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Thinking of moving to west Cornwall. I'm used to old brick built houses
here, but there they're mainly old stone houses. We'd be looking at a terrace to start until we can sell here. One we saw had a downstairs fireplace intact but the upstairs fireplace removed. The hearthstone was still there but someone appears to have stolen the chimney breast, though the chimney is still on the roof. Here, I'd be very concerned, but the agent seemed to think it was quite normal. What witchcraft is this, does it mean that the flues are incorporated into the thickness of the wall and there was no chimney breast? Also, brick terraces can be quite noisy, side to side. Should I expect that a stone terrace is better in this respect? Cheers -- Clive |
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On 23/04/2019 15:52, Clive Arthur wrote:
Thinking of moving to west Cornwall.Â* I'm used to old brick built houses here, but there they're mainly old stone houses.Â* We'd be looking at a terrace to start until we can sell here. One we saw had a downstairs fireplace intact but the upstairs fireplace removed.Â* The hearthstone was still there but someone appears to have stolen the chimney breast, though the chimney is still on the roof. Here, I'd be very concerned, but the agent seemed to think it was quite normal.Â* What witchcraft is this, does it mean that the flues are incorporated into the thickness of the wall and there was no chimney breast? Also, brick terraces can be quite noisy, side to side.Â* Should I expect that a stone terrace is better in this respect? Cheers When you say stone, do you mean large bits cut to shape or what you might think of as pebbles? One issue may be the absense of a damp proof course. -- Michael Chare |
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On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 15:52:12 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:
Thinking of moving to west Cornwall. I'm used to old brick built houses here, but there they're mainly old stone houses. We'd be looking at a terrace to start until we can sell here. One we saw had a downstairs fireplace intact but the upstairs fireplace removed. The hearthstone was still there but someone appears to have stolen the chimney breast, though the chimney is still on the roof. Here, I'd be very concerned, but the agent seemed to think it was quite normal. What witchcraft is this, does it mean that the flues are incorporated into the thickness of the wall and there was no chimney breast? Also, brick terraces can be quite noisy, side to side. Should I expect that a stone terrace is better in this respect? Cheers -- Clive You need to get in the roof space and make sure that the chimney has not been left hanging in midair. It has been known. Another factor is when the chimney stack has multiple flues from adjacent properties. ie, back to back fireplaces. That can REALLY muck things up. A lot of noise in terrace houses comes via the roof space if the partition wall is not "sealed" to the roof. Usually stone built terrace houses have much thicker partition walls that transmit very little noise. |
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On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 15:52:12 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:
Thinking of moving to west Cornwall. I'm used to old brick built houses here, but there they're mainly old stone houses. We'd be looking at a terrace to start until we can sell here. One we saw had a downstairs fireplace intact but the upstairs fireplace removed. The hearthstone was still there but someone appears to have stolen the chimney breast, though the chimney is still on the roof. Here, I'd be very concerned, but the agent seemed to think it was quite normal. What witchcraft is this, does it mean that the flues are incorporated into the thickness of the wall and there was no chimney breast? Also, brick terraces can be quite noisy, side to side. Should I expect that a stone terrace is better in this respect? Cheers much heavier means less sound transmission. Cold & Radon are the prime problems. NT |
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On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 15:52:12 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:
Thinking of moving to west Cornwall. I'm used to old brick built houses here, but there they're mainly old stone houses. We'd be looking at a terrace to start until we can sell here. One we saw had a downstairs fireplace intact but the upstairs fireplace removed. The hearthstone was still there but someone appears to have stolen the chimney breast, though the chimney is still on the roof. Here, I'd be very concerned, but the agent seemed to think it was quite normal. What witchcraft is this, does it mean that the flues are incorporated into the thickness of the wall and there was no chimney breast? Also, brick terraces can be quite noisy, side to side. Should I expect that a stone terrace is better in this respect? Cornwall- think Radon. https://www.cornwall.gov.uk/environm...tection-radon/ |
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On 23/04/2019 16:12, Michael Chare wrote:
snip When you say stone, do you mean large bits cut to shape or what you might think of as pebbles? One issue may be the absense of a damp proof course. Large bits cut to shape. Cheers -- Clive |
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Get a structural survey done, might cost you a few hundred pounds but at least you will have peace of mind otherwise you are simply guessing and problems may come back to bite you. A house purchase is something you cannot afford to go wrong. Do not rely on a building society survey these can often only be drive by's their only concern is the valuation and how easy it is to get their money back in a foreclosure, sometimes they recommend some immediate repairs as part of mortgage conditions but are not as detailed as a structural survey.
