... not actually a house, just garage/workshop/study but most regs apply.
No plumbing except the oil tank. What do I need to get?

- BCO signoff
- OFTEC certificate
- FENSA certificate
- Something from the sparky?

Anything else?

Andy

On 31/08/18 22:54, Vir Campestris wrote:
.. not actually a house, just garage/workshop/study but most regs apply.
No plumbing except the oil tank. What do I need to get?

- BCO signoff
- OFTEC certificate
- FENSA certificate
- Something from the sparky?

Anything else?

Andy

Do you already have planning permission?

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The .gov.uk planning portal should be your first step some very useful info there. What you are proposing can probably be done under permitted development only requiring planning permission if you cannot meet the necessary criteria. Depending on size you may require building regs. compliance, below 30 sq. m you should be OK.

I had a 40 sq. m. garage/workshop/mancave erected this year all done under permitted development but because of the floor area I had to get building regs. approval. This did mean getting hold of drawings and calculations for the structure, having the groundworks inspected and having to provide adequate drainage for the roof. I went with a private inspector rather than the LBCO, as this worked out cheaper.

Richard

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.. not actually a house, just garage/workshop/study but most regs apply. No
plumbing except the oil tank. What do I need to get?

- BCO signoff
- OFTEC certificate
- FENSA certificate
- Something from the sparky?

Anything else?

Andy

Do you actually need BCO sign off when there is no sleeping accommodation?
Several year back when I built my non attached utility / meat preparation
building ( I cure my own hams and bacon from our pigs) I was told it was
not needed by my local planning office.

Andrew

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"Vir Campestris" wrote in message news

.. not actually a house, just garage/workshop/study but most regs
apply. No plumbing except the oil tank. What do I need to get?

- BCO signoff
- OFTEC certificate
- FENSA certificate
- Something from the sparky?

Anything else?

Andy

Do you actually need BCO sign off when there is no sleeping
accommodation? Several year back when I built my non attached utility /
meat preparation building ( I cure my own hams and bacon from our
pigs) I was told it was not needed by my local planning office.

As above. Alterations to an existing single, detached, brick built
garage included in the cottage development were deemed too small to
require BC involvement. (No toilet, no bed)

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Vir Campestris Wrote in message:
.. not actually a house, just garage/workshop/study but most regs apply.
No plumbing except the oil tank. What do I need to get?

- BCO signoff
- OFTEC certificate
- FENSA certificate
- Something from the sparky?

Anything else?

Andy


PP only if too big for PD.
BCO iirc only if "habitable", bogs & beds?
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Vir Campestris Wrote in message:
.. not actually a house, just garage/workshop/study but most regs apply.
No plumbing except the oil tank. What do I need to get?

- BCO signoff
- OFTEC certificate
- FENSA certificate
- Something from the sparky?

Anything else?

Andy


PP only if too big for PD.

too big is not the only reason that PD may not be applicable

It isn't available for properties split into flats, even if the work being
done would be allowed if the property were a single house (I.e. ground floor
extension into garden, conversion of loft space)

tim

On 01/09/2018 13:01, Jim K wrote:
Vir Campestris Wrote in message:
.. not actually a house, just garage/workshop/study but most regs apply.
No plumbing except the oil tank. What do I need to get?

- BCO signoff
- OFTEC certificate
- FENSA certificate
- Something from the sparky?

Anything else?

Andy


PP only if too big for PD.
BCO iirc only if "habitable", bogs & beds?


BCO also usually required if over 30 square metres.

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Vir Campestris Wrote in message:
.. not actually a house, just garage/workshop/study but most regs apply.
No plumbing except the oil tank. What do I need to get?

- BCO signoff
- OFTEC certificate
- FENSA certificate
- Something from the sparky?

Anything else?

Andy


PP only if too big for PD.

too big is not the only reason that PD may not be applicable

It isn't available for properties split into flats, even if the work being
done would be allowed if the property were a single house (I.e. ground floor
extension into garden, conversion of loft space)

tim

Do flats have PD?
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On 01/09/2018 13:01, Jim K wrote:
Vir Campestris Wrote in message:
.. not actually a house, just garage/workshop/study but most regs apply.
No plumbing except the oil tank. What do I need to get?

