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Gas meter connection -safe?
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We've had smart meters installed (don't ask!) and I'm not too sure on whether or not the ribbed flexible connector to the supply is as it should be. It looks a little stretched with that tight bend at the right hand end. Anyone with relevant gas installation knowledge care to comment? -- F |
Gas meter connection -safe?
On Sat, 1 Jun 2019 16:18:42 +0100
F news@nowhere wrote: https://flic.kr/p/2g6LbaV We've had smart meters installed (don't ask!) and I'm not too sure on whether or not the ribbed flexible connector to the supply is as it should be. It looks a little stretched with that tight bend at the right hand end. Anyone with relevant gas installation knowledge care to comment? To this non-expert viewer, it looks terrible. Maybe send that picture to the gas supplier for comment and information? Even show it to the local firemen. -- Davey. |
Gas meter connection -safe?
On 01/06/2019 16:18, F wrote:
https://flic.kr/p/2g6LbaV We've had smart meters installed (don't ask!) and I'm not too sure on whether or not the ribbed flexible connector to the supply is as it should be. It looks a little stretched with that tight bend at the right hand end. Anyone with relevant gas installation knowledge care to comment? It's a basic reg (from what I have picked up over the years) that none of the ribbed sections should touch each other. Try a Google for gas anaconda. -- Adam |
Gas meter connection -safe?
On 01/06/2019 16:18, F wrote:
https://flic.kr/p/2g6LbaV We've had smart meters installed (don't ask!) and I'm not too sure on whether or not the ribbed flexible connector to the supply is as it should be. It looks a little stretched with that tight bend at the right hand end. Anyone with relevant gas installation knowledge care to comment? That looks dreadful. It's easily solved but doing so is the job of the installer. |
Gas meter connection -safe?
On 01/06/2019 16:34, ARW wrote:
On 01/06/2019 16:18, F wrote: https://flic.kr/p/2g6LbaV We've had smart meters installed (don't ask!) and I'm not too sure on whether or not the ribbed flexible connector to the supply is as it should be. It looks a little stretched with that tight bend at the right hand end. Anyone with relevant gas installation knowledge care to comment? It's a basic reg (from what I have picked up over the years) that none of the ribbed sections should touch each other. Try a Google for gas anaconda. Thanks. I've Googled for that and anything I thought similar but cannot find anything 'official', only diynot comments which aren't going to cut it with Siemens who installed it. -- F |
Gas meter connection -safe?
I'd still get a second opinion myself. I have no gas, but even when I did I
was not very impressed by the standard of workmanship in the, shall we say out of site out of mind areas. That is one reason I got rid of it. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "F" news@nowhere wrote in message o.uk... On 01/06/2019 16:34, ARW wrote: On 01/06/2019 16:18, F wrote: https://flic.kr/p/2g6LbaV We've had smart meters installed (don't ask!) and I'm not too sure on whether or not the ribbed flexible connector to the supply is as it should be. It looks a little stretched with that tight bend at the right hand end. Anyone with relevant gas installation knowledge care to comment? It's a basic reg (from what I have picked up over the years) that none of the ribbed sections should touch each other. Try a Google for gas anaconda. Thanks. I've Googled for that and anything I thought similar but cannot find anything 'official', only diynot comments which aren't going to cut it with Siemens who installed it. -- F |
Gas meter connection -safe?
On 01/06/2019 17:38, F wrote:
On 01/06/2019 17:18, wrote: On 01/06/2019 16:18, F wrote: https://flic.kr/p/2g6LbaV We've had smart meters installed (don't ask!) and I'm not too sure on whether or not the ribbed flexible connector to the supply is as it should be. It looks a little stretched with that tight bend at the right hand end. Anyone with relevant gas installation knowledge care to comment? That looks dreadful. It's easily solved but doing so is the job of the installer. Agreed, I'm not going anywhere near it and am not getting anyone in. I'm just wanting to get something rock-solid to face them with rather than get the brush-off. If it was mine, I would just move the pipe below the valve over to the left a bit. Can anyone confirm the technology, is that a pressure-formed bellows but with a rubber hose inside it? If there *is* a rubber hose then I don't think I would worry much as the stresses in it are not going to be high and there is still some secondary containment. I would certainly be a bit unhappy if the bellows is the primary containment. It looks a bit as though it might be inside a garage, which means the ventilation will be pretty good, so the chances of getting an explosive mixture if it fails are not so high. If it is in a basement or cellar that seldom gets visited, with poor ventilation, so that a leak might not be detected, then risks are higher. Doesn't look as though it meets Adam's criterion of convolutions in contact, so I would not feel embarrassed about reporting it. You could always say "I thought I smelled gas" rather than "It doesn't look right to me", since even if it tests out OK on leakage the gas guys are more likely to change it to be on the safe side. Going off at a not totally irrelevant tangent, just came back from a holiday cottage that had no broadband for the first half of the week. It had apparently taken Openreach a fortnight to come out and look (various cock-ups on the way). The techie quickly confirmed that the problem was 18.5 metres back from the router, suggesting it might be at the top of the pole. In fact it turned out to be no more than five metres away, where the neighbour trimming a small hedge had simply chopped through the cable just before it went into the (terraced) cottage. If I had bothered to look, I could have done a temporary fix myself. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
Gas meter connection -safe?
