543dsa wrote:

Australia, strata title, which has some similarities to the US condominium
system but we don’t have home owners associations here. How things
must be done it spelt out in the strata title legislation.

Which from reading the bumph

https://www.strata.community/understandingstrata/what-is-strata

the individual lots should be precisely marked on the plans, so the
ownership of the balcony should be clear, and there is a legal entity
behind the common parts, so doesn't the legal entity just sue the
lock-changing dickhead?

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
543dsa wrote:

Australia, strata title, which has some similarities to the US
condominium
system but we don’t have home owners associations here. How things
must be done it spelt out in the strata title legislation.

Which from reading the bumph

https://www.strata.community/understandingstrata/what-is-strata

the individual lots should be precisely marked on the plans, so the
ownership of the balcony should be clear,

Yes.

and there is a legal entity
behind the common parts, so doesn't the legal entity just sue the
lock-changing dickhead?

Yes, but as I said elsewhere, the only viable way to do that
with such a small cost is to use the small claims court and
the problem is that its decision is not enforceable using
a bailiff and it is trivial to ignore debt collectors and they
wouldn’t be interested in such a small debt anyway.

Which is why I was asking if anyone could think of any
mechanical way to stop the miscreant from keeping on
getting a locksmith to keep changing the lock and we
have now confirmed that no one can come up with any
legal way of actually preventing him from doing that.

Yes, it is certainly possible to get a court injunction
to stop him getting the lock changed by a locksmith,
but that wouldn’t be cheap and he is likely to just ignore
that and is very unlikely to be jailed if he ignores that
with a civil matter.

"543dsa" wrote in message
...


"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
543dsa wrote:

Australia, strata title, which has some similarities to the US
condominium
system but we don’t have home owners associations here. How things
must be done it spelt out in the strata title legislation.

Which from reading the bumph

https://www.strata.community/understandingstrata/what-is-strata

the individual lots should be precisely marked on the plans, so the
ownership of the balcony should be clear,

Yes.

and there is a legal entity
behind the common parts, so doesn't the legal entity just sue the
lock-changing dickhead?

Yes, but as I said elsewhere, the only viable way to do that
with such a small cost is to use the small claims court and
the problem is that its decision is not enforceable using
a bailiff and it is trivial to ignore debt collectors and they
wouldn’t be interested in such a small debt anyway.

Which is why I was asking if anyone could think of any
mechanical way to stop the miscreant from keeping on
getting a locksmith to keep changing the lock and we
have now confirmed that no one can come up with any
legal way of actually preventing him from doing that.

Yes, it is certainly possible to get a court injunction
to stop him getting the lock changed by a locksmith,
but that wouldn’t be cheap and he is likely to just ignore
that and is very unlikely to be jailed if he ignores that
with a civil matter.

And while it would certainly be feasible to setup a
surveillance camera with movement detection so
that any time a locksmith shows up change the lock
someone can show up in person or remotely tell the
locksmith that he isnt allowed to change the lock and
it is unlikely that any locksmith would change it anyway,
there isnt anyone there full time who is prepared to do
that and it obviously isnt feasible to pay some
commercial operation to do that.

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 17:37:06 +1000, 543dsa, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote:

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
543dsa wrote:

Australia, strata title, which has some similarities to the US
condominium
system but we don¢t have home owners associations here. How things
must be done it spelt out in the strata title legislation.

Which from reading the bumph

https://www.strata.community/understandingstrata/what-is-strata

the individual lots should be precisely marked on the plans, so the
ownership of the balcony should be clear,

Yes.

and there is a legal entity
behind the common parts, so doesn't the legal entity just sue the
lock-changing dickhead?

Yes, but as I said elsewhere,

As I said already and others hinted several times in this thread: you are
simply TROLLING, you senile Ozzie pest!

--
Bill Wright addressing senile Ozzie cretin Rot Speed:
"Well you make up a lot of stuff and it's total ******** most of it."
MID:

543dsa wrote:

the only viable way to do that with such a small cost is to use the
small claims court and the problem is that its decision is not
enforceable using a bailiff

Can't you escalate it to a higher court for enforcement?

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...

543dsa wrote:

the only viable way to do that with such a small cost is to use the
small claims court and the problem is that its decision is not
enforceable using a bailiff

Can't you escalate it to a higher court for enforcement?

No. It has to be a whole new action at a stupid cost.

And we have never had debtors prisons.

543dsa wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Can't you escalate it to a higher court for enforcement?

