I want to plant a bare root hedge. This will entail digging a trench 18€� deep alongside a flower bed. Can a mini digger excavate a trench without the two tracks straddling the line of the trench ?

On 26/07/2019 22:53, fred wrote:
I want to plant a bare root hedge. This will entail digging a trench
18€� deep alongside a flower bed. Can a mini digger excavate a trench
without the two tracks straddling the line of the trench ?


Some can move the arm to one side on rails.

Why not just plant smaller plants and use a spade to dig smaller holes?

Most grow quickly anyway.

On 26/07/2019 22:53, fred wrote:

I want to plant a bare root hedge. This will entail digging a trench
18€� deep alongside a flower bed. Can a mini digger excavate a trench
without the two tracks straddling the line of the trench ?


I have used some of the 850kg class machines that can pivot the main arm
at the point where it joins the body of the machine. That allows you to
dig a straight trench at an angle to the body of the machine - so in
effect you could dig it from mostly one side of the trench (although it
would be harder to see what you are doing)

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fred Wrote in message:
I want to plant a bare root hedge. This will entail digging a trench 18? deep alongside a flower bed. Can a mini digger excavate a trench without the two tracks straddling the line of the trench ?


How long is this hedge to be?
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On 26/07/2019 23:28, John Rumm wrote:
On 26/07/2019 22:53, fred wrote:

I want to plant a bare root hedge. This will entail digging a trench
18€� deep alongside a flower bed. Can a mini digger excavate a trench
without the two tracks straddling the line of the trench ?


I have used some of the 850kg class machines that can pivot the main arm
at the point where it joins the body of the machine. That allows you to
dig a straight trench at an angle to the body of the machine - so in
effect you could dig it from mostly one side of the trench (although it
would be harder to see what you are doing)


There is also more risk of the weight of the machine collapsing the side
of the trench if you have to work close to it.

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Maybe with a lot of tooing anf froing, but are you saying you cannot move
the flowers and put them back afterwards?
Brian

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I want to plant a bare root hedge. This will entail digging a trench 18"
deep alongside a flower bed. Can a mini digger excavate a trench without the
two tracks straddling the line of the trench ?

And not to slide into the trench and look like an idiot. Waterlogged earth
is very heavy and the earth has to go somewhere while you are digging it.
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On 26/07/2019 22:53, fred wrote:

I want to plant a bare root hedge. This will entail digging a trench
18" deep alongside a flower bed. Can a mini digger excavate a trench
without the two tracks straddling the line of the trench ?


I have used some of the 850kg class machines that can pivot the main arm
at the point where it joins the body of the machine. That allows you to
dig a straight trench at an angle to the body of the machine - so in
effect you could dig it from mostly one side of the trench (although it
would be harder to see what you are doing)

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On 26/07/2019 22:53, fred wrote:
I want to plant a bare root hedge. This will entail digging a trench 18€� deep alongside a flower bed. Can a mini digger excavate a trench without the two tracks straddling the line of the trench ?

yes, if you are good enough


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fred wrote:
I want to plant a bare root hedge. This will entail digging a trench 18€�
deep alongside a flower bed.

Why?

Just curious as we had contractors plant a hedge from bare root whips
(3-4ft tall) and they used nothing more than a spade. Hedge has grown
really well.

18€� maybe a counsel of perfection but unless your bare root stock is very
large it seems like overkill (and a lot of extra work).

Tim
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On 27/07/2019 11:11, Tim+ wrote:
fred wrote:
I want to plant a bare root hedge. This will entail digging a trench 18€�
deep alongside a flower bed.

Why?

Just curious as we had contractors plant a hedge from bare root whips
(3-4ft tall) and they used nothing more than a spade. Hedge has grown
really well.

18€� maybe a counsel of perfection but unless your bare root stock is very
large it seems like overkill (and a lot of extra work).

Tim

+1, could you not just do it manually with a 6 inch auger for each one?
Or a 12 inch power auger, either the "manual" type or on a digger
hydraulic arm.

Thanks for all the suggestions. The hedge will be about 50 yards long. I have no desire to start digging a 50 yd fence by hand. The €œflower bed is actually a bed full of shrubs and moving them would be slightly impractical. This bed is to one side of the drive so threre would be sure footing on that side of the proposed hedge.
I like the idea of the augur, I bought a hand operated 6€� one recently to sink short legs for a greenhouse and found it very easy to use and very effective. Its a way off yet as its too early for whips

On 26/07/2019 22:53, fred wrote:
I want to plant a bare root hedge. This will entail digging a trench 18€� deep alongside a flower bed. Can a mini digger excavate a trench without the two tracks straddling the line of the trench ?


