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Along a hedge I have a group of five forty-year-old laylandii. Three
have died, probably because they were over-run by ivy. I'm going to pull them out. But what can I put in their place? I want something fast growing. It doesn't matter about the new ones being intruder-resistant because I'm also going to have a strong fence along there. Bill |
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On 23/09/2019 02:08, Bill Wright wrote:
Along a hedge I have a group of five forty-year-old laylandii. Three have died, probably because they were over-run by ivy. I'm going to pull them out. But what can I put in their place? I want something fast growing. It doesn't matter about the new ones being intruder-resistant because I'm also going to have a strong fence along there. Bill Datstest grwires are...leylandii. You might try bay if you want a fast growing evergreen Or bay laurel. Even yew is not that slow - 4"-8" a year. Don't plant holly. You will be dead before it grows and box is another slow grower too., -- "The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him." - Leo Tolstoy |
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On Monday, 23 September 2019 06:59:55 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Don't plant holly. You will be dead before it grows Well, that's tactful. Owain |
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On Monday, 23 September 2019 02:08:57 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote:
Along a hedge I have a group of five forty-year-old laylandii. Three have died, probably because they were over-run by ivy. I'm going to pull them out. But what can I put in their place? I want something fast growing. Willow. Can grow 5 ft in four months. https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?PID=588 Not sure if they will co-exist with leylandii. Owain |
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On 23/09/19 02:08, Bill Wright wrote:
Along a hedge I have a group of five forty-year-old laylandii. Three have died, probably because they were over-run by ivy. I'm going to pull them out. But what can I put in their place? I want something fast growing. It doesn't matter about the new ones being intruder-resistant because I'm also going to have a strong fence along there. Bill How are you going to "pull them out"? Are you going to get pros in who will cut them down, saw/shred, and then stump grind what's left (including the stumps of the dead trees)? Once the stumps and roots have been ground, you will find the soil left is several times the volume it was before the grinding process, and is at a much higher level. It will take some time, and a lot of rain, to return it to normal. Then, what you plant will struggle a bit as the composting process for the ground stump removes nitrogen from he soil. Adding some general fertiliser when you plant the trees should help. As to fast-growing plants to consider, have a look at eucalyptus. There are various species and varieties, all of which are hardy and evergreen, and you can leave them to grow or pollard/stool them if you want. -- Jeff |
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On 23/09/2019 02:08, Bill Wright wrote:
Along a hedge I have a group of five forty-year-old laylandii. Three have died, probably because they were over-run by ivy. I'm going to pull them out. But what can I put in their place? I want something fast growing. It doesn't matter about the new ones being intruder-resistant because I'm also going to have a strong fence along there. Bill Nice thick foliage Cypress - Thuja Plicata. A bit slower growing than Leylandii but really looks nice trimmed, and only have to do it once per year. Added bonus of loverly Cypress smell. |
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On 23/09/2019 07:37, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 06:59:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 23/09/2019 02:08, Bill Wright wrote: Along a hedge I have a group of five forty-year-old laylandii. Three have died, probably because they were over-run by ivy. I'm going to pull them out. But what can I put in their place? I want something fast growing. It doesn't matter about the new ones being intruder-resistant because I'm also going to have a strong fence along there. Bill Datstest grwires are...leylandii. Yes, leylandii are the datstest grwires :-) Besides, it would look odd to have something different there. But it would be worth improving the soil where the old ones were. After 45 years it will be pretty impoverished. Dig in plenty of compost before you plant the new ones, either your own garden stuff if you make it or a bag or two from your local garden centre. Planting leylandii in the same position might be asking for trouble since whatever killed the originals may still be lurking there. Soil fungi pathogens specific to that species is a possibility and the soil will be drained of all the nutrients that leylandii prefer. I can't imagine what it takes to kill a laylandii. I can't see ivy managing to do it. Strangler fig might. Beech isn't a bad relatively fast growing hedge. Cotoneasters have nice berries. Lonicera nitida is a fast grower and clips well. Yew is fairly slow (toxic) and holly is slower still. Chunks of about 3m all the same can look good if you have a long run of hedging and want have something less monotonous than a monoculture of one planting. Holly will eventually get there I allow a few to grow in my hedge along with wild rose, ivy and honeysuckly. I reckon they take about 15 years from seed to get to full hedge height and another 5 to thicken out. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On 23/09/2019 09:26, Andy Bennet wrote:
On 23/09/2019 02:08, Bill Wright wrote: Along a hedge I have a group of five forty-year-old laylandii. Three have died, probably because they were over-run by ivy. I'm going to pull them out. But what can I put in their place? I want something fast growing. It doesn't matter about the new ones being intruder-resistant because I'm also going to have a strong fence along there. Bill Nice thick foliage Cypress - Thuja Plicata. A bit slower growing than Leylandii but really looks nice trimmed, and only have to do it once per year. Added bonus of loverly Cypress smell. Sorry - not Cypress - its Ceder! |
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On 23/09/2019 07:38, wrote:
On Monday, 23 September 2019 02:08:57 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote: Along a hedge I have a group of five forty-year-old laylandii. Three have died, probably because they were over-run by ivy. I'm going to pull them out. But what can I put in their place? I want something fast growing. Willow. Can grow 5 ft in four months. https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?PID=588 Not sure if they will co-exist with leylandii. Owain Willow doesnt hedge. If you want deciduous, beech (or hornbeam on wet heavy clay) is fast and attractive. Hawthorn and blackthorn are traditional Its amazing what camn be made into a hedge. Euonymous, maple,cotoneasters of soem forms, pyracanthas...Viburn tinus is a fast grower and nice to look at. Berberis. Even Osmanthus. -- "If you dont read the news paper, you are un-informed. If you read the news paper, you are mis-informed." Mark Twain |
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On Monday, 23 September 2019 02:08:57 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote:
Along a hedge I have a group of five forty-year-old laylandii. Three have died, probably because they were over-run by ivy. I'm going to pull them out. But what can I put in their place? I want something fast growing. It doesn't matter about the new ones being intruder-resistant because I'm also going to have a strong fence along there. Bill Fast growing = leylandii. If you're not using those, pick some nice edibles & you get lots & lots of free yummy food as well. If you're putting a fence in too, climbers are one other option. NT |
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On 23/09/2019 09:26, Andy Bennet wrote:
On 23/09/2019 02:08, Bill Wright wrote: Along a hedge I have a group of five forty-year-old laylandii. Three have died, probably because they were over-run by ivy. I'm going to pull them out. But what can I put in their place? I want something fast growing. It doesn't matter about the new ones being intruder-resistant because I'm also going to have a strong fence along there. Bill Nice thick foliage Cypress - Thuja Plicata. A bit slower growing than Leylandii but really looks nice trimmed, and only have to do it once per year. Added bonus of loverly Cypress smell. +1, but it's not fast growing. |
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On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 7:28:39 AM UTC+1, wrote:
On Monday, 23 September 2019 06:59:55 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote: Don't plant holly. You will be dead before it grows Well, that's tactful. Owain and it will self seed all around your garden. I think Leylandii would be the fastest growing but make sure the originals didn't die of that disease that attacks leylandii |
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On 23/09/2019 08:15, Jeff Layman wrote:
How are you going to "pull them out"? I'm hoping they will come out if I put a chain on them and tug them with the tractor. Trouble is they are near a retaining wall so the wall might be damaged. Are you going to get pros in who will cut them down, saw/shred, and then stump grind what's left (including the stumps of the dead trees)? No I'll just put them on the bonfire heap. Once the stumps and roots have been ground, you will find the soil left is several times the volume it was before the grinding process, and is at a much higher level. It will take some time, and a lot of rain, to return it to normal. Then, what you plant will struggle a bit as the composting process for the ground stump removes nitrogen from he soil. Adding some general fertiliser when you plant the trees should help. I'm wondering if I sould dig a big hole and put some compost and that in. As to fast-growing plants to consider, have aÂ* look at eucalyptus. There are various species and varieties, all of which are hardy and evergreen, and you can leave them to grow or pollard/stool them if you want. Oh, I'll have a look. Bill |
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On 23/09/2019 13:20, Pancho wrote:
On 23/09/2019 07:28, wrote: On Monday, 23 September 2019 06:59:55 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote: Don't plant holly. You will be dead before it grows Well, that's tactful. Half this group will be dead before laylandii grow ;o) The Brexit half or the Remainer half ? :-) |