No. It has to be a whole new action at a stupid cost.

Which presumably you can heap onto the dickhead?

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 17:55:23 +1000, 543dsa, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote:


And while it would certainly be feasible to setup a
surveillance camera with movement detection so
that any time a locksmith shows up change the lock
someone can show up in person or remotely tell the
locksmith that he isnt allowed to change the lock and
it is unlikely that any locksmith would change it anyway,
there isnt anyone there full time

But YOU have all the time, you trolling piece of senile ****!

--
Bill Wright addressing senile Ozzie cretin Rot Speed:
"Well you make up a lot of stuff and it's total ******** most of it."
MID:

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
543dsa wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:
Can't you escalate it to a higher court for enforcement?

No. It has to be a whole new action at a stupid cost.

Which presumably you can heap onto the dickhead?

Only the most outrageous frivolous civil actions
ever see costs awarded against the losing party.

And like I said, we have never had debtors prisons.

543dsa wrote:

we have never had debtors prisons

We don't have them now, yet somehow we manage to get debts settled over
here.

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 10:55:29 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

543dsa wrote:

we have never had debtors prisons

We don't have them now, yet somehow we manage to get debts settled over
here.

Can't you see, unlike others here, that the lonely senile 85-year-old loser
is only TROLLING? No advanced civilized country doesn't provide for cases
like that! tsk

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
543dsa wrote:

we have never had debtors prisons

We don't have them now, yet somehow we manage to get debts settled over
here.

Quite a bit of the time, you don’t.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/mone...2e9c74b8fc6cd0

On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 08:37:19 UTC+1, 543dsa wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
543dsa wrote:

Australia, strata title, which has some similarities to the US
condominium
system but we dont have home owners associations here. How things
must be done it spelt out in the strata title legislation.

Which from reading the bumph

https://www.strata.community/understandingstrata/what-is-strata

the individual lots should be precisely marked on the plans, so the
ownership of the balcony should be clear,

Yes.

and there is a legal entity
behind the common parts, so doesn't the legal entity just sue the
lock-changing dickhead?

Yes, but as I said elsewhere, the only viable way to do that
with such a small cost is to use the small claims court and
the problem is that its decision is not enforceable using
a bailiff and it is trivial to ignore debt collectors and they
wouldnt be interested in such a small debt anyway.

Which is why I was asking if anyone could think of any
mechanical way to stop the miscreant from keeping on
getting a locksmith to keep changing the lock and we
have now confirmed that no one can come up with any
legal way of actually preventing him from doing that.

Yes, it is certainly possible to get a court injunction
to stop him getting the lock changed by a locksmith,
but that wouldnt be cheap and he is likely to just ignore
that and is very unlikely to be jailed if he ignores that
with a civil matter.

welding/brazing the lock in would work upto a point. It would cost the miscreant rather more to change it repeatedly. A completely buried lock that's is operated by something other than a key may also work, eg using a solenoid.

Is public shaming an option?


NT

On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 09:03:40 UTC+1, 543dsa wrote:
"543dsa" wrote in message
...


"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
543dsa wrote:

Australia, strata title, which has some similarities to the US
condominium
system but we dont have home owners associations here. How things
must be done it spelt out in the strata title legislation.

Which from reading the bumph

https://www.strata.community/understandingstrata/what-is-strata

the individual lots should be precisely marked on the plans, so the
ownership of the balcony should be clear,

Yes.

and there is a legal entity
behind the common parts, so doesn't the legal entity just sue the
lock-changing dickhead?

Yes, but as I said elsewhere, the only viable way to do that
with such a small cost is to use the small claims court and
the problem is that its decision is not enforceable using
a bailiff and it is trivial to ignore debt collectors and they
wouldnt be interested in such a small debt anyway.

Which is why I was asking if anyone could think of any
mechanical way to stop the miscreant from keeping on
getting a locksmith to keep changing the lock and we
have now confirmed that no one can come up with any
legal way of actually preventing him from doing that.

Yes, it is certainly possible to get a court injunction
to stop him getting the lock changed by a locksmith,
but that wouldnt be cheap and he is likely to just ignore
that and is very unlikely to be jailed if he ignores that
with a civil matter.

And while it would certainly be feasible to setup a
surveillance camera with movement detection so
that any time a locksmith shows up change the lock
someone can show up in person or remotely tell the
locksmith that he isnt allowed to change the lock and
it is unlikely that any locksmith would change it anyway,
there isnt anyone there full time who is prepared to do
that and it obviously isnt feasible to pay some
commercial operation to do that.