As long as you don't mind one set of tracks flattening the flower bed.

fred Wrote in message:
Thanks for all the suggestions. The hedge will be about 50 yards long. I have no desire to start digging a 50 yd fence by hand. The ?flower bed is actually a bed full of shrubs and moving them would be slightly impractical. This bed is to one side of the drive so threre would be sure footing on that side of the proposed hedge.
I like the idea of the augur, I bought a hand operated 6? one recently to sink short legs for a greenhouse and found it very easy to use and very effective. It?s a way off yet as it?s too early for whips


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On 27/07/2019 11:11, Tim+ wrote:
fred wrote:
I want to plant a bare root hedge. This will entail digging a trench 18€�
deep alongside a flower bed.

Why?

Just curious as we had contractors plant a hedge from bare root whips
(3-4ft tall) and they used nothing more than a spade. Hedge has grown
really well.

18€� maybe a counsel of perfection but unless your bare root stock is very
large it seems like overkill (and a lot of extra work).

Tim

Correct. If you do it in the winter when the ground is damp all you need
to do is ram a spade in, lever a slit, cram the roots in and wait till
spring


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On 27/07/2019 09:23, nightjar wrote:
On 26/07/2019 23:28, John Rumm wrote:
On 26/07/2019 22:53, fred wrote:

I want to plant a bare root hedge. This will entail digging a trench
18€� deep alongside a flower bed. Can a mini digger excavate a trench
without the two tracks straddling the line of the trench ?


I have used some of the 850kg class machines that can pivot the main
arm at the point where it joins the body of the machine. That allows
you to dig a straight trench at an angle to the body of the machine -
so in effect you could dig it from mostly one side of the trench
(although it would be harder to see what you are doing)


There is also more risk of the weight of the machine collapsing the side
of the trench if you have to work close to it.

Indeed, although I am guessing the OP is not planning on digging that
deep for a hedge.




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On 27/07/2019 14:44, John Rumm wrote:
On 27/07/2019 09:23, nightjar wrote:
On 26/07/2019 23:28, John Rumm wrote:
On 26/07/2019 22:53, fred wrote:

I want to plant a bare root hedge. This will entail digging a trench
18€� deep alongside a flower bed. Can a mini digger excavate a trench
without the two tracks straddling the line of the trench ?


I have used some of the 850kg class machines that can pivot the main
arm at the point where it joins the body of the machine. That allows
you to dig a straight trench at an angle to the body of the machine -
so in effect you could dig it from mostly one side of the trench
(although it would be harder to see what you are doing)


There is also more risk of the weight of the machine collapsing the
side of the trench if you have to work close to it.

Indeed, although I am guessing the OP is not planning on digging that
deep for a hedge.

Even 18" deep could be enough to topple a mini digger sideways.

The answer, of course, is to work with the digger on the part of the
ground that has yet to be dug and working away from the trench. It is
just not something that everybody would realise is necessary.


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On Saturday, 27 July 2019 12:55:46 UTC+1, fred wrote:

Thanks for all the suggestions. The hedge will be about 50 yards long. I have no desire to start digging a 50 yd fence by hand. The €œflower bed is actually a bed full of shrubs and moving them would be slightly impractical. This bed is to one side of the drive so threre would be sure footing on that side of the proposed hedge.
I like the idea of the augur, I bought a hand operated 6€� one recently to sink short legs for a greenhouse and found it very easy to use and very effective. Its a way off yet as its too early for whips

Whatever you plant, make sure it provides nice food. Preferably a variety of.


NT

On 27/07/2019 15:28, nightjar wrote:
On 27/07/2019 14:44, John Rumm wrote:
On 27/07/2019 09:23, nightjar wrote:
On 26/07/2019 23:28, John Rumm wrote:
On 26/07/2019 22:53, fred wrote:

I want to plant a bare root hedge. This will entail digging a trench
18€� deep alongside a flower bed. Can a mini digger excavate a trench
without the two tracks straddling the line of the trench ?


I have used some of the 850kg class machines that can pivot the main
arm at the point where it joins the body of the machine. That allows
you to dig a straight trench at an angle to the body of the machine
- so in effect you could dig it from mostly one side of the trench
(although it would be harder to see what you are doing)


There is also more risk of the weight of the machine collapsing the
side of the trench if you have to work close to it.

