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Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
I've just changed Power supplier to E-0n and they want to fit smart
meters. At the time of change I apparently agreed to smart meters to be supplied, but I never noticed it. I've followed the discussion over the past few months about smart meters on this group. Do the objections still apply or has experience moderated peoples views? Oeter |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
On 27/11/2019 08:37, pfj wrote:
I've just changed Power supplier to E-0n and they want to fit smart meters. At the time of change I apparently agreed to smart meters to be supplied, but I never noticed it. Don't, you'll be throwing millions of meter readers out of work. The meters are radioactive. Criminals will raid your house in the holidays. The in-house displays listens to your deep thoughts. Your electricity gets billed in kVAh instead of kWh. The cable screws will be never tightened enough and your house will burn down after 10 minutes of use. A man will ring from India and want your bank details to make your electric meter secure. -- Adrian C |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
On 27/11/2019 08:37, pfj wrote:
I've just changed Power supplier to E-0n and they want to fit smart meters. At the time of change I apparently agreed to smart meters to be supplied, but I never noticed it. As long as it is a second generation one then it should be secure. Having sight of what electricity you are using in real time will probably shave 10% off your bill in the first year, but after that no further improvement. If you already have an Owl then it saves nothing. I've followed the discussion over the past few months about smart meters on this group. Do the objections still apply or has experience moderated peoples views? Oeter First generation ones are complete crap, stop working when you change supplier and sometimes give readings wrong by insane amounts. Apart from that they are OK but if you have no mobile signal they cannot fit them. Another situation where there can be problems I have seen with a 1940's era house that has never been rewired is if they fitted a new meter they said they would have to set the main supply fuse to 20A! It was academic since not having any mobile signal trumped everything so the guy left without doing a thing. Hazards of living against a cliff face. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
Martin Brown wrote:
sometimes give readings wrong by insane amounts No UK models were shown to use Rogowski coils .. |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 08:37:03 +0000, pfj wrote:
I've just changed Power supplier to E-0n and they want to fit smart meters. At the time of change I apparently agreed to smart meters to be supplied, but I never noticed it. I moved from E.on a few months ago for this reason (and the fact that they had jacked up the prices a lot; I had done some fancy footwork before and was on a very cheap tariff which expired in April). So Energy have been trouble free and have actually just reduced my monthly payment. No meter compulsion and no exit fee. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
Can't see the problems! Happy with mine. |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
On 27/11/2019 09:01, Martin Brown wrote:
On 27/11/2019 08:37, pfj wrote: I've just changed Power supplier to E-0n and they want to fit smart meters.Â* At the time of change I apparently agreed to smart meters to be supplied,Â* but I never noticed it. As long as it is a second generation one then it should be secure. Having sight of what electricity you are using in real time will probably shave 10% off your bill in the first year, but after that no further improvement. How did it enable you to save 10%? If you already have an Owl then it saves nothing. Owl? -- Max Demian |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
On 27/11/2019 08:37, pfj wrote:
I've just changed Power supplier to E-0n and they want to fit smart meters. At the time of change I apparently agreed to smart meters to be supplied, but I never noticed it. I've followed the discussion over the past few months about smart meters on this group. Do the objections still apply or has experience moderated peoples views? Oeter I did get a similar claim from E-On, when I asked for evidence of this they backed off. They accepted by refusal to have one but they did say that they would keep nagging! -- Michael Chare |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
I take it that the gas meter has to be changed. Just wondering what the replacement is like and how much of the pipework the fitters alter? I ask because of the way additions have been made to the pipes means the earth strap is not quite correctly placed and the cut off valve lever has been awkwardly placed tight up against the wall.