Guess: send all known locksmiths a cautionary letter saying they will be done for trespass / damage / loss of amenity / etc if any work is not authorised by whoever.


NT

wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 08:37:19 UTC+1, 543dsa wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
543dsa wrote:

Australia, strata title, which has some similarities to the US
condominium
system but we dont have home owners associations here. How things
must be done it spelt out in the strata title legislation.

Which from reading the bumph

https://www.strata.community/understandingstrata/what-is-strata

the individual lots should be precisely marked on the plans, so the
ownership of the balcony should be clear,

Yes.

and there is a legal entity
behind the common parts, so doesn't the legal entity just sue the
lock-changing dickhead?

Yes, but as I said elsewhere, the only viable way to do that
with such a small cost is to use the small claims court and
the problem is that its decision is not enforceable using
a bailiff and it is trivial to ignore debt collectors and they
wouldnt be interested in such a small debt anyway.

Which is why I was asking if anyone could think of any
mechanical way to stop the miscreant from keeping on
getting a locksmith to keep changing the lock and we
have now confirmed that no one can come up with any
legal way of actually preventing him from doing that.

Yes, it is certainly possible to get a court injunction
to stop him getting the lock changed by a locksmith,
but that wouldnt be cheap and he is likely to just ignore
that and is very unlikely to be jailed if he ignores that
with a civil matter.

welding/brazing the lock in would work upto a point.

No it would not. His locksmith just changes the barrel, not the entire lock.

It would cost the miscreant rather more to change it repeatedly.
A completely buried lock that's is operated by something other
than a key may also work, eg using a solenoid.

A locksmith can still change what controls that.

In theory one of those modern electronic locks that
allows any mobile phone that has been authorised
to unlock it would work, but that isnt really practical
with 60 flats and something like 120 mobile phones
that keep changing quite frequently as people
upgrade their phones. And even with one of those,
the locksmith can still change the whole thing.

Is public shaming an option?

No, everyone knows who it is, he claims its his balcony.

wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 09:03:40 UTC+1, 543dsa wrote:
"543dsa" wrote in message
...


"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
543dsa wrote:

Australia, strata title, which has some similarities to the US
condominium
system but we dont have home owners associations here. How things
must be done it spelt out in the strata title legislation.

Which from reading the bumph

https://www.strata.community/understandingstrata/what-is-strata

the individual lots should be precisely marked on the plans, so the
ownership of the balcony should be clear,

Yes.

and there is a legal entity
behind the common parts, so doesn't the legal entity just sue the
lock-changing dickhead?

Yes, but as I said elsewhere, the only viable way to do that
with such a small cost is to use the small claims court and
the problem is that its decision is not enforceable using
a bailiff and it is trivial to ignore debt collectors and they
wouldnt be interested in such a small debt anyway.

Which is why I was asking if anyone could think of any
mechanical way to stop the miscreant from keeping on
getting a locksmith to keep changing the lock and we
have now confirmed that no one can come up with any
legal way of actually preventing him from doing that.

Yes, it is certainly possible to get a court injunction
to stop him getting the lock changed by a locksmith,
but that wouldnt be cheap and he is likely to just ignore
that and is very unlikely to be jailed if he ignores that
with a civil matter.

And while it would certainly be feasible to setup a
surveillance camera with movement detection so
that any time a locksmith shows up change the lock
someone can show up in person or remotely tell the
locksmith that he isnt allowed to change the lock and
it is unlikely that any locksmith would change it anyway,
there isnt anyone there full time who is prepared to do
that and it obviously isnt feasible to pay some
commercial operation to do that.

Guess: send all known locksmiths a cautionary letter saying
they will be done for trespass / damage / loss of amenity /
etc if any work is not authorised by whoever.

Problem is that, as I said in my original, its a very large
state capital, Sydney, so there are hundreds of locksmiths
and so that just isnt practical. And even if it was feasible,
he would presumably just use youtube and work out
how to change the barrel himself.

Not feasible to put some notice on the lock either,
even if it was engraved on the door, he'd just have
to cover it with a glued on metal plate etc.

After posting the previous, I did consider actually
monitoring the surveillance camera myself even
tho I am hundreds of miles away, and telling the
locksmith remotely that he isnt allowed to change
the lock, using my mobile phone, but have now
realised that even that wont work if he chooses
to use youtube to work out how to change the
barrel himself without a locksmith.