Indeed, although I am guessing the OP is not planning on digging that
deep for a hedge.

Even 18" deep could be enough to topple a mini digger sideways.

If you swing the boom, then you have the digger body almost
perpendicular to the trench - so no danger of toppling.

I was thinking of something like:

http://www.gem-tools.co.uk/wp-conten...08/GB_B083.pdf

spin the body so the boom is the opposite end to the dozer blade, then
pivot on the lower hinge, you will then have 90% of the body on solid
ground.

The answer, of course, is to work with the digger on the part of the
ground that has yet to be dug and working away from the trench. It is
just not something that everybody would realise is necessary.

Indeed, although tricky to do close to a line of shrubs, unless you can
dig at an offset.

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"fred" wrote in message
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I want to plant a bare root hedge. This will entail digging a trench 18€�
deep alongside a flower bed. Can a mini digger excavate a trench without
the two tracks straddling the line of the trench ?


Why dig a trench at all? I've planted hundreds of yards of bare root
hedging, usually native species such as white thorn, black thorn, crab
apple, dog rose etc. and I've never dug a trench. The sequence is: Spade in
to full depth , wiggle spade, drop bare root whip in already wearing an
anti-rabbit wrap, carefully insert cane down into wrap avoiding the root,
press spade cut back together with boots, move on to next. After about 2000
plant have a shower and several cans of Old Speckled Hen. Process has worked
for me over the years !

Andrew

On 28/07/2019 10:55, Andrew Mawson wrote:
Why dig a trench at all? I've planted hundreds of yards of bare root
hedging, usually native species such as white thorn, black thorn, crab
apple, dog rose etc. and I've never dug a trench. The sequence is: Spade
in to full depth , wiggle spade, drop bare root whip in already wearing
an anti-rabbit wrap, carefully insert cane down into wrap avoiding the
root, press spade cut back together withÂ* boots, move on to next. After
about 2000 plant have a shower and several cans of Old Speckled Hen.
Process has worked for me over the years !

+1.

Thats how I did it for all my hornbeam.


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On 28/07/2019 10:55, Andrew Mawson wrote:
Why dig a trench at all? I've planted hundreds of yards of bare root
hedging, usually native species such as white thorn, black thorn, crab
apple, dog rose etc. and I've never dug a trench. The sequence is:
Spade in to full depth , wiggle spade, drop bare root whip in already
wearing an anti-rabbit wrap, carefully insert cane down into wrap
avoiding the root, press spade cut back together with* boots, move on
to next. After about 2000 plant have a shower and several cans of Old
Speckled Hen. Process has worked for me over the years !

+1.

Thats how I did it for all my hornbeam.

Don't, whatever else you do, plant Blackthorn. It springs up from the
roots and tried to form a thicket.



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On 28/07/2019 10:55, Andrew Mawson wrote:
"fred"Â* wrote in message
...

I want to plant a bare root hedge. This will entail digging a trench
18€� deep alongside a flower bed. Can a mini digger excavate a trench
without the two tracks straddling the line of the trench ?


Why dig a trench at all? I've planted hundreds of yards of bare root
hedging, usually native species such as white thorn, black thorn, crab
apple, dog rose etc. and I've never dug a trench. The sequence is: Spade
in to full depth , wiggle spade, drop bare root whip in already wearing
an anti-rabbit wrap, carefully insert cane down into wrap avoiding the
root, press spade cut back together withÂ* boots, move on to next. After
about 2000 plant have a shower and several cans of Old Speckled Hen.
Process has worked for me over the years !

Sure I have read that there is little height advantage after a couple of
years in planting larger hedging plants rather than short bare rooted whips.

On 28/07/2019 10:55, Andrew Mawson wrote:
"fred"Â* wrote in message
...

I want to plant a bare root hedge. This will entail digging a trench
18€� deep alongside a flower bed. Can a mini digger excavate a trench
without the two tracks straddling the line of the trench ?


Why dig a trench at all? I've planted hundreds of yards of bare root
hedging, usually native species such as white thorn, black thorn, crab
apple, dog rose etc. and I've never dug a trench. The sequence is: Spade
in to full depth , wiggle spade, drop bare root whip in already wearing
an anti-rabbit wrap, carefully insert cane down into wrap avoiding the
root, press spade cut back together withÂ* boots, move on to next. After
about 2000 plant have a shower and several cans of Old Speckled Hen.
Process has worked for me over the years !


