Can anyone advise or point to a resource to assist me with a list
of requirements & suitable sources to install gigabit network
cabling as a retrofit ?

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On 26/07/18 16:29, Jim K wrote:
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of requirements & suitable sources to install gigabit network
cabling as a retrofit ?

https://www.cisco.com/c/en_uk/partners.html

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On 26/07/18 16:29, Jim K wrote:
Can anyone advise or point to a resource to assist me with a list
of requirements & suitable sources to install gigabit network
cabling as a retrofit ?

What do you actually need to know?

You want Cat 5e installed for gigabit - and tested if that matters[1]

[1] Properly tested with a proper tester, not a pin buzzthrough

To be fair, you have to try quite hard to bugger up Cat 5e, but if this
is for commercial and a lot of it, I'd want it all tested and
certification handed over before paying the bill.

If it's a few wires in a small office or house, I wouldn't bother.

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https://www.cisco.com/c/en_uk/partners.html


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Tim Watts Wrote in message:
On 26/07/18 16:29, Jim K wrote:
Can anyone advise or point to a resource to assist me with a list
of requirements & suitable sources to install gigabit network
cabling as a retrofit ?

What do you actually need to know?

Everything :-) never done it before.

I.e. What I need to do the job, Cat 5e (ok thanks), tools?
Suggested sources for all the bits - cable, rj45 plugs & sockets,
tools, other?

Tester? You suggest not necessarily worthwhile for a home setup.
How much is a tester that is worth bothering with?

Any tips &/or gotchas anyone would like to pass on? Etc.

TIAA

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On 26/07/2018 16:29, Jim K wrote:

Can anyone advise or point to a resource to assist me with a list
of requirements & suitable sources to install gigabit network
cabling as a retrofit ?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/..._wiring_system

Nothing special required for GB network - CAT5E laid in with a bit of
care and decent quality sockets etc will work fine.


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On 26/07/2018 16:29, Jim K wrote:
Can anyone advise or point to a resource to assist me with a list
of requirements & suitable sources to install gigabit network
cabling as a retrofit ?

TIA


CAT5E is perfectly adequate for Gigabit networking.

Cat6 has strict bending restrictions which makes installation
in a typical back box very difficult, so don't bother for
domestic usage.

On 26/07/2018 17:11, Jim K wrote:
Tim Watts Wrote in message:
On 26/07/18 16:29, Jim K wrote:
Can anyone advise or point to a resource to assist me with a list
of requirements & suitable sources to install gigabit network
cabling as a retrofit ?

What do you actually need to know?

Everything :-) never done it before.

I.e. What I need to do the job, Cat 5e (ok thanks), tools?

Cable stripper, krone style punch down tool.

Suggested sources for all the bits - cable, rj45 plugs & sockets,
tools, other?

These folks are good:

https://www.comms-express.com/

Tester? You suggest not necessarily worthwhile for a home setup.

Depends on how big the setup is... if its less than half a dozen
sockets, then you could cope with just using a laptop / switch etc on
each path to test. Anything bigger is much easier with some more test gear.

How much is a tester that is worth bothering with?

The simple point to point testers are very cheap - so if you have
nothing else, they will work on basic systems.

A slightly better (£200 ish) tester will do lots more and is good if you
plan on doing it a few times.

Any tips &/or gotchas anyone would like to pass on? Etc.

Have a read of the structured wiring article I posted up the thread -
that has lots of the basics.


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On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 17:37:00 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

Everything :-) never done it before.

It's simples really. Things to be aware of, there are two "standards"
of colour code "T568A" and "T568B", use T568B. Modular sockets are
now starting to only have 568B markings, those with bothe 568A and
568B on them are confusing as their isn't much space available...

How much is a tester that is worth bothering with?

The simple point to point testers are very cheap - so if you have
nothing else, they will work on basic systems.

A slightly better (£200 ish) tester will do lots more and is good if
you plan on doing it a few times.

I'd recomend a middle ground tester at about £30. The cheapy ones
(£5) will show open/short/miss wires but not where the fault is. The
£30 ones, tell you which end or, if a fault is in the middle, how far
from the tester it is. Along with open/short/miss wire and cable ID
via different remote dongles. Well worth the extra few quid IMHO.
Google SC8108, eBay. Amazon etc.

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On 26/07/2018 17:37, John Rumm wrote:
On 26/07/2018 17:11, Jim K wrote:
Tim Watts Wrote in message:
On 26/07/18 16:29, Jim K wrote:
Can anyone advise or point to a resource to assist me with a list
Â*Â* of requirements & suitable sources to install gigabit network
Â*Â* cabling as a retrofit ?

