as I am having difficulty getting someone to do a swap for my boiler, I was
wonder what current prices are for a completely new system as a replacement

combi boiler with instant hot water.

2 bed flat, so perhaps 6 rads, simple linear layout, wooden boarded floor
with pipe work to be installed between joists.

any ideas anyone?

(and before anyone gives me the S Yorkshire price, this is M25 area :-( )

tim

(and before anyone gives me the S Yorkshire price, this is M25 area :-( )

tim



FX WAVES FRANTICALLY
So you're in Prestwich too? ;-)


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"Graham." wrote in message
...


(and before anyone gives me the S Yorkshire price, this is M25 area :-( )

tim



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So you're in Prestwich too? ;-)

Um no

:-(

tim

On 26/10/2018 11:22, Graham. wrote:


(and before anyone gives me the S Yorkshire price, this is M25 area :-( )

tim



FX WAVES FRANTICALLY
So you're in Prestwich too? ;-)

STWNFI has just had a quote for a new Rayburn to also replace our oil
boiler. £15,000 plus brick work to restore the chimney and widen the
opening.

Mike

On 26/10/18 11:00, tim... wrote:
as I am having difficulty getting someone to do a swap for my boiler, I
was wonder what current prices are for a completely new system as a
replacement

combi boiler with instant hot water.

2 bed flat, so perhaps 6 rads, simple linear layout, wooden boarded
floor with pipe work to be installed between joists.

any ideas anyone?

(and before anyone gives me the S Yorkshire price, this is M25 area :-( )

I've seen a swap the other year (altering existing pipework but
otherwise no new pipework) with a new WB 30i Combi done for a bit over 2
grand.

That boiler can be had for a bit over 1 grand inc VAT. So that should
give you some idea of the GasSafe / fitting overheads. This was in an
expensive area in the SE, so you will probably be able to get it for
less even in the M25.

On 26/10/2018 13:36, tim... wrote:


"Muddymike" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 26/10/2018 11:22, Graham. wrote:


(and before anyone gives me the S Yorkshire price, this is M25 area
:-( )

tim



FX WAVES FRANTICALLY
So you're in Prestwich too? ;-)

STWNFI has just had a quote for a new Rayburn to also replace our oil
boiler. £15,000 plus brick work to restore the chimney and widen the
opening.

that's a bit more than I was expecting :-(

and I haven't a clue who STWNFI is

she that will not ????

**** indoors.

tim





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authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

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"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 26/10/18 11:00, tim... wrote:
as I am having difficulty getting someone to do a swap for my boiler, I
was wonder what current prices are for a completely new system as a
replacement

combi boiler with instant hot water.

2 bed flat, so perhaps 6 rads, simple linear layout, wooden boarded floor
with pipe work to be installed between joists.

any ideas anyone?

(and before anyone gives me the S Yorkshire price, this is M25 area :-( )

I've seen a swap the other year (altering existing pipework but otherwise
no new pipework) with a new WB 30i Combi done for a bit over 2 grand.

I'm aware that a like for like boiler replacement costs around 2 grand.

But I don't want like for like, because I'm replacing a circulatory boiler
with a combi and the cold feed/hot out connections are not available at the
location where the boiler has to go (to provide for the flue) and thus extra
pipework has to be run to connect to those. As this is not a house, there
is no loft to run that extra pipework in, so it's non trivial (but a long
way from impossible). Secondary cold feed will also have to be connected to
mains as there will no longer be a tank, this may make some things not work
properly

So far I have had three one man band fitters all come and look at the job,
appear interested and then not provide a quote (or any follow up). One
said, "It'll be expensive, 4-5 grand", to which I said nothing lest I appear
too keen and he added another grand onto the cost :-) But, 5 grand is not
out of the ballpark for what I am prepared to pay if it is done "properly"
(in the sense of ascetically fit into the room space, not competence) .

