I was tightening the nut to the bottom flange
of my old copper immersion tank
when a tiny fountain of water appeared.

I'm draining it now.

Can it be mended tomorrow?
How?

(There's a really good plumbers in Bromyard,
they sell 3/4 inch olives, hemp string etc.)

Can I mend it or do I have to buy another?

The tank has 4 connections, cold in, rayburn in and out, hot out.

I can't light the rayburn without the water connected or its water tank may crack.

George

On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:59:37 -0800 (PST), George Miles
wrote:

I was tightening the nut to the bottom flange
of my old copper immersion tank
when a tiny fountain of water appeared.

I'm draining it now.

Can it be mended tomorrow?
How?

(There's a really good plumbers in Bromyard,
they sell 3/4 inch olives, hemp string etc.)

Can I mend it or do I have to buy another?

Accessible? Spot of solder?

Thomas Prufer

Depends where the leak is, how old the tank is too, as if there is one dodgy
bit, there could be many. I would definitely plan for the worst myself.
Brian

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On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:59:37 -0800 (PST), George Miles

wrote:

I was tightening the nut to the bottom flange
of my old copper immersion tank
when a tiny fountain of water appeared.

I'm draining it now.

Can it be mended tomorrow?
How?

(There's a really good plumbers in Bromyard,
they sell 3/4 inch olives, hemp string etc.)

Can I mend it or do I have to buy another?

Accessible? Spot of solder?

Thomas Prufer

It will be accessible when i've drained it and unbolted the 4 pipes.

I have an electric solder iron and a little gas burner, but wouldnt the whole copper cylinder have to be heated up somehow?

[g]

On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 9:04:04 PM UTC, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:59:37 -0800 (PST), George Miles
wrote:

I was tightening the nut to the bottom flange
of my old copper immersion tank
when a tiny fountain of water appeared.

I'm draining it now.

Can it be mended tomorrow?
How?

(There's a really good plumbers in Bromyard,
they sell 3/4 inch olives, hemp string etc.)

Can I mend it or do I have to buy another?

Accessible? Spot of solder?

Thomas Prufer

George Miles wrote:

I was tightening the nut to the bottom flange
of my old copper immersion tank
when a tiny fountain of water appeared.

I repeat my advice from the 10th of May

George Miles pretended :
It will be accessible when i've drained it and unbolted the 4 pipes.

I have an electric solder iron and a little gas burner, but wouldnt the whole
copper cylinder have to be heated up somehow?

It will need a decent blow lamp, at the very least - the mass of the
copper will draw heat away from where you are trying to solder, quite
rapidly.

PS there is a blacksmith in the village if the whole copper cylinder needs heating for a repair?

On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 9:10:13 PM UTC, George Miles wrote:
It will be accessible when i've drained it and unbolted the 4 pipes.

I have an electric solder iron and a little gas burner, but wouldnt the whole copper cylinder have to be heated up somehow?

[g]

On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 9:04:04 PM UTC, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:59:37 -0800 (PST), George Miles
wrote:

I was tightening the nut to the bottom flange
of my old copper immersion tank
when a tiny fountain of water appeared.

I'm draining it now.

Can it be mended tomorrow?
How?

(There's a really good plumbers in Bromyard,
they sell 3/4 inch olives, hemp string etc.)

Can I mend it or do I have to buy another?

Accessible? Spot of solder?

Thomas Prufer

On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 13:10:11 -0800 (PST), George Miles
wrote:

I have an electric solder iron and a little gas burner, but wouldnt the whole copper cylinder have to be heated up somehow?

No, just around the (scrupulously clean) pinhole.

First, See if there'a hole in the tank, or if it's leakign around something:

https://youtu.be/ggALh9XpxRw

Thomas Prufer

Andy Burns Wrote in message:
George Miles wrote:

I was tightening the nut to the bottom flange
of my old copper immersion tank
when a tiny fountain of water appeared.

I repeat my advice from the 10th of May


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On 14/12/2018 20:59, George Miles wrote:
I was tightening the nut to the bottom flange
of my old copper immersion tank
when a tiny fountain of water appeared.

I'm draining it now.

Can it be mended tomorrow?
How?

(There's a really good plumbers in Bromyard,
they sell 3/4 inch olives, hemp string etc.)

Can I mend it or do I have to buy another?