newshound wrote:
If it was mine, I would just move the pipe below the valve over to the left a bit. The valve and anaconda are on the supply side of the meter, so SEP. Can anyone confirm the technology, is that a pressure-formed bellows but with a rubber hose inside it? I don't think there's a hose inside it, just (hydroformed?) stainless steel. |
Gas meter connection -safe?
On 01/06/2019 21:41, newshound wrote:
On 01/06/2019 17:38, F wrote: On 01/06/2019 17:18, wrote: On 01/06/2019 16:18, F wrote: https://flic.kr/p/2g6LbaV We've had smart meters installed (don't ask!) and I'm not too sure on whether or not the ribbed flexible connector to the supply is as it should be. It looks a little stretched with that tight bend at the right hand end. Anyone with relevant gas installation knowledge care to comment? That looks dreadful. It's easily solved but doing so is the job of the installer. Agreed, I'm not going anywhere near it and am not getting anyone in. I'm just wanting to get something rock-solid to face them with rather than get the brush-off. If it was mine, I would just move the pipe below the valve over to the left a bit. Can anyone confirm the technology, is that a pressure-formed bellows but with a rubber hose inside it? If there *is* a rubber hose then I don't think I would worry much as the stresses in it are not going to be high and there is still some secondary containment. I would certainly be a bit unhappy if the bellows is the primary containment. It looks a bit as though it might be inside a garage, which means the ventilation will be pretty good, so the chances of getting an explosive mixture if it fails are not so high. If it is in a basement or cellar that seldom gets visited, with poor ventilation, so that a leak might not be detected, then risks are higher. Doesn't look as though it meets Adam's criterion of convolutions in contact, so I would not feel embarrassed about reporting it. You could always say "I thought I smelled gas" rather than "It doesn't look right to me", since even if it tests out OK on leakage the gas guys are more likely to change it to be on the safe side. Thanks. The pipe with the valve at the top is a very sturdy length of 2" steel which rises out of the concrete garage (good guess!) floor so, unfortunately, it's not going anywhere. I do like the 'I think I can smell gas' solution. -- F |
Gas meter connection -safe?
On 01/06/2019 21:55, Andy Burns wrote:
newshound wrote: If it was mine, I would just move the pipe below the valve over to the left a bit. The valve and anaconda are on the supply side of the meter, so SEP. SEP? Can anyone confirm the technology, is that a pressure-formed bellows but with a rubber hose inside it? I don't think there's a hose inside it, just (hydroformed?) stainless steel. Google warns against leaving any flux that might have dropped on it as it will rot through and leak so I assume there's nothing beyond the metal. -- F |
Gas meter connection -safe?
F wrote:
SEP? someone else's problem, if the O/P is concerned about it ask the meter fitters to come back and improve it, if they won't, call transco and say you're concerned about the safety of it ... make sure you call at a time when it'll be convenient to have no gas for a few hours. |
Gas meter connection -safe?