What do you actually need to know?

Everything :-) never done it before.

I.e. What I need to do the job, Cat 5e (ok thanks), tools?

Cable stripper, krone style punch down tool.

Suggested sources for all the bits - cable, rj45 plugs & sockets,
Â* tools, other?

These folks are good:

https://www.comms-express.com/

Tester? You suggest not necessarily worthwhile for a home setup.

Depends on how big the setup is... if its less than half a dozen
sockets, then you could cope with just using a laptop / switch etc on
each path to test. Anything bigger is much easier with some more test gear.

Â* How much is a tester that is worth bothering with?

The simple point to point testers are very cheap - so if you have
nothing else, they will work on basic systems.

A slightly better (£200 ish) tester will do lots more and is good if you
plan on doing it a few times.

Any tips &/or gotchas anyone would like to pass on? Etc.

Have a read of the structured wiring article I posted up the thread -
that has lots of the basics.



You need good eyesight :-).

And it helps if you have the floors up for other purposes like
new heating or domestic wiring changes.

And also consider POwer-over-ethernet for powering certain low-power
devices like security cameras (or Rpi's).

And some switches are better than others for streaming music, like
Netgear.

On 26/07/18 17:11, Jim K wrote:
Tim Watts Wrote in message:
On 26/07/18 16:29, Jim K wrote:
Can anyone advise or point to a resource to assist me with a list
of requirements & suitable sources to install gigabit network
cabling as a retrofit ?

What do you actually need to know?

Everything :-) never done it before.

I.e. What I need to do the job, Cat 5e (ok thanks), tools?
Suggested sources for all the bits - cable, rj45 plugs & sockets,
tools, other?

You're doing it?

OK - I would recommend the Keystone jack system:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvVyJ4FKXbE

Next time I do it, I would give that a try. Traditionally one uses a
"krone" punch down tool but it's boring and fiddly, having to make 8
punches per socket.

Reel of cat 5e *installation* solid core cable. NOT patch stranded core
cable. No major sockets work with stranded cable.

You can swap the cutters shown for a pair of sidecutters and if you want
to strip sheath quicker, one of these:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cables-Orig.../dp/B008XHMTE2

One spin and open with one hand against the rubber band, take off, pull
off sheath. Very quick, cheap.

Don't kink the cable anywhere,
Do keep the twists as close to the terminations as possible
Do match the colours (pairs going in as pairs is critical).

Other that than you just want a colour match both ends, pin 1 to 1, 2 to
2 etc.


Tester? You suggest not necessarily worthwhile for a home setup.
How much is a tester that is worth bothering with?

No, in that case, it's not.

If you have 2 gigabit devices, plug one in each and and if the lights
come up for gigabit (or if no lights, run a utility on your laptop to
ask what the link speed is) then you're 95% golden.

You'll be unlucky to get into the 5% where it works, but errors a lot in
use with gigabit.


Any tips &/or gotchas anyone would like to pass on? Etc.

TIAA

On 26/07/18 17:11, Jim K wrote:
Tim Watts Wrote in message:
On 26/07/18 16:29, Jim K wrote:
Can anyone advise or point to a resource to assist me with a list
of requirements & suitable sources to install gigabit network
cabling as a retrofit ?

What do you actually need to know?

Everything :-) never done it before.

I.e. What I need to do the job, Cat 5e (ok thanks), tools?
Suggested sources for all the bits - cable, rj45 plugs & sockets,
tools, other?

Tester? You suggest not necessarily worthwhile for a home setup.
How much is a tester that is worth bothering with?

Any tips &/or gotchas anyone would like to pass on? Etc.

TIAA


Oh - you can get 2, maybe 3 cat5e cables down a bit of 20mm oval
conduit. Or for surface runs, the D-Line trunking is quite nice.

On 26/07/2018 16:29, Jim K wrote:
Can anyone advise or point to a resource to assist me with a list
of requirements & suitable sources to install gigabit network
cabling as a retrofit ?

TIA


What are you replacing?

On 26/07/2018 17:11, Jim K wrote:
Tim Watts Wrote in message:
On 26/07/18 16:29, Jim K wrote:
Can anyone advise or point to a resource to assist me with a list
of requirements & suitable sources to install gigabit network
cabling as a retrofit ?

What do you actually need to know?

Everything :-) never done it before.

I.e. What I need to do the job, Cat 5e (ok thanks), tools?
Suggested sources for all the bits - cable, rj45 plugs & sockets,
tools, other?