You can always put a bid in for a property even a deposit subject to survey and simply walk away if the survey is unsatisfactory the only unrecoverable costs being that of the survey fee. Richard |
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harry wrote: On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 15:52:12 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote: Thinking of moving to west Cornwall. I'm used to old brick built houses here, but there they're mainly old stone houses. We'd be looking at a terrace to start until we can sell here. One we saw had a downstairs fireplace intact but the upstairs fireplace removed. The hearthstone was still there but someone appears to have stolen the chimney breast, though the chimney is still on the roof. Here, I'd be very concerned, but the agent seemed to think it was quite normal. What witchcraft is this, does it mean that the flues are incorporated into the thickness of the wall and there was no chimney breast? Also, brick terraces can be quite noisy, side to side. Should I expect that a stone terrace is better in this respect? Cornwall- think Radon. everybody in Cormwall is killed of by radiation? I think not. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
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On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 17:27:23 UTC+1, charles wrote:
everybody in Cormwall is killed of by radiation? I think not. I expect all that clotted cream has an effect on the arteries too Owain |
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On 23/04/2019 17:15, Tricky Dicky wrote:
Get a structural survey done, might cost you a few hundred pounds but at least you will have peace of mind otherwise you are simply guessing and problems may come back to bite you. A house purchase is something you cannot afford to go wrong. Do not rely on a building society survey these can often only be drive by's their only concern is the valuation and how easy it is to get their money back in a foreclosure, sometimes they recommend some immediate repairs as part of mortgage conditions but are not as detailed as a structural survey. You can always put a bid in for a property even a deposit subject to survey and simply walk away if the survey is unsatisfactory the only unrecoverable costs being that of the survey fee. Richard And a local surveyor who is familiar with the local old building types and structures. Remember they can only report on what they can see. TW |
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On 23/04/2019 17:53, Chris Hogg wrote:
snipped On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 15:52:05 +0100, Clive Arthur wrote: Thinking of moving to west Cornwall. I'm used to old brick built houses here, but there they're mainly old stone houses. We'd be looking at a terrace to start until we can sell here. So you'll be a neighbour, then. Can't really comment about the chimney, although if it's a granite cottage built a century or more ago, the walls are usually pretty thick, and the flue could well be within the wall. This picture is in Penzance, picked at random, but it seems there are streets and streets of this type of construction... Cheers -- Clive |
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On 23/04/2019 17:23, charles wrote:
In article , harry wrote: On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 15:52:12 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote: Thinking of moving to west Cornwall. I'm used to old brick built houses here, but there they're mainly old stone houses. We'd be looking at a terrace to start until we can sell here. One we saw had a downstairs fireplace intact but the upstairs fireplace removed. The hearthstone was still there but someone appears to have stolen the chimney breast, though the chimney is still on the roof. Here, I'd be very concerned, but the agent seemed to think it was quite normal. What witchcraft is this, does it mean that the flues are incorporated into the thickness of the wall and there was no chimney breast? Also, brick terraces can be quite noisy, side to side. Should I expect that a stone terrace is better in this respect? Cornwall- think Radon. everybody in Cormwall is killed of by radiation? I think not. smokers have an above average (for smokers) death rate. It is one of the very few real data points on radiation that show it having a slight ill effect. Cornwall is of course far more radiactive than the Fukushima exclusion zone... "There are a number of important radon hotspots in the UK. The most noticeable one is Cornwall in the south-west where the average UK background dose is 7.8 mSv, nearly three times the national average. This is due to the presence of igneous granite, which naturally contains more uranium (10-20 parts per million) than other rocks." http://wordpress.mrreid.org/2011/12/...ion-in-the-uk/ 7.8mSv is nowt to worry about. The problem is ground floors and cellars Where radon - which is very heavy - can collect. You can go 100 times higher if ventilation is not good. -- All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is fully understood. |