I have the estate handyman who knows the layout of the flats say that he
will do the work (with the final fitting to be done by a "friend" who is gas
safe registered) for 4 and a half. But it since transpires that the estate
managers require a full plan of the work to be done before they will
authorise it and he isn't prepared to provide this, wanting to work from his
back of a fag packet design (almost literally). I mistakenly assumed that
because he was a regular worker on the estate he knew of this rule, but
apparently not.

So I have to start again, and I thought, by the time that I have moved 3 out
of the six in situ rads, I not asking for very much short of a completely
new installation, and I wondered if that's the way to "sell" the job to
future "applicants".

It's clear that I need a multi-team company and not a one man band, but how
to find such a company? Look on checkatrade and all the one man bands
pretend to be big companies, finding the wheat from the chaff is impossible.

Perhaps I need to get BG in to give me the silly quote that I know is the
maximum I will have to pay ;-)

tim


..

On 26/10/2018 11:22, Graham. wrote:


(and before anyone gives me the S Yorkshire price, this is M25 area :-( )

tim



FX WAVES FRANTICALLY
So you're in Prestwich too? ;-)



Very good.

--
Adam

On 26/10/18 14:11, tim... wrote:

I'm aware that a like for like boiler replacement costs around 2 grand.

But I don't want like for like, because I'm replacing a circulatory
boiler with a combi and the cold feed/hot out connections are not
available at the location where the boiler has to go (to provide for the
flue) and thus extra pipework has to be run to connect to those.Â* As
this is not a house, there is no loft to run that extra pipework in, so
it's non trivial (but a long way from impossible).Â* Secondary cold feed
will also have to be connected to mains as there will no longer be a
tank, this may make some things not work properly

So far I have had three one man band fitters all come and look at the
job, appear interested and then not provide a quote (or any follow up).
One said, "It'll be expensive, 4-5 grand", to which I said nothing lest
I appear too keen and he added another grand onto the cost :-)Â* But, 5
grand is not out of the ballpark for what I am prepared to pay if it is
done "properly" (in the sense of ascetically fit into the room space,
not competence) .

I have the estate handyman who knows the layout of the flats say that he
will do the work (with the final fitting to be done by a "friend" who is
gas safe registered) for 4 and a half.Â* But it since transpires that the
estate managers require a full plan of the work to be done before they
will authorise it and he isn't prepared to provide this, wanting to work
from his back of a fag packet design (almost literally).Â* I mistakenly
assumed that because he was a regular worker on the estate he knew of
this rule, but apparently not.

You have to tell them about internal plumbing???


So I have to start again, and I thought, by the time that I have moved 3
out of the six in situ rads, I not asking for very much short of a
completely new installation, and I wondered if that's the way to "sell"
the job to future "applicants".

It's clear that I need a multi-team company and not a one man band, but
how to find such a company?Â* Look on checkatrade and all the one man
bands pretend to be big companies, finding the wheat from the chaff is
impossible.

Perhaps I need to get BG in to give me the silly quote that I know is
the maximum I will have to pay ;-)

For the pipe routes, if you did the job, how would you get the pipes to
the boiler?

You should be able to draft the main part of the plan yourself and also
use that to get quotes.

It doesn't much matter how many bends you go through (or ups and downs)
with mains pressure water pipes - though taking 22mm to/from the boiler
will help your flow rate.

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 26/10/18 14:11, tim... wrote:

I'm aware that a like for like boiler replacement costs around 2 grand.

But I don't want like for like, because I'm replacing a circulatory
boiler with a combi and the cold feed/hot out connections are not
available at the location where the boiler has to go (to provide for the
flue) and thus extra pipework has to be run to connect to those. As this
is not a house, there is no loft to run that extra pipework in, so it's
non trivial (but a long way from impossible). Secondary cold feed will
also have to be connected to mains as there will no longer be a tank,
this may make some things not work properly

So far I have had three one man band fitters all come and look at the
job, appear interested and then not provide a quote (or any follow up).
One said, "It'll be expensive, 4-5 grand", to which I said nothing lest I
appear too keen and he added another grand onto the cost :-) But, 5
grand is not out of the ballpark for what I am prepared to pay if it is
done "properly" (in the sense of ascetically fit into the room space, not
competence) .