And it isnt even feasible to replace the entire
lock with a much more secure one that can not
have the barrel changed without a key because
he and a number of others actually worked for
the builder who built the entire place and some
of them chose to buy flats in that building so
even if he doesnt have a key himself after the
strata management changes it back again, he
would be able to borrow a key from one of
his mates who also owns a flat in that building.

On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 14:24:39 UTC+1, 543dsa wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 08:37:19 UTC+1, 543dsa wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
543dsa wrote:

Australia, strata title, which has some similarities to the US
condominium
system but we dont have home owners associations here. How things
must be done it spelt out in the strata title legislation.

Which from reading the bumph

https://www.strata.community/understandingstrata/what-is-strata

the individual lots should be precisely marked on the plans, so the
ownership of the balcony should be clear,

Yes.

and there is a legal entity
behind the common parts, so doesn't the legal entity just sue the
lock-changing dickhead?

Yes, but as I said elsewhere, the only viable way to do that
with such a small cost is to use the small claims court and
the problem is that its decision is not enforceable using
a bailiff and it is trivial to ignore debt collectors and they
wouldnt be interested in such a small debt anyway.

Which is why I was asking if anyone could think of any
mechanical way to stop the miscreant from keeping on
getting a locksmith to keep changing the lock and we
have now confirmed that no one can come up with any
legal way of actually preventing him from doing that.

Yes, it is certainly possible to get a court injunction
to stop him getting the lock changed by a locksmith,
but that wouldnt be cheap and he is likely to just ignore
that and is very unlikely to be jailed if he ignores that
with a civil matter.

welding/brazing the lock in would work upto a point.

No it would not. His locksmith just changes the barrel, not the entire lock.

and it's gonna take a lot longer if that's brazed in. Sheesh

It would cost the miscreant rather more to change it repeatedly.
A completely buried lock that's is operated by something other
than a key may also work, eg using a solenoid.

A locksmith can still change what controls that.

either the locksmith will have no physical access to it at all, or will only have access to the keypad. Either way must not enable changing anything.


In theory one of those modern electronic locks that
allows any mobile phone that has been authorised
to unlock it would work, but that isnt really practical
with 60 flats and something like 120 mobile phones
that keep changing quite frequently as people
upgrade their phones. And even with one of those,
the locksmith can still change the whole thing.

how is the locksmith going to change hardware he has no physical access to? Only by cutting the access gate & welding it up afterawrds. It's possible but pricey, especially when the pseudo-owner is immediately denied access again.


Is public shaming an option?

No, everyone knows who it is, he claims its his balcony.

that does not prevent public shaming being an option. The law might, I know nothing of ozzie law.

On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 14:35:25 UTC+1, 543dsa wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in message
...

Guess: send all known locksmiths a cautionary letter saying
they will be done for trespass / damage / loss of amenity /
etc if any work is not authorised by whoever.

Problem is that, as I said in my original, its a very large
state capital, Sydney, so there are hundreds of locksmiths
and so that just isnt practical. And even if it was feasible,
he would presumably just use youtube and work out
how to change the barrel himself.

Not feasible to put some notice on the lock either,
even if it was engraved on the door, he'd just have
to cover it with a glued on metal plate etc.

ok :/

After posting the previous, I did consider actually
monitoring the surveillance camera myself even
tho I am hundreds of miles away, and telling the
locksmith remotely that he isnt allowed to change
the lock, using my mobile phone, but have now
realised that even that wont work if he chooses
to use youtube to work out how to change the
barrel himself without a locksmith.

he may not. Most people never learn that.

And it isnt even feasible to replace the entire
lock with a much more secure one that can not
have the barrel changed without a key because
he and a number of others actually worked for
the builder who built the entire place and some
of them chose to buy flats in that building so
even if he doesnt have a key himself after the
strata management changes it back again, he
would be able to borrow a key from one of
his mates who also owns a flat in that building.

Some more options:
1. Vote to deny everyone access to the balcony until it's resolved
2. Buried electrically operated tongue with 60 codes so you know who gave him the code. Anyone that does then does not get a new code.

Whatever you do will presumably need voting in.


NT

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 23:35:07 +1000, 543dsa, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote:


Guess: send all known locksmiths a cautionary letter saying
they will be done for trespass / damage / loss of amenity /
etc if any work is not authorised by whoever.

Problem is that, as I said in my original,

The only problem here is that you are an attention-starved troll, of the
senile sort!

--
Sqwertz to Rot Speed:
"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 23:24:25 +1000, 543dsa, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote:

Is public shaming an option?

