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I gave a scathing report to his tutor.
So the little ******* told his Dad that I had given him a bad report and his Dad called me to find out why. There was no shouting, swearing or making threats. In fact it was quite a polite conversation until I said to his Dad "If your son spent as much time taking an interest in electrics as he spent smoking he might learn something". His Dad went ballistic but not at me. -- Adam |
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On 20/12/2019 18:00, ARW wrote:
I gave a scathing report to his tutor. So the little ******* told his Dad that I had given him a bad report and Very likely the lad kept quiet, but the dad got to hear of it, anyway. Dad's stuck with the kid, even more than you are, and just trying to find out what needs sorting. |
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On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 18:00:47 +0000, ARW
wrote: I gave a scathing report to his tutor. So the little ******* told his Dad that I had given him a bad report and his Dad called me to find out why. There was no shouting, swearing or making threats. In fact it was quite a polite conversation until I said to his Dad "If your son spent as much time taking an interest in electrics as he spent smoking he might learn something". His Dad went ballistic but not at me. So. You enjoy being a bully. Get a life. I think you are supposed to be helping him, Yes? -- Little Britain leaves. Great Britain stays. |
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On 20/12/2019 18:31, Mark wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 18:00:47 +0000, ARW wrote: I gave a scathing report to his tutor. So the little ******* told his Dad that I had given him a bad report and his Dad called me to find out why. There was no shouting, swearing or making threats. In fact it was quite a polite conversation until I said to his Dad "If your son spent as much time taking an interest in electrics as he spent smoking he might learn something". His Dad went ballistic but not at me. So. You enjoy being a bully. Get a life. I think you are supposed to be helping him, Yes? I have helped him. You just have not realised it. -- Adam |
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On 20/12/2019 18:34, ARW wrote:
On 20/12/2019 18:31, Mark wrote: On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 18:00:47 +0000, ARW wrote: I gave a scathing report to his tutor. So the little ******* told his Dad that I had given him a bad report and his Dad called me to find out why. There was no shouting, swearing or making threats. In fact it was quite a polite conversation until I said to his Dad "If your son spent as much time taking an interest in electrics as he spent smoking he might learn something". His Dad went ballistic but not at me. So.Â* You enjoy being a bully. Get a life. I think you are supposed to be helping him, Yes? I have helped him. You just have not realised it. ha ha love straight talking....so non PC these days....you mustn't hurt little Timmy's feelings...tee hee |
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Mark wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 18:00:47 +0000, ARW wrote: I gave a scathing report to his tutor. So the little ******* told his Dad that I had given him a bad report and his Dad called me to find out why. There was no shouting, swearing or making threats. In fact it was quite a polite conversation until I said to his Dad "If your son spent as much time taking an interest in electrics as he spent smoking he might learn something". His Dad went ballistic but not at me. So. You enjoy being a bully. Get a life. I think you are supposed to be helping him, Yes? When I was an apprentice I was with a heating engineer. He was the best on the company, ex Royal Navy and was quite a hard trainer. I got the reputation of being the best apprentice on the company. His training was worth it, not just for then, but for later life. He must be long gone now .... |
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On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 18:34:49 +0000, ARW
wrote: On 20/12/2019 18:31, Mark wrote: On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 18:00:47 +0000, ARW wrote: I gave a scathing report to his tutor. So the little ******* told his Dad that I had given him a bad report and his Dad called me to find out why. There was no shouting, swearing or making threats. In fact it was quite a polite conversation until I said to his Dad "If your son spent as much time taking an interest in electrics as he spent smoking he might learn something". His Dad went ballistic but not at me. So. You enjoy being a bully. Get a life. I think you are supposed to be helping him, Yes? I have helped him. You just have not realised it. I'm glad. Your earlier post was easy to interpret otherwise. -- Little Britain leaves. Great Britain stays. |
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Some years ago I needed an extra pair of hands on a job in Grimsby. Phoned the office and was told by the staff controller they only had young S... who wasn't much use according to the other engineers. I took him anyway. I found him to be willing and did things exactly as I told him. We completed the job and he turned to me to say he'd enjoyed working with someone who told and showed him how to do a job properly. Whether he'd been treated like an idiot by the others or he'd grown up by the time he came to me I don't know but I made sure he went back with a good report. I left the company shortly after but I heard he had become a useful lad.
