Hi All,

A friend was around yesterday and she was describing an issue she is having with one of her lights. In the bathroom she has a number of spot lights (believed to by 240v) and when switch on, all lights come on as normal. When she turns them off, one of the lights flashes on and off continually. It would appear as though this is fully on then fully off (i.e. not dim).

This has only recently started to happen and no work has been done on the house to suddenly cause it. I did wonder if for some reason an emergency light was fitted (i.e. as in offices where they come on in the event of power loss) but apparently they are all the same and no little led lights on them to indicate these.

I can not think of anything that could cause this behaviour. Anyone have any ideas?

thanks

Lee.

Lee Nowell wrote in
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Hi All,

A friend was around yesterday and she was describing an issue she is
having with one of her lights. In the bathroom she has a number of
spot lights (believed to by 240v) and when switch on, all lights come
on as normal. When she turns them off, one of the lights flashes on
and off continually. It would appear as though this is fully on then
fully off (i.e. not dim).

This has only recently started to happen and no work has been done on
the house to suddenly cause it. I did wonder if for some reason an
emergency light was fitted (i.e. as in offices where they come on in
the event of power loss) but apparently they are all the same and no
little led lights on them to indicate these.

I can not think of anything that could cause this behaviour. Anyone
have any ideas?

thanks

Lee.


So - you imply a dimmer switch is in the circuit? /Is it a touch or
remote type?

Sorry didn't mean to imply dimmer. Was trying to say that the on state when flashing seems to imply mains live and not some sort of residual current from somewhere (where I would have assumed the bulb would be dim).

Lee Nowell wrote:

In the bathroom she has a number of spot lights (believed to by
240v) and when switch on, all lights come on as normal. When she
turns them off, one of the lights flashes on and off continually.
Has one of the incandescent or CFLs have been replaced with an LED? if
the cables to the light run parallel to other cables they could have
enough capacitance that lets the PSU inside the LED slowly "suck up"
enough power to give a brief flash, then rinse and repeat.

Another possibility, is if the lamps turn out to be 12V halogens with a
transformer, rather than 240V, a transformer might have gone faulty.

On Friday, 23 August 2019 14:59:04 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
Lee Nowell wrote:

In the bathroom she has a number of spot lights (believed to by
240v) and when switch on, all lights come on as normal. When she
turns them off, one of the lights flashes on and off continually.
Has one of the incandescent or CFLs have been replaced with an LED? if
the cables to the light run parallel to other cables they could have
enough capacitance that lets the PSU inside the LED slowly "suck up"
enough power to give a brief flash, then rinse and repeat.

Another possibility, is if the lamps turn out to be 12V halogens with a
transformer, rather than 240V, a transformer might have gone faulty.

Will check the LED.... I too was originally thinking dud transformer but then was thinking that might be the case if the light flashed on a few times due to the capacitance on the transformer but given it apparently goes on "for ever" I ruled that out. Have got her to send me some photos too which may unpick things

On 23/08/2019 13:38, Lee Nowell wrote:
Hi All,

A friend was around yesterday and she was describing an issue she is having with one of her lights. In the bathroom she has a number of spot lights (believed to by 240v) and when switch on, all lights come on as normal. When she turns them off, one of the lights flashes on and off continually. It would appear as though this is fully on then fully off (i.e. not dim).

This has only recently started to happen and no work has been done on the house to suddenly cause it. I did wonder if for some reason an emergency light was fitted (i.e. as in offices where they come on in the event of power loss) but apparently they are all the same and no little led lights on them to indicate these.

I can not think of anything that could cause this behaviour. Anyone have any ideas?

I can think of dozens

thanks

Lee.



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On 23/08/2019 14:15, Lee Nowell wrote:
Sorry didn't mean to imply dimmer. Was trying to say that the on
state when flashing seems to imply mains live and not some sort of
residual current from somewhere (where I would have assumed the bulb
would be dim).

Not if its an LED.

Or a fluorecscent



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On 23/08/2019 14:58, Andy Burns wrote:
Lee Nowell wrote:

In the bathroom she has a number of spot lights (believed to by 240v)
and when switch on, all lights come on as normal. When she
turns them off, one of the lights flashes on and off continually.
Has one of the incandescent or CFLs have been replaced with an LED?Â* if
the cables to the light run parallel to other cables they could have
enough capacitance that lets the PSU inside the LED slowly "suck up"
enough power to give a brief flash, then rinse and repeat.

Another possibility, is if the lamps turn out to be 12V halogens with a
transformer, rather than 240V, a transformer might have gone faulty.

If it has, take it out and patent it.

A transformer that produces voltage on the incendiary with the primary
underpowered would be worth billions and a Nobel prize.


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€• Jean Claus Jüncker

On Friday, 23 August 2019 13:38:33 UTC+1, Lee Nowell wrote:
Hi All,

A friend was around yesterday and she was describing an issue she is having with one of her lights. In the bathroom she has a number of spot lights (believed to by 240v) and when switch on, all lights come on as normal. When she turns them off, one of the lights flashes on and off continually. It would appear as though this is fully on then fully off (i.e. not dim).