No, everyone knows who it is, he claims its his balcony.

So what? If your story is true at all, he would simply be a self-opinionated
asshole like you, and you would finally experience what it means to be
confronted with another self-opinionated senile pest like you!

--
FredXX to Rot Speed:
"You are still an idiot and an embarrassment to your country. No wonder
we shippe the likes of you out of the British Isles. Perhaps stupidity
and criminality is inherited after all?"
Message-ID:

wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 14:24:39 UTC+1, 543dsa wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 08:37:19 UTC+1, 543dsa wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
543dsa wrote:

Australia, strata title, which has some similarities to the US
condominium
system but we dont have home owners associations here. How things
must be done it spelt out in the strata title legislation.

Which from reading the bumph

https://www.strata.community/understandingstrata/what-is-strata

the individual lots should be precisely marked on the plans, so the
ownership of the balcony should be clear,

Yes.

and there is a legal entity
behind the common parts, so doesn't the legal entity just sue the
lock-changing dickhead?

Yes, but as I said elsewhere, the only viable way to do that
with such a small cost is to use the small claims court and
the problem is that its decision is not enforceable using
a bailiff and it is trivial to ignore debt collectors and they
wouldnt be interested in such a small debt anyway.

Which is why I was asking if anyone could think of any
mechanical way to stop the miscreant from keeping on
getting a locksmith to keep changing the lock and we
have now confirmed that no one can come up with any
legal way of actually preventing him from doing that.

Yes, it is certainly possible to get a court injunction
to stop him getting the lock changed by a locksmith,
but that wouldnt be cheap and he is likely to just ignore
that and is very unlikely to be jailed if he ignores that
with a civil matter.

welding/brazing the lock in would work upto a point.

No it would not. His locksmith just changes the barrel, not the entire
lock.

and it's gonna take a lot longer if that's brazed in. Sheesh

It would cost the miscreant rather more to change it repeatedly.
A completely buried lock that's is operated by something other
than a key may also work, eg using a solenoid.

A locksmith can still change what controls that.

either the locksmith will have no physical access to it at all, or will
only have access to the keypad. Either way must not enable changing
anything.


In theory one of those modern electronic locks that
allows any mobile phone that has been authorised
to unlock it would work, but that isnt really practical
with 60 flats and something like 120 mobile phones
that keep changing quite frequently as people
upgrade their phones. And even with one of those,
the locksmith can still change the whole thing.

how is the locksmith going to change hardware he has no physical access
to? Only by cutting the access gate & welding it up afterawrds. It's
possible but pricey, especially when the pseudo-owner is immediately
denied access again.


Is public shaming an option?

No, everyone knows who it is, he claims its his balcony.

that does not prevent public shaming being an option. The law might, I
know nothing of ozzie law.

wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 14:24:39 UTC+1, 543dsa wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 08:37:19 UTC+1, 543dsa wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
543dsa wrote:

Australia, strata title, which has some similarities to the US
condominium
system but we dont have home owners associations here. How things
must be done it spelt out in the strata title legislation.

Which from reading the bumph

https://www.strata.community/understandingstrata/what-is-strata

the individual lots should be precisely marked on the plans, so the
ownership of the balcony should be clear,

Yes.

and there is a legal entity
behind the common parts, so doesn't the legal entity just sue the
lock-changing dickhead?

Yes, but as I said elsewhere, the only viable way to do that
with such a small cost is to use the small claims court and
the problem is that its decision is not enforceable using
a bailiff and it is trivial to ignore debt collectors and they
wouldnt be interested in such a small debt anyway.

Which is why I was asking if anyone could think of any
mechanical way to stop the miscreant from keeping on
getting a locksmith to keep changing the lock and we
have now confirmed that no one can come up with any
legal way of actually preventing him from doing that.

Yes, it is certainly possible to get a court injunction
to stop him getting the lock changed by a locksmith,
but that wouldnt be cheap and he is likely to just ignore
that and is very unlikely to be jailed if he ignores that
with a civil matter.

welding/brazing the lock in would work upto a point.

No it would not. His locksmith just changes the barrel, not the entire
lock.

and it's gonna take a lot longer if that's brazed in. Sheesh

It would cost the miscreant rather more to change it repeatedly.
A completely buried lock that's is operated by something other
than a key may also work, eg using a solenoid.

A locksmith can still change what controls that.

either the locksmith will have no physical access to it at all,

There has to be access to it in case it dies.

or will only have access to the keypad. Either
way must not enable changing anything.