I have the estate handyman who knows the layout of the flats say that he
will do the work (with the final fitting to be done by a "friend" who is
gas safe registered) for 4 and a half. But it since transpires that the
estate managers require a full plan of the work to be done before they
will authorise it and he isn't prepared to provide this, wanting to work
from his back of a fag packet design (almost literally). I mistakenly
assumed that because he was a regular worker on the estate he knew of
this rule, but apparently not.

You have to tell them about internal plumbing???

is that a "surprise" comment

yep I do, and it has to be done on the contractors headed notepaper. Who
has headed note paper anymore?

So I have to start again, and I thought, by the time that I have moved 3
out of the six in situ rads, I not asking for very much short of a
completely new installation, and I wondered if that's the way to "sell"
the job to future "applicants".

It's clear that I need a multi-team company and not a one man band, but
how to find such a company? Look on checkatrade and all the one man
bands pretend to be big companies, finding the wheat from the chaff is
impossible.

Perhaps I need to get BG in to give me the silly quote that I know is the
maximum I will have to pay ;-)

For the pipe routes, if you did the job, how would you get the pipes to
the boiler?

along the ceiling, boxed in nicely, after completion

under the floor would be better, but I don't have the tools to do that

You should be able to draft the main part of the plan yourself and also
use that to get quotes.

but it wont keep the estate managers happy

tim

On 26/10/18 22:24, tim... wrote:


is that a "surprise" comment

yep I do, and it has to be done on the contractors headed notepaper.
Who has headed note paper anymore?

Where on earth do you live? This is commercial level work. I have never
come across anyone in a domestic setting wanting this.



For the pipe routes, if you did the job, how would you get the pipes
to the boiler?

along the ceiling, boxed in nicely, after completion

under the floor would be better, but I don't have the tools to do that

If that route is better, ask the plumbers if they can do it.

You can also get clip on pipe covers which forms a type of boxing in but
with less effort.

However, don't underestimate the neatness of pipes run nicely and
painted in the same colour as the walls.


You should be able to draft the main part of the plan yourself and
also use that to get quotes.

but it wont keep the estate managers happy


I think at this point, I'd be having words with them - and they wouldn't
be happy words.

What happens if you ignore them? Is this a lease condition?

On Friday, 26 October 2018 22:25:32 UTC+1, tim... wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 26/10/18 14:11, tim... wrote:

I'm aware that a like for like boiler replacement costs around 2 grand..

But I don't want like for like, because I'm replacing a circulatory
boiler with a combi and the cold feed/hot out connections are not
available at the location where the boiler has to go (to provide for the
flue) and thus extra pipework has to be run to connect to those. As this
is not a house, there is no loft to run that extra pipework in, so it's
non trivial (but a long way from impossible). Secondary cold feed will
also have to be connected to mains as there will no longer be a tank,
this may make some things not work properly

So far I have had three one man band fitters all come and look at the
job, appear interested and then not provide a quote (or any follow up)..
One said, "It'll be expensive, 4-5 grand", to which I said nothing lest I
appear too keen and he added another grand onto the cost :-) But, 5
grand is not out of the ballpark for what I am prepared to pay if it is
done "properly" (in the sense of ascetically fit into the room space, not
competence) .

I have the estate handyman who knows the layout of the flats say that he
will do the work (with the final fitting to be done by a "friend" who is
gas safe registered) for 4 and a half. But it since transpires that the
estate managers require a full plan of the work to be done before they
will authorise it and he isn't prepared to provide this, wanting to work
from his back of a fag packet design (almost literally). I mistakenly
assumed that because he was a regular worker on the estate he knew of
this rule, but apparently not.

