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CD to MP3
When I got my present car a year or so ago, discovered the ICE package has
an USB input. Ripping CDs to MP3 on a USB stick works a treat. Did some 30 of my favourite CDs (pretty old) - and all the album, artist, and track names appeared on the ICE screen. Decided to add some more yesterday. All the info 'unknown' Did all this on the same Win7 laptop using WMP (I think) Where did it find all the info displayed for the earlier CDs ? And why not for a new ones? -- *Oh, what a tangled website we weave when first we practice * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
CD to MP3
On 15/08/2019 15:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
When I got my present car a year or so ago, discovered the ICE package has an USB input. Ripping CDs to MP3 on a USB stick works a treat. Did some 30 of my favourite CDs (pretty old) - and all the album, artist, and track names appeared on the ICE screen. Decided to add some more yesterday. All the info 'unknown' Did all this on the same Win7 laptop using WMP (I think) Where did it find all the info displayed for the earlier CDs ? And why not for a new ones? think when you do that the info on tracks etc comes from the internet check your settings...... |
CD to MP3
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
When I got my present car a year or so ago, discovered the ICE package has an USB input. Ripping CDs to MP3 on a USB stick works a treat. Did some 30 of my favourite CDs (pretty old) - and all the album, artist, and track names appeared on the ICE screen. Decided to add some more yesterday. All the info 'unknown' did you rip using the same software? or forget to tick the "lookup on gracenote/cddb" option, or maybe you ran the old files through a separate "ID3 tagger", maybe Windows Media Player can do that "by accident" |
CD to MP3
Windows media player is a nightmare, even Itunes can manage to get titles.
Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Andy Burns" wrote in message ... Dave Plowman (News) wrote: When I got my present car a year or so ago, discovered the ICE package has an USB input. Ripping CDs to MP3 on a USB stick works a treat. Did some 30 of my favourite CDs (pretty old) - and all the album, artist, and track names appeared on the ICE screen. Decided to add some more yesterday. All the info 'unknown' did you rip using the same software? or forget to tick the "lookup on gracenote/cddb" option, or maybe you ran the old files through a separate "ID3 tagger", maybe Windows Media Player can do that "by accident" |
CD to MP3
"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
... On 15/08/2019 15:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: When I got my present car a year or so ago, discovered the ICE package has an USB input. Ripping CDs to MP3 on a USB stick works a treat. Did some 30 of my favourite CDs (pretty old) - and all the album, artist, and track names appeared on the ICE screen. Decided to add some more yesterday. All the info 'unknown' Did all this on the same Win7 laptop using WMP (I think) Where did it find all the info displayed for the earlier CDs ? And why not for a new ones? think when you do that the info on tracks etc comes from the internet check your settings...... It's always amazed me that when the CD standard was devised in the late 70s, they didn't reserve a few bytes in the disc's track index for the disc name and artist, and the name of each track. A couple of kB of that data wouldn't have reduced the amount of music data that could be stored by more than a second. But yes, CD-ripping software needs to identify each disc (by the combination of track lengths, which is why you occasionally get false matches) and then look up the track details in a master database. iTunes is crowdfunded: if people fill in the details manually, it gets uploaded to a master database somewhere that gets downloaded when other people rip the same disc. Other ripping packages probably use a similar mechanism. |
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Andy Burns wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: When I got my present car a year or so ago, discovered the ICE package has an USB input. Ripping CDs to MP3 on a USB stick works a treat. Did some 30 of my favourite CDs (pretty old) - and all the album, artist, and track names appeared on the ICE screen. Decided to add some more yesterday. All the info 'unknown' did you rip using the same software? or forget to tick the "lookup on gracenote/cddb" option, or maybe you ran the old files through a separate "ID3 tagger", maybe Windows Media Player can do that "by accident" I think it must be the same software, as comes with Win7 pro. No Nero or whatever I can find on the machine. -- *Lawyers believe a man is innocent until proven broke. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Brian Gaff wrote: Two things. First some cds have it in hidden text on other machines you need to interrogate an online database called cddb. If they are home made cds then unless you put the titles in and enabled cd text on writing and did them disc at once not track at once things can get lost. All commercial CDs. Most of the first catch I did likely favourites from the 80s. The ones I did yesterday, new. -- *When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
CD to MP3