Richard |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
on 27/11/2019, Tricky Dicky supposed :
I take it that the gas meter has to be changed. Just wondering what the replacement is like and how much of the pipework the fitters alter? I ask because of the way additions have been made to the pipes means the earth strap is not quite correctly placed and the cut off valve lever has been awkwardly placed tight up against the wall. That depends. The gas meters are around the same size as a standard meter, so should fit in place of the old one. Having said that, a friend of mine had his in a very awkward spot next to his front door and buried behind pipes, rather than in a proper meter cupboard. The first installer gave up untouched and it took two installers working together and entire morning to eventually sort the mess out and fit the meter. My own meters are in proper cupboards with easy access, no modification was necessary and both meters dropped straight in within an hour. They still don't work though, I keep changing suppliers :-) |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
Max Demian brought next idea :
How did it enable you to save 10%? They don't, but knowing what you are using when, can empower you to work out ways to save. |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
On 27/11/2019 10:07, Max Demian wrote:
On 27/11/2019 09:01, Martin Brown wrote: On 27/11/2019 08:37, pfj wrote: I've just changed Power supplier to E-0n and they want to fit smart meters.Â* At the time of change I apparently agreed to smart meters to be supplied,Â* but I never noticed it. As long as it is a second generation one then it should be secure. Having sight of what electricity you are using in real time will probably shave 10% off your bill in the first year, but after that no further improvement. How did it enable you to save 10%? By reducing the 24/7 base load to an absolute minimum. There were a couple of long lost iron wall warts sat behind furniture using a few watts each continuously. TV default standby was over 20W and sound system for the PC consumed as much power in standby as when it was on! Most of my other gear had sensible standby currents 1W. A couple of smart master slave extension sockets later and base load was much reduced. It depends on you being at least curious as to why power consumption is a bit high with nothing apparently switched on. Residual base load is now kitchen white goods, router, alarm and emergency lights. All of which are essential to stay on power. If you already have an Owl then it saves nothing. Owl? DIY clip on smart meter (other brands are available). https://www.amazon.co.uk/OWL-Micro-W...dp/B007W0SQ3Y/ About £40 and you will save that easily in the first couple of years. Some green suppliers will give you one for free and possibly a smart 3 way master slave socket to go with it if you pick the right tariff. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
On 27/11/2019 08:37, pfj wrote:
I've just changed Power supplier to E-0n and they want to fit smart meters. At the time of change I apparently agreed to smart meters to be supplied, but I never noticed it. I've followed the discussion over the past few months about smart meters on this group. Do the objections still apply or has experience moderated peoples views? Oeter My main objections are that they are a waste of money, don't save me money, and allow the supplier to remotely disconnect my supply. In addition in the North of England they more likely not to work as the network back to the supplier is different. The only one of these things that has changed is that some suppliers are surcharging those of us who choose not to have a smart meter, presumably in order to reach the government target.... .... so if the cheapest tarrif needs a smart meter go for it Dave |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
On 27/11/2019 11:53, David Wade wrote:
On 27/11/2019 08:37, pfj wrote: I've just changed Power supplier to E-0n and they want to fit smart meters.Â* At the time of change I apparently agreed to smart meters to be supplied,Â* but I never noticed it. I've followed the discussion over the past few months about smart meters on this group.Â* Do the objections still apply or has experience moderated peoples views? Oeter My main objections are that they are a waste of money, don't save me money, and allow the supplier to remotely disconnect my supply. In addition in the North of England they more likely not to work as the network back to the supplier is different. They also make it possible to determine when a property is unoccupied, or likely to be. -- Michael Chare |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
Tee, the answer as always is somewhere between paranoia and sensible. I