You have to tell them about internal plumbing???

is that a "surprise" comment

yep I do, and it has to be done on the contractors headed notepaper. Who
has headed note paper anymore?

So I have to start again, and I thought, by the time that I have moved 3
out of the six in situ rads, I not asking for very much short of a
completely new installation, and I wondered if that's the way to "sell"
the job to future "applicants".

It's clear that I need a multi-team company and not a one man band, but
how to find such a company? Look on checkatrade and all the one man
bands pretend to be big companies, finding the wheat from the chaff is
impossible.

Perhaps I need to get BG in to give me the silly quote that I know is the
maximum I will have to pay ;-)

For the pipe routes, if you did the job, how would you get the pipes to
the boiler?

along the ceiling, boxed in nicely, after completion

under the floor would be better, but I don't have the tools to do that

You should be able to draft the main part of the plan yourself and also
use that to get quotes.

but it wont keep the estate managers happy

tim

why don't you draw up the plans/specs and have your man sign it. Headed notepaper is trivial to print, though I'm aware some won't accept laser printed headers. In which case a short print run costs very little.

Or if you know what you're doing, just hire a hand for a week. One of Adam's ex-apprentices maybe

If he's the guy that doesn't have PLI, showing them the PLI docs could be listed as first part of the work, which is a not too obvious way of saying if they hire him then he'll get the policy. Hot works up the cost, so compression might be the way forward there.


NT

On 26/10/2018 22:24, tim... wrote:

Who has headed note paper anymore?

Anyone with a color laser printer.



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The lifetime of any political organisation is about three years before
its been subverted by the people it tried to warn you about.

Anon.

On 26/10/2018 13:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 26/10/2018 13:36, tim... wrote:


"Muddymike" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 26/10/2018 11:22, Graham. wrote:


(and before anyone gives me the S Yorkshire price, this is M25 area
:-( )

tim



FX WAVES FRANTICALLY
So you're in Prestwich too? ;-)

STWNFI has just had a quote for a new Rayburn to also replace our oil
boiler. £15,000 plus brick work to restore the chimney and widen the
opening.

that's a bit more than I was expecting :-(

and I haven't a clue who STWNFI is

she that will not ????

**** indoors.

LOL, considering Mike's appearance.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 26/10/2018 22:24, tim... wrote:

Who has headed note paper anymore?

Anyone with a color laser printer.

well yes,

but everyone knows that, so if they really want headed notepaper they make
sure that it has the features of professionally produced header paper

tim

wrote in message
...
On Friday, 26 October 2018 22:25:32 UTC+1, tim... wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 26/10/18 14:11, tim... wrote:



For the pipe routes, if you did the job, how would you get the pipes to
the boiler?

along the ceiling, boxed in nicely, after completion

under the floor would be better, but I don't have the tools to do that

You should be able to draft the main part of the plan yourself and also
use that to get quotes.

but it wont keep the estate managers happy

tim

why don't you draw up the plans/specs and have your man sign it. Headed
notepaper is trivial to print, though I'm aware some won't accept laser
printed headers. In which case a short print run costs very little.

Or if you know what you're doing, just hire a hand for a week. One of
Adam's ex-apprentices maybe

they need to be "gas safe" registered.

what gas safe person is going to work as my (anybody's) second hand?


If he's the guy that doesn't have PLI, showing them the PLI docs could be
listed as first part of the work,

if you are referring back to my previous thread, no that's a different
person and has been resolved.

Hot works up the cost, so compression might be the way forward there.

Um, that's a point that I hadn't considered. This estate handyman is known
to have the required PL for the type of work that he has previously been
asked to do, but that doesn't mean that he has it for this type of work.
That could have been a deal breaker further down the line if this hadn't
broken it.

I'm glad to be out of that arrangement.

