Political Correctness. Perception Management, Identity Politics, etc etc, and this is just as prevalent in the medical field as in the 'climate change' industry. One either believes in what gets handed out as the latest gospel, or works out why one is being fed such things and in what ways the actual facts are being manipulated. Perhaps your frequent mentions of steak, duck, goose, Calafornia wine and Bushmills whisky are related to cognitive dissonance, given the current war on booze and red meats from the great and the good. Fashion has actually swung back in favour of red meat recently, I gather. I expect XR very soon will be organising a protest about that, probably over a steak-and-wine dinner... -- Spike |
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On 23/12/2019 13:20, Roger Hayter wrote:
Chris Hogg wrote: All Solanaceae are said to promote inflammation - hence the reason to avoid them if you've got an inflammatory condition such as arthritis. But it seems difficult to get definitive information about it, I guess because trials to prove the point would be expensive to run, with no obvious benefit to the drug industry who would normally fund such trials. http://tinyurl.com/rmzqm2y Contrary anecdata is that chilli pepper (especially Scotch Bonnet) is very good for stomach problems, respiratory viruses and illness in general and this is also a solanaceous plant. I thought we were talking about a specific condition rather than hand-waving 'illness in general' So I don't believe a word of it. Until your joints start playing up. There is no obvious reason why doctors should tell patients any old wives' tale that they may have come across, prove it if you want us to believe it. One can see why people stay away from doctors. -- Spike |
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On 22/12/2019 19:29, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day Round here it's the crows and rooks that dislodge the moss while pecking to find insects of some sort. This is the first year that this has been happening. Scrap bits of lead flashing bent around the copper wire at intervals might have had more effect at detering moss. I use a long extending decorators pole with a garden hoe connected to end, so I can stand at the top of the ladder at eaves height and reach most of the roof. The moss seems to have grown with a vengeance that last couple of years. The 2018 drought didn't semm to banish it all. A south-facing roof should be less badly affected by moss because it gets the sun, surely ?. |
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On 22/12/2019 21:10, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Fredxx wrote: On 22/12/2019 19:34:30, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: Caecilius wrote: On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 17:28:28 -0000, "Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote: Bungalow, back end south facing. I was unhappily on the roof about 5 years ago scrapping and brushing the moss off. The tiles are very rough and are like steel. I'd read that stringing a length of copper wire over the ridge kills moss, so I did it. The moss returned on the back end of the roof, never mind and ******** to it, I'm not going up there again. Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day. Maybe the copper wire takes time to work? The best thing I've found for killing moss is benzalkonium chloride. It's the active ingrident in most patio and decking treatments, but is available much more cheaply as "BAC 50". I buy 5 litres each year, which is enough to treat my drive at patio. I've not tried it on my roof yet though. No moss on the drive. I'm too bloody old to climb back on that roof again. A decent spray might get far enough Maybe next year if I'm still around. I would have thought the sun would have killed the moss. The north facing roof is fine. That's odd. Are you in the Southern hemisphere ?. |
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On 23/12/2019 05:10, alan_m wrote:
On 22/12/2019 17:28, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: Bungalow, back end south facing. I was unhappily on the roof about 5 years ago scrapping and brushing the moss off. The tiles are very rough and are like steel. I'd read that stringing a length of copper wire over the ridge kills moss, so I did it. The moss returned on the back end of the roof, never mind and ******** to it, I'm not going up there again. Since Autumn chunks of moss have been falling down almost every day. Maybe the copper wire takes time to work? Has the copper wire gone green? That takes ages, and without coal fires maybe never. The new swimming pool in Worthing is clad with copper (it's right on the seafront). Started off nice shiny copper but went dark, dull brown after a couple of months and that is how it has stayed. |
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Spike wrote
Roger Hayter wrote Spike wrote It's not for the squeamish, but the BBC drama 'Bodies' on iPlayer explains why the suing of doctors is rare - summed up as 'doctors look after doctors, even the bad ones'. The drama doesn't show senior doctors, and hospital management, in a good light. The clue here is in the word "drama". If you have any kind of case (or indeed if you haven't) it is always possible to find a medical expert who will condemn the offending doctor. One possible reason for failure in court is that the doctor did nothing wrong, despite the litigant's convictions. The clue here is in the words 'did nothing wrong', as other doctors, knowing that at some time they could well be in the same position, come out on the side of their colleague. It isnt what happened here in real life when this one had killed a number of his patients. Turned out he had already been struck off back in the USA and our system was too incompetent to work that out and allowed him to work here until eventually the other doctors did make it clear how bad he was. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayant_Patel You lot have had other examples of doctors no longer allowed to practice, almost entirely due to the evidence of other doctors. |
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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH senile asshole's troll**** 05:54??? And you've been up and trolling since 00:54, i.e. for FIVE HOURS!!!!!! All night long! Yet AGAIN! Bruahahahahahahaaa!!!! -- Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 85-year-old trolling senile cretin from Oz: https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/ |
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Spike wrote:
On 23/12/2019 13:20, Roger Hayter wrote: Chris Hogg wrote: All Solanaceae are said to promote inflammation - hence the reason to avoid them if you've got an inflammatory condition such as arthritis. But it seems difficult to get definitive information about it, I guess because trials to prove the point would be expensive to run, with no obvious benefit to the drug industry who would normally fund such trials. http://tinyurl.com/rmzqm2y Contrary anecdata is that chilli pepper (especially Scotch Bonnet) is very good for stomach problems, respiratory viruses and illness in general and this is also a solanaceous plant. I thought we were talking about a specific condition rather than hand-waving 'illness in general' I suspect osteoarthritis is probably the final common pathway of a number of different conditions. So I don't believe a word of it. Until your joints start playing up. There is no obvious reason why doctors should tell patients any old wives' tale that they may have come across, prove it if you want us to believe it. One can see why people stay away from doctors. Very wise. And I can assure you doctors are generally grateful to most people who stay away from them. (With the odd exception of people who really ought not to have stayed away.) -- Roger Hayter |
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