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On 23/09/2019 07:37, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 06:59:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 23/09/2019 02:08, Bill Wright wrote: Along a hedge I have a group of five forty-year-old laylandii. Three have died, probably because they were over-run by ivy. I'm going to pull them out. But what can I put in their place? I want something fast growing. It doesn't matter about the new ones being intruder-resistant because I'm also going to have a strong fence along there. Bill Datstest grwires are...leylandii. Yes, leylandii are the datstest grwires :-) Besides, it would look odd to have something different there. But it would be worth improving the soil where the old ones were. After 45 years it will be pretty impoverished. Dig in plenty of compost before you plant the new ones, either your own garden stuff if you make it or a bag or two from your local garden centre. even that Kubota is going to struggle removing the stump of a 45-yo leylandii. Tip for Bill. Leave about 6 foot sticking out above ground, so you have something to apply leverage after you have dug around the base and chopped the roots with an axe. Or hire a bloke with a stump grinder. |
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On 23/09/2019 13:50, Andrew wrote:
On 23/09/2019 13:20, Pancho wrote: On 23/09/2019 07:28, wrote: On Monday, 23 September 2019 06:59:55 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote: Don't plant holly. You will be dead before it grows Well, that's tactful. Half this group will be dead before laylandii grow ;o) The Brexit half or the Remainer half ? :-) Remainers. They are so stressed out Sreiousluy. I planet holly. The only hedge sized on is now 20+ years old. The rest are still knee high, but I hvae Bay that i need ladders to top as well as yew. I really like my viburnum tinus. Winter flowering white, and clips to an evergreen bush or hdege -- "Corbyn talks about equality, justice, opportunity, health care, peace, community, compassion, investment, security, housing...." "What kind of person is not interested in those things?" "Jeremy Corbyn?" |
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On 23/09/2019 13:54, Andrew wrote:
On 23/09/2019 07:37, Chris Hogg wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 06:59:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 23/09/2019 02:08, Bill Wright wrote: Along a hedge I have a group of five forty-year-old laylandii. Three have died, probably because they were over-run by ivy. I'm going to pull them out. But what can I put in their place? I want something fast growing. It doesn't matter about the new ones being intruder-resistant because I'm also going to have a strong fence along there. Bill Datstest grwires are...leylandii. Yes, leylandii are the datstest grwires :-) Besides, it would look odd to have something different there. But it would be worth improving the soil where the old ones were. After 45 years it will be pretty impoverished. Dig in plenty of compost before you plant the new ones, either your own garden stuff if you make it or a bag or two from your local garden centre. even that Kubota is going to struggle removing the stump of a 45-yo leylandii. Tip for Bill. Leave about 6 foot sticking out above ground, so you have something to apply leverage after you have dug around the base and chopped the roots with an axe. Or hire a bloke with a stump grinder. mini digger works So too does fire -- "Nature does not give up the winter because people dislike the cold." ۥ Confucius |
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On Monday, 23 September 2019 13:21:51 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote:
On 23/09/2019 08:15, Jeff Layman wrote: How are you going to "pull them out"? I'm hoping they will come out if I put a chain on them and tug them with the tractor. Trouble is they are near a retaining wall so the wall might be damaged. or destroyed. plus any underground services nearby If they're 45yo you'll need some Large equipment to pull them out. And if it goes wrong the whip-back can take your head off. Are you going to get pros in who will cut them down, saw/shred, and then stump grind what's left (including the stumps of the dead trees)? No I'll just put them on the bonfire heap. Assuming you don't get them pulled out, stumps can be got rid of with a handheld circular saw & hammer. Not quick, but effective. NT |
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On 23/09/19 13:21, Bill Wright wrote:
On 23/09/2019 08:15, Jeff Layman wrote: How are you going to "pull them out"? I'm hoping they will come out if I put a chain on them and tug them with the tractor. Trouble is they are near a retaining wall so the wall might be damaged. I didn't realise that you had access to a tractor, but don't underestimate the root problem. Trees of that age will have an extensive root system. It may not be deep, but it will be far-reaching. See detailed info he https://www.trees.org.uk/Trees.org.uk/files/61/6181f2b7-e35d-4075-832f-5e230d16aa9e.pdf So that wall will be at risk. I had a conifer hedge removed as it was in a terrible state. I guess it was in in excess of 25 years old, as some of the trunks were well over a foot in diameter, and were often twin/triple. The tree branches had not only damaged a fence a couple of feet away, but replacing the panels proved difficult as the damn roots had moved and sometimes slightly rotated the concrete posts, so getting the panels to fit was a challenge (not for me, but the guys fitting them!). Are you going to get pros in who will cut them down, saw/shred, and then stump grind what's left (including the stumps of the dead trees)? No I'll just put them on the bonfire heap. Heh. Dry leylandii will burn really well! You've still got time before 5th November... Once the stumps and roots have been ground, you will find the soil left is several times the volume it was before the grinding process, and is at a much higher level. It will take some time, and a lot of rain, to return it to normal. Then, what you plant will struggle a bit as the composting process for the ground stump removes nitrogen from he soil. Adding some general fertiliser when you plant the trees should help. I'm wondering if I sould dig a big hole and put some compost and that in. If you have access to compost, then that makes sense. As to fast-growing plants to consider, have aÂ* look at eucalyptus. There are various species and varieties, all of which are hardy and evergreen, and you can leave them to grow or pollard/stool them if you want. Oh, I'll have a look. Bill Good luck. -- Jeff |