Tester? You suggest not necessarily worthwhile for a home setup.
How much is a tester that is worth bothering with?

Any tips &/or gotchas anyone would like to pass on? Etc.

TIAA


If its already wired twisted pair and its not a network with long runs
then it probably already works with gigE.
Then you just need to replace the switches and LAN cards with gigE ones
if required.
GigE isn't necessarily going to make things faster than 100M, it depends
on what you are doing.

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of requirements & suitable sources to install gigabit network
cabling as a retrofit ?

TIA


What are you replacing?



Wireless
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On 26/07/2018 18:23, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 17:37:00 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

Everything :-) never done it before.

It's simples really. Things to be aware of, there are two "standards"
of colour code "T568A" and "T568B", use T568B. Modular sockets are
now starting to only have 568B markings, those with bothe 568A and
568B on them are confusing as their isn't much space available...

Yup, the Excel range from comms express are very nice to wire and only
have 568B colours on them.






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On 26/07/2018 18:38, Andrew wrote:
On 26/07/2018 17:37, John Rumm wrote:
On 26/07/2018 17:11, Jim K wrote:
Tim Watts Wrote in message:
On 26/07/18 16:29, Jim K wrote:
Can anyone advise or point to a resource to assist me with a list
Â*Â* of requirements & suitable sources to install gigabit network
Â*Â* cabling as a retrofit ?

What do you actually need to know?

Everything :-) never done it before.

I.e. What I need to do the job, Cat 5e (ok thanks), tools?

Cable stripper, krone style punch down tool.

Suggested sources for all the bits - cable, rj45 plugs & sockets,
Â* tools, other?

These folks are good:

https://www.comms-express.com/

Tester? You suggest not necessarily worthwhile for a home setup.

Depends on how big the setup is... if its less than half a dozen
sockets, then you could cope with just using a laptop / switch etc on
each path to test. Anything bigger is much easier with some more test
gear.

Â* How much is a tester that is worth bothering with?

The simple point to point testers are very cheap - so if you have
nothing else, they will work on basic systems.

A slightly better (£200 ish) tester will do lots more and is good if
you plan on doing it a few times.

Any tips &/or gotchas anyone would like to pass on? Etc.

Have a read of the structured wiring article I posted up the thread -
that has lots of the basics.



You need good eyesight :-).

Head torch helps as well.

And also consider POwer-over-ethernet for powering certain low-power
devices like security cameras (or Rpi's).

That more down to choice of switch rather than cabling as such though...

And some switches are better than others for streaming music, like
Netgear.

Can't say I have had a problem with any switch on just music. Its not a
high bandwidth application.


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On 26/07/2018 16:29, Jim K wrote:
Can anyone advise or point to a resource to assist me with a list
of requirements & suitable sources to install gigabit network
cabling as a retrofit ?

TIA



At the advice received here I used kenable.co.uk for all my supplies
when I did something very similar to what you are looking to do. They
are as cheap, reliable, sell good quality products, and they even have
someone at the end of the phone to talk to should you need advice
prior/post purchase.

I use a switch and a patch panel, and currently have 18 sockets around
the house (pretty large, 2 floors), and will probably end up with around
22 when I am done. Depending on your requirements (e.g. how many
sockets?, etc), you may get away with something simpler than my setup.

This is from my original order from them that got me going:


Cables from patch panel to switch

Yellow Network Ethernet RJ45 Cat5E-CCA UTP PATCH 26AWG Cable Lead 0.5m


Sockets and faceplates

CAT5e Low Profile RJ45 Module Keystone with Name Plate in White
Faceplate 1 Port 86 x 86mm Low Profile White
Faceplate 2 Port 86 x 86mm Low Profile Single Gang


Cable tester (people here suggested here to buy something better - I
never needed anything better than this one)

1 x LAN Network Cable Tester Ethernet RJ45 & BNC


Cable (buy a lot more than you think you'll need)

1 x CAT5e UTP COPPER Ethernet Network SOLID Cable Reel BOX 305m - WHITE


Insertion tool (I bought two, just in case fails. Stil using the first one)

Krone Type IDC Punch Push Down Insertion Network Tool


Cable ties for tiding up patch panel

1 x Natural Cable Ties 3mm x 200mm Pack of 100


I use a cheapish desktop-size GbE TP-Link switch that has worked
flawlessly since I bought it, and a desktop-size patch panel to
terminate the cables near the switch. I chose to use the smaller desktop
size ones rather than the full widths oned due to space limitation.
Happy to share the exact details of these if you like.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 22:54:04 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

Yup, the Excel range from comms express are very nice to wire and only
have 568B colours on them.