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"Mark" wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 18:00:47 +0000, ARW wrote: I gave a scathing report to his tutor. So the little ******* told his Dad that I had given him a bad report and his Dad called me to find out why. There was no shouting, swearing or making threats. In fact it was quite a polite conversation until I said to his Dad "If your son spent as much time taking an interest in electrics as he spent smoking he might learn something". His Dad went ballistic but not at me. So. You enjoy being a bully. Get a life. I think you are supposed to be helping him, Yes? He is helping him if his dad's boot up the arse sees him get his act into gear. |
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I don't think much seems to have changed since the 60s then. A lot of the
intake of apprentices at the company I worked for seemed to think the day release was fun but the actual working week was for exchanging girlie magazines smoking in the toilets and being ill after the night before which consisted of getting a skinful of alcohol then getting their leg over and waking up in the morning feeling like their head was about to explode. If that was living, than it was not for me! Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "ARW" wrote in message ... I gave a scathing report to his tutor. So the little ******* told his Dad that I had given him a bad report and his Dad called me to find out why. There was no shouting, swearing or making threats. In fact it was quite a polite conversation until I said to his Dad "If your son spent as much time taking an interest in electrics as he spent smoking he might learn something". His Dad went ballistic but not at me. -- Adam |
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Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote
I think one tends to get very cynical when you encounter the problems over and over. I also think that for many when young you always push the boundaries in some form or another Yes., we evolved like that. and hence the only issue is, as we all did it, Not everyone does. do we just say, well, I was a little wild when I was their age, or do you do what was done to you and get on their case. The jury is out, Not really. but I think a bit of a compromise is what ended up happening. We of course all think we know it all and are king of the hill at those ages. Yep, we evolved like that. Two of us at that age were left unsupervised after being shown what to do, camping out for months by ourselves doing quite complicated scientific research and did that fine. "Mark" wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 18:00:47 +0000, ARW wrote: I gave a scathing report to his tutor. So the little ******* told his Dad that I had given him a bad report and his Dad called me to find out why. There was no shouting, swearing or making threats. In fact it was quite a polite conversation until I said to his Dad "If your son spent as much time taking an interest in electrics as he spent smoking he might learn something". His Dad went ballistic but not at me. So. You enjoy being a bully. Get a life. I think you are supposed to be helping him, Yes? -- Little Britain leaves. Great Britain stays. |
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On Friday, 20 December 2019 18:00:50 UTC, ARW wrote:
I gave a scathing report to his tutor. So the little ******* told his Dad that I had given him a bad report and his Dad called me to find out why. There was no shouting, swearing or making threats. In fact it was quite a polite conversation until I said to his Dad "If your son spent as much time taking an interest in electrics as he spent smoking he might learn something". His Dad went ballistic but not at me. Things are not helped by most of the schools these days not teaching a craft skill. (Woodwork/Metalwork etc.) Must come as a shock having to use tools as an apprentice. They don't even seem to do domestic science these days. |
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On 20/12/2019 18:49, Mark wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 18:34:49 +0000, ARW wrote: On 20/12/2019 18:31, Mark wrote: On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 18:00:47 +0000, ARW wrote: I gave a scathing report to his tutor. So the little ******* told his Dad that I had given him a bad report and his Dad called me to find out why. There was no shouting, swearing or making threats. In fact it was quite a polite conversation until I said to his Dad "If your son spent as much time taking an interest in electrics as he spent smoking he might learn something". His Dad went ballistic but not at me. So. You enjoy being a bully. Get a life. I think you are supposed to be helping him, Yes? I have helped him. You just have not realised it. I'm glad. Your earlier post was easy to interpret otherwise. Perhaps you are one of those pricks who don't live in the real world? |
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In message , "Brian Gaff (Sofa 2)"
