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I wonder if Labour will demand a second General Election, because so
many voted for the wrong party yesterday? |
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 09:46:24 GMT, Harry Bloomfield, Esq.
wrote: I wonder if Labour will demand a second General Election, because so many voted for the wrong party yesterday? Why would they? Why do people think they can conflate the 'binary once-in-a-lifetime', *******ised 'advisory' EU referendum with (what should have been) a routine General Election with several party choices? If we don't vote for what could have actually been the best party for the country / 'most people' in a GE then the chances are we can reverse certain aspects of that by public opinion / protest and we know we can change it completely in 5 years or less. Once out of the EU (and so far we seem to be doing that for no 'good reason') it will be very difficult / impossible to reverse that *ever*. So, going ahead with something that only *just* over half of those who were able to vote on it wanted 'just because', seems illogical at best and very dangerous at worst. "(52% of those who replied said): No, we don't need any Acrow props on that ceiling (yet can't justify why we think you don't), let's just get that wall down / done"" The problem is, it's not just the 52% that are in the building, we all are. Nothing has 'Just got done', it's just starting to get started and will take ages ... and for what (ITRW)? Cheers, T i m |
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Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote:
I wonder if Labour will demand a second General Election, because so many voted for the wrong party yesterday? The puppet master was on the TV last night claiming BREXIT had overshadowed the real issues and his cronies gradually got on message as the scale of Labours defeat was confirmed so dont be so sure they wont try to at least claim there are grounds for another vote. The funniest thing was hearing John MacD claim Labour was centre left. |
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On 13/12/2019 09:46, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
I wonder if Labour will demand a second General Election, because so many voted for the wrong party yesterday? Nigel has gone very quiet. Andrew Neils prediction of French Accent Nul Points /French Accent seems to have been spot on (I haven't checked for sure yet). To get over the winning line by evicting the beast of Bolsover must be the cherry on the cake though. That's the 2019 POrtillo moment. Who are BBC going to emphasize (by turning their HOC microphone up to maximum) now, as they shuffle out to listen to Her Maj ? |
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On 13/12/2019 09:46, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
I wonder if Labour will demand a second General Election, because so many voted for the wrong party yesterday? What happened to the only true remain party, the LIb-Dems? I had election leaflets shoved through my letterbox proclaiming that they were winning! At least 320 seats they claimed to be winning down to 11 in a day is a bigger loss than that for Labour. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On Friday, 13 December 2019 10:36:26 UTC, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 09:46:24 GMT, Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote: I wonder if Labour will demand a second General Election, because so many voted for the wrong party yesterday? Why would they? Why do people think they can conflate the 'binary once-in-a-lifetime', *******ised 'advisory' EU referendum with (what should have been) a routine General Election with several party choices? If we don't vote for what could have actually been the best party for the country / 'most people' in a GE then the chances are we can reverse certain aspects of that by public opinion / protest and we know we can change it completely in 5 years or less. But how will you gauge the will of the people ? Once out of the EU (and so far we seem to be doing that for no 'good reason') other than it seems to be the will of the people. it will be very difficult / impossible to reverse that *ever*. So. So, going ahead with something that only *just* over half of those who were able to vote on it wanted 'just because', seems illogical at best and very dangerous at worst. But that's not what happend. if peole really didnlt want to leave the EU they could have voted for LD or even labour or are we saying that 11 is nearly a 1/3rd of 650 "(52% of those who replied said): No, we don't need any Acrow props on that ceiling (yet can't justify why we think you don't), let's just get that wall down / done"" And if that's what yuo are told or paid to do why go against that. The problem is, it's not just the 52% that are in the building, we all are. what if the building was on fire would yuo want another grenfell. Nothing has 'Just got done', it's just starting to get started and will take ages ... and for what (ITRW)? When a person just gets done via concenption you have no idea what the futre will bring for them, they don;t stay naked and screaming for long. Thre were many years when we we NOT in the EU, in yuor world we'd never have joined. Cheers, T i m |
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On 13/12/2019 12:22, alan_m wrote:
On 13/12/2019 09:46, Harry Bloomfield wrote: I wonder if Labour will demand a second General Election, because so many voted for the wrong party yesterday? What happened to the only true remain party, the LIb-Dems? I had election leaflets shoved through my letterbox proclaiming that they were winning!* At least 320 seats they claimed to be winning down to 11 in a day is a bigger loss than that for Labour. Hearing Swinson lost her seat was the best news of all. |
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Can I steal your acro analogy (copy it to FB) please Tom?
