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Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. Bill |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. Bill Ground source heat pump and Utility overcoats. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On 28/09/2019 15:41, Bill Wright wrote:
On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. That does rather depend on what level insulation is required by the Future Homes Standard (and whether British housebuilders then actually deliver it). I'd be happy to live without gas in something that meets eg Passivhaus standards. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On 28/09/2019 15:41, Bill Wright wrote:
On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. Bill When I were a lad we used to huddle round the lit gas oven with the door open to warm us up before walking 2 miles to school, armed with a bag of Victory V lozenges (the proper ones, not the wimpy **** sold today) |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On 28/09/2019 15:41, Bill Wright wrote:
On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. Building control, Not planners. What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. Yes. The idea is 'renewable' electricity, heat pumps and batteries. Its totally insane Bill -- Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. Groucho Marx |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On 28/09/2019 16:06, Robin wrote:
On 28/09/2019 15:41, Bill Wright wrote: On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. That does rather depend on what level insulation is required by the Future Homes Standard (and whether British housebuilders then actually deliver it).Â* I'd be happy to live without gas in something that meets eg Passivhaus standards. Then you would suffocate and have massive condensation instead The ventlation requirements already drive a coach and horses through modern insulation standards -- Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. Groucho Marx |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On Saturday, 28 September 2019 15:41:37 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote:
On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. Bill Well sfb it's very simple. In the end there will be no public distribution of gas, it will be going to highly efficient power stations. (There's no point anyway in having gas to your house for a gas cooker alone.) Gas boilers will be no longer for sale. Homes will be heated using heat pumps. As are quite a few around already I notice. And they will have much higher standards of insulation. |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On Saturday, 28 September 2019 16:06:07 UTC+1, Robin wrote:
On 28/09/2019 15:41, Bill Wright wrote: On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. That does rather depend on what level insulation is required by the Future Homes Standard (and whether British housebuilders then actually deliver it). I'd be happy to live without gas in something that meets eg Passivhaus standards. I already have one (and no gas). |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On Saturday, 28 September 2019 16:16:32 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/09/2019 16:06, Robin wrote: On 28/09/2019 15:41, Bill Wright wrote: On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. That does rather depend on what level insulation is required by the Future Homes Standard (and whether British housebuilders then actually deliver it).Â* I'd be happy to live without gas in something that meets eg Passivhaus standards. Then you would suffocate and have massive condensation instead The ventlation requirements already drive a coach and horses through modern insulation standards Parping on about things you have zero knowledge as usual. I have had a passive house for twelve years with no condensation problems. |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On 28/09/2019 16:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/09/2019 16:06, Robin wrote: On 28/09/2019 15:41, Bill Wright wrote: On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. That does rather depend on what level insulation is required by the Future Homes Standard (and whether British housebuilders then actually deliver it).Â* I'd be happy to live without gas in something that meets eg Passivhaus standards. Then you would suffocate and have massive condensation instead The ventlation requirements already drive a coach and horses through modern insulation standards Please explain. The few houses /built/ to such standards I have visited were built without thermal bridging (so did not suffer condensation) and with thermal recovery ventilation. NB this is not about retrofits where cowboys may slap insulation on the flat bits and forget about the rest. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
What a load of twaddle I bet he has a wood burner in his pad.