personally don't think there will be much difference, since eventually you will shove the readout in a drawer and forget about it. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Adrian Caspersz" wrote in message ... On 27/11/2019 08:37, pfj wrote: I've just changed Power supplier to E-0n and they want to fit smart meters. At the time of change I apparently agreed to smart meters to be supplied, but I never noticed it. Don't, you'll be throwing millions of meter readers out of work. The meters are radioactive. Criminals will raid your house in the holidays. The in-house displays listens to your deep thoughts. Your electricity gets billed in kVAh instead of kWh. The cable screws will be never tightened enough and your house will burn down after 10 minutes of use. A man will ring from India and want your bank details to make your electric meter secure. -- Adrian C |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
"pfj" wrote in message ... I've just changed Power supplier to E-0n and they want to fit smart meters. At the time of change I apparently agreed to smart meters to be supplied, but I never noticed it. I've followed the discussion over the past few months about smart meters on this group. Do the objections still apply or has experience moderated peoples views? The worst of them are just mindless paranoid luddites who will never change their views. Smart meters do mean that you don't have to read the meter yourself or provide any way for a meter reader to read it periodically. There can be with your stupid system a problem with smart meters that go stupid if you change supplier. |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
On 27/11/2019 09:06, Andy Burns wrote:
Martin Brown wrote: sometimes give readings wrong by insane amounts No UK models were shown to use Rogowski coils .. Doesn't seem to prevent them giving crazy readings from time to time that the computer takes at face value. Even in the days of manual readings you get get some pretty insane bills. They did it to our VH because the system thought we had a 6 digit meter and the meter only had 5 digit display. The clueless meter reading muppet zero padded at the wrong end and we had a quarterly electricity bill for half the national debt. It was 9x a decade of actual usage! -- Regards, Martin Brown |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
On 27/11/2019 09:01, Martin Brown wrote:
On 27/11/2019 08:37, pfj wrote: I've just changed Power supplier to E-0n and they want to fit smart meters.Â* At the time of change I apparently agreed to smart meters to be supplied,Â* but I never noticed it. As long as it is a second generation one then it should be secure. Having sight of what electricity you are using in real time will probably shave 10% off your bill in the first year, but after that no further improvement. If you already have an Owl then it saves nothing. I've followed the discussion over the past few months about smart meters on this group.Â* Do the objections still apply or has experience moderated peoples views? Oeter First generationÂ* ones are complete crap, stop working when you change supplier and sometimes give readings wrong by insane amounts. Apart from that they are OK but if you have no mobile signal they cannot fit them. Another situation where there can be problems I have seen with a 1940's era house that has never been rewired is if they fitted a new meter they said they would have to set the main supply fuse to 20A! It was academic since not having any mobile signal trumped everything so the guy left without doing a thing. Hazards of living against a cliff face. They didn't mention the VIR wiring then ?. |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
On 27/11/2019 09:40, John wrote:
Can't see the problems! Happy with mine. Until you realise that far from being 'free' you will ultimately pay for it twice over, over its lifetime. |
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Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
On 27/11/2019 11:22, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Max Demian brought next idea : How did it enable you to save 10%? They don't, but knowing what you are using when, can empower you to work out ways to save. Does empower mean let? Bill |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
"Andrew" wrote in message ... On 27/11/2019 09:40, John wrote: Can't see the problems! Happy with mine. Until you realise that far from being 'free' you will ultimately pay for it twice over, over its lifetime. But save much more on the wages of meter reading monkeys. |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
On 27/11/2019 21:17, Rod Speed wrote:
"Andrew" wrote in message ... On 27/11/2019 09:40, John wrote: Can't see the problems! Happy with mine. Until you realise that far from being 'free' you will ultimately pay for it twice over, over its lifetime. But save much more on the wages of meter reading monkeys. That benefit goes entirely to the utility supplier. It isn't a benefit for the consumer any more than having a Russian botnet able to thrash the generation 1 smart meter users on and off the grid to break it. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 11:16:48 GMT, Harry Bloomfield, Esq.