On 01/06/2019 22:15, F wrote:
On 01/06/2019 21:41, newshound wrote: On 01/06/2019 17:38, F wrote: On 01/06/2019 17:18, wrote: On 01/06/2019 16:18, F wrote: https://flic.kr/p/2g6LbaV We've had smart meters installed (don't ask!) and I'm not too sure on whether or not the ribbed flexible connector to the supply is as it should be. It looks a little stretched with that tight bend at the right hand end. Anyone with relevant gas installation knowledge care to comment? That looks dreadful. It's easily solved but doing so is the job of the installer. Agreed, I'm not going anywhere near it and am not getting anyone in. I'm just wanting to get something rock-solid to face them with rather than get the brush-off. If it was mine, I would just move the pipe below the valve over to the left a bit. Can anyone confirm the technology, is that a pressure-formed bellows but with a rubber hose inside it? If there *is* a rubber hose then I don't think I would worry much as the stresses in it are not going to be high and there is still some secondary containment. I would certainly be a bit unhappy if the bellows is the primary containment. It looks a bit as though it might be inside a garage, which means the ventilation will be pretty good, so the chances of getting an explosive mixture if it fails are not so high. If it is in a basement or cellar that seldom gets visited, with poor ventilation, so that a leak might not be detected, then risks are higher. Doesn't look as though it meets Adam's criterion of convolutions in contact, so I would not feel embarrassed about reporting it. You could always say "I thought I smelled gas" rather than "It doesn't look right to me", since even if it tests out OK on leakage the gas guys are more likely to change it to be on the safe side. Thanks. The pipe with the valve at the top is a very sturdy length of 2" steel which rises out of the concrete garage (good guess!) floor so, unfortunately, it's not going anywhere. I do like the 'I think I can smell gas' solution. Sorry, I had completely misinterpreted the picture. In that case I would be trying to move the meter. If that's too difficult, then it would be on to the phone! Actually (not being a very convincing liar, owing to my Aspergers) I would probably say "My wife thinks she can smell gas. I can't myself, typical neurotic woman, but I suppose you have to err on the side of safety". --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
Gas meter connection -safe?
On 01/06/2019 21:55, Andy Burns wrote:
newshound wrote: If it was mine, I would just move the pipe below the valve over to the left a bit. The valve and anaconda are on the supply side of the meter, so SEP. My mistake, see later post! Can anyone confirm the technology, is that a pressure-formed bellows but with a rubber hose inside it? I don't think there's a hose inside it, just (hydroformed?) stainless steel. I wasn't sure. I've used them a bit on vacuum and low pressure kit. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
Gas meter connection -safe?
On Saturday, 1 June 2019 22:32:53 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
On 01/06/2019 22:15, F wrote: I do like the 'I think I can smell gas' solution. Sorry, I had completely misinterpreted the picture. In that case I would be trying to move the meter. If that's too difficult, then it would be on to the phone! Actually (not being a very convincing liar, owing to my Aspergers) I would probably say "My wife thinks she can smell gas. I can't myself, typical neurotic woman, but I suppose you have to err on the side of safety". Reporting smelling gas gets you instantly cut off & your install condemned, regardless of the cause. NT |
Gas meter connection -safe?
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Gas meter connection -safe?
"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message ... After serious thinking wrote : Reporting smelling gas gets you instantly cut off & your install condemned, regardless of the cause. Only if a leakage is confirmed. I have a good nose, regularly spot leaks outside and report them. Most recently I smelled a leak from our local pressure regulator station. while on holiday in a rented flat in Rothesay in the 50's my mother went looking for a town gas leak with a match and found it with a nice wee flame spouting from a pipe........ |
Gas meter connection -safe?
On 02/06/2019 07:59, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message ... After serious thinking wrote : Reporting smelling gas gets you instantly cut off & your install condemned, regardless of the cause. Only if a leakage is confirmed. I have a good nose, regularly spot leaks outside and report them. Most recently I smelled a leak from our local pressure regulator station. while on holiday in a rented flat in Rothesay in the 50's my mother went looking for a town gas leak with a match and found it with a nice wee flame spouting from a pipe........ If it were anything like some of the holiday lets I experienced in those days - or even the post war prefab my parents were housed in after my dad came out of the army - there was very little chance of gas build up thanks to the howling gales which forced their way through all the cracks. Nick |
Gas meter connection -safe?
On 01/06/2019 16:34, ARW wrote:
On 01/06/2019 16:18, F wrote: https://flic.kr/p/2g6LbaV We've had smart meters installed (don't ask!) and I'm not too sure on whether or not the ribbed flexible connector to the supply is as it should be. It looks a little stretched with that tight bend at the right hand end. Anyone with relevant gas installation knowledge care to comment? It's a basic reg (from what I have picked up over the years) that none of the ribbed sections should touch each other. Try a Google for gas anaconda. Are the people who install smart gas meters Gas Safe certified or are they simply trained up as meter installers? Nick |
Gas meter connection -safe?