I could be uncharitable and suggest he just wants to deflect all the brexit criticism, but that would be unthinkable of such an inteligent responsible citizen, cough,.. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "harry" wrote in message ... https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On 28/09/2019 16:28, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 28 September 2019 15:41:37 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote: On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. Bill Well sfb it's very simple. In the end there will be no public distribution of gas, it will be going to highly efficient power stations. (There's no point anyway in having gas to your house for a gas cooker alone.) Gas boilers will be no longer for sale. So what will happen to existing housing, that is not well insulated and cannot easily be so, when the existing boiler fails? How many people will be able to afford to bring their house up to standard and purchase and install a ground source heat pump - especially within a couple of days when the existing system fails? Homes will be heated using heat pumps. As are quite a few around already I notice. And they will have much higher standards of insulation. Where is this insulation going in an existing house when the boiler fails and the only replacements are heat pumps? We have a staircase, kitchen, bathroom and boxroom against the end wall. We cannot fit insulation on the inside, as the stairs would be uncomfortably narrowed; the gap between the doorway and the wall in the boxroom does not allow any loss of space (above about 10mm) without not being able to fit a wardrobe and desk, that cannot be in any other position, as they'd then stop the bed being in there at all; equally the bathroom cannot lose space, as it is tiny and needs every inch. Putting insulation on the outside would not fit in with the surrounding housing; would require pipework to be re-arranged; would require the roof extending and the guttering moving outwards; and would narrow the driveway past the house making access impossible - I have already had to take cars that I needed to work on or to store off road while my wife was ill and could not drive through, with less than 1" clearance on each side, with the mirrors folded! SteveW |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On 28/09/2019 16:30, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 28 September 2019 16:16:32 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 28/09/2019 16:06, Robin wrote: On 28/09/2019 15:41, Bill Wright wrote: On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. That does rather depend on what level insulation is required by the Future Homes Standard (and whether British housebuilders then actually deliver it).Â* I'd be happy to live without gas in something that meets eg Passivhaus standards. Then you would suffocate and have massive condensation instead The ventlation requirements already drive a coach and horses through modern insulation standards Parping on about things you have zero knowledge as usual. I have had a passive house for twelve years with no condensation problems. Not everyone has such a good source of hot air as your gob. -- Adam |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On Saturday, 28 September 2019 18:18:48 UTC+1, Steve Walker wrote:
On 28/09/2019 16:28, harry wrote: On Saturday, 28 September 2019 15:41:37 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote: On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. Bill Well sfb it's very simple. In the end there will be no public distribution of gas, it will be going to highly efficient power stations. (There's no point anyway in having gas to your house for a gas cooker alone.) Gas boilers will be no longer for sale. So what will happen to existing housing, that is not well insulated and cannot easily be so, when the existing boiler fails? How many people will be able to afford to bring their house up to standard and purchase and install a ground source heat pump - especially within a couple of days when the existing system fails? Homes will be heated using heat pumps. As are quite a few around already I notice. And they will have much higher standards of insulation. Where is this insulation going in an existing house when the boiler fails and the only replacements are heat pumps? We have a staircase, kitchen, bathroom and boxroom against the end wall. We cannot fit insulation on the inside, as the stairs would be uncomfortably narrowed; the gap between the doorway and the wall in the boxroom does not allow any loss of space (above about 10mm) without not being able to fit a wardrobe and desk, that cannot be in any other position, as they'd then stop the bed being in there at all; equally the bathroom cannot lose space, as it is tiny and needs every inch. Putting insulation on the outside would not fit in with the surrounding housing; would require pipework to be re-arranged; would require the roof extending and the guttering moving outwards; and would narrow the driveway past the house making access impossible - I have already had to take cars that I needed to work on or to store off road while my wife was ill and could not drive through, with less than 1" clearance on each side, with the mirrors folded! SteveW They will have bigger heat pumps. |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On 28/09/2019 16:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/09/2019 15:41, Bill Wright wrote: On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. Building control, Not planners. What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. Yes. The idea is 'renewable' electricity, heat pumps and batteries. Its totally insane Well at least its not the EU but the brexiteers doing it! Surprising given that's another thing TNP predicted we would be free from when we leave. |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