- BCO signoff
- OFTEC certificate
- FENSA certificate
- Something from the sparky?

Anything else?

Andy


PP only if too big for PD.
BCO iirc only if "habitable", bogs & beds?


BCO also usually required if over 30 square metres.


Yes.

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On 01/09/2018 18:44, Jim K wrote:
Robin Wrote in message:
On 01/09/2018 13:01, Jim K wrote:
Vir Campestris Wrote in message:
.. not actually a house, just garage/workshop/study but most regs apply.
No plumbing except the oil tank. What do I need to get?

- BCO signoff
- OFTEC certificate
- FENSA certificate
- Something from the sparky?

Anything else?

Andy


PP only if too big for PD.
BCO iirc only if "habitable", bogs & beds?


BCO also usually required if over 30 square metres.


Yes.

.... which is where I am (5mx8.5).

It was going to be 5x9, but the planners insisted I lop half a metre
off. No idea why, and how they thought that would make a difference.

BCO is involved, I gather there is a signoff certificate.

And Jeff, it would be a bit late to ask for planning permission. It's
almost finished! Yes, I do have it. And listed buildings consent (within
the curtilage...)

Andy

Vir Campestris Wrote in message:
On 01/09/2018 18:44, Jim K wrote:
Robin Wrote in message:
On 01/09/2018 13:01, Jim K wrote:
Vir Campestris Wrote in message:
.. not actually a house, just garage/workshop/study but most regs apply.
No plumbing except the oil tank. What do I need to get?

- BCO signoff
- OFTEC certificate
- FENSA certificate
- Something from the sparky?

Anything else?

Andy


PP only if too big for PD.
BCO iirc only if "habitable", bogs & beds?


BCO also usually required if over 30 square metres.


Yes.

... which is where I am (5mx8.5).

It was going to be 5x9, but the planners insisted I lop half a metre
off. No idea why, and how they thought that would make a difference.

BCO is involved, I gather there is a signoff certificate.

And Jeff, it would be a bit late to ask for planning permission. It's
almost finished! Yes, I do have it. And listed buildings consent (within
the curtilage...)

Andy


Er so isn't it a bit late (and not the right place) to be asking
what documentation you'll require for sign off?

Ask the man who signs?
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"Jim K" wrote in message
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Vir Campestris Wrote in message:
.. not actually a house, just garage/workshop/study but most regs
apply.
No plumbing except the oil tank. What do I need to get?

- BCO signoff
- OFTEC certificate
- FENSA certificate
- Something from the sparky?

Anything else?

Andy


PP only if too big for PD.

too big is not the only reason that PD may not be applicable

It isn't available for properties split into flats, even if the work
being
done would be allowed if the property were a single house (I.e. ground
floor
extension into garden, conversion of loft space)

tim

Do flats have PD?

AFAIA, No

But it gets confusing when a house has been converted into flats

the owners automatically assume that they have the same PD rights as the
(next in the street) whole house has.

But they don't, though there's no reason why they shouldn't (other than
creating a different point for confusion - flats that do have PD and flats
that don't have).

Of course having PD rights wouldn't override their LL's interest in
controlling (charging for, and perhaps, refusing) permission.

tim

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Vir Campestris Wrote in message:
.. not actually a house, just garage/workshop/study but most regs
apply.
No plumbing except the oil tank. What do I need to get?

- BCO signoff
- OFTEC certificate
- FENSA certificate
- Something from the sparky?

Anything else?

Andy


PP only if too big for PD.

too big is not the only reason that PD may not be applicable

It isn't available for properties split into flats, even if the work
being
done would be allowed if the property were a single house (I.e. ground
floor
extension into garden, conversion of loft space)

tim

Do flats have PD?

AFAIA, No

But it gets confusing when a house has been converted into flats

the owners automatically assume that they have the same PD rights as the
(next in the street) whole house has.

But they don't, though there's no reason why they shouldn't (other than
creating a different point for confusion - flats that do have PD and
flats
that don't have).