Not possible given that it has to be possible if it dies.

In theory one of those modern electronic locks that
allows any mobile phone that has been authorised
to unlock it would work, but that isnt really practical
with 60 flats and something like 120 mobile phones
that keep changing quite frequently as people
upgrade their phones. And even with one of those,
the locksmith can still change the whole thing.

how is the locksmith going to change
hardware he has no physical access to?

There always has to be physical access in case it dies.

Only by cutting the access gate & welding it up afterawrds.
It's possible but pricey, especially when the pseudo-owner
is immediately denied access again.

Not possible to deny his mates access.

Is public shaming an option?

No, everyone knows who it is, he claims its his balcony.

that does not prevent public shaming being an option.

You can't shame someone when everyone knows
who is getting the locksmith to change the lock.

The law might, I know nothing of ozzie law.

Yes it does. And I doubt he cares anyway given that
he is so blatant about getting the lock changed.

He may be too stupid to work out how to change
the barrel himself using youtube, he is after all
just someone who works for builders, not exactly
what you might call rocket scientist material. So
it might be worth trying a surveillance camera
with two way audio so I can tell his locksmith
that he isnt allowed to change the lock. Not
clear how long he would be prepared to wait
before trying again tho. Not that keen on
having to be sure I can tell the locksmith for
years and have to check whets going on
every time one of the flat owners/tenants
uses that balcony for a BBQ for years.

wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 14:35:25 UTC+1, 543dsa wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in message
...

Guess: send all known locksmiths a cautionary letter saying
they will be done for trespass / damage / loss of amenity /
etc if any work is not authorised by whoever.

Problem is that, as I said in my original, its a very large
state capital, Sydney, so there are hundreds of locksmiths
and so that just isnt practical. And even if it was feasible,
he would presumably just use youtube and work out
how to change the barrel himself.

Not feasible to put some notice on the lock either,
even if it was engraved on the door, he'd just have
to cover it with a glued on metal plate etc.

ok :/

After posting the previous, I did consider actually
monitoring the surveillance camera myself even
tho I am hundreds of miles away, and telling the
locksmith remotely that he isnt allowed to change
the lock, using my mobile phone, but have now
realised that even that wont work if he chooses
to use youtube to work out how to change the
barrel himself without a locksmith.

he may not. Most people never learn that.

Yeah, and as I said in the other, he may well be
too stupid to do that.

And it isnt even feasible to replace the entire
lock with a much more secure one that can not
have the barrel changed without a key because
he and a number of others actually worked for
the builder who built the entire place and some
of them chose to buy flats in that building so
even if he doesnt have a key himself after the
strata management changes it back again, he
would be able to borrow a key from one of
his mates who also owns a flat in that building.

Some more options:
1. Vote to deny everyone access to the balcony until it's resolved

Trouble is deciding when it has been resolved. Likely as soon
as everyone can use it again, he will just get the lock changed
again. He appears to mostly want to stop others from using it.

2. Buried electrically operated tongue with 60
codes so you know who gave him the code.
Anyone that does then does not get a new code.

Thats not legal.

Whatever you do will presumably need voting in.

Maybe not, they are a pretty informal operation
and arent currently doing what the law requires
on having a proper secretary of the committee etc,
presumably because no one wants to volunteer.

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 04:58:12 +1000, 543dsa, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote:

FLUSH all the usual senile ****

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 04:44:13 +1000, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:

wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 14:24:39 UTC+1, 543dsa wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 08:37:19 UTC+1, 543dsa wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
543dsa wrote:

Australia, strata title, which has some similarities to the US
condominium
system but we don¢t have home owners associations here. How things
must be done it spelt out in the strata title legislation.

Which from reading the bumph

https://www.strata.community/understandingstrata/what-is-strata

the individual lots should be precisely marked on the plans, so the
ownership of the balcony should be clear,

Yes.

and there is a legal entity
behind the common parts, so doesn't the legal entity just sue the
lock-changing dickhead?

Yes, but as I said elsewhere, the only viable way to do that
with such a small cost is to use the small claims court and
the problem is that its decision is not enforceable using
a bailiff and it is trivial to ignore debt collectors and they
wouldn¢t be interested in such a small debt anyway.

Which is why I was asking if anyone could think of any
mechanical way to stop the miscreant from keeping on
getting a locksmith to keep changing the lock and we
have now confirmed that no one can come up with any
legal way of actually preventing him from doing that.