This has only recently started to happen and no work has been done on the house to suddenly cause it. I did wonder if for some reason an emergency light was fitted (i.e. as in offices where they come on in the event of power loss) but apparently they are all the same and no little led lights on them to indicate these.

I can not think of anything that could cause this behaviour. Anyone have any ideas?

thanks

Lee.

Possibles:
1. Leakage R in bulb has gone o/c, now it's powering from capacitive cable coupling
2. dodgy switch or wiring


NT

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On Friday, 23 August 2019 13:38:33 UTC+1, Lee Nowell wrote:
Hi All,

A friend was around yesterday and she was describing an issue she is
having with one of her lights. In the bathroom she has a number of spot
lights (believed to by 240v) and when switch on, all lights come on as
normal. When she turns them off, one of the lights flashes on and off
continually. It would appear as though this is fully on then fully off
(i.e. not dim).

This has only recently started to happen and no work has been done on the
house to suddenly cause it. I did wonder if for some reason an emergency
light was fitted (i.e. as in offices where they come on in the event of
power loss) but apparently they are all the same and no little led lights
on them to indicate these.

I can not think of anything that could cause this behaviour. Anyone have
any ideas?

thanks

Lee.

Possibles:
1. Leakage R in bulb has gone o/c, now it's powering from capacitive cable
coupling

2. dodgy switch or wiring

Never seen a dodgy switch or wiring do anything like that. Dont believe it.

Well first swap the lamp between sockets. If it moves then its the lamp. I'm
assuming these are LEDs?
Brian

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"Lee Nowell" wrote in message
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Hi All,

A friend was around yesterday and she was describing an issue she is having
with one of her lights. In the bathroom she has a number of spot lights
(believed to by 240v) and when switch on, all lights come on as normal.
When she turns them off, one of the lights flashes on and off continually.
It would appear as though this is fully on then fully off (i.e. not dim).

This has only recently started to happen and no work has been done on the
house to suddenly cause it. I did wonder if for some reason an emergency
light was fitted (i.e. as in offices where they come on in the event of
power loss) but apparently they are all the same and no little led lights on
them to indicate these.

I can not think of anything that could cause this behaviour. Anyone have any
ideas?

thanks

Lee.

Dodgy spell check, must be related to mine. Yes I agree something like that
has to be rather more than a faulty transformer.

Swapping bulbs will prove the point and reveal the culprit as I said.
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On 23/08/2019 14:58, Andy Burns wrote:
Lee Nowell wrote:

In the bathroom she has a number of spot lights (believed to by 240v)
and when switch on, all lights come on as normal. When she
turns them off, one of the lights flashes on and off continually.
Has one of the incandescent or CFLs have been replaced with an LED? if
the cables to the light run parallel to other cables they could have
enough capacitance that lets the PSU inside the LED slowly "suck up"
enough power to give a brief flash, then rinse and repeat.

Another possibility, is if the lamps turn out to be 12V halogens with a
transformer, rather than 240V, a transformer might have gone faulty.

If it has, take it out and patent it.

A transformer that produces voltage on the incendiary with the primary
underpowered would be worth billions and a Nobel prize.


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I can recall many years ago when Leds were in their infancy the almost on
problem afflicted on, and the fix, in the end was a 1 megohm resistor across
the socket.
Weird things LEDs.
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On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 18:57:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 23/08/2019 14:58, Andy Burns wrote:
Lee Nowell wrote:

In the bathroom she has a number of spot lights (believed to by 240v)
and when switch on, all lights come on as normal. When she
turns them off, one of the lights flashes on and off continually.
Has one of the incandescent or CFLs have been replaced with an LED? if
the cables to the light run parallel to other cables they could have
enough capacitance that lets the PSU inside the LED slowly "suck up"
enough power to give a brief flash, then rinse and repeat.

Another possibility, is if the lamps turn out to be 12V halogens with a
transformer, rather than 240V, a transformer might have gone faulty.

If it has, take it out and patent it.

A transformer that produces voltage on the incendiary with the primary
^^^^^^^^^^
underpowered would be worth billions and a Nobel prize.
^^^
chuckle

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On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:57:31 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Possibles:
1. Leakage R in bulb has gone o/c, now it's powering from capacitive cable
coupling

2. dodgy switch or wiring

Never seen a dodgy switch or wiring do anything like that. Don¢t believe it.

Like which sane person gives a **** what you saw or didn't see, or believe
and don't believe?

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On 24/08/2019 06:57, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote in message
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On Friday, 23 August 2019 13:38:33 UTC+1, Lee NowellÂ* wrote:

Hi All,

A friend was around yesterday and she was describing an issue she is
having with one of her lights.Â* In the bathroom she has a number of
spot lights (believed to by 240v) and when switch on, all lights come
on as normal.Â* When she turns them off, one of the lights flashes on
and off continually.Â* It would appear as though this is fully on then
fully off (i.e. not dim).