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NY wrote: It's always amazed me that when the CD standard was devised in the late 70s, they didn't reserve a few bytes in the disc's track index for the disc name and artist, and the name of each track. A couple of kB of that data wouldn't have reduced the amount of music data that could be stored by more than a second. There is plenty room on a CD for that text. IIRC, the original 74 minute red book maximum was set by the maximum running time of a US NTSC U-Matic tape - used then for digital recording. -- *Black holes are where God divided by zero * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
CD to MP3
On 15/08/2019 18:26, NY wrote:
"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... On 15/08/2019 15:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: When I got my present car a year or so ago, discovered the ICE package has an USB input. Ripping CDs to MP3 on a USB stick works a treat. Did some 30 of my favourite CDs (pretty old) - and all the album, artist, and track names appeared on the ICE screen. Decided to add some more yesterday. All the info 'unknown' Did all this on the same Win7 laptop using WMP (I think) Where did it find all the info displayed for the earlier CDs ? And why not for a new ones? think when you do that the info on tracks etc comes from the internet check your settings...... It's always amazed me that when the CD standard was devised in the late 70s, they didn't reserve a few bytes in the disc's track index for the disc name and artist, and the name of each track. A couple of kB of that data wouldn't have reduced the amount of music data that could be stored by more than a second. They did, but CD player manufacturers didn't bother to make use of it so CD masterers stopped putting the information on the CDs. Music CDs you burn yourself may have stuff put on, such as "Custom Music CD" for the CD title and track names based on the file names of the tracks. CD rippers such as FreeRIP will show such information. -- Max Demian |
CD to MP3
Well all new ones have it encoded, but I notice that CDEX itself asks you on
a menu if you want to import that data. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Brian Gaff wrote: Two things. First some cds have it in hidden text on other machines you need to interrogate an online database called cddb. If they are home made cds then unless you put the titles in and enabled cd text on writing and did them disc at once not track at once things can get lost. All commercial CDs. Most of the first catch I did likely favourites from the 80s. The ones I did yesterday, new. -- *When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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But they did. I had the red book and there was spare space, what there was
not was a standard of how to use it for metadata. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , NY wrote: It's always amazed me that when the CD standard was devised in the late 70s, they didn't reserve a few bytes in the disc's track index for the disc name and artist, and the name of each track. A couple of kB of that data wouldn't have reduced the amount of music data that could be stored by more than a second. There is plenty room on a CD for that text. IIRC, the original 74 minute red book maximum was set by the maximum running time of a US NTSC U-Matic tape - used then for digital recording. -- *Black holes are where God divided by zero * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
CD to MP3
Well had no issues with recent cds like the Cilla and the Liverpool Phil,
the most recent purchases all have it on the disc. There was a gap and also some self published ones did not have it. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Max Demian" wrote in message ... On 15/08/2019 18:26, NY wrote: "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... On 15/08/2019 15:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: When I got my present car a year or so ago, discovered the ICE package has an USB input. Ripping CDs to MP3 on a USB stick works a treat. Did some 30 of my favourite CDs (pretty old) - and all the album, artist, and track names appeared on the ICE screen. Decided to add some more yesterday. All the info 'unknown' Did all this on the same Win7 laptop using WMP (I think) Where did it find all the info displayed for the earlier CDs ? And why not for a new ones? think when you do that the info on tracks etc comes from the internet check your settings...... It's always amazed me that when the CD standard was devised in the late 70s, they didn't reserve a few bytes in the disc's track index for the disc name and artist, and the name of each track. A couple of kB of that data wouldn't have reduced the amount of music data that could be stored by more than a second. They did, but CD player manufacturers didn't bother to make use of it so CD masterers stopped putting the information on the CDs. Music CDs you burn yourself may have stuff put on, such as "Custom Music CD" for the CD title and track names based on the file names of the tracks. CD rippers such as FreeRIP will show such information. -- Max Demian |
CD to MP3
On 15/08/2019 15:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
When I got my present car a year or so ago, discovered the ICE package has an USB input. Ripping CDs to MP3 on a USB stick works a treat. Did some 30 of my favourite CDs (pretty old) - and all the album, artist, and track names appeared on the ICE screen. Decided to add some more yesterday. All the info 'unknown' Did all this on the same Win7 laptop using WMP (I think) Where did it find all the info displayed for the earlier CDs ? And why not for a new ones? My cd player used to display track info and it didn't have an internet connection so it got the info from somewhere, I suspect it was the CD. |