Yes, it is certainly possible to get a court injunction
to stop him getting the lock changed by a locksmith,
but that wouldn¢t be cheap and he is likely to just ignore
that and is very unlikely to be jailed if he ignores that
with a civil matter.

welding/brazing the lock in would work upto a point.

No it would not. His locksmith just changes the barrel, not the entire
lock.

and it's gonna take a lot longer if that's brazed in. Sheesh

It would cost the miscreant rather more to change it repeatedly.
A completely buried lock that's is operated by something other
than a key may also work, eg using a solenoid.

A locksmith can still change what controls that.

either the locksmith will have no physical access to it at all, or will
only have access to the keypad. Either way must not enable changing
anything.


In theory one of those modern electronic locks that
allows any mobile phone that has been authorised
to unlock it would work, but that isnt really practical
with 60 flats and something like 120 mobile phones
that keep changing quite frequently as people
upgrade their phones. And even with one of those,
the locksmith can still change the whole thing.

how is the locksmith going to change hardware he has no physical access
to? Only by cutting the access gate & welding it up afterawrds. It's
possible but pricey, especially when the pseudo-owner is immediately
denied access again.


Is public shaming an option?

No, everyone knows who it is, he claims its his balcony.

that does not prevent public shaming being an option. The law might, I
know nothing of ozzie law.

Whatsa matter, senile? Were you about to croak for a few seconds? BG

--
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"That confirms my opinion that you are a despicable little ****."
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 04:53:03 +1000, 543dsa, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote:

either the locksmith will have no physical access to it at all,

There has to be access to it in case it dies.

or will only have access to the keypad. Either
way must not enable changing anything.

Not possible given that it has to be possible if it dies.

In theory one of those modern electronic locks that
allows any mobile phone that has been authorised
to unlock it would work, but that isnt really practical
with 60 flats and something like 120 mobile phones
that keep changing quite frequently as people
upgrade their phones. And even with one of those,
the locksmith can still change the whole thing.

how is the locksmith going to change
hardware he has no physical access to?

There always has to be physical access in case it dies.

About time YOU died, senile cretin! It can happen to you any moment now, you
know!

--
pamela about Rot Speed:
"His off the cuff expertise demonstrates how little he knows..."
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On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 19:53:12 UTC+1, 543dsa wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 14:24:39 UTC+1, 543dsa wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 08:37:19 UTC+1, 543dsa wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
543dsa wrote:

Australia, strata title, which has some similarities to the US
condominium
system but we dont have home owners associations here. How things
must be done it spelt out in the strata title legislation.

Which from reading the bumph

https://www.strata.community/understandingstrata/what-is-strata

the individual lots should be precisely marked on the plans, so the
ownership of the balcony should be clear,

Yes.

and there is a legal entity
behind the common parts, so doesn't the legal entity just sue the
lock-changing dickhead?

Yes, but as I said elsewhere, the only viable way to do that
with such a small cost is to use the small claims court and
the problem is that its decision is not enforceable using
a bailiff and it is trivial to ignore debt collectors and they
wouldnt be interested in such a small debt anyway.

Which is why I was asking if anyone could think of any
mechanical way to stop the miscreant from keeping on
getting a locksmith to keep changing the lock and we
have now confirmed that no one can come up with any
legal way of actually preventing him from doing that.

Yes, it is certainly possible to get a court injunction
to stop him getting the lock changed by a locksmith,
but that wouldnt be cheap and he is likely to just ignore
that and is very unlikely to be jailed if he ignores that
with a civil matter.

welding/brazing the lock in would work upto a point.

No it would not. His locksmith just changes the barrel, not the entire
lock.

and it's gonna take a lot longer if that's brazed in. Sheesh

It would cost the miscreant rather more to change it repeatedly.
A completely buried lock that's is operated by something other
than a key may also work, eg using a solenoid.

A locksmith can still change what controls that.

either the locksmith will have no physical access to it at all,

There has to be access to it in case it dies.

or will only have access to the keypad. Either
way must not enable changing anything.

Not possible given that it has to be possible if it dies.

In theory one of those modern electronic locks that
allows any mobile phone that has been authorised
to unlock it would work, but that isnt really practical
with 60 flats and something like 120 mobile phones
that keep changing quite frequently as people
upgrade their phones. And even with one of those,
the locksmith can still change the whole thing.

how is the locksmith going to change
hardware he has no physical access to?

There always has to be physical access in case it dies.

Only by cutting the access gate & welding it up afterawrds.
It's possible but pricey, especially when the pseudo-owner
is immediately denied access again.