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On 23/04/2019 15:52, Clive Arthur wrote:
Thinking of moving to west Cornwall.Â* I'm used to old brick built houses here, but there they're mainly old stone houses.Â* We'd be looking at a terrace to start until we can sell here. One we saw had a downstairs fireplace intact but the upstairs fireplace removed.Â* The hearthstone was still there but someone appears to have stolen the chimney breast, though the chimney is still on the roof. Is there a distinct chimney breast downstairs, or is the wall three feet thick? It would be much more effort to remove a true "chimney breast" in a stone house than a brick one, so I think it is likely that the agent is right. Is there a loft where you can see the flue structure? Here, I'd be very concerned, but the agent seemed to think it was quite normal.Â* What witchcraft is this, does it mean that the flues are incorporated into the thickness of the wall and there was no chimney breast? Also, brick terraces can be quite noisy, side to side.Â* Should I expect that a stone terrace is better in this respect? It all depends. I think that in Cornwall you find both the random stone, "rubble fill" structure that we have in the Cotswolds (and many other parts of the UK) together with the "stone sawn into large bricks" construction that you find in early industrial Yorkshire and Lancashire. You also get the distinctive slate construction. It shouldn't be too difficult to get an idea of the "party wall" thickness by direct measurement. I would generally expect stone terraces to be better than brick. In my 1780's "rubble fill" end terrace cottage, the party wall was originally five inch oak "studwork" with lath and plaster on each side, but the neighbours side now has a concrete block face inboard of the "studding". Cheers |
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On 23/04/2019 16:48, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 08:22:11 -0700, tabbypurr wrote: On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 15:52:12 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote: Thinking of moving to west Cornwall. I'm used to old brick built houses here, but there they're mainly old stone houses. We'd be looking at a terrace to start until we can sell here. One we saw had a downstairs fireplace intact but the upstairs fireplace removed. The hearthstone was still there but someone appears to have stolen the chimney breast, though the chimney is still on the roof. Here, I'd be very concerned, but the agent seemed to think it was quite normal. What witchcraft is this, does it mean that the flues are incorporated into the thickness of the wall and there was no chimney breast? Also, brick terraces can be quite noisy, side to side. Should I expect that a stone terrace is better in this respect? Cheers much heavier means less sound transmission. Cold & Radon are the prime problems. NT Only if you have a cellar ? No, it still potentially comes up through the floor (depending on the construction). |
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On 23/04/2019 17:23, charles wrote:
In article , harry wrote: On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 15:52:12 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote: Thinking of moving to west Cornwall. I'm used to old brick built houses here, but there they're mainly old stone houses. We'd be looking at a terrace to start until we can sell here. One we saw had a downstairs fireplace intact but the upstairs fireplace removed. The hearthstone was still there but someone appears to have stolen the chimney breast, though the chimney is still on the roof. Here, I'd be very concerned, but the agent seemed to think it was quite normal. What witchcraft is this, does it mean that the flues are incorporated into the thickness of the wall and there was no chimney breast? Also, brick terraces can be quite noisy, side to side. Should I expect that a stone terrace is better in this respect? Cornwall- think Radon. everybody in Cormwall is killed of by radiation? I think not. After their Brexit vote I was thinking brain damage. |
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On 23/04/2019 18:31, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 23/04/2019 17:53, Chris Hogg wrote: snipped On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 15:52:05 +0100, Clive Arthur wrote: Thinking of moving to west Cornwall.Â* I'm used to old brick built houses here, but there they're mainly old stone houses.Â* We'd be looking at a terrace to start until we can sell here. So you'll be a neighbour, then. Can't really comment about the chimney, although if it's a granite cottage built a century or more ago, the walls are usually pretty thick, and the flue could well be within the wall. This picture is in Penzance, picked at random, but it seems there are streets and streets of this type of construction... Cheers Yes well those are what I think of as stone "bricks". Wall thickness (including party walls) is likely to be at least 9 inches. They will be single skin of course. |
