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This is probably blindingly obvious to some, but wasn't to me ... We have an ordinary flat screen TV which receives little use, but looks OK when it is used, until I started watching world cup games, and realised a strip of image is being cut off, both sides. Ah! Aspect ratio. No - even at 4:3 a black strip at both sides but the picture itself incomplete. RTFM no good, that just talks about plugging stuff in and basic tuning. OK, much digging through on screen menus and adjusting, to no avail. Google to the rescue. The setting I needed was within the Thompson set top box, not the TV itself. Reset that, and all is well. Must have had that box for 15 years, and had no idea it did anything other than channels. Hey ho. -- Graeme |
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On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 08:13:46 +0100, Graeme
wrote: snip Google to the rescue. The setting I needed was within the Thompson set top box, not the TV itself. Reset that, and all is well. Must have had that box for 15 years, and had no idea it did anything other than channels. Hey ho. Being an IT / hardware guy I often check to see if there are any firmware updates for such things, assuming they don't update themselves OTA. A mate gave me quite a good laser printer that he was fed up with because it kept going to sleep and wouldn't wake up and 'couldn't be bothered with it' any more. I checked online and found there was a V1.02 of the firmware and it was running V1.01. A quick upgrade later and it was fine and I have been using it (with it sleeping and waking up) ever since. Also, because we had a Topfield STB from the early days of them I'm also quite used to upgrading the Taps on that. I believe that defaults to 4:3 after a factory restore. Mobile phones and online tablets tend to prompt you that there are OS / firmware updates, even if you have to Ok them manually. PC / Laptop Mobo BIOS's are often way out of date and again, I generally try to bring them up to date, especially if it's a new-to-me box that I'm playing with. Even optical drives can often enjoy a firmware upgrade. ;-) My thought on it is this ... in most cases upgrading doesn't do any harm (you can brick stuff though) and sometimes does visible good. That the manufacturers don't necessarily list all the issues it fixes and I have seen things fixed when the release notes didn't suggest it should. The manufacturers / developers wouldn't generally release new code for 'no reason'. Cheers, T i m |
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Yes the one thing that always amuses me is that everyone adopts standards,
then of course invents new ones and does not apply logic to selection of which so called standard is right for a given situation. Its made worse apparently by some channels using copies of films that already contain blank bitts of screen then sending the flag to put the tv or box into the wrong mode for them. It sound not really be that hard to just have two aspect ratios, ie the wide 16/9 and the old 4/3, but then we get folk making things in any old format or deliberately making it the wrong format. Nowadays I never notice of course but it is a worry how the average person gets to grips with it when each bit gear can have different settings. Worse still is the default audio soundtracks of course, It was bad enough with dolby Surround and stereo, but now there are so many flavours of Dolby and other surround sound systems as to make the whole thing almost a lottery. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Graeme" wrote in message ... This is probably blindingly obvious to some, but wasn't to me ... We have an ordinary flat screen TV which receives little use, but looks OK when it is used, until I started watching world cup games, and realised a strip of image is being cut off, both sides. Ah! Aspect ratio. No - even at 4:3 a black strip at both sides but the picture itself incomplete. RTFM no good, that just talks about plugging stuff in and basic tuning. OK, much digging through on screen menus and adjusting, to no avail. Google to the rescue. The setting I needed was within the Thompson set top box, not the TV itself. Reset that, and all is well. Must have had that box for 15 years, and had no idea it did anything other than channels. Hey ho. -- Graeme |
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On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 09:23:53 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote: The inverse is possible though. It seems recent windows 10 drivers Ah, yes, and why I didn't really include drivers in my post. I can see how any 'non required' feature adjustment could be a PITA, especially so for a blind user. And driver issues are common across all OS's of course. Do you know if this new power saving default can be turned off? Cheers, T i m |
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On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 09:07:06 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
wrote: New version of Linux Mint is out. First line in the "how do I upgrade ?" FAQ warns that "If it ain't broke ..." But how do you know if it isn't broke? Something may not be working properly (like video performance) that has been fixed and you will never see it? And aren't we supposed to ensure we are 'up to date' to be the most secure? Cheers, T i m |