wrote: on 27/11/2019, Tricky Dicky supposed : I take it that the gas meter has to be changed. Just wondering what the replacement is like and how much of the pipework the fitters alter? I ask because of the way additions have been made to the pipes means the earth strap is not quite correctly placed and the cut off valve lever has been awkwardly placed tight up against the wall. That depends. The gas meters are around the same size as a standard meter, so should fit in place of the old one. Having said that, a friend of mine had his in a very awkward spot next to his front door and buried behind pipes, rather than in a proper meter cupboard. The first installer gave up untouched and it took two installers working together and entire morning to eventually sort the mess out and fit the meter. My own meters are in proper cupboards with easy access, no modification was necessary and both meters dropped straight in within an hour. They still don't work though, I keep changing suppliers :-) Do they try to impose any rule that the meters have to be 1 metre apart? |
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On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 08:17:43 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: But save much more on the wages of meter reading monkeys. ONLY in your retarded monopolist-admiring senile "mind", senile idiot! -- about senile Rot Speed: "This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage." MID: |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
"Martin Brown" wrote in message ... On 27/11/2019 21:17, Rod Speed wrote: "Andrew" wrote in message ... On 27/11/2019 09:40, John wrote: Can't see the problems! Happy with mine. Until you realise that far from being 'free' you will ultimately pay for it twice over, over its lifetime. But save much more on the wages of meter reading monkeys. That benefit goes entirely to the utility supplier. Not when they can offer lower rates when their costs are lower. It isn't a benefit for the consumer Of course it is when they can offer lower rates. any more than having a Russian botnet able to thrash the generation 1 smart meter users on and off the grid to break it. How odd that they dont bother. |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
On 27/11/2019 19:13, Bill Wright wrote:
On 27/11/2019 11:22, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Max Demian brought next idea : How did it enable you to save 10%? They don't, but knowing what you are using when, can empower you to work out ways to save. Does empower mean let? I think it means overcome a power stopping you. This is why women say they need to be empowered. -- Max Demian |
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Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
On 27/11/2019 22:37, Max Demian wrote:
On 27/11/2019 19:13, Bill Wright wrote: On 27/11/2019 11:22, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Max Demian brought next idea : How did it enable you to save 10%? They don't, but knowing what you are using when, can empower you to work out ways to save. Does empower mean let? I think it means overcome a power stopping you. This is why women say they need to be empowered. As opposed to nPower and its impenetrable obfuscated bills. (or have they improved now) -- Regards, Martin Brown |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
On 27/11/2019 22:20, Rod Speed wrote:
"Martin Brown" wrote in message ... On 27/11/2019 21:17, Rod Speed wrote: "Andrew" wrote in message ... On 27/11/2019 09:40, John wrote: Can't see the problems! Happy with mine. Until you realise that far from being 'free' you will ultimately pay for it twice over, over its lifetime. But save much more on the wages of meter reading monkeys. That benefit goes entirely to the utility supplier. Not when they can offer lower rates when their costs are lower. They could, but they won't. Prices for utilities are always quick to rise at the slightest excuse but seldom fall back again later. They are offering bribes to get people to sign up at the moment but it is no use if you cannot get one because of mobile phone not-spots. Much like the dual fuel tariffs are no damn use if there is no mains gas. It isn't a benefit for the consumer Of course it is when they can offer lower rates. Don't hold your breath. any more than having a Russian botnet able to thrash the generation 1 smart meter users on and off the grid to break it. How odd that they dont bother. Just because they haven't done so yet doesn't mean that they won't. It was a ludicrous vulnerability due to government incompetence. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
"Martin Brown" wrote in message ... On 27/11/2019 22:20, Rod Speed wrote: "Martin Brown" wrote in message ... On 27/11/2019 21:17, Rod Speed wrote: "Andrew" wrote in message ... On 27/11/2019 09:40, John wrote: Can't see the problems! Happy with mine. Until you realise that far from being 'free' you will ultimately pay for it twice over, over its lifetime. But save much more on the wages of meter reading monkeys. That benefit goes entirely to the utility supplier. Not when they can offer lower rates when their costs are lower. They could, but they won't. They already do. Prices for utilities are always quick to rise at the slightest excuse but seldom fall back again later. Have fun explaining why some already do offer lower rates conditional on you having a smart meter. They are offering bribes to get people to sign up at the moment but it is no use if you cannot get one because of