It just sums it up so well! |
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On 13/12/2019 09:46, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
I wonder if Labour will demand a second General Election, because so many voted for the wrong party yesterday? But if you include the 30% of those people eligible to vote but didn't, they would have voted Labour so Corbyn can claim a victory for his non-Brexit policies! There is also something very very wrong with the voting system where a SNP candidate gets the most votes and still comes first. Perhaps a pontless rant about how really scared we should be without a Lib-Dem government in power will get the public to demand a new general election next week? -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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alan_m wrote:
On 13/12/2019 09:46, Harry Bloomfield wrote: I wonder if Labour will demand a second General Election, because so many voted for the wrong party yesterday? But if you include the 30% of those people eligible to vote but didn't, they would have voted Labour so Corbyn can claim a victory for his non-Brexit policies! There is also something very very wrong with the voting system where a SNP candidate gets the most votes and still comes first. Perhaps a pontless rant about how really scared we should be without a Lib-Dem government in power will get the public to demand a new general election next week? Suppose you want new brexit vote next week as well :) |
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 09:46:24 GMT, Harry Bloomfield, Esq.
wrote: I wonder if Labour will demand a second General Election, because so many voted for the wrong party yesterday? Just supposing indyref2 did take place and Scotland voted to leave the UK, would a Westminster election be needed in the rest of the UK as this would then be a new parliament? |
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In article ,
Andrew wrote: Who are BBC going to emphasize (by turning their HOC microphone up to maximum) now, as they shuffle out to listen to Her Maj ? The BBC do not control the mics in the HoC. -- *Men are from Earth, women are from Earth. Deal with it. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Friday, 13 December 2019 15:49:47 UTC, Scott wrote:
Just supposing indyref2 did take place and Scotland voted to leave the UK, would a Westminster election be needed in the rest of the UK as this would then be a new parliament? The next Scottish Parliament election is on 6 May 2021. Although SNP won 48/59 seats at the General Election, they only got 45.0% of the vote. Conservative 25.1% and Labour 18.6%. Nicola Sturgeon says she won't pretend that every single person who voted SNP necessarily supports independence.... Scottish Secretary Alister Jack, who held Dumfries and Galloway for the Conservatives, said more people cast votes for unionist parties in Scotland than for the SNP. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50766014 Even if there is a referendum, it's only a referendum and not necessarily binding on either government. And it's UK that determines the legislation for such a reference as Scot P doesn't have the power. The UK Parliament would then have to pass legislation to devolve constitutional negotiating power to the Scottish P, which would then have to negotiate a deal or no deal "Sc-out" with the UK. We've all seen how well that process goes, especially if the UK P remains hostile to the leave, and some in Scotland would be *violently* opposed to the leave. UK P would almost certainly want an international treaty to retain UK military bases in Scotland including Trident at Faslane, and the question of Northern Ireland transport links through Scotland to the UK has to be solved. And at the last indyref, the UK promised Scotland could continue to use the UK benefits system until it developed its own. That offer might not be repeated. Owain |
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Don't be daft, the outcome was never in doubt because Corbin is so 'nice'
and not at all decisive. He is the sort of guy who, if he was shot in the leg would give the guy another chance before shooting him, in case it was an accident. The manifesto was like some kind of fairy tale and I suspect the party knew these things. However what I do think is that some kind of proportional representation is needed in this country to make the vote numbers correlate with the number of mps elected of a given view. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! Harry Bloomfield; "Esq." wrote in message ... I wonder if Labour will demand a second General Election, because so many voted for the wrong party yesterday? |
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 16:36:27 -0000, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\)"
wrote: Don't be daft, the outcome was never in doubt because Corbin is so 'nice' and not at all decisive. He is the sort of guy who, if he was shot in the leg would give the guy another chance before shooting him, in case it was an accident. The manifesto was like some kind of fairy tale and I suspect the party knew these things. However what I do think is that some kind of proportional representation is needed in this country to make the vote numbers correlate with the number of mps elected of a given view. I agree with that but how do you resolve the argument this would break the link between the constituency and its MP or as in Scotland where list MSPs are sometimes seen as second class compared with constituency MSPs. |