The TUK euro modules from CPC are pretty good as well. CS29787 £1.73
ex VAT (£2.06 inc VAT). Actually the CE Excel low profile looks
suspiciously like the TUK... but is £1.36 (£1.63 inc).

However you have to spend £20 ex VAT with CE to get "free" delivery,
£8 ex VAT with CPC. Though that's probably not a issue if your buying
cable tooling faceplates etc... B-)

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On 26/07/2018 17:11, Jim K wrote:

Suggested sources for all the bits - cable, rj45 plugs & sockets,
tools, other?

I have used https://www.kenable.co.uk/en/

Decent prices and a good range.

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On 26/07/2018 23:13, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 22:54:04 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

Yup, the Excel range from comms express are very nice to wire and only
have 568B colours on them.

The TUK euro modules from CPC are pretty good as well. CS29787 £1.73
ex VAT (£2.06 inc VAT). Actually the CE Excel low profile looks
suspiciously like the TUK... but is £1.36 (£1.63 inc).

I normally go for the full depth version:

https://www.comms-express.com/produc...ttered-module/
https://www.comms-express.com/assets...Rear_Large.jpg

Because I find them very easy to manually get the wires pushed into the
right terminals by hand - they grip enough to hold them all in place
before you punch down. They are also easy to cable tie the CAT5 to with
entry from either side.

However you have to spend £20 ex VAT with CE to get "free" delivery,
£8 ex VAT with CPC. Though that's probably not a issue if your buying
cable tooling faceplates etc... B-)

Indeed.

And for a one off job you may as well push the boat out and go for
quality components since its only a small part of the overall hassle.


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On 26/07/18 22:10, Jim K wrote:
"dennis@home" Wrote in message:
On 26/07/2018 16:29, Jim K wrote:
Can anyone advise or point to a resource to assist me with a list
of requirements & suitable sources to install gigabit network
cabling as a retrofit ?

TIA


What are you replacing?



Wireless


If he does, get some decent gear.

When I chucked my crappy Linksys and replaced it with a Ubiquity
AP-AC-Pro with 3 MIMO channels, it was a huge improvement.

To top it off, I moved it upstairs facing down so coverage of all the
downstairs is through wood floorboards and a bit of plasterboard - can
get strong 5GHz pretty much everywhere now.

On 27/07/2018 08:48, Tim Watts wrote:
On 26/07/18 22:10, Jim K wrote:
"dennis@home" Wrote in message:
On 26/07/2018 16:29, Jim K wrote:
Can anyone advise or point to a resource to assist me with a list
Â*Â* of requirements & suitable sources to install gigabit network
Â*Â* cabling as a retrofit ?

TIA


What are you replacing?



Wireless


If he does, get some decent gear.

When I chucked my crappy Linksys and replaced it with a Ubiquity
AP-AC-Pro with 3 MIMO channels, it was a huge improvement.

To top it off, I moved it upstairs facing down so coverage of all the
downstairs is through wood floorboards and a bit of plasterboard - can
get strong 5GHz pretty much everywhere now.


Well yes.
I stopped using wired for the PCs/laptops a couple of years ago.
I use wired for the link between the NAS boxes and for the PoE cameras.
Oh and the two older RPis that don't do wireless the other two are wireless.

On 26/07/18 16:55, Jim K wrote:
Adrian Caspersz Wrote in message:
On 26/07/18 16:29, Jim K wrote:
Can anyone advise or point to a resource to assist me with a list
of requirements & suitable sources to install gigabit network
cabling as a retrofit ?

https://www.cisco.com/c/en_uk/partners.html


Anything in particular you suggest on the "partners page"?


Nope. Me being stupid.

What sense, I will add is my disappointment with patch panels, that have
IDC terminals that are easily damaged (sides of the 'scissor' forced
sideways, bent, snapped) if rough with the Krone tool.

On occasions I've have had to get the soldering iron out, to make messy
repairs at the top of a ladder straight next to the ceiling.

https://www.kenable.co.uk/en/patch-p...383458110.html

Much better to use individual jacks.

There is a US'ian guy on YouTube, fibreninja, that has some office
network install videos worth watching.

#017: Working With Keystone Patch Panels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgBSpYiJQHM

-or-

Just do the lot point to point unstructured. Having it look like cable
p0rn is nice but not that necessary for temporary kit.

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TIA

Plenty to get to grips with there - thanks all
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