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On 23/04/2019 19:45, newshound wrote:
On 23/04/2019 17:23, charles wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â* harry wrote: On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 15:52:12 UTC+1, Clive ArthurÂ* wrote: Thinking of moving to west Cornwall.Â* I'm used to old brick built houses here, but there they're mainly old stone houses.Â* We'd be looking at a terrace to start until we can sell here. One we saw had a downstairs fireplace intact but the upstairs fireplace removed.Â* The hearthstone was still there but someone appears to have stolen the chimney breast, though the chimney is still on the roof. Here, I'd be very concerned, but the agent seemed to think it was quite normal.Â* What witchcraft is this, does it mean that the flues are incorporated into the thickness of the wall and there was no chimney breast? Also, brick terraces can be quite noisy, side to side.Â* Should I expect that a stone terrace is better in this respect? Cornwall- think Radon. everybody in Cormwall is killed of by radiation?Â* I think not. After their Brexit vote I was thinking brain damage. Nah. you get that from Brown Rice and Islington -- How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think. Adolf Hitler |
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On 23/04/2019 23:02, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: smokers have an above average (for smokers) death rate. This is because the smoke is inhaled deep into the lungs. It is one of the very few real data points on radiation that show it having a slight ill effect. Cornwall is of course far more radiactive than the Fukushima exclusion zone... "There are a number of important radon hotspots in the UK. The most noticeable one is Cornwall in the south-west where the average UK background dose is 7.8 mSv, nearly three times the national average. This is due to the presence of igneous granite, which naturally contains more uranium (10-20 parts per million) than other rocks." Oy, you should know better than this. 7.8 mSv PER WHAT? Year. I assume. I cut and pasted that. -- "First, find out who are the people you can not criticise. They are your oppressors." - George Orwell |
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On 23/04/2019 16:48, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 08:22:11 -0700, tabbypurr wrote: On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 15:52:12 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote: Thinking of moving to west Cornwall. I'm used to old brick built houses here, but there they're mainly old stone houses. We'd be looking at a terrace to start until we can sell here. One we saw had a downstairs fireplace intact but the upstairs fireplace removed. The hearthstone was still there but someone appears to have stolen the chimney breast, though the chimney is still on the roof. Here, I'd be very concerned, but the agent seemed to think it was quite normal. What witchcraft is this, does it mean that the flues are incorporated into the thickness of the wall and there was no chimney breast? Also, brick terraces can be quite noisy, side to side. Should I expect that a stone terrace is better in this respect? Cheers much heavier means less sound transmission. Cold & Radon are the prime problems. NT Only if you have a cellar ? A cellar means you can ventilate the Radon away. |
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On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 17:15:58 UTC+1, Tricky Dicky wrote:
Get a structural survey done, might cost you a few hundred pounds but at least you will have peace of mind otherwise you are simply guessing and problems may come back to bite you. A house purchase is something you cannot afford to go wrong. Do not rely on a building society survey these can often only be drive by's their only concern is the valuation and how easy it is to get their money back in a foreclosure, sometimes they recommend some immediate repairs as part of mortgage conditions but are not as detailed as a structural survey. You can always put a bid in for a property even a deposit subject to survey and simply walk away if the survey is unsatisfactory the only unrecoverable costs being that of the survey fee. Richard It's far better to see if there are any obvious problems before you get these wasters in. Save some money. If anything is wrong demand a price reduction. |
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On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 17:27:23 UTC+1, charles wrote:
In article , harry wrote: On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 15:52:12 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote: Thinking of moving to west Cornwall. I'm used to old brick built houses here, but there they're mainly old stone houses. We'd be looking at a terrace to start until we can sell here. One we saw had a downstairs fireplace intact but the upstairs fireplace removed. The hearthstone was still there but someone appears to have stolen the chimney breast, though the chimney is still on the roof. Here, I'd be very concerned, but the agent seemed to think it was quite normal. What witchcraft is this, does it mean that the flues are incorporated into the thickness of the wall and there was no chimney breast? Also, brick terraces can be quite noisy, side to side. Should I expect that a stone terrace is better in this respect? Cornwall- think Radon. everybody in Cormwall is killed of by radiation? I think not. You really are a ****-fer-brains. A significant number die horribly of cancer and have their life shortened. The ones that don't address the problem. |
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writes Here, I'd be very concerned, but the agent seemed to think it was quite normal. What witchcraft is this, does it mean that the flues are incorporated into the thickness of the wall and there was no chimney breast? Interesting question. We're at the opposite end (Aberdeenshire), in a granite built house (1880s), with solid granite external walls 32 - 36 inches thick. Most fireplaces have been removed over the years, but some were conventional with a chimney breast while others were in the wall. Easy to see, as below the carpet the original granite heath is still visible. All the fireplaces are/were on external walls. Yes, granite houses are cold, but Aberdeenshire is colder than Cornwall. Yes, parts of Aberdeenshire, like parts of Cornwall, enjoy Radon, but I have yet to meet anyone who worries about it, or has taken any form of action. -- Graeme |
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On 24/04/2019 11:02, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 19:44:51 +0100, newshound wrote: On 23/04/2019 16:48, Jethro_uk wrote: On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 08:22:11 -0700, tabbypurr wrote: On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 15:52:12 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote: Thinking of moving to west Cornwall. I'm used to old brick built houses here, but there they're mainly old stone houses. We'd be looking at a terrace to start until we can sell here. One we saw had a downstairs fireplace intact but the upstairs fireplace removed. The hearthstone was still there but someone appears to have stolen the chimney breast, though the chimney is still on the roof. Here, I'd be very concerned, but the agent seemed to think it was quite normal. What witchcraft is this, does it mean that the flues are incorporated into the thickness of the wall and there was no chimney breast? Also, brick terraces can be quite noisy, side to side. Should I expect that a stone terrace is better in this respect? Cheers much heavier means less sound transmission. Cold & Radon are the prime problems. NT Only if you have a cellar ? No, it still potentially comes up through the floor (depending on the construction). I thought it was heavier than air ... if so how does it come "up" ? Well if you really believe the cellar is sealed, it will fill up. And then come up. In reality dynamic pressure changes associated with wind on doors and windows will be more than enough to "stir things up" so that it mixes with ground floor air. |
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On 24/04/2019 13:58, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 13:37:17 +0100, newshound wrote: I thought it was heavier than air ... if so how does it come "up" ? Well if you really believe the cellar is sealed, it will fill up. And then come up. In reality dynamic pressure changes associated with wind on doors and windows will be more than enough to "stir things up" so that it mixes with ground floor air. Not sure I'd trust that with LPG ... known for pooling and exploding ... One reason being that LPG cools significantly as it leaks. It doesn't alter the fact that it will eventually disperse by diffusion anyway, if it is not being replaced. You need quite a deep containment (like a ship's hold or a brewing vessel) for carbon dioxide to be really dangerous (unless there is a huge leak). |
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On Wednesday, 24 April 2019 08:54:58 UTC+1, Graeme wrote:
In message , Clive Arthur writes Here, I'd be very concerned, but the agent seemed to think it was quite normal. What witchcraft is this, does it mean that the flues are incorporated into the thickness of the wall and there was no chimney breast? Interesting question. We're at the opposite end (Aberdeenshire), in a granite built house (1880s), with solid granite external walls 32 - 36 inches thick. Most fireplaces have been removed over the years, but some were conventional with a chimney breast while others were in the wall. Easy to see, as below the carpet the original granite heath is still visible. All the fireplaces are/were on external walls. Yes, granite houses are cold, but Aberdeenshire is colder than Cornwall. Yes, parts of Aberdeenshire, like parts of Cornwall, enjoy Radon, but I have yet to meet anyone who worries about it, or has taken any form of action. If you go down your local builders merchant, they will have radon proof membranes. They even have it where I live. But then I hear you associate with some very dim people. https://www.google.com/search?q=rado...hrome&ie=UTF-8 |