On 01/06/2019 16:34, ARW wrote:
On 01/06/2019 16:18, F wrote: https://flic.kr/p/2g6LbaV We've had smart meters installed (don't ask!) and I'm not too sure on whether or not the ribbed flexible connector to the supply is as it should be. It looks a little stretched with that tight bend at the right hand end. Anyone with relevant gas installation knowledge care to comment? It's a basic reg (from what I have picked up over the years) that none of the ribbed sections should touch each other. Try a Google for gas anaconda. Had my meter replaced recently, and the ribbed bits definitely touch at a drastic 90 degree bend. Mmmm. Being replaced again next week with a smart meter - I'll raise it with them. -- Cheers, Rob |
Gas meter connection -safe?
Nick Odell wrote:
Are the people who install smart gas meters Gas Safe certified or are they simply trained up as meter installers? AUIU, the latter. |
Gas meter connection -safe?
On 02/06/2019 11:30, Andy Burns wrote:
Nick Odell wrote: Are the people who install smart gas meters Gas Safe certified or are they simply trained up as meter installers? AUIU, the latter. So, if it is reasonable to assume they don't have the overall outlook on gas safety and the causes of gas safety as a Gas Safe engineer then it might be reasonable to wonder what horrors lurk in other people's homes. These amazing gas explosions which blow the fronts off houses: I wonder if they had a smart gas meter fitted recently? Nick |
Gas meter connection -safe?
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message ... After serious thinking wrote : Reporting smelling gas gets you instantly cut off & your install condemned, regardless of the cause. Only if a leakage is confirmed. I have a good nose, regularly spot leaks outside and report them. Most recently I smelled a leak from our local pressure regulator station. while on holiday in a rented flat in Rothesay in the 50's my mother went looking for a town gas leak with a match and found it with a nice wee flame spouting from a pipe........ Contrary to popular belief, searching for a gas leak with a lighted match is probably fairly sensible; as long as the whole house didn't blow up when you first lit the match, anyway. -- Roger Hayter |
Gas meter connection -safe?
"Roger Hayter" wrote in message ... Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: "Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message ... After serious thinking wrote : Reporting smelling gas gets you instantly cut off & your install condemned, regardless of the cause. Only if a leakage is confirmed. I have a good nose, regularly spot leaks outside and report them. Most recently I smelled a leak from our local pressure regulator station. while on holiday in a rented flat in Rothesay in the 50's my mother went looking for a town gas leak with a match and found it with a nice wee flame spouting from a pipe........ Contrary to popular belief, searching for a gas leak with a lighted match is probably fairly sensible; as long as the whole house didn't blow up when you first lit the match, anyway. but nobody was happy when she did that |
Gas meter connection -safe?
"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... "Roger Hayter" wrote in message ... Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: "Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message ... After serious thinking wrote : Reporting smelling gas gets you instantly cut off & your install condemned, regardless of the cause. Only if a leakage is confirmed. I have a good nose, regularly spot leaks outside and report them. Most recently I smelled a leak from our local pressure regulator station. while on holiday in a rented flat in Rothesay in the 50's my mother went looking for a town gas leak with a match and found it with a nice wee flame spouting from a pipe........ Contrary to popular belief, searching for a gas leak with a lighted match is probably fairly sensible; as long as the whole house didn't blow up when you first lit the match, anyway. but nobody was happy when she did that That was the year I got a dirty big skelf in my bare foot from the wooden Woolworths floors ....remember those? ..... |
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Gas meter connection -safe?
On 02/06/2019 13:09, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... "Roger Hayter" wrote in message ... Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: "Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message ... After serious thinking wrote : Reporting smelling gas gets you instantly cut off & your install condemned, regardless of the cause. Only if a leakage is confirmed. I have a good nose, regularly spot leaks outside and report them. Most recently I smelled a leak from our local pressure regulator station. while on holiday in a rented flat in Rothesay in the 50's my mother went looking for a town gas leak with a match and found it with a nice wee flame spouting from a pipe........ Contrary to popular belief, searching for a gas leak with a lighted match is probably fairly sensible; as long as the whole house didn't blow up when you first lit the match, anyway. but nobody was happy when she did that That was the year I got a dirty big skelf in my bare foot from the wooden Woolworths floors ....remember those? ..... We Sassenachs have things called "shoes". -- Max Demian |
Gas meter connection -safe?