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Graeme wrote: This is probably blindingly obvious to some, but wasn't to me ... We have an ordinary flat screen TV which receives little use, but looks OK when it is used, until I started watching world cup games, and realised a strip of image is being cut off, both sides. Ah! Aspect ratio. No - even at 4:3 a black strip at both sides but the picture itself incomplete. RTFM no good, that just talks about plugging stuff in and basic tuning. OK, much digging through on screen menus and adjusting, to no avail. Google to the rescue. The setting I needed was within the Thompson set top box, not the TV itself. Reset that, and all is well. Must have had that box for 15 years, and had no idea it did anything other than channels. Hey ho. Normally, using the wrong aspect ratio to the transmitted picture is pretty obvious. Circles are no longer round. People are the wrong shape. It really annoys me when broadcasters transmit old 4:3 inserts in 16:9 stretched to fit. Some sets still include an overscan option. To make the picture look bigger. A throwback to the days of small screens. -- *HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE A CIVIL WAR? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Brian Gaff explained :
The inverse is possible though. It seems recent windows 10 drivers for realtek hardware have introduced a power saving function that switches the hardware off when its not in use much, but not in use much is set to seconds, not minutes and there is no way to stop it so a lot of blind folk are finding that their audio speech is sluggish to start on new menu items or for clips off the first little bit of words. I understand the Microsoft are aware of this but most newer labptops have to use the latest drivers if they use windows 10 since the older ones will only work on out of date versions of windows 10. One thing I really miss in W10, is the ability to adjust the keyboard repeat rate. Whilst editing text, I often have to make my way back along a line of text, using the cursor keys. The fixed repeat rate makes his use of the cursor keys very slow indeed, such that it is sometimes quicker to just point and click with the mouse. Very annoying, unless anyone has found a way to adjust it? |
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In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes In article , Graeme wrote: Google to the rescue. The setting I needed was within the Thompson set top box, not the TV itself. Normally, using the wrong aspect ratio to the transmitted picture is pretty obvious. Circles are no longer round. People are the wrong shape. It really annoys me when broadcasters transmit old 4:3 inserts in 16:9 stretched to fit. Neither of us noticed anything wrong with the picture itself, although this is the first time we have used the TV since the wedding. I only knew something was not right because, during matches, top left of the screen is a bar showing the score. There is also a clock which, on ITV, is to the right of the bar, and visible. However, the BBC clock is to the left, and was not visible. All now fixed. -- Graeme |
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On 08/07/18 10:35, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Brian Gaff explained : The inverse is possible though. It seems recent windows 10 drivers for realtek hardware have introduced a power saving function that switches the hardware off when its not in use much, but not in use much is set to seconds, not minutes and there is no way to stop it so a lot of blind folk are finding that their audio speech is sluggish to start on new menu items or for clips off the first little bit of words. I understand the Microsoft are aware of this but most newer labptops have to use the latest drivers if they use windows 10 since the older ones will only work on out of date versions of windows 10. One thing I really miss in W10, is the ability to adjust the keyboard repeat rate. Whilst editing text, I often have to make my way back along a line of text, using the cursor keys. The fixed repeat rate makes his use of the cursor keys very slow indeed, such that it is sometimes quicker to just point and click with the mouse. Very annoying, unless anyone has found a way to adjust it? Not running windows 10here, but: If you're happy editing the registry - https://superuser.com/questions/1077...keeps-changing Or - https://bltt.org/adjust-windows-keyboard-repeat-rate/ |
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"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message news Brian Gaff explained : The inverse is possible though. It seems recent windows 10 drivers for realtek hardware have introduced a power saving function that switches the hardware off when its not in use much, but not in use much is set to seconds, not minutes and there is no way to stop it so a lot of blind folk are finding that their audio speech is sluggish to start on new menu items or for clips off the first little bit of words. I understand the Microsoft are aware of this but most newer labptops have to use the latest drivers if they use windows 10 since the older ones will only work on out of date versions of windows 10. One thing I really miss in W10, is the ability to adjust the keyboard repeat rate. Whilst editing text, I often have to make my way back along a line of text, using the cursor keys. The fixed repeat rate makes his use of the cursor keys very slow indeed, The fix for that is to move using crtl arrow, steps by words instead of character. such that it is sometimes quicker to just point and click with the mouse. Very annoying, unless anyone has found a way to adjust it? |
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On 08/07/2018 08:13, Graeme wrote:
... a strip of image is being cut off, both sides. Who remembers fiddling with the horizontal and vertical hold knobs? -- Reentrant |
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Reentrant writes On 08/07/2018 08:13, Graeme wrote: ... a strip of image is being cut off, both sides. Who remembers fiddling with the horizontal and vertical hold knobs? I miss knobs to twiddle :-( Much better than all this on screen faffing around. -- Graeme |
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On Sunday, 8 July 2018 12:09:46 UTC+1, Graeme wrote:
I miss knobs to twiddle :-( Much better than all this on screen faffing around. especially when you have to reboot for settings to take effect Owain |
