SWMBO wants an illuminated, demisting bathroom mirror on the wall. I have
agreed proviing ith has a shaver socket.

My question is about wiring it. It will be fitted almost where a Shaver
Transformer is currently.

I would like to remove the existing transformer and use the wiring (off
lighting circuit) to power the mirror.

The transformer has 3 lives and 3 neutrals looped into the back box.

I would like to end up with the backbox covered over and the flex from the
mirror terminated under that cover.

Any suggrestions for doing it correctly?

An alternative may be to pull the 3 cables up into the loft, join them in a
junction box and take a single cable down to the back box. However the
cables are in an area of very restricted working space.

On 28/07/2019 10:26, DerbyBorn wrote:
SWMBO wants an illuminated, demisting bathroom mirror on the wall. I have
agreed proviing ith has a shaver socket.

My question is about wiring it. It will be fitted almost where a Shaver
Transformer is currently.

I would like to remove the existing transformer and use the wiring (off
lighting circuit) to power the mirror.

The transformer has 3 lives and 3 neutrals looped into the back box.

I would like to end up with the backbox covered over and the flex from the
mirror terminated under that cover.

Any suggrestions for doing it correctly?

An alternative may be to pull the 3 cables up into the loft, join them in a
junction box and take a single cable down to the back box. However the
cables are in an area of very restricted working space.


If you could fit a blank plate with a hole drilled in it for the flex
then do that. Wagos or strip connector will be fine.


--
Adam

ARW wrote in
:

On 28/07/2019 10:26, DerbyBorn wrote:
SWMBO wants an illuminated, demisting bathroom mirror on the wall. I
have agreed proviing ith has a shaver socket.

My question is about wiring it. It will be fitted almost where a
Shaver Transformer is currently.

I would like to remove the existing transformer and use the wiring
(off lighting circuit) to power the mirror.

The transformer has 3 lives and 3 neutrals looped into the back box.

I would like to end up with the backbox covered over and the flex
from the mirror terminated under that cover.

Any suggrestions for doing it correctly?

An alternative may be to pull the 3 cables up into the loft, join
them in a junction box and take a single cable down to the back box.
However the cables are in an area of very restricted working space.


If you could fit a blank plate with a hole drilled in it for the flex
then do that. Wagos or strip connector will be fine.



Sounds great. Thanks.

ARW wrote in
:

On 28/07/2019 10:26, DerbyBorn wrote:
SWMBO wants an illuminated, demisting bathroom mirror on the wall. I
have agreed proviing ith has a shaver socket.

My question is about wiring it. It will be fitted almost where a
Shaver Transformer is currently.

I would like to remove the existing transformer and use the wiring
(off lighting circuit) to power the mirror.

The transformer has 3 lives and 3 neutrals looped into the back box.

I would like to end up with the backbox covered over and the flex
from the mirror terminated under that cover.

Any suggrestions for doing it correctly?

An alternative may be to pull the 3 cables up into the loft, join
them in a junction box and take a single cable down to the back box.
However the cables are in an area of very restricted working space.


If you could fit a blank plate with a hole drilled in it for the flex
then do that. Wagos or strip connector will be fine.



I am assuming the shaver socket will not be on an isolating transformer.
Should I consider a separate earth leakage device - (which would mean
pulling the cables up the partition wall into the loft!)

On Sunday, 28 July 2019 12:02:28 UTC+1, DerbyBorn wrote:
ARW wrote in
:

On 28/07/2019 10:26, DerbyBorn wrote:
SWMBO wants an illuminated, demisting bathroom mirror on the wall. I
have agreed proviing ith has a shaver socket.

My question is about wiring it. It will be fitted almost where a
Shaver Transformer is currently.

I would like to remove the existing transformer and use the wiring
(off lighting circuit) to power the mirror.

The transformer has 3 lives and 3 neutrals looped into the back box.

I would like to end up with the backbox covered over and the flex
from the mirror terminated under that cover.

Any suggrestions for doing it correctly?