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On 24/04/2019 11:02, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 19:44:51 +0100, newshound wrote: On 23/04/2019 16:48, Jethro_uk wrote: On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 08:22:11 -0700, tabbypurr wrote: On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 15:52:12 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote: Thinking of moving to west Cornwall. I'm used to old brick built houses here, but there they're mainly old stone houses. We'd be looking at a terrace to start until we can sell here. One we saw had a downstairs fireplace intact but the upstairs fireplace removed. The hearthstone was still there but someone appears to have stolen the chimney breast, though the chimney is still on the roof. Here, I'd be very concerned, but the agent seemed to think it was quite normal. What witchcraft is this, does it mean that the flues are incorporated into the thickness of the wall and there was no chimney breast? Also, brick terraces can be quite noisy, side to side. Should I expect that a stone terrace is better in this respect? Cheers much heavier means less sound transmission. Cold & Radon are the prime problems. NT Only if you have a cellar ? No, it still potentially comes up through the floor (depending on the construction). I thought it was heavier than air ... if so how does it come "up" ? overpressure. And diffusion -- New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in someone else's pocket. |
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On 23/04/2019 17:15, Tricky Dicky wrote:
Get a structural survey done, might cost you a few hundred pounds but at least you will have peace of mind otherwise you are simply guessing and problems may come back to bite you. A house purchase is something you cannot afford to go wrong. Do not rely on a building society survey these can often only be drive by's their only concern is the valuation and how easy it is to get their money back in a foreclosure, sometimes they recommend some immediate repairs as part of mortgage conditions but are not as detailed as a structural survey. You can always put a bid in for a property even a deposit subject to survey and simply walk away if the survey is unsatisfactory the only unrecoverable costs being that of the survey fee. Did you mean a look on Google Street view or a real drive by in a car? Maybe even slowing down to 20MPH as they pass the house on their way to Starbucks? -- Adam |
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On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 15:52:12 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:
You shouldn't throw glass in stone houses or something like that. :-) |
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On 24/04/2019 15:10, harry wrote:
If you go down your local builders merchant, they will have radon proof membranes. They even have it where I live. But then I hear you associate with some very dim people. https://www.google.com/search?q=rado...mbrane&aqs=chr That proves there is a market for them - possibly driven by the NRPB advice that Chris's link discredits. It does not prove there is a need. Andy |
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On Thursday, 25 April 2019 21:23:12 UTC+1, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 24/04/2019 15:10, harry wrote: If you go down your local builders merchant, they will have radon proof membranes. They even have it where I live. But then I hear you associate with some very dim people. https://www.google.com/search?q=rado...mbrane&aqs=chr That proves there is a market for them - possibly driven by the NRPB advice that Chris's link discredits. It does not prove there is a need. Andy What is this Chris's link? |
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On 25/04/2019 21:23, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 24/04/2019 15:10, harry wrote: If you go down your local builders merchant, they will have radon proof membranes. They even have it where I live. But then I hear you associate with some very dim people. https://www.google.com/search?q=rado...mbrane&aqs=chr That proves there is a market for them - possibly driven by the NRPB advice that Chris's link discredits. It does not prove there is a need. Andy I think it is part of building regs. -- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. Mark Twain |