writes I don't think much seems to have changed since the 60s then. A lot of the intake of apprentices at the company I worked for seemed to think the day release was fun but the actual working week was for exchanging girlie magazines smoking in the toilets and being ill after the night before which consisted of getting a skinful of alcohol then getting their leg over and waking up in the morning feeling like their head was about to explode. If that was living, than it was not for me! I must have been lucky. I was taken on as a technical apprentice with a mixed (craft-student) intake of about 20. One was from a Plymouth Brethren family and terminated after 6 weeks. The rest spent 6 weeks training in the apprentice school before being let loose on the factory floor. Day release at the local further education centre morphed into block release at what is now the University of Hertfordshire. Factory shop floor time was 6 weeks in different depts. I spent some time making up lengths of flexible cable needed for contactors being sold to the Admiralty:-) After 2 years I was placed in the Electronics dept. which was changing over from Mullard? Norbit logic to an in house system using a germanium switching transistor. I spent the next 8 years travelling round Britain and the near continent commissioning control systems installed by others. The upside of my apprenticeship was the afterwork social side. 4 rugby teams now morphed into St. Albans Rugby Club, regular dances in the works canteen, cricket in the Summer.... I was very sad when the company was taken over by Allen West of Brighton and down sized. I ended up at Vickers shipbuilding who, very surprisingly, had a test tank facility in the town. -- Tim Lamb |
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On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 10:09:50 +0000, Tim Lamb
wrote: In message , "Brian Gaff (Sofa 2)" writes I don't think much seems to have changed since the 60s then. A lot of the intake of apprentices at the company I worked for seemed to think the day release was fun but the actual working week was for exchanging girlie magazines smoking in the toilets and being ill after the night before which consisted of getting a skinful of alcohol then getting their leg over and waking up in the morning feeling like their head was about to explode. If that was living, than it was not for me! I must have been lucky. I think I was, coming straight out of college and to The Post Office, the BT bit of the day (who sent me back to college on a day release). ;-) I was taken on as a technical apprentice with a mixed (craft-student) intake of about 20. Our was around 12 'Trainee Technicians' if I remember correctly. One was from a Plymouth Brethren family and terminated after 6 weeks. I can't remember if any of our intake dropped out or were filtered out as I wasn't really with them for long. The rest spent 6 weeks training in the apprentice school before being let loose on the factory floor. For us it was about 6 months going round each of the 'shops', learning all the trades and then deciding on which one you preferred or were good at. Given the built lots of gear there from the ground up, there were full metalwork shops, paint, plating, engraving, buffing and polishing (phone bodies and handsets) and where I went into after a whistle stop tour of all the above (a day in each), into the Datel / electronics repair 'shop'. Day release at the local further education centre morphed into block release at what is now the University of Hertfordshire. Was that 'Hatfield Poly'? When I was at college they / we used the PDP11 at HP via a teletype and a 300 baud dial-up modem. ;-) Factory shop floor time was 6 weeks in different depts. I think such approaches are brilliant. Gives one a chance to find out more about more stuff and therefore getting the 'bigger picture' and allowing you to find something that is up your street. Also, if I needed one of those services for a private I'd know where to go and who to ask. ;-) I spent some time making up lengths of flexible cable needed for contactors being sold to the Admiralty:-) During our apprenticeship in the Datel shop we had to make a wiring loom from scratch for a small manual exchange (small but still had a loom 1" in diameter at it's biggest) and that was very interesting. You see these things in equipment (like old valve radios at the time, in a smaller scale) but with no real idea how they would be made (commercially). After 2 years I was placed in the Electronics dept. I think it was a similar timescale here ... other than I was already there and working but completed my apprenticeship and became a Factory Technician. which was changing over from Mullard? Norbit logic to an in house system using a germanium switching transistor. We were doing component level repair of all sorts of kit, including having to 'patch / repair' nasty Plessy SRBP boards. GEC, STC and Marconi used fibreglass boards that rarely got damaged. I spent the next 8 years travelling round Britain and the near continent commissioning control systems installed by others. After 5 years I left BT and became a 'Field Support Tech' and so did similar for another Co. ;-) The upside of my apprenticeship For me it was being able to have some decent training and the opportunity to 'play' for 6 months before having to do real work. ;-) Apart from competing their set test pieces, we also built our own automatic 12V battery chargers, including making the PCB, folding up the ally case and paining it etc. was the afterwork social side. 4 rugby teams now morphed into St. Albans Rugby Club, regular dances in the works canteen, cricket in the Summer.... Oh, I was able to buy some surplus materials and tools very cheap (and built my first pair of disco speakers from two 3/4" ply ex-wiring loom boards. ;-) I was very sad when the company was taken over by Allen West of Brighton and down sized. I have been there a couple of times and whilst it can sometimes be for the better, it often isn't. Even if the money / conditions improve, sometime a change in the way of doing things (not always better) can be a pita. I ended up at Vickers shipbuilding who, very surprisingly, had a test tank facility in the town. Didn't they mostly make military / RN stuff? Cheers, T i m |