My only problem is finding a route to getting someone else to quote me for
the work.

tim

On Saturday, 27 October 2018 09:04:54 UTC+1, tim... wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in message
...
On Friday, 26 October 2018 22:25:32 UTC+1, tim... wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 26/10/18 14:11, tim... wrote:



For the pipe routes, if you did the job, how would you get the pipes to
the boiler?

along the ceiling, boxed in nicely, after completion

under the floor would be better, but I don't have the tools to do that

You should be able to draft the main part of the plan yourself and also
use that to get quotes.

but it wont keep the estate managers happy

tim

why don't you draw up the plans/specs and have your man sign it. Headed
notepaper is trivial to print, though I'm aware some won't accept laser
printed headers. In which case a short print run costs very little.

Or if you know what you're doing, just hire a hand for a week. One of
Adam's ex-apprentices maybe

they need to be "gas safe" registered.

what gas safe person is going to work as my (anybody's) second hand?


If he's the guy that doesn't have PLI, showing them the PLI docs could be
listed as first part of the work,

if you are referring back to my previous thread, no that's a different
person and has been resolved.

Hot works up the cost, so compression might be the way forward there.

Um, that's a point that I hadn't considered. This estate handyman is known
to have the required PL for the type of work that he has previously been
asked to do, but that doesn't mean that he has it for this type of work.
That could have been a deal breaker further down the line if this hadn't
broken it.

I'm glad to be out of that arrangement.

My only problem is finding a route to getting someone else to quote me for
the work.

tim

and that's one of the reasons we diy. Plus the quotes tend to be silly. Last job I was quoted £200 for cost me under £20 & about 2 hours iirc.


NT

On 26/10/2018 11:00, tim... wrote:
as I am having difficulty getting someone to do a swap for my boiler, I
was wonder what current prices are for a completely new system as a
replacement

combi boiler with instant hot water.

2 bed flat, so perhaps 6 rads, simple linear layout, wooden boarded
floor with pipe work to be installed between joists.

any ideas anyone?

(and before anyone gives me the S Yorkshire price, this is M25 area :-( )

tim



Just had 3 quotes for a complete system replacement (New Boiler in
different position, 12 rads and pressurised tank.) Old system is single
pipe under the concrete floor downstairs so quote is for new pipework
under first floor with drops to d/s rads)

Quotes were 7.8k, 12k and 13.3k

the 13.3k one (not BG incidentally) gave a full breakdown
Boiler install 2.7K
Pressurised Cylinder (210lt) 1.8k
Install rads 6k



Central Southern England.

--
Chris B (News)

On Sunday, 28 October 2018 11:56:57 UTC, Chris B wrote:
On 26/10/2018 11:00, tim... wrote:

as I am having difficulty getting someone to do a swap for my boiler, I
was wonder what current prices are for a completely new system as a
replacement

combi boiler with instant hot water.

2 bed flat, so perhaps 6 rads, simple linear layout, wooden boarded
floor with pipe work to be installed between joists.

any ideas anyone?

(and before anyone gives me the S Yorkshire price, this is M25 area :-( )

tim



Just had 3 quotes for a complete system replacement (New Boiler in
different position, 12 rads and pressurised tank.) Old system is single
pipe under the concrete floor downstairs so quote is for new pipework
under first floor with drops to d/s rads)

Quotes were 7.8k, 12k and 13.3k

the 13.3k one (not BG incidentally) gave a full breakdown
Boiler install 2.7K
Pressurised Cylinder (210lt) 1.8k
Install rads 6k



Central Southern England.

kinell.

On 28/10/2018 18:40, wrote:
On Sunday, 28 October 2018 11:56:57 UTC, Chris B wrote:
On 26/10/2018 11:00, tim... wrote:

as I am having difficulty getting someone to do a swap for my boiler, I
was wonder what current prices are for a completely new system as a
replacement

combi boiler with instant hot water.

2 bed flat, so perhaps 6 rads, simple linear layout, wooden boarded
floor with pipe work to be installed between joists.

any ideas anyone?

