Just a thought that crossed my mind. Why do we hard-wire cookers,
instead of using plugs and sockets?

Most are on a 32A supply, so an industrial 32A plug and socket could be
behind the neighbouring unit and cookers supplied with a cable and plug
fitted, making installation easy for anyone. Or a pair of them to cover
separate oven and hob.

SteveW

Steve Walker wrote in news:qsenss$bs9$1@dont-
email.me:

Just a thought that crossed my mind. Why do we hard-wire cookers,
instead of using plugs and sockets?

Most are on a 32A supply, so an industrial 32A plug and socket could be
behind the neighbouring unit and cookers supplied with a cable and plug
fitted, making installation easy for anyone. Or a pair of them to cover
separate oven and hob.

SteveW


Pins could corrode due to not being removed and re-inserted. leading to
high resistance.

That can and has happened to hard wired ones, in my case the wire used was
aluminium and the connection to the cooker cable was where the corrosion
occurred and caused heating. I guess the connector was brass. I'm not up in
what sort of reaction that might set up, but surely we could find plugs and
sockets that are plated?
Brian

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Steve Walker wrote in news:qsenss$bs9$1@dont-
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Just a thought that crossed my mind. Why do we hard-wire cookers,
instead of using plugs and sockets?

Most are on a 32A supply, so an industrial 32A plug and socket could be
behind the neighbouring unit and cookers supplied with a cable and plug
fitted, making installation easy for anyone. Or a pair of them to cover
separate oven and hob.

SteveW


Pins could corrode due to not being removed and re-inserted. leading to
high resistance.

Steve Walker wrote

Just a thought that crossed my mind. Why do we hard-
wire cookers, instead of using plugs and sockets?

Most are on a 32A supply, so an industrial 32A plug and socket could be
behind the neighbouring unit and cookers supplied with a cable and plug
fitted, making installation easy for anyone. Or a pair of them to cover
separate oven and hob.

Basically most dont change them often enough to matter.

And those big plug and sockets are quite bulky.

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On 06/12/2019 23:23, Steve Walker wrote:
Just a thought that crossed my mind. Why do we hard-wire cookers,
instead of using plugs and sockets?

Most are on a 32A supply, so an industrial 32A plug and socket could be
behind the neighbouring unit and cookers supplied with a cable and plug
fitted, making installation easy for anyone. Or a pair of them to cover
separate oven and hob.

Cookers often are connected using a plug and socket in commercial
kitchens. However it adds additional cost to the installation, while
also being bulky and fugly in a domestic situation.

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On Saturday, 7 December 2019 03:55:27 UTC, John Rumm wrote:
Cookers often are connected using a plug and socket in commercial
kitchens. However it adds additional cost to the installation, while
also being bulky and fugly in a domestic situation.

And EN 60309 "ceeform" / "commando" sockets aren't shuttered, which is considered undesirable (at best, if not prohibited) in domestic installations.

Owain

wrote:

EN 60309 "ceeform" / "commando" sockets aren't shuttered, which is
considered undesirable (at best, if not prohibited) in domestic
installations.

Though you can get sockets with an interlocked switch to prevent
fingerpoken.

On 07/12/2019 09:37, wrote:
On Saturday, 7 December 2019 03:55:27 UTC, John Rumm wrote:
Cookers often are connected using a plug and socket in commercial
kitchens. However it adds additional cost to the installation, while
also being bulky and fugly in a domestic situation.

And EN 60309 "ceeform" / "commando" sockets aren't shuttered, which is considered undesirable (at best, if not prohibited) in domestic installations.

Owain




There are 'Commando' sockets which have a power interlock. I've never
seen them for sale and the ones I have seen have been 16A ones but I
suspect 32A ones are available. You insert the plug an twist to turn on
the power. You certainly need to press a button to remove the plug.

The Caravan and Motorhome club has them on most of their hook up posts
on sites in the UK. I've never seen them elsewhere, even on sites in the
UK. They often catch out first time users who think the service point
isn't working or they can't remove their plug when leaving.

That implies that nobody has bothered to define a proper standard for a
plug and socket that is shuttered and low profile.

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On Saturday, 7 December 2019 03:55:27 UTC, John Rumm wrote:
Cookers often are connected using a plug and socket in commercial
kitchens. However it adds additional cost to the installation, while
also being bulky and fugly in a domestic situation.

And EN 60309 "ceeform" / "commando" sockets aren't shuttered, which is
considered undesirable (at best, if not prohibited) in domestic
installations.

Owain

On 06/12/19 23:23, Steve Walker wrote:
Just a thought that crossed my mind. Why do we hard-wire cookers,
instead of using plugs and sockets?

Most are on a 32A supply, so an industrial 32A plug and socket could be
behind the neighbouring unit and cookers supplied with a cable and plug
fitted, making installation easy for anyone. Or a pair of them to cover
separate oven and hob.
SteveW

I would think it's because it would make the cooker stand away from the
wall by at least another 10 cm or so, depending on how much you be happy
to bend the cable at a right angle close to the plug.You could more than
half that distance if the socket was such that the plug entered it
parallel to the wall. That would save some space and the sharp bend in
the cable. But does such a socket exist?