An alternative may be to pull the 3 cables up into the loft, join
them in a junction box and take a single cable down to the back box.
However the cables are in an area of very restricted working space.


If you could fit a blank plate with a hole drilled in it for the flex
then do that. Wagos or strip connector will be fine.

Use an FCU


I am assuming the shaver socket will not be on an isolating transformer.

it certainly will be

Should I consider a separate earth leakage device - (which would mean
pulling the cables up the partition wall into the loft!)

no need


NT

On 28/07/2019 13:24, wrote:

I am assuming the shaver socket will not be on an isolating transformer.

it certainly will be


Personally, I'd like to test that. One way is to dismantle the mirror
and take a look. Is the other way to check the voltage of the socket's
two conductors against earth separately? Worrying if they are not both
zero.

On Sunday, 28 July 2019 13:56:39 UTC+1, GB wrote:
On 28/07/2019 13:24, tabbypurr wrote:

I am assuming the shaver socket will not be on an isolating transformer.

it certainly will be


Personally, I'd like to test that. One way is to dismantle the mirror
and take a look. Is the other way to check the voltage of the socket's
two conductors against earth separately? Worrying if they are not both
zero.

test for continuity from outputs to mains inputs. If there is continuity, it's not fit for purpose.


NT

On 28/07/2019 12:02, DerbyBorn wrote:

I am assuming the shaver socket will not be on an isolating transformer.
Should I consider a separate earth leakage device - (which would mean
pulling the cables up the partition wall into the loft!)


That would not be regs compliant. It needs to be an isolating
transformer, not a bog standard shaver point with RCD protection.

See if you can find a manual for what she wants to buy?

--
Adam

In message , ARW
writes
On 28/07/2019 10:26, DerbyBorn wrote:
SWMBO wants an illuminated, demisting bathroom mirror on the wall. I have
agreed proviing ith has a shaver socket.
My question is about wiring it. It will be fitted almost where a
Shaver
Transformer is currently.
I would like to remove the existing transformer and use the wiring
(off
lighting circuit) to power the mirror.
The transformer has 3 lives and 3 neutrals looped into the back box.
I would like to end up with the backbox covered over and the flex
from the
mirror terminated under that cover.
Any suggrestions for doing it correctly?
An alternative may be to pull the 3 cables up into the loft, join
them in a
junction box and take a single cable down to the back box. However the
cables are in an area of very restricted working space.


If you could fit a blank plate with a hole drilled in it for the flex
then do that. Wagos or strip connector will be fine.

I'm giving one away but he will have to fetch:-)

Shaver outlet, led lamps, heated glass and a photo cell on/off switch.

The downside is the glass stands 2" off the wall due to the transformers
and controls and was vetoed by senior management after installation:-(



--
Tim Lamb

On 28/07/2019 17:23, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , ARW
writes
On 28/07/2019 10:26, DerbyBorn wrote:
SWMBO wants an illuminated, demisting bathroom mirror on the wall. I
have
agreed proviing ith has a shaver socket.
Â*My question is about wiring it. It will be fitted almost where a Shaver
Transformer is currently.
Â*I would like to remove the existing transformer and use the wiring (off
lighting circuit) to power the mirror.
Â*The transformer has 3 lives and 3 neutrals looped into the back box.
Â*I would like to end up with the backbox covered over and the flex
from the
mirror terminated under that cover.
Â*Any suggrestions for doing it correctly?
Â*An alternative may be to pull the 3 cables up into the loft, join
them in a
junction box and take a single cable down to the back box. However the
cables are in an area of very restricted working space.


If you could fit a blank plate with a hole drilled in it for the flex
then do that. Wagos or strip connector will be fine.

I'm giving one away but he will have to fetch:-)

Shaver outlet, led lamps, heated glass and a photo cell on/off switch.

The downside is the glass stands 2" off the wall due to the transformers
and controls and was vetoed by senior management after installation:-(




Most mirror lights do stand off the wall.