"Bill Wright" wrote in message ... On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? Gulags for the recalcitrant like you. You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. Then you get burnt at the stake in the town square. What will the approved alternatives be? You get to freeze to death. Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. And so they should. |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On 28/09/2019 16:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/09/2019 15:41, Bill Wright wrote: On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. Building control, Not planners. What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. Yes. The idea is 'renewable' electricity, heat pumps and batteries. It's also only applicable to new builds, which in turn will be insulated properly. District heating maybe, too. And hopefully people will insulate themselves and heat their homes with a little more thought. Its totally insane Well, it'll simply not happen unless the government supports it financially. -- Cheers, Rob |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On 28/09/2019 18:18, Steve Walker wrote:
On 28/09/2019 16:28, harry wrote: snip Gas boilers will be no longer for sale. So what will happen to existing housing, that is not well insulated and cannot easily be so, when the existing boiler fails? IIUC, it'll be new build only - can't see a source for the OP's story. -- Cheers, Rob |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On 28/09/2019 16:03, Graham. wrote:
On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. Bill Ground source heat pump and Utility overcoats. Whose ground ?. Modern houses have very little, and flats even less. |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On 28/09/2019 20:19, RJH wrote:
It's also only applicable to new builds, which in turn will be insulated properly. District heating maybe, too. Sounds like a socialist paradise then |
Lonely Psychopathic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 05:06:29 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: How will it be enforced? Gulags for the recalcitrant like you. This is about the UK, senile idiot! So **** off to your Australian ng, you senile trolling Australian pest! -- Sqwertz to Rot Speed: "This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative asshole. MID: |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
Brian Gaff wrote
What a load of twaddle I bet he has a wood burner in his pad. Its more like a padded cell than a pad and yes, he does have a wood burner in it and likely can't have gas even if he wanted it. I could be uncharitable and suggest he just wants to deflect all the brexit criticism, but that would be unthinkable of such an inteligent responsible citizen, cough,.. Stop that coughing, boy, you're ****ing the environment. "harry" wrote in message ... https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On 28/09/2019 18:18, Steve Walker wrote:
On 28/09/2019 16:28, harry wrote: On Saturday, 28 September 2019 15:41:37 UTC+1, Bill WrightÂ* wrote: On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. Bill Well sfb it's very simple.Â* In the end there will be no public distribution of gas, it will be going to highly efficient power stations. (There's no point anyway in having gas to your house for a gas cooker alone.) Gas boilers will be no longer for sale. So what will happen to existing housing, that is not well insulated and cannot easily be so, when the existing boiler fails? How many people will be able to afford to bring their house up to standard and purchase and install a ground source heat pump - especially within a couple of days when the existing system fails? Homes will be heated using heat pumps. As are quite a few around already I notice. And they will have much higher standards of insulation. Where is this insulation going in an existing house when the boiler fails and the only replacements are heat pumps? We have a staircase, kitchen, bathroom and boxroom against the end wall. We cannot fit insulation on the inside, as the stairs would be uncomfortably narrowed; the gap between the doorway and the wall in the boxroom does not allow any loss of space (above about 10mm) without not being able to fit a wardrobe and desk, that cannot be in any other position, as they'd then stop the bed being in there at all; equally the bathroom cannot lose space, as it is tiny and needs every inch. Putting insulation on the outside would not fit in with the surrounding housing; would require pipework to be re-arranged; would require the roof extending and the guttering moving outwards; and would narrow the driveway past the house making access impossible - I have already had to take cars that I needed to work on or to store off road while my wife was ill and could not drive through, with less than 1" clearance on each side, with the mirrors folded! SteveW You must demolish your house, clearly -- A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes. |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
"RJH" wrote in message ... On 28/09/2019 18:18, Steve Walker wrote: On 28/09/2019 16:28, harry wrote: snip Gas boilers will be no longer for sale. So what will happen to existing housing, that is not well insulated and cannot easily be so, when the existing boiler fails? IIUC, it'll be new build only - can't see a source for the OP's story. It appears to be speculation about what the Tory party conference will come up with. |
Lonely Psychopathic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 06:12:58 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: It appears to be speculation about what the Tory party conference will come up with. And it's ALL none of yours, senile Ozzie pest! ABSOLUTELY none of yours! -- addressing nym-shifting senile Rodent: "You on the other hand are a heavyweight bull****ter who demonstrates your particular prowess at it every day." MID: |