mobile phone not-spots. Irrelevant to whether you can have lower rates if you agree to having a smart meter and the mobile coverage is fine where yours is. Much like the dual fuel tariffs are no damn use if there is no mains gas. Nothing like in fact. It isn't a benefit for the consumer Of course it is when they can offer lower rates. Don't hold your breath. Dont need to, they do already. any more than having a Russian botnet able to thrash the generation 1 smart meter users on and off the grid to break it. How odd that they dont bother. Just because they haven't done so yet doesn't mean that they won't. The problem is that there is no point in doing that, so it wont happen, you watch. And if it does, the security hole will be fixed. It was a ludicrous vulnerability due to government incompetence. Yes, but trivially fixable. |
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On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 20:24:53 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: Prices for utilities are always quick to rise at the slightest excuse but seldom fall back again later. Have fun explaining why some already do offer lower rates conditional on you having a smart meter. Post your SOURCES, you pathological senile bull**** artist! -- Bill Wright addressing senile Ozzie cretin Rot Speed: "Well you make up a lot of stuff and it's total ******** most of it." MID: |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 09:14:08 +0000, Martin Brown wrote:
They are offering bribes to get people to sign up at the moment but it is no use if you cannot get one because of mobile phone not-spots. Brides so they don't get hit by big fines from the goverment for not reaching the target of x million smart meters installed by y date. Much like the dual fuel tariffs are no damn use if there is no mains gas. Not that your get electricity any cheaper with a dual fuel tarrif, only gas. It isn't a benefit for the consumer Of course it is when they can offer lower rates. Don't hold your breath. Quite, though there are a few interesting tarrifs about that give cheaper/costlier electricty based on day of week and time. But a fixed pattern and fixed rates rather than a fully dynamic price/time tariff. -- Cheers Dave. |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
Scott wrote:
Do they try to impose any rule that the meters have to be 1 metre apart? That sort of sounds amusing! :-) -- Chris Green · |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
On 28/11/2019 11:03, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 09:14:08 +0000, Martin Brown wrote: They are offering bribes to get people to sign up at the moment but it is no use if you cannot get one because of mobile phone not-spots. Brides so they don't get hit by big fines from the goverment for not reaching the target of x million smart meters installed by y date. Much like the dual fuel tariffs are no damn use if there is no mains gas. Not that your get electricity any cheaper with a dual fuel tarrif, only gas. Doesn't that depend on whether you have dual-fuel with BG, or dual-fuel with a leccy supplier ?. It isn't a benefit for the consumer Of course it is when they can offer lower rates. Don't hold your breath. Quite, though there are a few interesting tarrifs about that give cheaper/costlier electricty based on day of week and time. But a fixed pattern and fixed rates rather than a fully dynamic price/time tariff. The only interesting tarriff right now is the EDF one that supplies half-price units from 9PM to 7AM and all weekend, but I think you have to have an electric car, and possibly one that is leased from EDF if I have understood the latest adverts correctly. |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 19:16:49 +0000, Andrew wrote:
Much like the dual fuel tariffs are no damn use if there is no mains gas. Not that your get electricity any cheaper with a dual fuel tarrif, only gas. Doesn't that depend on whether you have dual-fuel with BG, or dual-fuel with a leccy supplier ?. When I checked a while back for most suppliers the lecky part of a dual-fuel tarrif was the same a lecky only from that supplier. -- Cheers Dave. |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
In article , Max
Demian writes On 27/11/2019 09:01, Martin Brown wrote: On 27/11/2019 08:37, pfj wrote: I've just changed Power supplier to E-0n and they want to fit smart meters.* At the time of change I apparently agreed to smart meters to be supplied,* but I never noticed it. As long as it is a second generation one then it should be secure. Having sight of what electricity you are using in real time will probably shave 10% off your bill in the first year, but after that no further improvement. How did it enable you to save 10%? Estimates I've seen are £11.00. People tend to stop taking any notice after the first month. If you already have an Owl then it saves nothing. Owl? -- bert |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
In article , Harry Bloomfield
writes Max Demian brought next idea : How did it enable you to save 10%? They don't, but knowing what you are using when, can empower you to work out ways to save. Every electricity consuming device I have has a number on it followed by the letters KW. That tells me how much power it consumes as long as I leave it on. -- bert |
Power supplier wants to fit smart meters?
In article , David Wade
writes ... so if the cheapest tarrif needs a smart meter go for it That's what I've done. EDF -- bert |
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