LR44 batteries - voltage
I bought some LR44 1.55v batteries on ebay for my Barclays Pin sentry
card reader. They don't work! Using my digital multimeter the voltages of the 4 I tried are 0.471 1.30 1.43 1.47 What voltage should I get from a new battery? The card reader was showing "Low Battery". Fortunately after I rubbed the old batteries with a tissue the card reader started to work so I have been able to make my online bank payment. -- Michael Chare |
LR44 batteries - voltage
On 30/07/2018 13:19, Michael Chare wrote:
I bought some LR44 1.55v batteries on ebay for my Barclays Pin sentry card reader. They don't work! Using my digital multimeter the voltages of the 4 I tried are 0.471 1.30 1.43 1.47 What voltage should I get from a new battery? A fresh silver oxide one should be around 1.6v under no load. See http://data.energizer.com/pdfs/silveroxide_appman.pdf The card reader was showing "Low Battery".Â* Fortunately after I rubbed the old batteries with a tissue the card reader started to work so I have been able to make my online bank payment. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
LR44 batteries - voltage
Michael Chare wrote:
I bought some LR44 1.55v batteries on ebay for my Barclays Pin sentry card reader. They don't work! Using my digital multimeter the voltages of the 4 I tried are 0.471 1.30 1.43 1.47 What voltage should I get from a new battery? Some Energizer alkaline LR44s with 2020 expiry date all read 1.57V |
LR44 batteries - voltage
Martin Brown wrote:
A fresh silver oxide one should be around 1.6v under no load My pinsentry was provided with alkaline cells, not silver oxide. |
LR44 batteries - voltage
On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 13:34:30 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote: On 30/07/2018 13:19, Michael Chare wrote: I bought some LR44 1.55v batteries on ebay for my Barclays Pin sentry card reader. They don't work! Using my digital multimeter the voltages of the 4 I tried are 0.471 1.30 1.43 1.47 What voltage should I get from a new battery? A fresh silver oxide one should be around 1.6v under no load. See http://data.energizer.com/pdfs/silveroxide_appman.pdf The card reader was showing "Low Battery".* Fortunately after I rubbed the old batteries with a tissue the card reader started to work so I have been able to make my online bank payment. Did you try rubbing the new batteries? I'm also a Barclays customer and I had some problems replacing the batteries. Unfortunately, I cannot remember what the problem was but I think it was connections. |
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 13:42:59 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote: Martin Brown wrote: A fresh silver oxide one should be around 1.6v under no load My pinsentry was provided with alkaline cells, not silver oxide. I'm sure I used alkaline. |
LR44 batteries - voltage
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Michael Chare wrote: I bought some LR44 1.55v batteries on ebay for my Barclays Pin sentry card reader. They don't work! Using my digital multimeter the voltages of the 4 I tried are 0.471 1.30 1.43 1.47 What voltage should I get from a new battery? If fresh, always more than its nominal figure. Just measured one with a best before July 2014 date. 1.53v -- *My luck is so bad that if I bought a cemetery, people would stop dying. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
LR44 batteries - voltage
On Monday, 30 July 2018 13:19:09 UTC+1, Michael Chare wrote:
I bought some LR44 1.55v batteries on ebay for my Barclays Pin sentry card reader. They don't work! Using my digital multimeter the voltages of the 4 I tried are 0.471 1.30 1.43 1.47 What voltage should I get from a new battery? The card reader was showing "Low Battery". Fortunately after I rubbed the old batteries with a tissue the card reader started to work so I have been able to make my online bank payment. Alkalines give 1.55v new. You already know that. NT |
LR44 batteries - voltage
On 30/07/2018 13:19, Michael Chare wrote:
I bought some LR44 1.55v batteries on ebay for my Barclays Pin sentry card reader. They don't work! Using my digital multimeter the voltages of the 4 I tried are 0.471 1.30 1.43 1.47 What voltage should I get from a new battery? The card reader was showing "Low Battery".Â* Fortunately after I rubbed the old batteries with a tissue the card reader started to work so I have been able to make my online bank payment. I believe the LR44 is an alkaline battery with a terminal voltage of 1.5V. A SR44 is a silver oxide batter with a terminal voltage of 1.55V The ones you have must be well past their sell by date, or kept in a very warm place conducive to a significant self-discharge. There should be a date on the batteries or packaging. |
LR44 batteries - voltage
Therese sound knackered. get your money back.
Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Michael Chare" wrote in message ... I bought some LR44 1.55v batteries on ebay for my Barclays Pin sentry card reader. They don't work! Using my digital multimeter the voltages of the 4 I tried are 0.471 1.30 1.43 1.47 What voltage should I get from a new battery? The card reader was showing "Low Battery". Fortunately after I rubbed the old batteries with a tissue the card reader started to work so I have been able to make my online bank payment. -- Michael Chare |
LR44 batteries - voltage
On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 19:19:45 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote: Therese sound knackered. get your money back. Brian This can sometimes be a challenge with eBay, I believe. |
LR44 batteries - voltage
On 30/07/2018 13:19, Michael Chare wrote:
I bought some LR44 1.55v batteries on ebay for my Barclays Pin sentry card reader. They don't work! I get mine from https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0042LPUIK/ £3.70 for 10 including postage. No problems. Using my digital multimeter the voltages of the 4 I tried are 0.471 1.30 1.43 1.47 What voltage should I get from a new battery? !.5V nominal. The card reader was showing "Low Battery".Â* Fortunately after I rubbed the old batteries with a tissue the card reader started to work so I have been able to make my online bank payment. Why not take it back to a Barclays Bank branch? I expect they'll replace the reader. -- Max Demian |
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On 30/07/2018 19:24, Scott wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 19:19:45 +0100, "Brian Gaff" wrote: Therese sound knackered. get your money back. Brian This can sometimes be a challenge with eBay, I believe. I have succeeded in the past for something that was not delivered. I once had to use the ebay resolution procedure but I think that was because the seller lacked competence, he did not dispute my case. -- Michael Chare |
LR44 batteries - voltage
On 30/07/2018 13:44, Scott wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 13:34:30 +0100, Martin Brown wrote: On 30/07/2018 13:19, Michael Chare wrote: I bought some LR44 1.55v batteries on ebay for my Barclays Pin sentry card reader. They don't work! Using my digital multimeter the voltages of the 4 I tried are 0.471 1.30 1.43 1.47 What voltage should I get from a new battery? A fresh silver oxide one should be around 1.6v under no load. See http://data.energizer.com/pdfs/silveroxide_appman.pdf The card reader was showing "Low Battery".Â* Fortunately after I rubbed the old batteries with a tissue the card reader started to work so I have been able to make my online bank payment. Did you try rubbing the new batteries? I'm also a Barclays customer and I had some problems replacing the batteries. Unfortunately, I cannot remember what the problem was but I think it was connections. Rings bells with me too. |
LR44 batteries - voltage
On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 22:56:15 +0100, Max Demian
wrote: On 30/07/2018 13:19, Michael Chare wrote: I bought some LR44 1.55v batteries on ebay for my Barclays Pin sentry card reader. They don't work! I get mine from https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0042LPUIK/ £3.70 for 10 including postage. No problems. Using my digital multimeter the voltages of the 4 I tried are 0.471 1.30 1.43 1.47 What voltage should I get from a new battery? !.5V nominal. The card reader was showing "Low Battery".* Fortunately after I rubbed the old batteries with a tissue the card reader started to work so I have been able to make my online bank payment. Why not take it back to a Barclays Bank branch? I expect they'll replace the reader. I thought of that but it offends my 'right to repair' principles. |
LR44 batteries - voltage
On 30/07/18 22:56, Max Demian wrote:
On 30/07/2018 13:19, Michael Chare wrote: I bought some LR44 1.55v batteries on ebay for my Barclays Pin sentry card reader. They don't work! I get mine from https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0042LPUIK/ £3.70 for 10 including postage. No problems. Using my digital multimeter the voltages of the 4 I tried are 0.471 1.30 1.43 1.47 What voltage should I get from a new battery? !.5V nominal. The card reader was showing "Low Battery".Â* Fortunately after I rubbed the old batteries with a tissue the card reader started to work so I have been able to make my online bank payment. Why not take it back to a Barclays Bank branch? I expect they'll replace the reader. +1 That's what they did for me. Don't even have to go to a branch. https://www.barclays.co.uk/help/onli...entry_replace/ |
LR44 batteries - voltage
On 30/07/2018 13:34, Martin Brown wrote:
A fresh silver oxide one should be around 1.6v under no load. See Silver Oxide batteries would be SR44. LR44 are normal lithium batteries, and should be about 1.55 volts when fresh. Beware of using LR44 in place of SR44 in an older film camera because ony the SR44 batteries can deliver the current necessary to activate the mirror-up and shutter. Expect many, many pointless arguments with a holes at carboot sales who will try and convince you that they are 'the same'. |
LR44 batteries - voltage
On 30/07/2018 22:56, Max Demian wrote:
Why not take it back to a Barclays Bank branch? I expect they'll replace the reader. yup. Worthing branch just gave me a new one when I complained that the LCD was getting a bit too dim to read. I was superprised to learn that they are not tied to your account in any way, so if somene gets holds of your login details and pin then they can still hack your account with another pinsentry. |
LR44 batteries - voltage
On 31/07/18 14:00, Andrew wrote:
On 30/07/2018 22:56, Max Demian wrote: Why not take it back to a Barclays Bank branch? I expect they'll replace the reader. yup. Worthing branch just gave me a new one when I complained that the LCD was getting a bit too dim to read. I was superprised to learn that they are not tied to your account in any way, so if somene gets holds of your login details and pin then they can still hack your account with another pinsentry. So you think that every chip and pin point in the world is tied to your account? That is all the pin sentry is, a chip and pin reader. |
LR44 batteries - voltage
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:00:20 +0100, Andrew wrote:
On 30/07/2018 22:56, Max Demian wrote: Why not take it back to a Barclays Bank branch? I expect they'll replace the reader. yup. Worthing branch just gave me a new one when I complained that the LCD was getting a bit too dim to read. I was superprised to learn that they are not tied to your account in any way, so if somene gets holds of your login details and pin then they can still hack your account with another pinsentry. The NatWest ones require your debit card too. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
LR44 batteries - voltage
Bob Eager wrote:
The NatWest ones require your debit card too. So do the Barclays ones, and the Natwest/Barclays cards and readers are interoperable. |
LR44 batteries - voltage
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:00:20 +0100, Andrew
wrote: On 30/07/2018 22:56, Max Demian wrote: Why not take it back to a Barclays Bank branch? I expect they'll replace the reader. yup. Worthing branch just gave me a new one when I complained that the LCD was getting a bit too dim to read. I was superprised to learn that they are not tied to your account in any way, so if somene gets holds of your login details and pin then they can still hack your account with another pinsentry. As indeed you can use someone else's device to generate a code (except I think one bank (HSBC?) uses a different system). |
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Andrew wrote: I was superprised to learn that they are not tied to your account in any way, so if somene gets holds of your login details and pin then they can still hack your account with another pinsentry. With my Barclays one, you also need your card. Thus they would need your card, PIN, and logon details. -- *I didn't like my beard at first. Then it grew on me.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:29:07 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote: Bob Eager wrote: The NatWest ones require your debit card too. So do the Barclays ones, and the Natwest/Barclays cards and readers are interoperable. Interestingly only a debit card. Barclaycards do not work. |
LR44 batteries - voltage
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Scott wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:29:07 +0100, Andy Burns wrote: Bob Eager wrote: The NatWest ones require your debit card too. So do the Barclays ones, and the Natwest/Barclays cards and readers are interoperable. Interestingly only a debit card. Barclaycards do not work. I'd say it would need to be the card associated with the account? You can have a Barclaycard and no Barclay bank account. -- *Failure is not an option. It's bundled with your software. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
LR44 batteries - voltage
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 15:17:47 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , Scott wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:29:07 +0100, Andy Burns wrote: Bob Eager wrote: The NatWest ones require your debit card too. So do the Barclays ones, and the Natwest/Barclays cards and readers are interoperable. Interestingly only a debit card. Barclaycards do not work. I'd say it would need to be the card associated with the account? You can have a Barclaycard and no Barclay bank account. Actually, that must be right. The card reader does not need to be associated but the (debit) card does. |
LR44 batteries - voltage
In article , Richard smithski@btinternet.