Max Demian wrote:
On 02/06/2019 13:09, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... "Roger Hayter" wrote in message ... Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: "Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message ... After serious thinking wrote : Reporting smelling gas gets you instantly cut off & your install condemned, regardless of the cause. Only if a leakage is confirmed. I have a good nose, regularly spot leaks outside and report them. Most recently I smelled a leak from our local pressure regulator station. while on holiday in a rented flat in Rothesay in the 50's my mother went looking for a town gas leak with a match and found it with a nice wee flame spouting from a pipe........ Contrary to popular belief, searching for a gas leak with a lighted match is probably fairly sensible; as long as the whole house didn't blow up when you first lit the match, anyway. but nobody was happy when she did that That was the year I got a dirty big skelf in my bare foot from the wooden Woolworths floors ....remember those? ..... We Sassenachs have things called "shoes". Or "clogs" in the case of the North. Plenty of barefoot kids in the streets in 1960s Leeds. -- Roger Hayter |
Gas meter connection -safe?
Nick Odell wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: Nick Odell wrote: Are the people who install smart gas meters Gas Safe certified or are they simply trained up as meter installers? AUIU, the latter. So, if it is reasonable to assume they don't have the overall outlook on gas safety and the causes of gas safety as a Gas Safe engineer then it might be reasonable to wonder what horrors lurk in other people's homes. They will still have an outlook on safety, just that they are not on the Gas Safe register, e.g. from a job spec for smart meter personnel "Engineers should be Gas qualified with minimum CCN1/CMA1 AND MET1 and at least 1 year experience in gas installation." |
Gas meter connection -safe?
On 02/06/2019 07:34, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
After serious thinking wrote : Reporting smelling gas gets you instantly cut off & your install condemned, regardless of the cause. Only if a leakage is confirmed. I have a good nose, regularly spot leaks outside and report them. Most recently I smelled a leak from our local pressure regulator station. I once worked for a company that had a vessel containing 15 tons of liquified natural gas, used for fueling gas turbine or gas engined industrial compressors on test. When it was needed, liquid was fed to a small boiler that heated it and the chemical smell was added. They once suffered a leak in the chemical dosing system, releasing the undiluted chemical into the atmosphere. People from offices and housing all around the area were phoning reports of a massive gas leak in :) SteveW |
Gas meter connection -safe?
"Steve Walker" wrote in message ... On 02/06/2019 07:34, Harry Bloomfield wrote: After serious thinking wrote : Reporting smelling gas gets you instantly cut off & your install condemned, regardless of the cause. Only if a leakage is confirmed. I have a good nose, regularly spot leaks outside and report them. Most recently I smelled a leak from our local pressure regulator station. I once worked for a company that had a vessel containing 15 tons of liquified natural gas, used for fueling gas turbine or gas engined industrial compressors on test. When it was needed, liquid was fed to a small boiler that heated it and the chemical smell was added. They once suffered a leak in the chemical dosing system, releasing the undiluted chemical into the atmosphere. People from offices and housing all around the area were phoning reports of a massive gas leak in :) SteveW or too many onions .... |
Gas meter connection -safe?
On 02/06/2019 16:26, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Steve Walker" wrote in message ... On 02/06/2019 07:34, Harry Bloomfield wrote: After serious thinking wrote : Reporting smelling gas gets you instantly cut off & your install condemned, regardless of the cause. Only if a leakage is confirmed. I have a good nose, regularly spot leaks outside and report them. Most recently I smelled a leak from our local pressure regulator station. I once worked for a company that had a vessel containing 15 tons of liquified natural gas, used for fueling gas turbine or gas engined industrial compressors on test. When it was needed, liquid was fed to a small boiler that heated it and the chemical smell was added. They once suffered a leak in the chemical dosing system, releasing the undiluted chemical into the atmosphere. People from offices and housing all around the area were phoning reports of a massive gas leak in :) SteveW or too many onions .... Not quite the same though - I have also commissioned the controls on an odour control system at a curry factory and the smell when opening the inspection covers on the semi-closed cycle, spraymist absorption vessel is pretty well 100% onion. SteveW |
Gas meter connection -safe?
On 01/06/2019 16:18, F wrote:
https://flic.kr/p/2g6LbaV We've had smart meters installed (don't ask!) and I'm not too sure on whether or not the ribbed flexible connector to the supply is as it should be. It looks a little stretched with that tight bend at the right hand end. Anyone with relevant gas installation knowledge care to comment? Update: I got Network out and they pronounced it 'safe' but were not impressed with the quality of the install. -- F |
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