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In article , Scott
wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 08:36:20 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Friday, 13 December 2019 15:49:47 UTC, Scott wrote: Just supposing indyref2 did take place and Scotland voted to leave the UK, would a Westminster election be needed in the rest of the UK as this would then be a new parliament? The next Scottish Parliament election is on 6 May 2021. Although SNP won 48/59 seats at the General Election, they only got 45.0% of the vote. Conservative 25.1% and Labour 18.6%. Nicola Sturgeon says she won't pretend that every single person who voted SNP necessarily supports independence.... Scottish Secretary Alister Jack, who held Dumfries and Galloway for the Conservatives, said more people cast votes for unionist parties in Scotland than for the SNP. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50766014 Even if there is a referendum, it's only a referendum and not necessarily binding on either government. And it's UK that determines the legislation for such a reference as Scot P doesn't have the power. The UK Parliament would then have to pass legislation to devolve constitutional negotiating power to the Scottish P, which would then have to negotiate a deal or no deal "Sc-out" with the UK. We've all seen how well that process goes, especially if the UK P remains hostile to the leave, and some in Scotland would be *violently* opposed to the leave. UK P would almost certainly want an international treaty to retain UK military bases in Scotland including Trident at Faslane, and the question of Northern Ireland transport links through Scotland to the UK has to be solved. And at the last indyref, the UK promised Scotland could continue to use the UK benefits system until it developed its own. That offer might not be repeated. Not an answer that would satisfy Andrew Neil! My question was whether in the event of Scottish independence a general election would be needed for the remainder of the UK. I don't see why it should. There'd just be less members in Westminster. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
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On 13/12/2019 16:36, wrote: On Friday, 13 December 2019 15:49:47 UTC, Scott wrote: Just supposing indyref2 did take place and Scotland voted to leave the UK, would a Westminster election be needed in the rest of the UK as this would then be a new parliament? The next Scottish Parliament election is on 6 May 2021. Although SNP won 48/59 seats at the General Election, they only got 45.0% of the vote. Conservative 25.1% and Labour 18.6%. Nicola Sturgeon says she won't pretend that every single person who voted SNP necessarily supports independence.... Scottish Secretary Alister Jack, who held Dumfries and Galloway for the Conservatives, said more people cast votes for unionist parties in Scotland than for the SNP. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50766014 Even if there is a referendum, it's only a referendum and not necessarily binding on either government. And it's UK that determines the legislation for such a reference as Scot P doesn't have the power. The UK Parliament would then have to pass legislation to devolve constitutional negotiating power to the Scottish P, which would then have to negotiate a deal or no deal "Sc-out" with the UK. We've all seen how well that process goes, especially if the UK P remains hostile to the leave, and some in Scotland would be *violently* opposed to the leave. UK P would almost certainly want an international treaty to retain UK military bases in Scotland including Trident at Faslane, and the question of Northern Ireland transport links through Scotland to the UK has to be solved. Scotland would want the UK to buy all it's windpower at 4 times market price, too. And at the last indyref, the UK promised Scotland could continue to use the UK benefits system until it developed its own. That offer might not be repeated. Owain -- it should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism (or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans, about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a 'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,' a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that you live neither in Joseph Stalins Communist era, nor in the Orwellian utopia of 1984. Vaclav Klaus |
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In message , at 17:23:57 on
Fri, 13 Dec 2019, Tim Streater remarked: In article , Brian Gaff wrote: Don't be daft, the outcome was never in doubt because Corbin is so 'nice' and not at all decisive. He is the sort of guy who, if he was shot in the leg would give the guy another chance before shooting him, in case it was an accident. The manifesto was like some kind of fairy tale and I suspect the party knew these things. However what I do think is that some kind of proportional representation is needed in this country to make the vote numbers correlate with the number of mps elected of a given view. Before that we need boundary changes to even up constituency sizes. We are still running on 2005 boundaries. Remember that it used to be that boundaries were revised every 10 years or so, in line with the census. And that the proposed changes used to go through Parliament on the nod as such changes were proposed by the Boundaries Commission, a statutory independent body. The changes in the pipeline, which have been pending for about five years, were of course opposed by Jezza's lot as "unfair". They were about to be discussed in Parliament (and I didn't get the feeling there was much wriggle room for fine tuning) when TM called her snap election, and since then everything's been Brexit. -- Roland Perry |