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On 06/12/19 23:23, Steve Walker wrote:
Just a thought that crossed my mind. Why do we hard-wire cookers,
instead of using plugs and sockets?

Most are on a 32A supply, so an industrial 32A plug and socket could be
behind the neighbouring unit and cookers supplied with a cable and plug
fitted, making installation easy for anyone. Or a pair of them to cover
separate oven and hob.
SteveW

I would think it's because it would make the cooker stand away from the
wall by at least another 10 cm or so, depending on how much you be happy
to bend the cable at a right angle close to the plug.You could more than
half that distance if the socket was such that the plug entered it
parallel to the wall. That would save some space and the sharp bend in the
cable. But does such a socket exist?

There doesnt have to be a sharp bend. Its perfectly possible to design
the plug and socket to avoid that.

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03:51 in Australia, AGAIN? LOL

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I'm sure I've seen this done. The answer is probably cheapness.
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"Steve Walker" wrote in message
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Just a thought that crossed my mind. Why do we hard-wire cookers, instead
of using plugs and sockets?

Most are on a 32A supply, so an industrial 32A plug and socket could be
behind the neighbouring unit and cookers supplied with a cable and plug
fitted, making installation easy for anyone. Or a pair of them to cover
separate oven and hob.

SteveW

In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
Just a thought that crossed my mind. Why do we hard-wire cookers,
instead of using plugs and sockets?

Most are on a 32A supply, so an industrial 32A plug and socket could be
behind the neighbouring unit and cookers supplied with a cable and plug
fitted, making installation easy for anyone. Or a pair of them to cover
separate oven and hob.

Extra costs both in materials and labour.

How often to you change your cooker to make this worthwhile?

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On 07/12/2019 12:06, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
Just a thought that crossed my mind. Why do we hard-wire cookers,
instead of using plugs and sockets?

Most are on a 32A supply, so an industrial 32A plug and socket could be
behind the neighbouring unit and cookers supplied with a cable and plug
fitted, making installation easy for anyone. Or a pair of them to cover
separate oven and hob.

Extra costs both in materials and labour.

How often to you change your cooker to make this worthwhile?

But many people do take them out for cleaning behind them and in narrow
kitchens, you could really do with taking it right out of the kitchen
and out of the way while you do.

SteveW

In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
On 07/12/2019 12:06, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
Just a thought that crossed my mind. Why do we hard-wire cookers,
instead of using plugs and sockets?

Most are on a 32A supply, so an industrial 32A plug and socket could be
behind the neighbouring unit and cookers supplied with a cable and plug
fitted, making installation easy for anyone. Or a pair of them to cover
separate oven and hob.

Extra costs both in materials and labour.

How often to you change your cooker to make this worthwhile?

But many people do take them out for cleaning behind them and in narrow
kitchens, you could really do with taking it right out of the kitchen
and out of the way while you do.

Really?

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
On 07/12/2019 12:06, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
Just a thought that crossed my mind. Why do we hard-wire cookers,
instead of using plugs and sockets?

Most are on a 32A supply, so an industrial 32A plug and socket could be
behind the neighbouring unit and cookers supplied with a cable and plug
fitted, making installation easy for anyone. Or a pair of them to cover
separate oven and hob.

Extra costs both in materials and labour.

How often to you change your cooker to make this worthwhile?

But many people do take them out for cleaning behind them and in narrow
kitchens, you could really do with taking it right out of the kitchen
and out of the way while you do.

Really?

Yes!

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In article ,
Roger Hayter wrote:
But many people do take them out for cleaning behind them and in narrow
kitchens, you could really do with taking it right out of the kitchen
and out of the way while you do.

Really?

Yes!

If your kitchen is so tight for space I'd say you'd have problems making
any 40 amp connector accessible.

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On 07/12/2019 13:06, Steve Walker wrote:

But many people do take them out for cleaning behind them

I've never heard of such a thing.

Bill

On 08/12/2019 04:23, Bill Wright wrote:
On 07/12/2019 13:06, Steve Walker wrote:

But many people do take them out for cleaning behind them

I've never heard of such a thing.

Bill

Especially if they are built in :-)

Chris Hogg posted
On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 23:23:06 +0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

Just a thought that crossed my mind. Why do we hard-wire cookers,
instead of using plugs and sockets?

Most are on a 32A supply, so an industrial 32A plug and socket could be
behind the neighbouring unit and cookers supplied with a cable and plug
fitted, making installation easy for anyone. Or a pair of them to cover
separate oven and hob.

The same goes for immersion heaters. No doubt the stock reply is
"safety", but that may not be the real reason.

Interesting suggestion. By way of comparison, domestic gas stoves are
'plugged in' as it were, not permanently plumbed in, so yes, why not
electric ones. Might save a lot of hassle when getting a new electric
cooker delivered and installed, or just moving house.

Yes, it would save the expense of getting an electrician to connect it.
I expect that is the real reason it isn't done, much the same as gas
cookers being supplied without a hose despite the universality of
bayonet connections.

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