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Many skilled craftsmen delight in baffling apprentices and then criticising them for not being able to do things that were relevant "in their day". Remember videos of teenagers not being able to use a dial phone (why should they) - or not knowing how to fit a 13 amp plug. What was once a necessary part of one's upbringing has now changed. |
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In article 6,
John wrote: Many skilled craftsmen delight in baffling apprentices and then criticising them for not being able to do things that were relevant "in their day". Remember videos of teenagers not being able to use a dial phone (why should they) - or not knowing how to fit a 13 amp plug. What was once a necessary part of one's upbringing has now changed. If an apprentice could wire up a socket, surely they could work out how to wire up a plug? -- *A nest isn't empty until all their stuff is out of the attic Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 21/12/2019 13:22, John wrote:
Many skilled craftsmen delight in baffling apprentices and then criticising them for not being able to do things that were relevant "in their day". Remember videos of teenagers not being able to use a dial phone (why should they) - or not knowing how to fit a 13 amp plug. What was once a necessary part of one's upbringing has now changed. Baffle them my arse. The task the last one failed to manage was to fetch all the cordless power tools from the van vault into the flats we were working in. Is that a difficult task? -- Adam |
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On 21/12/2019 07:46, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
I think one tends to get very cynical when you encounter the problems over and over. I also think that for many when young you always push the boundaries in some form or another and hence the only issue is, as we all did it, do we just say, well, I was a little wild when I was their age, or do you do what was done to you and get on their case. The jury is out, but I think a bit of a compromise is what ended up happening. We of course all think we know it all and are king of the hill at those ages. Just an apprentice who doesn't want to be an apprentice I would have though. -- Max Demian |
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On 21/12/2019 13:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article 6, John wrote: Many skilled craftsmen delight in baffling apprentices and then criticising them for not being able to do things that were relevant "in their day". Remember videos of teenagers not being able to use a dial phone (why should they) - or not knowing how to fit a 13 amp plug. What was once a necessary part of one's upbringing has now changed. If an apprentice could wire up a socket, surely they could work out how to wire up a plug? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk-AtQUf66A If they could wire it up correctly would be a start. -- Adam |
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In message , T i m
writes On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 10:09:50 +0000, Tim Lamb wrote: In message , "Brian Gaff (Sofa 2)" writes I don't think much seems to have changed since the 60s then. A lot of the intake of apprentices at the company I worked for seemed to think the day release was fun but the actual working week was for exchanging girlie magazines smoking in the toilets and being ill after the night before which consisted of getting a skinful of alcohol then getting their leg over and waking up in the morning feeling like their head was about to explode. If that was living, than it was not for me! I must have been lucky. I think I was, coming straight out of college and to The Post Office, the BT bit of the day (who sent me back to college on a day release). ;-) snip I was very sad when the company was taken over by Allen West of Brighton and down sized. I have been there a couple of times and whilst it can sometimes be for the better, it often isn't. Even if the money / conditions improve, sometime a change in the way of doing things (not always better) can be a pita. I ended up at Vickers shipbuilding who, very surprisingly, had a test tank facility in the town. Didn't they mostly make military / RN stuff? Who? Allen West made motor control gear and had their own electronic manufacturing set up. EAC made a similar range and were in direct competition. All morphed into GE-Simplex last I knew. Vickers had two test tanks when I was there, St. Albans and Dumbarton on the Clyde. My involvement was radio control and telemetry of open water trials. We used the reservoirs at Chingford although one job was a stern trawler tested at Dumbarton and taken out to sea at Eyemouth. -- Tim Lamb |
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On 21/12/2019 08:51, Richard wrote:
On 20/12/2019 18:49, Mark wrote: On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 18:34:49 +0000, ARW wrote: On 20/12/2019 18:31, Mark wrote: On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 18:00:47 +0000, ARW wrote: I gave a scathing report to his tutor. So the little ******* told his Dad that I had given him a bad report and his Dad called me to find out why. There was no shouting, swearing or making threats. In fact it was quite a polite conversation until I said to his Dad "If your son spent as much time taking an interest in electrics as he spent smoking he might learn something". His Dad went ballistic but not at me. So.Â* You enjoy being a bully. Get a life. I think you are supposed to be helping him, Yes? I have helped him. You just have not realised it. I'm glad.Â* Your earlier post was easy to interpret otherwise. Perhaps you are one of those pricks who don't live in the real world? Usually called a ****;-) -- Adam |