This has only recently started to happen and no work has been done on
the house to suddenly cause it.Â* I did wonder if for some reason an
emergency light was fitted (i.e. as in offices where they come on in
the event of power loss) but apparently they are all the same and no
little led lights on them to indicate these.

I can not think of anything that could cause this behaviour. Anyone
have any ideas?

thanks

Possibles:
1. Leakage R in bulb has gone o/c, now it's powering from capacitive
cable coupling

2. dodgy switch or wiring

Never seen a dodgy switch or wiring do anything like that. Dont believe
it.

The place I was at before had a weird switch in the bedroom with a dial
and stuff which I assume was to turn the lights on and off arbitrarily
to confuse burglars. I could never work it out, but some (but not all)
CFLs used to flicker continuously when the switch was off - I assume
that the electronics used the load as a return connection as switches
usually only have access to the line connection.

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On 24/08/2019 06:57, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote in message
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On Friday, 23 August 2019 13:38:33 UTC+1, Lee Nowell wrote:

Hi All,

A friend was around yesterday and she was describing an issue she is
having with one of her lights. In the bathroom she has a number of
spot lights (believed to by 240v) and when switch on, all lights come
on as normal. When she turns them off, one of the lights flashes on
and off continually. It would appear as though this is fully on then
fully off (i.e. not dim).

This has only recently started to happen and no work has been done on
the house to suddenly cause it. I did wonder if for some reason an
emergency light was fitted (i.e. as in offices where they come on in
the event of power loss) but apparently they are all the same and no
little led lights on them to indicate these.

I can not think of anything that could cause this behaviour. Anyone
have any ideas?

thanks

Possibles:
1. Leakage R in bulb has gone o/c, now it's powering from capacitive
cable coupling

2. dodgy switch or wiring

Never seen a dodgy switch or wiring do anything like that. Dont believe
it.

The place I was at before had a weird switch in the bedroom with a dial
and stuff which I assume was to turn the lights on and off arbitrarily to
confuse burglars. I could never work it out, but some (but not all) CFLs
used to flicker continuously when the switch was off - I assume that the
electronics used the load as a return connection as switches usually only
have access to the line connection.

Sure, but thats nothing like the repeated fully on and fully off she sees.

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Sure, but

Sure, but NOBODY even talked to you, cretin!

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On 24/08/2019 06:57, Rod Speed wrote:

Never seen a dodgy switch or wiring do anything like that. Dont believe
it.

I once had a failed switch with carbonised contacts caused by long term
arcing.

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alan_m wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Never seen a dodgy switch or wiring do anything like that. Dont believe
it.

I once had a failed switch with carbonised contacts caused by long term
arcing.

Sure, but that doesnt see the light keep flashing fully on and fully off
when its switched off.

On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 16:27:42 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


I once had a failed switch with carbonised contacts caused by long term
arcing.

Sure, but that doesn¢t see the light keep flashing fully on and fully off
when its switched off.

I'll eventually switch YOU off, senile pest! Just wait and see! LOL

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On Thursday, 29 August 2019 07:27:54 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
alan_m wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Never seen a dodgy switch or wiring do anything like that. Dont believe
it.

I once had a failed switch with carbonised contacts caused by long term
arcing.

Sure, but that doesnt see the light keep flashing fully on and fully off
when its switched off.

Sounds like something is acting like a bi-=metalic strip or perhaps a spider ;-)

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On Thursday, 29 August 2019 07:27:54 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
alan_m wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Never seen a dodgy switch or wiring do anything like that. Dont
believe
it.

I once had a failed switch with carbonised contacts caused by long term
arcing.

Sure, but that doesnt see the light keep flashing fully on and fully off
when its switched off.

Sounds like something is acting like a bi-=metalic strip

Yeah, tho those arent normally very fast. Forget if the op said how fast it
toggles.

or perhaps a spider ;-)

Unlikely too many spider would keep doing it over and over again.
A monkey might but you dont get too many of those inside a light switch.

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 07:25:21 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Yeah, tho those arent normally very fast. Forget if the op said how fast it
toggles.

or perhaps a spider ;-)

Unlikely too many spider would keep doing it over and over again.
A monkey might but you don¢t get too many of those inside a light switch.

What a load of retarded bull**** again! tsk

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On 29/08/2019 22:25, Rod Speed wrote:

A monkey might but you dont get too many of those inside a light switch.

How many monkeys does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Two, but they have to be very small.


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alan_m wrote
Rod Speed wrote

A monkey might but you dont get too many of those inside a light switch.

How many monkeys does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Two, but they have to be very small.

I'd have you publicly flogged again if you hadn't enjoyed that so much the
last time, boy.

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


I'd have you publicly flogged again if you hadn't enjoyed that so much the
last time, boy.

It was YOU who got publicly flogged with this website dedicated to your
insipid trolling, senile Rodent:

https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/

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