(and before anyone gives me the S Yorkshire price, this is M25 area :-( )

tim



Just had 3 quotes for a complete system replacement (New Boiler in
different position, 12 rads and pressurised tank.) Old system is single
pipe under the concrete floor downstairs so quote is for new pipework
under first floor with drops to d/s rads)

Quotes were 7.8k, 12k and 13.3k

the 13.3k one (not BG incidentally) gave a full breakdown

Boiler install 2.7K

Plausible if its a decent boiler...

Pressurised Cylinder (210lt) 1.8k

and that...

Install rads 6k

but that is taking the ****!

Central Southern England.

kinell.

Indeed!


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In article ,
Chris B wrote:
Just had 3 quotes for a complete system replacement (New Boiler in
different position, 12 rads and pressurised tank.) Old system is single
pipe under the concrete floor downstairs so quote is for new pipework
under first floor with drops to d/s rads)

Quotes were 7.8k, 12k and 13.3k

the 13.3k one (not BG incidentally) gave a full breakdown
Boiler install 2.7K
Pressurised Cylinder (210lt) 1.8k
Install rads 6k

Be interesting to have that further broken down into parts and labour.
Someone is making a very good living at those prices.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
Boiler install 2.7K

Plausible if its a decent boiler...

Still can't see it. I changed mine for a Viessmann which I got after
shopping around for about a grand. Needed a lot of pipework alteration,
but managed it all in a couple of days. It was a few years ago, but they
ain't gone up by that much.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 29/10/2018 00:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Chris B wrote:
Just had 3 quotes for a complete system replacement (New Boiler in
different position, 12 rads and pressurised tank.) Old system is single
pipe under the concrete floor downstairs so quote is for new pipework
under first floor with drops to d/s rads)

Quotes were 7.8k, 12k and 13.3k

the 13.3k one (not BG incidentally) gave a full breakdown
Boiler install 2.7K
Pressurised Cylinder (210lt) 1.8k
Install rads 6k

Be interesting to have that further broken down into parts and labour.
Someone is making a very good living at those prices.

The quote is for a WB Greenstar 30i System Boiler but it doesn't go as
far as parts/labour cost breakdown.

(Both of the cheaper quotes are for the same boiler but just a "whole
job" costing)

--
Chris B (News)

In article ,
Chris B wrote:
Be interesting to have that further broken down into parts and labour.
Someone is making a very good living at those prices.

The quote is for a WB Greenstar 30i System Boiler but it doesn't go as
far as parts/labour cost breakdown.

New price about 850 on Ebay. Delivered.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 29/10/2018 08:43, Chris B wrote:
On 29/10/2018 00:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* Chris B wrote:
Just had 3 quotes for a complete system replacement (New Boiler in
different position, 12 rads and pressurised tank.) Old system is single
pipe under the concrete floor downstairs so quote is for new pipework
under first floor with drops to d/s rads)

Quotes were 7.8k, 12k and 13.3k

the 13.3kÂ* one (not BG incidentally) gave a full breakdown
Boiler install 2.7K
Pressurised Cylinder (210lt) 1.8k
Install rads 6k

Be interesting to have that further broken down into parts and labour.
Someone is making a very good living at those prices.

The quote is for a WB Greenstar 30i System Boiler but it doesn't go as
far as parts/labour cost breakdown.

The boiler on its own is probably around £1300 with a flue... (possibly
more if its a complicated flue run).

The cylinder anything from £700 to £1500 depending on make and model
etc. Add on another £500 say for pipe, rads[1], filter, etc and you
could be at a parts cost of £3K+

[1] assuming bog standard and not "designer" rads.

Based on my own experience of doing a system boiler install, unvented
cylinder, and conversion from old vented system, with a few rad changes,
I would guess you could be looking at up to 15 man days of work.

(Both of the cheaper quotes are for the same boiler but just a "whole
job" costing)



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