com.invalid scribeth thus On 31/07/18 14:00, Andrew wrote: On 30/07/2018 22:56, Max Demian wrote: Why not take it back to a Barclays Bank branch? I expect they'll replace the reader. yup. Worthing branch just gave me a new one when I complained that the LCD was getting a bit too dim to read. I was superprised to learn that they are not tied to your account in any way, so if somene gets holds of your login details and pin then they can still hack your account with another pinsentry. So you think that every chip and pin point in the world is tied to your account? That is all the pin sentry is, a chip and pin reader. They still need your card!.. -- Tony Sayer |
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On 31/07/18 16:01, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Richard smithski@btinternet. com.invalid scribeth thus On 31/07/18 14:00, Andrew wrote: On 30/07/2018 22:56, Max Demian wrote: Why not take it back to a Barclays Bank branch? I expect they'll replace the reader. yup. Worthing branch just gave me a new one when I complained that the LCD was getting a bit too dim to read. I was superprised to learn that they are not tied to your account in any way, so if somene gets holds of your login details and pin then they can still hack your account with another pinsentry. So you think that every chip and pin point in the world is tied to your account? That is all the pin sentry is, a chip and pin reader. They still need your card!.. Really!? And I thought the chip came with fish. Better tell Andrew, eh? |
LR44 batteries - voltage
On 31/07/18 15:17, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Scott wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:29:07 +0100, Andy Burns wrote: Bob Eager wrote: The NatWest ones require your debit card too. So do the Barclays ones, and the Natwest/Barclays cards and readers are interoperable. Interestingly only a debit card. Barclaycards do not work. I'd say it would need to be the card associated with the account? You can have a Barclaycard and no Barclay bank account. Barclaycard is a Credit card. Different standard to Debit cards. A credit card won't work in a pin sentry device, as that is intended for online banking. They also use pin sentries in my local Barclays branch to do transactions over the counter. |
LR44 batteries - voltage
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 16:27:29 +0100, Richard
wrote: On 31/07/18 15:17, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Scott wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:29:07 +0100, Andy Burns wrote: Bob Eager wrote: The NatWest ones require your debit card too. So do the Barclays ones, and the Natwest/Barclays cards and readers are interoperable. Interestingly only a debit card. Barclaycards do not work. I'd say it would need to be the card associated with the account? You can have a Barclaycard and no Barclay bank account. Barclaycard is a Credit card. Different standard to Debit cards. A credit card won't work in a pin sentry device, as that is intended for online banking. They also use pin sentries in my local Barclays branch to do transactions over the counter. If you have two accounts / two debit cards, can you use the 'wrong' debit card? Otherwise, it's easier than this (card needs to relate to account, full stop). |
LR44 batteries - voltage
In article ,
Scott wrote: Barclaycard is a Credit card. Different standard to Debit cards. A credit card won't work in a pin sentry device, as that is intended for online banking. They also use pin sentries in my local Barclays branch to do transactions over the counter. If you have two accounts / two debit cards, can you use the 'wrong' debit card? Otherwise, it's easier than this (card needs to relate to account, full stop). No. You need the debit card associated with the account - or rather you do with Barclays. At home, that is. -- *(on a baby-size shirt) "Party -- my crib -- two a.m Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 31/07/2018 14:10, Richard wrote:
So you think that every chip and pin point in the world is tied to your account? That is all the pin sentry is, a chip and pin reader. The telecoms co i used to work for supplied us with laptops installed with a Nortel VPN and an RSA key and as far as I can remember each one was tied to the laptop and needed a pin as well. When logging in the device showed 5 bars and you had to enter your pin before the 5th bar appeared so it would synchronise with their server. Using a collegues RSA key would not work without the matching pin. |
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:29:07 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
Bob Eager wrote: The NatWest ones require your debit card too. So do the Barclays ones, and the Natwest/Barclays cards and readers are interoperable. As I thought. So the fact that the readers are interchangeable is not a problem. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
LR44 batteries - voltage
On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 13:19:04 +0100, Michael Chare wrote:
I bought some LR44 1.55v batteries on ebay for my Barclays Pin sentry card reader. They don't work! Using my digital multimeter the voltages of the 4 I tried are 0.471 1.30 1.43 1.47 What voltage should I get from a new battery? Nominally, 1.5 volt but new cells typically show an extra 50 to 100mV higher than this nominal 1.5v rating. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Button...pe_designation -- Johnny B Good |
LR44 batteries - voltage
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 17:18:56 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , Scott wrote: Barclaycard is a Credit card. Different standard to Debit cards. A credit card won't work in a pin sentry device, as that is intended for online banking. They also use pin sentries in my local Barclays branch to do transactions over the counter. If you have two accounts / two debit cards, can you use the 'wrong' debit card? Otherwise, it's easier than this (card needs to relate to account, full stop). No. You need the debit card associated with the account - or rather you do with Barclays. At home, that is. Thanks. MIne is Barclays and the original question related to Barclays, so I think that is the question answered. |
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