Of course having PD rights wouldn't override their LL's interest in
controlling (charging for, and perhaps, refusing) permission.

tim




Er... If they have a LL WTF would they be considering doing
things that need PD/PP?


The freeholder of a long lease (often 99 year) property is, in legal terms,
a landlord

tim

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"Jim K" wrote in message
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Vir Campestris Wrote in message:
.. not actually a house, just garage/workshop/study but most regs
apply.
No plumbing except the oil tank. What do I need to get?

- BCO signoff
- OFTEC certificate
- FENSA certificate
- Something from the sparky?

Anything else?

Andy


PP only if too big for PD.

too big is not the only reason that PD may not be applicable

It isn't available for properties split into flats, even if the work
being
done would be allowed if the property were a single house (I.e. ground
floor
extension into garden, conversion of loft space)

tim

Do flats have PD?

AFAIA, No

But it gets confusing when a house has been converted into flats

the owners automatically assume that they have the same PD rights as the
(next in the street) whole house has.

But they don't, though there's no reason why they shouldn't (other than
creating a different point for confusion - flats that do have PD and flats
that don't have).

Of course having PD rights wouldn't override their LL's interest in
controlling (charging for, and perhaps, refusing) permission.

tim




Er... If they have a LL WTF would they be considering doing
things that need PD/PP?
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"Jim K" wrote in message
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Vir Campestris Wrote in message:
.. not actually a house, just garage/workshop/study but most regs
apply.
No plumbing except the oil tank. What do I need to get?

- BCO signoff
- OFTEC certificate
- FENSA certificate
- Something from the sparky?

Anything else?

Andy


PP only if too big for PD.

too big is not the only reason that PD may not be applicable

It isn't available for properties split into flats, even if the work
being
done would be allowed if the property were a single house (I.e. ground
floor
extension into garden, conversion of loft space)

tim

Do flats have PD?

AFAIA, No

But it gets confusing when a house has been converted into flats

the owners automatically assume that they have the same PD rights as the
(next in the street) whole house has.

But they don't, though there's no reason why they shouldn't (other than
creating a different point for confusion - flats that do have PD and
flats
that don't have).

Of course having PD rights wouldn't override their LL's interest in
controlling (charging for, and perhaps, refusing) permission.

tim




Er... If they have a LL WTF would they be considering doing
things that need PD/PP?


The freeholder of a long lease (often 99 year) property is, in legal terms,
a landlord

tim

They should continue to regard themselves as leaseholders in this
regard.
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Vir Campestris Wrote in message:
.. not actually a house, just garage/workshop/study but most regs
apply.
No plumbing except the oil tank. What do I need to get?

- BCO signoff
- OFTEC certificate
- FENSA certificate
- Something from the sparky?

Anything else?

Andy


PP only if too big for PD.

too big is not the only reason that PD may not be applicable

It isn't available for properties split into flats, even if the work
being
done would be allowed if the property were a single house (I.e.
ground
floor
extension into garden, conversion of loft space)

tim

Do flats have PD?

AFAIA, No

But it gets confusing when a house has been converted into flats

the owners automatically assume that they have the same PD rights as
the
(next in the street) whole house has.

But they don't, though there's no reason why they shouldn't (other than
creating a different point for confusion - flats that do have PD and
flats
that don't have).

Of course having PD rights wouldn't override their LL's interest in
controlling (charging for, and perhaps, refusing) permission.

tim




Er... If they have a LL WTF would they be considering doing
things that need PD/PP?


The freeholder of a long lease (often 99 year) property is, in legal
terms,
a landlord

tim

They should continue to regard themselves as leaseholders in this
regard.

not sure what you are saying

Leaseholders (AKA tenants on a long lease) often apply to the Freeholder
(AKA Landlord) for permission for extend/modify a property

tim

On 01/09/2018 22:46, Jim K wrote:
Er so isn't it a bit late (and not the right place) to be asking
what documentation you'll require for sign off?

Ask the man who signs?

Before I pay the final bill I want to know that all the boxes have been
ticked.