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On 13/12/2019 15:44, FMurtz wrote:
alan_m wrote: On 13/12/2019 09:46, Harry Bloomfield wrote: I wonder if Labour will demand a second General Election, because so many voted for the wrong party yesterday? But if you include the 30% of those people eligible to vote but didn't, they would have voted Labour so Corbyn can claim a victory for his non-Brexit policies! There is also something very very wrong with the voting system where a SNP candidate gets the most votes and still comes first. Perhaps a pontless rant about how really scared we should be without a Lib-Dem government in power will get the public to demand a new general election next week? Suppose you want new brexit vote next week as well* :) It was the Lib Dems who blocked (long overdue) changes to constituency boundaries. I hope this issue is right there at the top of the list of 'things to do'. Why should Scotland with so few people have so many MPs anyway ?. Why do we need 650 of them anyway ?. |
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On 13/12/2019 15:49, Scott wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 09:46:24 GMT, Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote: I wonder if Labour will demand a second General Election, because so many voted for the wrong party yesterday? Just supposing indyref2 did take place and Scotland voted to leave the UK, would a Westminster election be needed in the rest of the UK as this would then be a new parliament? Shetland might decide to go it alone if Scotland left. They have ALL the oil :-). |
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In message , at 18:19:35 on Fri, 13 Dec
2019, Andrew remarked: On 13/12/2019 15:44, FMurtz wrote: alan_m wrote: On 13/12/2019 09:46, Harry Bloomfield wrote: I wonder if Labour will demand a second General Election, because so many voted for the wrong party yesterday? But if you include the 30% of those people eligible to vote but didn't, they would have voted Labour so Corbyn can claim a victory for his non-Brexit policies! There is also something very very wrong with the voting system where a SNP candidate gets the most votes and still comes first. Perhaps a pontless rant about how really scared we should be without a Lib-Dem government in power will get the public to demand a new general election next week? Suppose you want new brexit vote next week as well* :) It was the Lib Dems who blocked (long overdue) changes to constituency boundaries. I hope this issue is right there at the top of the list of 'things to do'. Why should Scotland with so few people have so many MPs anyway ?. Why do we need 650 of them anyway ?. Part of the reason for both, is so that they are reasonably 'local' in rural areas. Part of the problem with MEPs, amplified by the PR method of election, is they have the appearance of being rather remote, compared to someone you might bump into in the supermarket (which I did a few years ago with my then MP Ken Clarke). But anyway, the proposal was to reduce it to 600, with Wales being the main loser in terms of percentage cut. -- Roland Perry |
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 14:37:53 +0000, Brian Reay wrote:
On 13/12/2019 12:22, alan_m wrote: On 13/12/2019 09:46, Harry Bloomfield wrote: I wonder if Labour will demand a second General Election, because so many voted for the wrong party yesterday? What happened to the only true remain party, the LIb-Dems? I had election leaflets shoved through my letterbox proclaiming that they were winning!* At least 320 seats they claimed to be winning down to 11 in a day is a bigger loss than that for Labour. Hearing Swinson lost her seat was the best news of all. No. -- Little Britain leaves. Great Britain stays. |
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 18:20:47 +0000, Andrew
wrote: On 13/12/2019 15:49, Scott wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 09:46:24 GMT, Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote: I wonder if Labour will demand a second General Election, because so many voted for the wrong party yesterday? Just supposing indyref2 did take place and Scotland voted to leave the UK, would a Westminster election be needed in the rest of the UK as this would then be a new parliament? Shetland might decide to go it alone if Scotland left. They have ALL the oil :-). Well, do they because of the strange way in which sea areas are defined? AIUI there is some methodology whereby the land border is extended in the same direction into the sea. I have seen a map showing that much of 'Scotland's oil' would be in the English sector. |
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On Friday, 13 December 2019 18:44:15 UTC, Scott wrote:
I have seen a map showing that much of 'Scotland's oil' would be in the English sector. England would have more gunboats than Scotland. QED it's England's oil. Owain |
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 10:48:28 -0800 (PST),
wrote: On Friday, 13 December 2019 18:44:15 UTC, Scott wrote: I have seen a map showing that much of 'Scotland's oil' would be in the English sector. England would have more gunboats than Scotland. QED it's England's oil. Unless Scotland appropriates those based at Faslane :-) |