Spend weekend battling with neighbour's out-of-control black bamboo*;
read how Andrew knocks off 2000 bare root stock at a rate of nearly 3 a
minute (assuming a 12 hour day - with no breaks!); feel inadequate; make
inroads into a robust Malbec; end up no less inadequate - just less
feeling

*I reckon I won on points

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On 28/07/2019 10:55, Andrew Mawson wrote:
"fred"Â* wrote in message
...

I want to plant a bare root hedge. This will entail digging a trench
18€� deep alongside a flower bed. Can a mini digger excavate a
trench without the two tracks straddling the line of the trench ?
Why dig a trench at all? I've planted hundreds of yards of bare
root hedging, usually native species such as white thorn, black
thorn, crab apple, dog rose etc. and I've never dug a trench. The
sequence is: Spade in to full depth , wiggle spade, drop bare root
whip in already wearing an anti-rabbit wrap, carefully insert cane
down into wrap avoiding the root, press spade cut back together withÂ*
boots, move on to next. After about 2000 plant have a shower and
several cans of Old Speckled Hen. Process has worked for me over the years !


Spend weekend battling with neighbour's out-of-control black bamboo*;
read how Andrew knocks off 2000 bare root stock at a rate of nearly 3 a
minute (assuming a 12 hour day - with no breaks!); feel inadequate;
make inroads into a robust Malbec; end up no less inadequate - just
less feeling

I've just moved some to our new garden as a screen from the stables.
Somewhere recently I read it is now considered a notifiable weed!
The bit I moved was an outgrowth from the main plant. About 1m
underneath shingle and black plastic mulch to the sapling and a second
sharp spike penetrating the mulch 500mm further.

*I reckon I won on points


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On Sunday, 28 July 2019 17:25:52 UTC+1, Tim Lamb wrote:

Don't, whatever else you do, plant Blackthorn. It springs up from the
roots and tried to form a thicket.

Sure does taste good, as long as you use a recipe that works (can be hideous if you don't). But why plant it, there's no lack growing wild. And no-one else picks it. Silly them.

For anyone that hasn't had it, it's fairly like plum but aggressive. Plums can be much improved by adding a little blackthorn, as can apples. And when some youngster enquires, enthuse about it being free yum food & offer them one to taste lol, with camera ready. Utterly vile raw.


NT

On 28/07/2019 17:14, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 28/07/2019 10:55, Andrew Mawson wrote:
Why dig a trench at all? I've planted hundreds of yards of bare root
hedging, usually native species such as white thorn, black thorn,
crab apple, dog rose etc. and I've never dug a trench. The sequence
is: SpadeÂ* in to full depth , wiggle spade, drop bare root whip in
already wearingÂ* an anti-rabbit wrap, carefully insert cane down into
wrap avoiding theÂ* root, press spade cut back together withÂ* boots,
move on to next. AfterÂ* about 2000 plant have a shower and several
cans of Old Speckled Hen.Â* Process has worked for me over the years !

+1.

Thats how I did it for all my hornbeam.

Don't, whatever else you do, plant Blackthorn. It springs up from the
roots and tried to form a thicket.

It also is the No1 cause of punctures in tyres of garden kit
It also gives you nasty warts if it isnt removed from the skin that
last YEARS (15+)

I have so much here and i HATE it







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On 28/07/2019 18:51, Robert wrote:
On 28/07/2019 10:55, Andrew Mawson wrote:
"fred"Â* wrote in message
...

I want to plant a bare root hedge. This will entail digging a trench
18€� deep alongside a flower bed. Can a mini digger excavate a trench
without the two tracks straddling the line of the trench ?


Why dig a trench at all? I've planted hundreds of yards of bare root
hedging, usually native species such as white thorn, black thorn, crab
apple, dog rose etc. and I've never dug a trench. The sequence is:
Spade in to full depth , wiggle spade, drop bare root whip in already
wearing an anti-rabbit wrap, carefully insert cane down into wrap
avoiding the root, press spade cut back together withÂ* boots, move on
to next. After about 2000 plant have a shower and several cans of Old
Speckled Hen. Process has worked for me over the years !

Sure I have read that there is little height advantage after a couple of
years in planting larger hedging plants rather than short bare rooted
whips.

The only stuff I've ever planted that did come big and took off was some
20ft tall Holm Oaks that cost a ****ing fortune that the ex wanted NOW.

6 years later they are bloody ginormous. They came with root balls about
6 ft diameter

So yes, instant trees are possible - if you dont mind spending a few
hundred per tree.

All the bare root stuff I have planted has been in a slit

Ther usually isn't enough root to justify more.

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