Not possible to deny his mates access.

Is public shaming an option?

No, everyone knows who it is, he claims its his balcony.

that does not prevent public shaming being an option.

You can't shame someone when everyone knows
who is getting the locksmith to change the lock.

The law might, I know nothing of ozzie law.

Yes it does. And I doubt he cares anyway given that
he is so blatant about getting the lock changed.

He may be too stupid to work out how to change
the barrel himself using youtube, he is after all
just someone who works for builders, not exactly
what you might call rocket scientist material. So
it might be worth trying a surveillance camera
with two way audio so I can tell his locksmith
that he isnt allowed to change the lock. Not
clear how long he would be prepared to wait
before trying again tho. Not that keen on
having to be sure I can tell the locksmith for
years and have to check whets going on
every time one of the flat owners/tenants
uses that balcony for a BBQ for years.

ok, you're too thick to do this. Give it to someone that can.

wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 19:53:12 UTC+1, 543dsa wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 14:24:39 UTC+1, 543dsa wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 08:37:19 UTC+1, 543dsa wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
543dsa wrote:

Australia, strata title, which has some similarities to the US
condominium
system but we dont have home owners associations here. How
things
must be done it spelt out in the strata title legislation.

Which from reading the bumph

https://www.strata.community/understandingstrata/what-is-strata

the individual lots should be precisely marked on the plans, so
the
ownership of the balcony should be clear,

Yes.

and there is a legal entity
behind the common parts, so doesn't the legal entity just sue the
lock-changing dickhead?

Yes, but as I said elsewhere, the only viable way to do that
with such a small cost is to use the small claims court and
the problem is that its decision is not enforceable using
a bailiff and it is trivial to ignore debt collectors and they
wouldnt be interested in such a small debt anyway.

Which is why I was asking if anyone could think of any
mechanical way to stop the miscreant from keeping on
getting a locksmith to keep changing the lock and we
have now confirmed that no one can come up with any
legal way of actually preventing him from doing that.

Yes, it is certainly possible to get a court injunction
to stop him getting the lock changed by a locksmith,
but that wouldnt be cheap and he is likely to just ignore
that and is very unlikely to be jailed if he ignores that
with a civil matter.

welding/brazing the lock in would work upto a point.

No it would not. His locksmith just changes the barrel, not the entire
lock.

and it's gonna take a lot longer if that's brazed in. Sheesh

It would cost the miscreant rather more to change it repeatedly.
A completely buried lock that's is operated by something other
than a key may also work, eg using a solenoid.

A locksmith can still change what controls that.

either the locksmith will have no physical access to it at all,

There has to be access to it in case it dies.

or will only have access to the keypad. Either
way must not enable changing anything.

Not possible given that it has to be possible if it dies.

In theory one of those modern electronic locks that
allows any mobile phone that has been authorised
to unlock it would work, but that isnt really practical
with 60 flats and something like 120 mobile phones
that keep changing quite frequently as people
upgrade their phones. And even with one of those,
the locksmith can still change the whole thing.

how is the locksmith going to change
hardware he has no physical access to?

There always has to be physical access in case it dies.

Only by cutting the access gate & welding it up afterawrds.
It's possible but pricey, especially when the pseudo-owner
is immediately denied access again.

Not possible to deny his mates access.

Is public shaming an option?

No, everyone knows who it is, he claims its his balcony.

that does not prevent public shaming being an option.

You can't shame someone when everyone knows
who is getting the locksmith to change the lock.

The law might, I know nothing of ozzie law.

Yes it does. And I doubt he cares anyway given that
he is so blatant about getting the lock changed.

He may be too stupid to work out how to change
the barrel himself using youtube, he is after all
just someone who works for builders, not exactly
what you might call rocket scientist material. So
it might be worth trying a surveillance camera
with two way audio so I can tell his locksmith
that he isnt allowed to change the lock. Not
clear how long he would be prepared to wait
before trying again tho. Not that keen on
having to be sure I can tell the locksmith for
years and have to check whets going on
every time one of the flat owners/tenants
uses that balcony for a BBQ for years.

ok, you're too thick to do this. Give it to someone that can.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 19:51:55 +1000, 543dsa, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote:

ok, you're too thick to do this. Give it to someone that can.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

YOU certainly KEEP bull****ting your way into your grave, you senile cretin!

--
"Anonymous" to trolling senile Rot Speed:
"You can **** off as you know less than pig **** you sad
little ignorant ****."
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