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"Andrew" wrote in message ... On 13/12/2019 15:44, FMurtz wrote: alan_m wrote: On 13/12/2019 09:46, Harry Bloomfield wrote: I wonder if Labour will demand a second General Election, because so many voted for the wrong party yesterday? But if you include the 30% of those people eligible to vote but didn't, they would have voted Labour so Corbyn can claim a victory for his non-Brexit policies! There is also something very very wrong with the voting system where a SNP candidate gets the most votes and still comes first. Perhaps a pontless rant about how really scared we should be without a Lib-Dem government in power will get the public to demand a new general election next week? Suppose you want new brexit vote next week as well :) It was the Lib Dems who blocked (long overdue) changes to constituency boundaries. I hope this issue is right there at the top of the list of 'things to do'. Why should Scotland with so few people have so many MPs anyway ?. Why do we need 650 of them anyway ?. because in a FPTP system you need a larger number of MPs to get a fairer distribution of parties That is isn't fair enough, isn't going to be solved by having fewer of them and whilst it's slightly on the high side, it isn't out of line with similar sized countries in Europe The HoL, now that's another matter |
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"Andrew" wrote in message ... On 13/12/2019 15:44, FMurtz wrote: alan_m wrote: On 13/12/2019 09:46, Harry Bloomfield wrote: I wonder if Labour will demand a second General Election, because so many voted for the wrong party yesterday? But if you include the 30% of those people eligible to vote but didn't, they would have voted Labour so Corbyn can claim a victory for his non-Brexit policies! There is also something very very wrong with the voting system where a SNP candidate gets the most votes and still comes first. Perhaps a pontless rant about how really scared we should be without a Lib-Dem government in power will get the public to demand a new general election next week? Suppose you want new brexit vote next week as well :) It was the Lib Dems who blocked (long overdue) changes to constituency boundaries. I hope this issue is right there at the top of the list of 'things to do'. Why should Scotland with so few people have so many MPs anyway ?. compared to England: Scotland is over represented by 4 seats Wales by 9 NI by 1 tim |
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wrote in message ... On Friday, 13 December 2019 15:49:47 UTC, Scott wrote: Just supposing indyref2 did take place and Scotland voted to leave the UK, would a Westminster election be needed in the rest of the UK as this would then be a new parliament? The next Scottish Parliament election is on 6 May 2021. Although SNP won 48/59 seats at the General Election, they only got 45.0% of the vote. Conservative 25.1% and Labour 18.6%. Nicola Sturgeon says she won't pretend that every single person who voted SNP necessarily supports independence.... Scottish Secretary Alister Jack, who held Dumfries and Galloway for the Conservatives, said more people cast votes for unionist parties in Scotland than for the SNP. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50766014 Even if there is a referendum, it's only a referendum and not necessarily binding on either government. almost certainly, any referendum that HMG "allows" Scotland to hold would be binding what would be the point otherwise And it's UK that determines the legislation for such a reference as Scot P doesn't have the power. The UK Parliament would then have to pass legislation to devolve constitutional negotiating power to the Scottish P, which would then have to negotiate a deal or no deal "Sc-out" with the UK. We've all seen how well that process goes, especially if the UK P remains hostile to the leave, and some in Scotland would be *violently* opposed to the leave. UK P would almost certainly want an international treaty to retain UK military bases in Scotland including Trident at Faslane, which they won't get and the question of Northern Ireland transport links through Scotland to the UK has to be solved. can't see how that's much of an impediment personally tim |
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"Scott" wrote in message ... On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 16:36:27 -0000, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\)" wrote: Don't be daft, the outcome was never in doubt because Corbin is so 'nice' and not at all decisive. He is the sort of guy who, if he was shot in the leg would give the guy another chance before shooting him, in case it was an accident. The manifesto was like some kind of fairy tale and I suspect the party knew these things. However what I do think is that some kind of proportional representation is needed in this country to make the vote numbers correlate with the number of mps elected of a given view. I agree with that but how do you resolve the argument this would break the link between the constituency and its MP or as in Scotland where list MSPs are sometimes seen as second class compared with constituency MSPs. you don't because you don't need to tim |