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On 24/04/2019 08:58, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 08:19:04 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote: On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 23:11:26 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote: On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 17:27:23 UTC+1, charles wrote: In article , harry wrote: Cornwall- think Radon. everybody in Cormwall is killed of by radiation? I think not. You really are a ****-fer-brains. A significant number die horribly of cancer and have their life shortened. The ones that don't address the problem. I shall be interested to see your evidence that radon in Cornwall causes a significant number there to die of cancer caused by it. In reality, there isn't any evidence (I looked, a few years ago; IIRC lung cancer rates were below the national average). Very few people 'address the problem', as you put it, because there isn't a problem. As usual you're talking through your arse. See for example https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1068/a251361 "The differences between observed and predicted mortality in Cornwall and Devon districts were compared with average indoor levels of radon, which varied considerably between districts. Residual variations in lung cancer mortality were not significantly correlated with average indoor radon measurements. The current advice of the National Radiological Protection Board to government is to concentrate radon measurements, remedial action, and preventive action principally on Cornwall and Devon, but cross-sectional geographical data do not support the hypothesis that raised levels of radon indoors in southwest England have an important effect on lung cancer mortality". Note that last sentence! A more recent article written by health professionals ('yours' is written by an economic geographer): "Radon is the second leading cause of lung cancer among smokers and the leading cause among non-smokers . . . Lung cancer is the leading cause of cancer death in the United States (US), and smoking is the strongest risk factor for the disease [1]. The second greatest risk factor is exposure to radon, which causes approximately 21,000 cases of lung cancer per year [2€“8]. High levels of radon exposure in homes have been associated with lung cancer risk, regardless of the patients smoking status, according to analyses of pooled data from multiple studies in China, Europe, and North America" (p.962) Acree, P., Puckett, M., & Neri, A. (2017). Evaluating Progress in Radon Control Activities for Lung Cancer Prevention in National Comprehensive Cancer Control Program Plans, 2011€“2015. Journal of Community Health, 42(5), 962€“967. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10900-017-0342-7 -- Cheers, Rob |
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On 26/04/2019 08:36, RJH wrote:
On 24/04/2019 08:58, Chris Hogg wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 08:19:04 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote: On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 23:11:26 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote: On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 17:27:23 UTC+1, charlesÂ* wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â* harry wrote: Cornwall- think Radon. everybody in Cormwall is killed of by radiation?Â* I think not. You really are a ****-fer-brains. A significant number die horribly of cancer and have their life shortened. The ones that don't address the problem. I shall be interested to see your evidence that radon in Cornwall causes a significant number there to die of cancer caused by it. In reality, there isn't any evidence (I looked, a few years ago; IIRC lung cancer rates were below the national average). Very few people 'address the problem', as you put it, because there isn't a problem. As usual you're talking through your arse. See for example https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1068/a251361 "The differences between observed and predicted mortality in Cornwall and Devon districts were compared with average indoor levels of radon, which varied considerably between districts. Residual variations in lung cancer mortality were not significantly correlated with average indoor radon measurements. The current advice of the National Radiological Protection Board to government is to concentrate radon measurements, remedial action, and preventive action principally on Cornwall and Devon, but cross-sectional geographical data do not support the hypothesis that raised levels of radon indoors in southwest England have an important effect on lung cancer mortality". Note that last sentence! A more recent article written by health professionals ('yours' is written by an economic geographer): "Radon is the second leading cause of lung cancer among smokers and the leading cause among non-smokers . . . Lung cancer is the leading cause of cancer death in the United States (US), and smoking is the strongest risk factor for the disease [1]. The second greatest risk factor is exposure to radon, which causes approximately 21,000 cases of lung cancer per year [2€“8]. High levels of radon exposure in homes have been associated with lung cancer risk, regardless of the patients smoking status, according to analyses of pooled data from multiple studies in China, Europe, and North America" (p.962) Acree, P., Puckett, M., & Neri, A. (2017). Evaluating Progress in Radon Control Activities for Lung Cancer Prevention in National Comprehensive Cancer Control Program Plans, 2011€“2015. Journal of Community Health, 42(5), 962€“967. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10900-017-0342-7 Of course the actual radiation may in the end not be the problem Radon has a relatively short half life and rapidly decays via polonium/bismuth/thallium to lead. All of these are heavy metals that in people with restricted cough ability (smokers) is likely to lead to long term retention of inhaled gases and decay products and tissue damage. -- Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques. |
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On 23/04/2019 17:53, Chris Hogg wrote:
snipped On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 15:52:05 +0100, Clive Arthur wrote: Thinking of moving to west Cornwall. So you'll be a neighbour, then. What's the local situation regarding tradesmen? You get (obviously) more house for your money if it needs work, but I don't have the time or most of the skills. Here, in Berks, getting work done can be a bit of a struggle and expensive. Cheers -- Clive |
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On 25/04/2019 21:23, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 24/04/2019 15:10, harry wrote: If you go down your local builders merchant, they will have radon proof membranes. They even have it where I live. But then I hear you associate with some very dim people. https://www.google.com/search?q=rado...mbrane&aqs=chr That proves there is a market for them - possibly driven by the NRPB advice that Chris's link discredits. The surveyor of my house (in South Somerset) three years ago was obliged to cut-n-paste the following in the survey: 4.5 The following statement was prepared by the RICS and must be included in survey reports for properties in areas notified as possibly affected by radon; this includes Dorset, Devon and Somerset. The paragraph may not apply to the specific location: €œThe National Radiological Protection Board of Chilton, Didcot, Oxfordshire OX11 0RO (NRPB) has identified the area in which the property is situated as one in which, in more that 1% of the dwellings, the levels of radon gas entering the property are such that remedial action is recommended. Radon is a naturally occurring, colourless gas that is radioactive and is present in varying quantities in all rocks and soils. A Government survey has shown that the majority of houses in the UK do not have significant radon levels. For most people the risk from radon is insignificant compared to the other risks of everyday life, such as fatal accidents in the home. It is not possible during an inspection or survey to determine whether radon gas is present in any given building as the gas is colourless and odourless. Tests can be carried out to assess the level of radon in a building. At a small charge, test instruments and results are available by post from the NRPB and other approved laboratories. The minimum testing period is three months. The NRPB strongly advises against using shorter-term testing instruments as they can give misleading results. If tests have not been carried out, they are recommended. It has been the experience of the NRPB that it is not expensive, in proportion to the value of the property to take the recommended remedial measures.€ 4.6 The National Radiological Protection Board has now been renamed as the Health Protection Agency It does not prove there is a need. -- djc (–€Ì¿Ä¹Ì¯–€Ì¿ Ì¿) No low-hanging fruit, just a lot of small berries up a tall tree. |
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On 26/04/2019 08:36, RJH wrote:
A more recent article written by health professionals ('yours' is written by an economic geographer): "Radon is the second leading cause of lung cancer among smokers and the leading cause among non-smokers . . . Lung cancer is the leading cause of cancer death in the United States (US), and smoking is the strongest risk factor for the disease [1]. The second greatest risk factor is exposure to radon, which causes approximately 21,000 cases of lung cancer per year [2€“8]. High levels of radon exposure in homes have been associated with lung cancer risk, regardless of the patients smoking status, according to analyses of pooled data from multiple studies in China, Europe, and North America" (p.962) Acree, P., Puckett, M., & Neri, A. (2017). Evaluating Progress in Radon Control Activities for Lung Cancer Prevention in National Comprehensive Cancer Control Program Plans, 2011€“2015. Journal of Community Health, 42(5), 962€“967. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10900-017-0342-7 Thank you. That does indeed suggest there is a risk. Summary suggests a couple of thousand cases annually in the USA. If I lived in a granite area I think I'd follow more of the links! Andy |
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