Lonely Psychopathic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 05:57:55 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: What a load of twaddle I bet he has a wood burner in his pad. Its more like a padded cell You KNOW something about padded cells, eh, you clinically insane senile trolling asshole from Oz? -- about senile Rot Speed: "This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage." MID: |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
RJH wrote:
On 28/09/2019 16:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 28/09/2019 15:41, Bill Wright wrote: On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. Building control, Not planners. What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. Yes. The idea is 'renewable' electricity, heat pumps and batteries. It's also only applicable to new builds, which in turn will be insulated properly. District heating maybe, too. And hopefully people will insulate themselves and heat their homes with a little more thought. Its totally insane Well, it'll simply not happen unless the government supports it financially. Where will these new builds be built? The tree huggers object to green field land being used. The supply of brown field land is limit. Due to mass immigration the demand for housing has rocketed. Ditto the demands on services such as schools, hospitals etc which need land, not to mention water, energy, transport, ..... |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On 28/09/2019 19:15, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 28 September 2019 18:18:48 UTC+1, Steve Walker wrote: On 28/09/2019 16:28, harry wrote: On Saturday, 28 September 2019 15:41:37 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote: On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. Bill Well sfb it's very simple. In the end there will be no public distribution of gas, it will be going to highly efficient power stations. (There's no point anyway in having gas to your house for a gas cooker alone.) Gas boilers will be no longer for sale. So what will happen to existing housing, that is not well insulated and cannot easily be so, when the existing boiler fails? How many people will be able to afford to bring their house up to standard and purchase and install a ground source heat pump - especially within a couple of days when the existing system fails? Homes will be heated using heat pumps. As are quite a few around already I notice. And they will have much higher standards of insulation. Where is this insulation going in an existing house when the boiler fails and the only replacements are heat pumps? We have a staircase, kitchen, bathroom and boxroom against the end wall. We cannot fit insulation on the inside, as the stairs would be uncomfortably narrowed; the gap between the doorway and the wall in the boxroom does not allow any loss of space (above about 10mm) without not being able to fit a wardrobe and desk, that cannot be in any other position, as they'd then stop the bed being in there at all; equally the bathroom cannot lose space, as it is tiny and needs every inch. Putting insulation on the outside would not fit in with the surrounding housing; would require pipework to be re-arranged; would require the roof extending and the guttering moving outwards; and would narrow the driveway past the house making access impossible - I have already had to take cars that I needed to work on or to store off road while my wife was ill and could not drive through, with less than 1" clearance on each side, with the mirrors folded! SteveW They will have bigger heat pumps. Ah, so even more expensive and unaffordable to the average householder, especially as an emergency purchase. How many weeks or months to get someone to come and prepare the ground? As a larger pump, needing more input power and running on expensive electricity, it is going to push ther bills up even more, when many cannot afford it now. SteveW |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On 28/09/2019 20:21, RJH wrote:
On 28/09/2019 18:18, Steve Walker wrote: On 28/09/2019 16:28, harry wrote: snip Gas boilers will be no longer for sale. So what will happen to existing housing, that is not well insulated and cannot easily be so, when the existing boiler fails? IIUC, it'll be new build only - can't see a source for the OP's story. It is new build at the moment, but as the market shrinks, manufacturers will stop making gas boilers, even if governments don't ban them completely - look how quickly 4* and then LRP disappeared, leaving people with older, maybe classic vehicles having to use unsuitable unleaded petrol. Now it all has 5% ethanol in and will, at some stage, be going up to 10%, despite E10 fuel attacking the fuel lines and brass components of older fuel systems and severely damaging them. SteveW |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
Steve Walker wrote:
look how quickly 4* and then LRP disappeared, leaving people with older, maybe classic vehicles having to use unsuitable unleaded petrol. There seem to be a slim handful of garages still selling 4* http://www.fbhvc.co.uk/fuels#outcomes |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On 28/09/2019 22:00, Steve Walker wrote:
On 28/09/2019 20:21, RJH wrote: On 28/09/2019 18:18, Steve Walker wrote: On 28/09/2019 16:28, harry wrote: snip Gas boilers will be no longer for sale. So what will happen to existing housing, that is not well insulated and cannot easily be so, when the existing boiler fails? IIUC, it'll be new build only - can't see a source for the OP's story. It is new build at the moment, but as the market shrinks, manufacturers will stop making gas boilers, even if governments don't ban them completely - look how quickly 4* and then LRP disappeared, leaving people with older, maybe classic vehicles having to use unsuitable unleaded petrol. Yes - but that's on a different scale and level of seriousness. 21m households rely on gas for heat, cooking and hot water. Maybe a couple of 1000 motorists affected? Most of whom could convert to standard fuel if they needed to keep the vehicle that badly. I'd think spares will be available for many years after a total ban on new installations. Which is itself many years off (if at all). The most likely sign of phasing in will be hiking of tax rates for domestic gas. Cost will be *the* key driver of change IMHO. Only if it can be shown beyond reasonable doubt that you/yours are affected by gas consumption will the motivation shift and cost start to become less important - bit like smoking. -- Cheers, Rob |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On 29/09/2019 09:26, RJH wrote:
IIRC the ban was on supplying gas to new builds not supplying boilers. |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On 28/09/2019 16:03, Graham. wrote:
On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. Bill Ground source heat pump and Utility overcoats. It will be interesting to see if the ground can recover on an estate with so many bore holes? Around my way housing estates are being build with only postage stamp size gardens. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On 29/09/2019 10:04, dennis@home wrote:
On 29/09/2019 09:26, RJH wrote: IIRC the ban was on supplying gas to new builds not supplying boilers. That'd maybe get one ball rolling - but affect re/sale values. So, without subsidy, homes wouldn't get built in the first place. -- Cheers, Rob |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
Steve Walker wrote:
On 28/09/2019 20:21, RJH wrote: On 28/09/2019 18:18, Steve Walker wrote: On 28/09/2019 16:28, harry wrote: snip Gas boilers will be no longer for sale. So what will happen to existing housing, that is not well insulated and cannot easily be so, when the existing boiler fails? IIUC, it'll be new build only - can't see a source for the OP's story. It is new build at the moment, but as the market shrinks, manufacturers will stop making gas boilers, even if governments don't ban them completely - look how quickly 4* and then LRP disappeared, leaving people with older, maybe classic vehicles having to use unsuitable unleaded petrol. Now it all has 5% ethanol in and will, at some stage, be going up to 10%, despite E10 fuel attacking the fuel lines and brass components of older fuel systems and severely damaging them. SteveW If we are force to switch to electric heating, there is the problem of supplying the power. Not only in terms of generation but delivery. Not all houses have cabling which is adequate for even the added load of a EV charger*, let alone domestic heating. *it is one of the things which was checked under the free charger scheme. Ours was ok, although we needed the main fuses upgrading. One of the things the man who did that mentioned was not all houses had adequate cabling to the house for the additional load. |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On Saturday, 28 September 2019 15:41:37 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote:
On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. Bill So currently we burn gas, recovering over 90% of the heat. Instead someone wants us to turn gas to electricity at around 40% efficiency and with the cost & ungreeness of building & running power stations, and use that to hear houses at 3 or 4 times the cost, and either use 2-2.5x as much gas to do so or drill holes in & freeze the local environment, affecting home grown food crops. You couldn't make it up. |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
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On Saturday, 28 September 2019 15:41:37 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote: On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. Bill So currently we burn gas, recovering over 90% of the heat. Instead someone wants us to turn gas to electricity at around 40% efficiency and with the cost & ungreeness of building & running power stations, and use that to hear houses at 3 or 4 times the cost, and either use 2-2.5x as much gas to do so or drill holes in & freeze the local environment, affecting home grown food crops. You couldn't make it up. Be reasonable. A few decades ago, who would have believed wed have a deranged 16 year old preaching to the UN. After all, when the Nazis used their pig tailed brats to preach their propaganda we were disgusted. Nor should we forget the Nazis were a Socialist party and it is the left who are abusing the Swedish girl now. |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
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Graham. wrote: Ground source heat pump and Utility overcoats. That's going to be ever so easy in the average block of flats. -- *Does fuzzy logic tickle? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
Gas boiler ban brought forward.
On 29/09/2019 10:09, alan_m wrote:
On 28/09/2019 16:03, Graham. wrote: On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all ****ed off you install a gas boiler. What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric will be far too expensive. Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age. Bill Ground source heat pump and Utility overcoats. It will be interesting to see if the ground can recover on an estate with so many bore holes?Â* Around my way housing estates are being build with only postage stamp size gardens. Londoners will be ok. That Super Sewer will hold lots of fementing ****e, so they could put a huge ground source loop down there :-) |
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