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"Tim Streater" wrote in message .. . In article , Brian Gaff wrote: Don't be daft, the outcome was never in doubt because Corbin is so 'nice' and not at all decisive. He is the sort of guy who, if he was shot in the leg would give the guy another chance before shooting him, in case it was an accident. The manifesto was like some kind of fairy tale and I suspect the party knew these things. However what I do think is that some kind of proportional representation is needed in this country to make the vote numbers correlate with the number of mps elected of a given view. Before that we need boundary changes to even up constituency sizes. We are still running on 2005 boundaries. Remember that it used to be that boundaries were revised every 10 years or so, in line with the census. And that the proposed changes used to go through Parliament on the nod as such changes were proposed by the Boundaries Commission, a statutory independent body. The changes in the pipeline, which have been pending for about five years, were of course opposed by Jezza's lot as "unfair". The last lot were vetoed by Tories because they also included a reduction in seats. A redrawing that doesn't reduce the number of seats significantly is what's required. tim |
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On 13/12/2019 15:49, Scott wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 09:46:24 GMT, Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote: I wonder if Labour will demand a second General Election, because so many voted for the wrong party yesterday? Just supposing indyref2 did take place and Scotland voted to leave the UK, would a Westminster election be needed in the rest of the UK as this would then be a new parliament? I don't know what the legal situation would be, but practically it would make sense to just carry on, as there would have been no change in England, Wales and Northern Ireland from this election and removing the Scottish MPs would not be leaving the existing government with a minority. SteveW |
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alan_m wrote
Harry Bloomfield wrote I wonder if Labour will demand a second General Election, because so many voted for the wrong party yesterday? What happened to the only true remain party, the LIb-Dems? Swinson lost her seat and her job. I had election leaflets shoved through my letterbox proclaiming that they were winning! All pollys lie all the time. At least 320 seats they claimed to be winning down to 11 n a day is a bigger loss than that for Labour. And none of them have had the decency to disembowel themselves either. |
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Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote
Don't be daft, the outcome was never in doubt because Corbin is so 'nice' Bull**** he is. He got rid of his enemys very effectively indeed. and not at all decisive. Thats not the reason for that result. He is the sort of guy who, if he was shot in the leg would give the guy another chance before shooting him, in case it was an accident. Even sillier than you usually manage and thats saying something. The manifesto was like some kind of fairy tale and I suspect the party knew these things. Corse they did, it was an attempt to bribe those too stupid to notice that it was completely unaffordable. However what I do think is that some kind of proportional representation is needed in this country to make the vote numbers correlate with the number of mps elected of a given view. And get a result like Israel has just got, 3 elections in a year. Harry Bloomfield; "Esq." wrote in message ... I wonder if Labour will demand a second General Election, because so many voted for the wrong party yesterday? |
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 18:03:15 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: What happened to the only true remain party, the LIb-Dems? Swinson lost her seat and her job. You have lost your mind (if you ever had one), your friends (if you clinically insane asshole ever had any), anyone to talk to and obviously your sleep, you mentally deranged trolling senile asshole from Oz! -- Marland revealing the senile sociopath's pathology: "You have mentioned Alexa in a couple of threads recently, it is not a real woman you know even if it is the only thing with a Female name that stays around around while you talk it to it. Poor sad git who has to resort to Usenet and electronic devices for any interaction as all real people run a mile to get away from from you boring them to death." MID: |
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 19:25:12 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH another clinically insane auto-contradicting session by the clinically insane auto-contradicting senile asshole ....and nothing's left! -- Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 85-year-old trolling senile cretin from Oz: https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/ |
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Scott wrote:
However what I do think is that some kind of proportional representation is needed in this country to make the vote numbers correlate with the number of mps elected of a given view. I agree with that but how do you resolve the argument this would break the link between the constituency and its MP or as in Scotland where list MSPs are sometimes seen as second class compared with constituency MSPs. So use a system that doesn't break the link between a constituency and it's MP, such as multi-member STV as already used in Scottish councils. |
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Scott wrote:
My question was whether in the event of Scottish independence a general election would be needed for the remainder of the UK. Ireland becoming independent didn't trigger or require a general election in the rest of the UK. |
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