With a similar problem I ended up buying a new tank with 2" of foam
cover. As a result of being in a hard water area there was much crud in
the old tank. It was impossible to remove the immersion heater even
after the tank had been removed. I was able to sell it for scrap.


--
Michael Chare

On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 10:11:38 PM UTC, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 13:10:11 -0800 (PST), George Miles
wrote:

I have an electric solder iron and a little gas burner, but wouldnt the whole copper cylinder have to be heated up somehow?

No, just around the (scrupulously clean) pinhole.

First, See if there'a hole in the tank, or if it's leakign around something:

https://youtu.be/ggALh9XpxRw

Thomas Prufer

That's the exact video I looked at 2 nights ago,
dereton33
I bought hemp string from Bromyard,
fixed the flange ,
but then the hole appeared on the other side!

I've removed the tank and am taking it into Bromyard tomorrow for advice,
might get the hole brazed or soldered,
might have to get another tank..

George

George Miles wrote:
PS there is a blacksmith in the village if the whole copper cylinder needs heating for a repair?

On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 9:10:13 PM UTC, George Miles wrote:
It will be accessible when i've drained it and unbolted the 4 pipes.

I have an electric solder iron and a little gas burner, but wouldnt the whole copper cylinder have to be heated up somehow?

[g]

On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 9:04:04 PM UTC, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:59:37 -0800 (PST), George Miles
wrote:

I was tightening the nut to the bottom flange
of my old copper immersion tank
when a tiny fountain of water appeared.

I'm draining it now.

Can it be mended tomorrow?
How?

(There's a really good plumbers in Bromyard,
they sell 3/4 inch olives, hemp string etc.)

Can I mend it or do I have to buy another?

Accessible? Spot of solder?

Thomas Prufer

People have been soldering copper sheet with a heavy soldering irons for
eons with no problems

On Friday, 14 December 2018 20:59:40 UTC, George Miles wrote:
I was tightening the nut to the bottom flange
of my old copper immersion tank
when a tiny fountain of water appeared.

I'm draining it now.

Can it be mended tomorrow?
How?

(There's a really good plumbers in Bromyard,
they sell 3/4 inch olives, hemp string etc.)

Can I mend it or do I have to buy another?

The tank has 4 connections, cold in, rayburn in and out, hot out.

I can't light the rayburn without the water connected or its water tank may crack.

George

If there's a pinhole in the copper, it's very likely there's more incipient ones.
Make a temporary repair & replace the tank later.

Even a small leak can do a lot of damage if not noticed.

On Saturday, 15 December 2018 04:14:09 UTC, FMurtz wrote:
George Miles wrote:
On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 9:10:13 PM UTC, George Miles wrote:
On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 9:04:04 PM UTC, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:59:37 -0800 (PST), George Miles
wrote:

I was tightening the nut to the bottom flange
of my old copper immersion tank
when a tiny fountain of water appeared.

I'm draining it now.

Can it be mended tomorrow?
How?

I have an electric solder iron and a little gas burner, but wouldnt the whole copper cylinder have to be heated up somehow?


Can I mend it or do I have to buy another?

People have been soldering copper sheet with a heavy soldering irons for
eons with no problems

heavy, yes. If it's an iron for electronics forget it.


NT

On 14/12/2018 21:10, George Miles wrote:
It will be accessible when i've drained it and unbolted the 4 pipes.

I have an electric solder iron and a little gas burner, but wouldnt the whole copper cylinder have to be heated up somehow?

[g]

On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 9:04:04 PM UTC, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:59:37 -0800 (PST), George Miles
wrote:

I was tightening the nut to the bottom flange
of my old copper immersion tank
when a tiny fountain of water appeared.

I'm draining it now.

Can it be mended tomorrow?
How?

(There's a really good plumbers in Bromyard,
they sell 3/4 inch olives, hemp string etc.)

Can I mend it or do I have to buy another?

Accessible? Spot of solder?

Thomas Prufer

Likely to be a tough thing to solder IMHO, but I have used the
"plumbers" epoxy putty very successfully on this sort of thing in the past.

On 15/12/2018 04:13, FMurtz wrote:
George Miles wrote:
PS there is a blacksmith in the village if the whole copper cylinder
needs heating for a repair?

On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 9:10:13 PM UTC, George Miles wrote:
It will be accessible when i've drained it and unbolted the 4 pipes.