--
Adam

ARW Wrote in message:
On 28/07/2019 17:23, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , ARW
writes
On 28/07/2019 10:26, DerbyBorn wrote:
SWMBO wants an illuminated, demisting bathroom mirror on the wall. I
have
agreed proviing ith has a shaver socket.
My question is about wiring it. It will be fitted almost where a Shaver
Transformer is currently.
I would like to remove the existing transformer and use the wiring (off
lighting circuit) to power the mirror.
The transformer has 3 lives and 3 neutrals looped into the back box.
I would like to end up with the backbox covered over and the flex
from the
mirror terminated under that cover.
Any suggrestions for doing it correctly?
An alternative may be to pull the 3 cables up into the loft, join
them in a
junction box and take a single cable down to the back box. However the
cables are in an area of very restricted working space.


If you could fit a blank plate with a hole drilled in it for the flex
then do that. Wagos or strip connector will be fine.

I'm giving one away but he will have to fetch:-)

Shaver outlet, led lamps, heated glass and a photo cell on/off switch.

The downside is the glass stands 2" off the wall due to the transformers
and controls and was vetoed by senior management after installation:-(




Most mirror lights do stand off the wall.



--
Adam


I've seen LCD televisions that are flush with the tiles.
--

Graham.
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On 28/07/2019 19:17, Graham. wrote:
ARW Wrote in message:
On 28/07/2019 17:23, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , ARW
writes
On 28/07/2019 10:26, DerbyBorn wrote:
SWMBO wants an illuminated, demisting bathroom mirror on the wall. I
have
agreed proviing ith has a shaver socket.
My question is about wiring it. It will be fitted almost where a Shaver
Transformer is currently.
I would like to remove the existing transformer and use the wiring (off
lighting circuit) to power the mirror.
The transformer has 3 lives and 3 neutrals looped into the back box.
I would like to end up with the backbox covered over and the flex
from the
mirror terminated under that cover.
Any suggrestions for doing it correctly?
An alternative may be to pull the 3 cables up into the loft, join
them in a
junction box and take a single cable down to the back box. However the
cables are in an area of very restricted working space.


If you could fit a blank plate with a hole drilled in it for the flex
then do that. Wagos or strip connector will be fine.

I'm giving one away but he will have to fetch:-)

Shaver outlet, led lamps, heated glass and a photo cell on/off switch.

The downside is the glass stands 2" off the wall due to the transformers
and controls and was vetoed by senior management after installation:-(




Most mirror lights do stand off the wall.




I've seen LCD televisions that are flush with the tiles.


I have fitted them. And they cost a few more quid than mirror lights.




--
Adam

On 28/07/2019 19:17, Graham. wrote:
ARW Wrote in message:
On 28/07/2019 17:23, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , ARW
writes
On 28/07/2019 10:26, DerbyBorn wrote:
SWMBO wants an illuminated, demisting bathroom mirror on the wall. I
have
agreed proviing ith has a shaver socket.
My question is about wiring it. It will be fitted almost where a Shaver
Transformer is currently.
I would like to remove the existing transformer and use the wiring (off
lighting circuit) to power the mirror.
The transformer has 3 lives and 3 neutrals looped into the back box.
I would like to end up with the backbox covered over and the flex
from the
mirror terminated under that cover.
Any suggrestions for doing it correctly?
An alternative may be to pull the 3 cables up into the loft, join
them in a
junction box and take a single cable down to the back box. However the
cables are in an area of very restricted working space.


If you could fit a blank plate with a hole drilled in it for the flex
then do that. Wagos or strip connector will be fine.

I'm giving one away but he will have to fetch:-)

Shaver outlet, led lamps, heated glass and a photo cell on/off switch.

The downside is the glass stands 2" off the wall due to the transformers
and controls and was vetoed by senior management after installation:-(




Most mirror lights do stand off the wall.



--
Adam


I've seen LCD televisions that are flush with the tiles.

but the tiles were stood off the wall :-)


--
"Nature does not give up the winter because people dislike the cold."