CD to MP3
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... When I got my present car a year or so ago, discovered the ICE package has an USB input. Ripping CDs to MP3 on a USB stick works a treat. Did some 30 of my favourite CDs (pretty old) - and all the album, artist, and track names appeared on the ICE screen. Decided to add some more yesterday. All the info 'unknown' Did all this on the same Win7 laptop using WMP (I think) Where did it find all the info displayed for the earlier CDs ? And why not for a new ones? Some CDs have that data on them. Some rippers can get it off the net when the CD doesnt have it on the CD. |
CD to MP3
On Thursday, 15 August 2019 18:26:48 UTC+1, NY wrote:
It's always amazed me that when the CD standard was devised in the late 70s, they didn't reserve a few bytes in the disc's track index for the disc name and artist, and the name of each track. A couple of kB of that data wouldn't have reduced the amount of music data that could be stored by more than a second. the idea that a computer would be cheap enough to incorporate into a player was not foreseen. Computers cost serious money in the 70s, and very few had access to one. The idea seemed wholly unrealistic back then - and it was. NT |
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On 15/08/2019 20:36, Brian Gaff wrote:
Well had no issues with recent cds like the Cilla and the Liverpool Phil, the most recent purchases all have it on the disc. There was a gap and also some self published ones did not have it. How did you read the text data? -- Max Demian |
More Heavy Trolling by Senile Nym-Shifting Rodent Speed!
On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 07:26:55 +1000, jeikppkywk, better known as
cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote: Some CDs have that data on them. Some rippers can get it off the net when the CD doesnąt have it on the CD. That was already answered, senile Rodent! Just what in hell makes you believe anyone's answer is only valid when YOU confirm it, you self-opinionated, self-important senile asshole? -- Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 85-year-old trolling senile cretin from Oz: https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/ |
CD to MP3
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 7:12:05 PM UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , NY wrote: It's always amazed me that when the CD standard was devised in the late 70s, they didn't reserve a few bytes in the disc's track index for the disc name and artist, and the name of each track. A couple of kB of that data wouldn't have reduced the amount of music data that could be stored by more than a second. There is plenty room on a CD for that text. IIRC, the original 74 minute red book maximum was set by the maximum running time of a US NTSC U-Matic tape - used then for digital recording. Urban myth say 74 minutes was the length of the Sony boss's wife's favourite symphony - Beethoven's Ninth. One of the things about getting track data from cddb is that, like Wikipedia, the information is volunteered by the public and, like Wikipedia, needs to be checked vary carefully. I don't need or want things like "(2018 remixed version)" added to track titles. |
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Jethro_uk wrote:
It's all a bit of a dark art. My ICE (Citroen) seems to pull the displayed information from it's arse ... no matter what I use to create the tracks (on a USB stick). Whatever it is, it manages to display the least useful part of the metadata possible. My Ford is much the same, very fussy about how the stick is created, then completely ignores my genre allocations and invents its own. Don't mention playlists. :-( Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK @ChrisJDixon1 Plant amazing Acers. |
CD to MP3
On 15/08/2019 15:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
When I got my present car a year or so ago, discovered the ICE package has an USB input. Ripping CDs to MP3 on a USB stick works a treat. Did some 30 of my favourite CDs (pretty old) - and all the album, artist, and track names appeared on the ICE screen. Decided to add some more yesterday. All the info 'unknown' Did all this on the same Win7 laptop using WMP (I think) Where did it find all the info displayed for the earlier CDs ? And why not for a new ones? Try ripping something that you have already tried and see if you get the correct track listing. The lists often come from an internet data base which probably has to be configured in some settings and/or you have changed a menu option to look locally rather than on the remote data base. There should be no difference between finding the track data etc. for something produced 20 years ago and for something recorded on CD in the last week. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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Jethro_uk wrote: On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 15:47:48 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: When I got my present car a year or so ago, discovered the ICE package has an USB input. Ripping CDs to MP3 on a USB stick works a treat. Did some 30 of my favourite CDs (pretty old) - and all the album, artist, and track names appeared on the ICE screen. Decided to add some more yesterday. All the info 'unknown' Did all this on the same Win7 laptop using WMP (I think) Where did it find all the info displayed for the earlier CDs ? And why not for a new ones? It's all a bit of a dark art. My ICE (Citroen) seems to pull the displayed information from it's arse ... no matter what I use to create the tracks (on a USB stick). Whatever it is, it manages to display the least useful part of the metadata possible. It's not just on the car, though. Looking at the USB stick on the laptop, and the files say untitled on the new ones. -- *I'm really easy to get along with once people learn to worship me Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Halmyre wrote: There is plenty room on a CD for that text. IIRC, the original 74 minute red book maximum was set by the maximum running time of a US NTSC U-Matic tape - used then for digital recording. Urban myth say 74 minutes was the length of the Sony boss's wife's favourite symphony - Beethoven's Ninth. I prefer the U-Matic theory. They were the original PCM recorders. A standard video machine with an add on box. -- *I am a nobody, and nobody is perfect; therefore I am perfect* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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alan_m wrote: On 15/08/2019 15:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: When I got my present car a year or so ago, discovered the ICE package has an USB input. Ripping CDs to MP3 on a USB stick works a treat. Did some 30 of my favourite CDs (pretty old) - and all the album, artist, and track names appeared on the ICE screen. Decided to add some more yesterday. All the info 'unknown' Did all this on the same Win7 laptop using WMP (I think) Where did it find all the info displayed for the earlier CDs ? And why not for a new ones? Try ripping something that you have already tried and see if you get the correct track listing. Don't even need to rip it as the info appeared before doing so. After inserting the CD. But I will find one I've already ripped and has the info and see if it does the same again. I've not changed any settings. The lists often come from an internet data base which probably has to be configured in some settings and/or you have changed a menu option to look locally rather than on the remote data base. There should be no difference between finding the track data etc. for something produced 20 years ago and for something recorded on CD in the last week. -- *IF A PARSLEY FARMER IS SUED, CAN THEY GARNISH HIS WAGES? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
CD to MP3
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Jethro_uk wrote: On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 15:47:48 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: When I got my present car a year or so ago, discovered the ICE package has an USB input. Ripping CDs to MP3 on a USB stick works a treat. Did some 30 of my favourite CDs (pretty old) - and all the album, artist, and track names appeared on the ICE screen. Decided to add some more yesterday. All the info 'unknown' Did all this on the same Win7 laptop using WMP (I think) Where did it find all the info displayed for the earlier CDs ? And why not for a new ones? You need something like musicbrainz picard, which manages audio file tagging. However be prepared to download, learn how to use, swap tags for filenames (and vice versa) and then gasp in wonder as your ICE just makes **** up anyway. After many hours of messing (excluding the trips to the car to test it ...) I reckon it would have been simpler and quicker to simply record myself reading the title and prepending it to the audio file to aid in selection :) I've found Exact Audio Copy which claims to be able to look up the data and insert it fairly painlessly to the MP3 files. Although there is a one off payment for the database (after a trial period) But not got it to work yet. Googling found that WMP used to be able to do the same thing - but not supported anymore on Win7. Still no closer to finding out just why some of my old CDs seemed to provided this data. But not any new ones. (If I'd had to do something to download the data I'd have remembered how) -- *Gravity is a myth, the earth sucks * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
CD to MP3
On 15/08/2019 15:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
When I got my present car a year or so ago, discovered the ICE package has an USB input. Ripping CDs to MP3 on a USB stick works a treat. Did some 30 of my favourite CDs (pretty old) - and all the album, artist, and track names appeared on the ICE screen. Decided to add some more yesterday. All the info 'unknown' Did all this on the same Win7 laptop using WMP (I think) Where did it find all the info displayed for the earlier CDs ? And why not for a new ones? It will probably have come from one of the internet CDDB databases. One of them morphed into Gracenote (http://www.gracenote.com/. You may wish to use Freedb instead (http://www.freedb.org/). Check the settings in your ripping software. You usually need to supply an email address as well. Some CDs have CD-text on, which means a freedb lookup isn't needed. Occaisionally, you'll find a CD that isn't in the DB and you have to edit the text manually :-( |
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