I have an electric solder iron and a little gas burner, but wouldnt
the whole copper cylinder have to be heated up somehow?

[g]

On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 9:04:04 PM UTC, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:59:37 -0800 (PST), George Miles

wrote:

I was tightening the nut to the bottom flange
of my old copper immersion tank
when a tiny fountain of water appeared.

I'm draining it now.

Can it be mended tomorrow?
How?

(There's a really good plumbers in Bromyard,
they sell 3/4 inch olives, hemp string etc.)

Can I mend it or do I have to buy another?

Accessible? Spot of solder?

Thomas Prufer

People have been soldering copper sheet with a heavy soldering irons for
eons with no problems

Yes, when you have got good access and are able to clean it with an acid
flux. Don't really have enough info on the story to judge. I'm guessing
that it might not be that easy to take out in order to work on it in
good light, and in a favourable orientation.

On 15/12/2018 08:41, harry wrote:
On Friday, 14 December 2018 20:59:40 UTC, George Miles wrote:
I was tightening the nut to the bottom flange
of my old copper immersion tank
when a tiny fountain of water appeared.

I'm draining it now.

Can it be mended tomorrow?
How?

(There's a really good plumbers in Bromyard,
they sell 3/4 inch olives, hemp string etc.)

Can I mend it or do I have to buy another?

The tank has 4 connections, cold in, rayburn in and out, hot out.

I can't light the rayburn without the water connected or its water tank may crack.

George

If there's a pinhole in the copper, it's very likely there's more incipient ones.
Make a temporary repair & replace the tank later.

Even a small leak can do a lot of damage if not noticed.

+1

newshound wrote:
On 14/12/2018 21:10, George Miles wrote:
It will be accessible when i've drained it and unbolted the 4 pipes.

I have an electric solder iron and a little gas burner, but wouldnt
the whole copper cylinder have to be heated up somehow? [g]

On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 9:04:04 PM UTC, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:59:37 -0800 (PST), George Miles
wrote:

I was tightening the nut to the bottom flange
of my old copper immersion tank
when a tiny fountain of water appeared.

I'm draining it now.

Can it be mended tomorrow?
How?

(There's a really good plumbers in Bromyard,
they sell 3/4 inch olives, hemp string etc.)

Can I mend it or do I have to buy another?

Accessible? Spot of solder?

Thomas Prufer

Likely to be a tough thing to solder IMHO, but I have used the
"plumbers" epoxy putty very successfully on this sort of thing in the

If the copper cylinder has white spots on it {?} these are potential leaks
caused by electrolyses - brass to copper. Probably spelt wrong.






past.

On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 15:36:23 -0800 (PST), George Miles
wrote:

On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 10:11:38 PM UTC, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 13:10:11 -0800 (PST), George Miles
wrote:

I have an electric solder iron and a little gas burner, but wouldnt the whole copper cylinder have to be heated up somehow?

No, just around the (scrupulously clean) pinhole.

First, See if there'a hole in the tank, or if it's leakign around something:

https://youtu.be/ggALh9XpxRw

I was unscrewing my old immersion heater to replace it, and succeeded
in ripping the surrounding copper of the tank. I had no idea the
copper was so thin. I had some small printed circuit RF coils with
copper housings, and I was able to cut these up to make small copper
pieces which I soldered over the holes in the cylinder. I had to buy a
more powerful blowlamp to get the cylinder hot enough.
--
Dave W
Thomas Prufer

That's the exact video I looked at 2 nights ago,
dereton33
I bought hemp string from Bromyard,
fixed the flange ,
but then the hole appeared on the other side!

I've removed the tank and am taking it into Bromyard tomorrow for advice,
might get the hole brazed or soldered,
might have to get another tank..

George

On 14/12/2018 23:33, Michael Chare wrote:
With a similar problem I ended up buying a new tank with 2" of foam
cover. As a result of being in a hard water area there was much crud in
the old tank. It was impossible to remove the immersion heater even
after the tank had been removed. I was able to sell it for scrap.

me too

Our tank was ageing, uninsulated, and obviously scaled up from the way
the boiler kept cycling when trying to heat water. With the new boiler
and some new rads I had them replace it too.

It leaked when they moved it.

When I leaned it over (outside) to look inside the bottom fell off...

Replace it.

Andy