ۥ Confucius

In article ,
ARW wrote:
On 28/07/2019 17:23, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , ARW
writes
On 28/07/2019 10:26, DerbyBorn wrote:
SWMBO wants an illuminated, demisting bathroom mirror on the wall. I
have
agreed proviing ith has a shaver socket.
My question is about wiring it. It will be fitted almost where a Shaver
Transformer is currently.
I would like to remove the existing transformer and use the wiring (off
lighting circuit) to power the mirror.
The transformer has 3 lives and 3 neutrals looped into the back box.
I would like to end up with the backbox covered over and the flex
from the
mirror terminated under that cover.
Any suggrestions for doing it correctly?
An alternative may be to pull the 3 cables up into the loft, join
them in a
junction box and take a single cable down to the back box. However the
cables are in an area of very restricted working space.


If you could fit a blank plate with a hole drilled in it for the flex
then do that. Wagos or strip connector will be fine.

I'm giving one away but he will have to fetch:-)

Shaver outlet, led lamps, heated glass and a photo cell on/off switch.

The downside is the glass stands 2" off the wall due to the transformers
and controls and was vetoed by senior management after installation:-(

For a neat flex outlet, get a socket with a TV outlet on it, and remove the
tv socket.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 28/07/2019 19:17, charles wrote:
For a neat flex outlet, get a socket with a TV outlet on it, and remove the
tv socket.

Simpler still, just get a flex outlet plate, it includes the terminals,
cord grip and neat cable outlet slot flush against the wall.
e.g. https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/MKK1090.html

In message , ARW
writes
On 28/07/2019 17:23, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , ARW
writes
On 28/07/2019 10:26, DerbyBorn wrote:
SWMBO wants an illuminated, demisting bathroom mirror on the wall.
I have
agreed proviing ith has a shaver socket.
*My question is about wiring it. It will be fitted almost where a Shaver
Transformer is currently.
*I would like to remove the existing transformer and use the wiring (off
lighting circuit) to power the mirror.
*The transformer has 3 lives and 3 neutrals looped into the back box.
*I would like to end up with the backbox covered over and the flex
from the
mirror terminated under that cover.
*Any suggrestions for doing it correctly?
*An alternative may be to pull the 3 cables up into the loft, join
them in a
junction box and take a single cable down to the back box. However the
cables are in an area of very restricted working space.


If you could fit a blank plate with a hole drilled in it for the
flex then do that. Wagos or strip connector will be fine.
I'm giving one away but he will have to fetch:-)
Shaver outlet, led lamps, heated glass and a photo cell on/off
switch.
The downside is the glass stands 2" off the wall due to the
transformers and controls and was vetoed by senior management after
installation:-(




Most mirror lights do stand off the wall.

Yes. These particular ones are embedded in the glass


--
Tim Lamb

DerbyBorn wrote:
SWMBO wants an illuminated, demisting bathroom mirror on the wall. I have
agreed proviing ith has a shaver socket.

My question is about wiring it. It will be fitted almost where a Shaver
Transformer is currently.

I would like to remove the existing transformer and use the wiring (off
lighting circuit) to power the mirror.

The transformer has 3 lives and 3 neutrals looped into the back box.

I would like to end up with the backbox covered over and the flex from the
mirror terminated under that cover.

Any suggrestions for doing it correctly?

An alternative may be to pull the 3 cables up into the loft, join them in a
junction box and take a single cable down to the back box. However the
cables are in an area of very restricted working space.


Weve got a these in both bathrooms and wouldnt be without them- although
I dont use the shaver socket, I cant get on with electric razors.

Both of ours have a shallow metal box behind the glass which keeps the
glass maybe an inch from the wall. It is virtually as large as the mirror.
It is hollow, mostly empty ( it contains the electronics but they dont
take much space). The fitting instructions show it against the wall,
rather than sunk into it.

Provided your new mirror covers the existing power outlet, it will cover it
and solve your problem.

My only regret is not getting the version with radio in. I like Classic FM
in the morning.