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On 20/12/2019 18:31, Mark wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 18:00:47 +0000, ARW wrote: I gave a scathing report to his tutor. So the little ******* told his Dad that I had given him a bad report and his Dad called me to find out why. There was no shouting, swearing or making threats. In fact it was quite a polite conversation until I said to his Dad "If your son spent as much time taking an interest in electrics as he spent smoking he might learn something". His Dad went ballistic but not at me. So. You enjoy being a bully. Get a life. How is reporting the truth being a bully? I think you are supposed to be helping him, Yes? I suspect he helped him either get an attitude adjustment, or find a career he is better suited to. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 21/12/2019 08:46, harry wrote:
On Friday, 20 December 2019 18:00:50 UTC, ARW wrote: I gave a scathing report to his tutor. So the little ******* told his Dad that I had given him a bad report and his Dad called me to find out why. There was no shouting, swearing or making threats. In fact it was quite a polite conversation until I said to his Dad "If your son spent as much time taking an interest in electrics as he spent smoking he might learn something". His Dad went ballistic but not at me. Things are not helped by most of the schools these days not teaching a craft skill. (Woodwork/Metalwork etc.) Must come as a shock having to use tools as an apprentice. They don't even seem to do domestic science these days. That's why I like the Polish workers. -- Adam |
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"Max Demian" wrote in message o.uk... On 21/12/2019 07:46, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote: I think one tends to get very cynical when you encounter the problems over and over. I also think that for many when young you always push the boundaries in some form or another and hence the only issue is, as we all did it, do we just say, well, I was a little wild when I was their age, or do you do what was done to you and get on their case. The jury is out, but I think a bit of a compromise is what ended up happening. We of course all think we know it all and are king of the hill at those ages. Just an apprentice who doesn't want to be an apprentice I would have though. It isnt always that black and white and sure, there will always be some who would rather put their hand out to the state for benefits instead of getting a decent trade so they dont have to. |
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On Saturday, 21 December 2019 13:59:51 UTC, ARW wrote:
Baffle them my arse. You think apprentices are bad, you should try local council management. Owain |
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On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 15:13:41 +0000, Tim Lamb
wrote: snip I ended up at Vickers shipbuilding who, very surprisingly, had a test tank facility in the town. Didn't they mostly make military / RN stuff? Who? "Vickers Shipbuilding" Allen West made motor control gear and had their own electronic manufacturing set up. EAC made a similar range and were in direct competition. All morphed into GE-Simplex last I knew. Vickers had two test tanks when I was there, St. Albans and Dumbarton on the Clyde. I love seeing them (and the hulls they are testing) running in them. It's a similar think but with the water moving and the test object still (an electric outboard in this case) that I intend to make with that water tank you gave me. ;-) It seems that solution would be more like a wind tunnel than the typical 'linear' water test tank that can only be run in short bursts? Like this one: https://www.bluebird-electric.net/oceanography/Ocean_Plastic_International_Rescue/Ocean_Rescue_International_Pictures/Recirculating_Mode_Water_Basin_Ship_Testing_Tank.g if https://www.bluebird-electric.net/oceanography/Ocean_Plastic_International_Rescue/Water_Tank_Testing_Facilities_SeaVax_Bluebird_Mari ne_Systems.htm This would be nice but won't fit in my back garden: ;-( http://www4.edesign.co.uk/portfolio/...ask-basin-usa/ My involvement was radio control and telemetry of open water trials. That sounded like fun. We used the reservoirs at Chingford although one job was a stern trawler tested at Dumbarton and taken out to sea at Eyemouth. I've sailed on the King George reservoir although I prefer cruising to sailing round in circles (or rectangles even). ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "Max Demian" wrote in message o.uk... On 21/12/2019 07:46, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote: I think one tends to get very cynical when you encounter the problems over and over. I also think that for many when young you always push the boundaries in some form or another and hence the only issue is, as we all did it, do we just say, well, I was a little wild when I was their age, or do you do what was done to you and get on their case. The jury is out, but I think a bit of a compromise is what ended up happening. We of course all think we know it all and are king of the hill at those ages. Just an apprentice who doesn't want to be an apprentice I would have though. It isnt always that black and white and sure, there will always be some who would rather put their hand out to the state for benefits instead of getting a decent trade so they dont have to. the rules in the UK have changed Basically you can still leave school at 16, if you have an apprenticeship to go to, otherwise you stay in education until 18. there is no "signing on" alternative to an apprenticeship trim |
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On 21/12/2019 08:46, harry wrote:
On Friday, 20 December 2019 18:00:50 UTC, ARW wrote: I gave a scathing report to his tutor. So the little ******* told his Dad that I had given him a bad report and his Dad called me to find out why. There was no shouting, swearing or making threats. In fact it was quite a polite conversation until I said to his Dad "If your son spent as much time taking an interest in electrics as he spent smoking he might learn something". His Dad went ballistic but not at me. Things are not helped by most of the schools these days not teaching a craft skill. (Woodwork/Metalwork etc.) They do, but they now have trendy names like "Design Technology - Resistant Materials"[1], "Metal tech", "Art Craft & Design" etc [1] Which is Wood, metal, and plastics with a lump of CAD/CAM and IT related stuff. Must come as a shock having to use tools as an apprentice. They don't even seem to do domestic science these days. Food tech or Food Preparation and Nutrition seem fairly widely available. (needless to say they are all GCSE options, so can be avoided if desired by the students). -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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"tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "Max Demian" wrote in message o.uk... On 21/12/2019 07:46, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote: I think one tends to get very cynical when you encounter the problems over and over. I also think that for many when young you always push the boundaries in some form or another and hence the only issue is, as we all did it, do we just say, well, I was a little wild when I was their age, or do you do what was done to you and get on their case. The jury is out, but I think a bit of a compromise is what ended up happening. We of course all think we know it all and are king of the hill at those ages. Just an apprentice who doesn't want to be an apprentice I would have though. It isnt always that black and white and sure, there will always be some who would rather put their hand out to the state for benefits instead of getting a decent trade so they dont have to. the rules in the UK have changed Basically you can still leave school at 16, if you have an apprenticeship to go to, otherwise you stay in education until 18. But its still possible to leave at 16, continue to bludge off the parents as you have been doing up till then, and then at 18 put your hand out to the state then. there is no "signing on" alternative to an apprenticeship Doesnt need to be. |
I am a complete bastard to those apprentices
On 22/12/2019 12:58, tim... wrote:
"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "Max Demian" wrote in message Just an apprentice who doesn't want to be an apprentice I would have thought. It isn't always that black and white and sure, there will always be some who would rather put their hand out to the state for benefits instead of getting a decent trade so they dont have to. the rules in the UK have changed Basically you can still leave school at 16, if you have an apprenticeship to go to, otherwise you stay in education until 18. there is no "signing on" alternative to an apprenticeship And you can't even start full time work (in England). That's stupid. There must be plenty of teenagers who would like to work rather than do a bogus (and unnecessary) apprenticeship for a job that anyone can do. -- Max Demian |
UNBELIEVABLE: It's 04:42 am in Australia and the Senile Ozzietard is out of Bed and TROLLING, already!!!! LOL
On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 04:42:09 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH troll**** 04:42??? AGAIN? LOL One gets the impression that you REALLY got nothing in your senile life other than your idiotic trolling on Usenet! LOL -- Marland answering senile Rodent's statement, "I don't leak": "That¢s because so much **** and ****e emanates from your gob that there is nothing left to exit normally, your arsehole has clammed shut through disuse and the end of prick is only clear because you are such a ******." Message-ID: |
I am a complete bastard to those apprentices
"Max Demian" wrote in message o.uk... On 22/12/2019 12:58, tim... wrote: "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "Max Demian" wrote in message Just an apprentice who doesn't want to be an apprentice I would have thought. It isn't always that black and white and sure, there will always be some who would rather put their hand out to the state for benefits instead of getting a decent trade so they dont have to. the rules in the UK have changed Basically you can still leave school at 16, if you have an apprenticeship to go to, otherwise you stay in education until 18. there is no "signing on" alternative to an apprenticeship And you can't even start full time work (in England). That's stupid. There must be plenty of teenagers who would like to work rather than do a bogus (and unnecessary) apprenticeship for a job that anyone can do. agreed they should stop apprenticeships for jobs that don't require extensive training I believe that have gone some way towards this tim -- Max Demian |
I am a complete bastard to those apprentices
On Sunday, 22 December 2019 20:22:51 UTC, tim... wrote:
they should stop apprenticeships for jobs that don't require extensive training But they can pay apprentices a special lower minimum wage ... Owain |
I am a complete bastard to those apprentices
wrote in message ... On Sunday, 22 December 2019 20:22:51 UTC, tim... wrote: they should stop apprenticeships for jobs that don't require extensive training But they can pay apprentices a special lower minimum wage ... you surprise me Not! tim |
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