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On 23/09/2019 14:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Sreiousluy. I planet holly. The only hedge sized on is now 20+ years old. The rest are still knee high, but I hvae Bay that i need ladders to top as well as yew. My experience with Bay is that it remained quite slow growing for many years and then just took off at around 4ft/year. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 02:08:52 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote: Along a hedge I have a group of five forty-year-old laylandii. Three have died, probably because they were over-run by ivy. I'm going to pull them out. But what can I put in their place? I want something fast growing. It doesn't matter about the new ones being intruder-resistant because I'm also going to have a strong fence along there. I thought you were moving funds between different currencies in anticipation of Brexit :-) |
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On 23/09/2019 16:23, alan_m wrote:
On 23/09/2019 14:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote: Sreiousluy. I planet holly. The only hedge sized on is now 20+ years old. The rest are still knee high, but I hvae Bay that i need ladders to top as well as yew. My experience with Bay is that it remained quite slow growing for many years and then just took off at around 4ft/year. There is a 40 feet high one with similar spread on the other side of my back garden fence in a housing association property. It was a potted shrub that was planted outside about 44 years ago according to the old boy who still lives in one of the flats, while the planter has long since joined the carbon-cycle. Now no-one wil accept responsibility for it. Every year it rains berries onto my garden which germinate and grow. There are brambles growing right up through it and then dripping down onto my side of the fence, also dropping berries everywhere. Laurel turns into an effective hedge, possibly too effective. |
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Bill Wright wrote:
Along a hedge I have a group of five forty-year-old laylandii. Three have died, probably because they were over-run by ivy. I'm going to pull them out. But what can I put in their place? I want something fast growing. It doesn't matter about the new ones being intruder-resistant because I'm also going to have a strong fence along there. Bill How goes it Bill? I hope that you are feeling better. |
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On 23/09/2019 07:38, wrote:
On Monday, 23 September 2019 02:08:57 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote: Along a hedge I have a group of five forty-year-old laylandii. Three have died, probably because they were over-run by ivy. I'm going to pull them out. But what can I put in their place? I want something fast growing. Willow. Can grow 5 ft in four months. https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?PID=588 Not sure if they will co-exist with leylandii. What they can NOT do is coexist with drains or houses. Andy |
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Vir Campestris wrote:
On 23/09/2019 07:38, wrote: On Monday, 23 September 2019 02:08:57 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote: Along a hedge I have a group of five forty-year-old laylandii. Three have died, probably because they were over-run by ivy. I'm going to pull them out. But what can I put in their place? I want something fast growing. Willow. Can grow 5 ft in four months. https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?PID=588 Not sure if they will co-exist with leylandii. What they can NOT do is coexist with drains or houses. Andy Eucalyptus is a demon for choking drains too... Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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"Tim+" wrote in message ... Vir Campestris wrote: On 23/09/2019 07:38, wrote: On Monday, 23 September 2019 02:08:57 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote: Along a hedge I have a group of five forty-year-old laylandii. Three have died, probably because they were over-run by ivy. I'm going to pull them out. But what can I put in their place? I want something fast growing. Willow. Can grow 5 ft in four months. https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?PID=588 Not sure if they will co-exist with leylandii. What they can NOT do is coexist with drains or houses. Andy Eucalyptus is a demon for choking drains too... Varies with the eucalyptus, there are thousands of different ones. |
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On Monday, 23 September 2019 13:54:38 UTC+1, Andrew wrote:
On 23/09/2019 07:37, Chris Hogg wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 06:59:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 23/09/2019 02:08, Bill Wright wrote: Along a hedge I have a group of five forty-year-old laylandii. Three have died, probably because they were over-run by ivy. I'm going to pull them out. But what can I put in their place? I want something fast growing. It doesn't matter about the new ones being intruder-resistant because I'm also going to have a strong fence along there. Bill Datstest grwires are...leylandii. Yes, leylandii are the datstest grwires :-) Besides, it would look odd to have something different there. But it would be worth improving the soil where the old ones were. After 45 years it will be pretty impoverished. Dig in plenty of compost before you plant the new ones, either your own garden stuff if you make it or a bag or two from your local garden centre. even that Kubota is going to struggle removing the stump of a 45-yo leylandii. Tip for Bill. Leave about 6 foot sticking out above ground, so you have something to apply leverage after you have dug around the base and chopped the roots with an axe. Or hire a bloke with a stump grinder. Cheaper and easier. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...ree+stumps+out |
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On Tuesday, 24 September 2019 09:07:17 UTC+1, harry wrote:
On Monday, 23 September 2019 13:54:38 UTC+1, Andrew wrote: On 23/09/2019 07:37, Chris Hogg wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 06:59:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 23/09/2019 02:08, Bill Wright wrote: Along a hedge I have a group of five forty-year-old laylandii. Three have died, probably because they were over-run by ivy. I'm going to pull them out. But what can I put in their place? I want something fast growing. It doesn't matter about the new ones being intruder-resistant because I'm also going to have a strong fence along there. Bill Datstest grwires are...leylandii. Yes, leylandii are the datstest grwires :-) Besides, it would look odd to have something different there. But it would be worth improving the soil where the old ones were. After 45 years it will be pretty impoverished. Dig in plenty of compost before you plant the new ones, either your own garden stuff if you make it or a bag or two from your local garden centre. even that Kubota is going to struggle removing the stump of a 45-yo leylandii. Tip for Bill. Leave about 6 foot sticking out above ground, so you have something to apply leverage after you have dug around the base and chopped the roots with an axe. Or hire a bloke with a stump grinder. Cheaper and easier. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...ree+stumps+out slow though. A saw's faster. |
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Bill Wright wrote:
Along a hedge I have a group of five forty-year-old laylandii. Three have died, probably because they were over-run by ivy. I'm going to pull them out. But what can I put in their place? I want something fast growing. Not like you to be thinking short term Bill. Moving house? Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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On 24/09/2019 09:56, Tim+ wrote:
Bill Wright wrote: Along a hedge I have a group of five forty-year-old laylandii. Three have died, probably because they were over-run by ivy. I'm going to pull them out. But what can I put in their place? I want something fast growing. Not like you to be thinking short term Bill. Moving house? Tim This is te asnwer! https://www.primrose.co.uk/buxus-art...cPath=318_2315 -- Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. Mark Twain |
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On 24/09/2019 09:07, harry wrote:
On Monday, 23 September 2019 13:54:38 UTC+1, Andrew wrote: On 23/09/2019 07:37, Chris Hogg wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 06:59:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 23/09/2019 02:08, Bill Wright wrote: Along a hedge I have a group of five forty-year-old laylandii. Three have died, probably because they were over-run by ivy. I'm going to pull them out. But what can I put in their place? I want something fast growing. It doesn't matter about the new ones being intruder-resistant because I'm also going to have a strong fence along there. Bill Datstest grwires are...leylandii. Yes, leylandii are the datstest grwires :-) Besides, it would look odd to have something different there. But it would be worth improving the soil where the old ones were. After 45 years it will be pretty impoverished. Dig in plenty of compost before you plant the new ones, either your own garden stuff if you make it or a bag or two from your local garden centre. even that Kubota is going to struggle removing the stump of a 45-yo leylandii. Tip for Bill. Leave about 6 foot sticking out above ground, so you have something to apply leverage after you have dug around the base and chopped the roots with an axe. Or hire a bloke with a stump grinder. Cheaper and easier. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...ree+stumps+out Yeah great. All you need to do is move to America where the ground is tinder dry and it will work. I have burned out a pear tree stump using potassium nitrate to preload it so it will smoulder deep underground. His solution basically lopps it off at just below ground level and probably only really works for resinous pine trees at that. It might just work on leylandii stumps if he loads them up with KNO3 during the winter and waits until a long dry midsummer spell to set light. Eventually I had to dig the remaining roots out anyway since they started sprouting suckers from each detached underground piece. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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