Andy

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.. not actually a house, just garage/workshop/study but most regs
apply.
No plumbing except the oil tank. What do I need to get?

- BCO signoff
- OFTEC certificate
- FENSA certificate
- Something from the sparky?

Anything else?

Andy


PP only if too big for PD.

too big is not the only reason that PD may not be applicable

It isn't available for properties split into flats, even if the work
being
done would be allowed if the property were a single house (I.e.
ground
floor
extension into garden, conversion of loft space)

tim

Do flats have PD?

AFAIA, No

But it gets confusing when a house has been converted into flats

the owners automatically assume that they have the same PD rights as
the
(next in the street) whole house has.

But they don't, though there's no reason why they shouldn't (other than
creating a different point for confusion - flats that do have PD and
flats
that don't have).

Of course having PD rights wouldn't override their LL's interest in
controlling (charging for, and perhaps, refusing) permission.

tim




Er... If they have a LL WTF would they be considering doing
things that need PD/PP?


The freeholder of a long lease (often 99 year) property is, in legal
terms,
a landlord

tim

They should continue to regard themselves as leaseholders in this
regard.

not sure what you are saying

Leaseholders (AKA tenants on a long lease) often apply to the Freeholder
(AKA Landlord) for permission for extend/modify a property

tim


As they should.

Ignorance is no defence for applying/attempting to invoke pp/pd
for a leaseholder.

Shurely there's a poignant question on any pp forms? Ownership....?

Anyone who sets off assuming PD can take the risk of subsequent
corrective action as they see fit.

What are you now saying?

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On 01/09/2018 22:46, Jim K wrote:
Er so isn't it a bit late (and not the right place) to be asking
what documentation you'll require for sign off?

Ask the man who signs?

Before I pay the final bill I want to know that all the boxes have been
ticked.

Andy


Snagging clause shurely?
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It was going to be 5x9, but the planners insisted I lop half a metre
off. No idea why, and how they thought that would make a difference

Maybe it's to do with the size of the property and any previous extensions. Certainly under permitted development you cannot add extensions or buildings that exceed 50% of the original garden/land. They may have insisted you keep to that criteria by slightly reducing the size of your project.

Why did you need planning permission? Why could you not do it under permitted development? The size of your project certainly attracts BCO interest but why the planners?

Richard

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Leaseholders (AKA tenants on a long lease) often apply to the Freeholder
(AKA Landlord) for permission for extend/modify a property

tim


As they should.

Ignorance is no defence for applying/attempting to invoke pp/pd
for a leaseholder.

having LL permission is irrelevant for getting PP

Shurely there's a poignant question on any pp forms? Ownership....?

It is not necessary to own a property to obtain PP for a building upon it.

It never was, and here is no real reason why there should be such a
requirement.

Anyone who sets off assuming PD can take the risk of subsequent
corrective action as they see fit.

Obviously

as should the Leaseholder who makes modification without LL's permission.

What are you now saying?

I've no idea what the new question is

tim



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Leaseholders (AKA tenants on a long lease) often apply to the Freeholder
(AKA Landlord) for permission for extend/modify a property

tim


As they should.

Ignorance is no defence for applying/attempting to invoke pp/pd
for a leaseholder.

having LL permission is irrelevant for getting PP

Shurely there's a poignant question on any pp forms? Ownership....?

It is not necessary to own a property to obtain PP for a building upon it.

Obviously, but the owners should be notified somehow, hence the
question...

It never was, and here is no real reason why there should be such a
requirement.

What requirement? To own to apply for pp? Or to notify owners of
pp applications?

It seems blindingly obviously necessary to me. Why wouldn't I want
to know that someone has applied for planning on my
land?

Anyone who sets off assuming PD can take the risk of subsequent
corrective action as they see fit.

Obviously

as should the Leaseholder who makes modification without LL's permission.

What are you now saying?

I've no idea what the new question is

Looking at the above I'm not surprised ;-)

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On 02/09/2018 22:59, Tricky Dicky wrote:
The size of your project certainly attracts BCO interest but why the planners?

Listed Building. Our house is ~300 years old.

Andy