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Richard laid this down on his screen :
Not running windows 10here, but: If you're happy editing the registry - https://superuser.com/questions/1077...keeps-changing I tried that before, it made no difference Or - https://bltt.org/adjust-windows-keyboard-repeat-rate/ That does not exist on my Laptop's settings.. No adjustment for delay, no adjustment for repeat rate. |
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Rod Speed wrote on 08/07/2018 :
The fix for that is to move using crtl arrow, steps by words instead of character. Which is what I have to do.. Its just that I am used to/always found a fast repeat easier.. |
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Reentrant was thinking very hard :
Who remembers fiddling with the horizontal and vertical hold knobs? ...and giving the TV a technical thump a fist, when it would not behave? |
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On 08/07/18 12:41, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Richard laid this down on his screen : Not running windows 10here, but: If you're happy editing the registry - https://superuser.com/questions/1077...keeps-changing I tried that before, it made no difference Or - https://bltt.org/adjust-windows-keyboard-repeat-rate/ That does not exist on my Laptop's settings.. No adjustment for delay, no adjustment for repeat rate. Oh well... |
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Reentrant wrote: On 08/07/2018 08:13, Graeme wrote: ... a strip of image is being cut off, both sides. Who remembers fiddling with the horizontal and vertical hold knobs? I can certainly remember when it was almost a weekly job trying to keep a colour picture to spec with CRT sets. If nothing else modern sets are usually stable. -- *If at first you don't succeed, redefine success. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Huge wrote: On 2018-07-08, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Reentrant was thinking very hard : Who remembers fiddling with the horizontal and vertical hold knobs? ..and giving the TV a technical thump a fist, aka "percussive maintenance". £10, please, sir. £10 for thumping the set? 50p for the thump. £9.50 for knowing where to thump it. -- *Gravity is a myth, the earth sucks * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 08/07/18 12:45, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Rod Speed wrote on 08/07/2018 : The fix for that is to move using crtl arrow, steps by words instead of character. Which is what I have to do.. Its just that I am used to/always found a fast repeat easier.. Try this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/c...in_windows_10/ q EDIT: The only way I could find to access the keyboard repeat rate is through Control Panel itself (Start Run "control") Keyboard (you'll need to change View By to Icons). /q It works on the wife's Macbook with Parallels running windows 10. |
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Huge wrote: On 2018-07-08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Reentrant wrote: On 08/07/2018 08:13, Graeme wrote: ... a strip of image is being cut off, both sides. Who remembers fiddling with the horizontal and vertical hold knobs? I can certainly remember when it was almost a weekly job trying to keep a colour picture to spec with CRT sets. If nothing else modern sets are usually stable. Well, the hardware is. The software is a different matter ... True. But then the first software many of us had to deal with TV wise was teletext. And that used to frustrate too. -- *The statement above is false Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Huge wrote: When I worked for ITT, when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, we had some crappy ITT B&W monitors (probably VT100 clones, but TBH, I don't remember) which had a fault where the display went away and could be rectified by thumping them. Conveniently, they had stuck the ITT logo in exactly the right place where you had to hit them. What used to happen a lot was 'dry' solder joints to the line output transformer. Which used to vibrate quite a bit and at a high frequency. Causing metal fatigue in the solder rather more quickly than with a mains transformer. Used to reflow all of those as a matter of course if the back ever had to come off. -- *OK, so what's the speed of dark? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Richard pretended :
Try this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/c...in_windows_10/ q EDIT: The only way I could find to access the keyboard repeat rate is through Control Panel itself (Start Run "control") Keyboard (you'll need to change View By to Icons). /q Thanks, but zilch to be found.. |
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"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message news Richard pretended : Try this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/c...in_windows_10/ q EDIT: The only way I could find to access the keyboard repeat rate is through Control Panel itself (Start Run "control") Keyboard (you'll need to change View By to Icons). /q Thanks, but zilch to be found.. Dunno what you have managed to do to your system, its there fine in a clean install of Win10 here. |
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2018 15:14:47 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: snip But then the first software many of us had to deal with TV wise was teletext. And that used to frustrate too. I had a Teletext adaptor for my Spectrum and you could download programs OTA with it. Ok, it was a bit like night fishing but interesting none the less. ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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On 08/07/18 18:16, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Richard pretended : Try this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/c...in_windows_10/ q EDIT: The only way I could find to access the keyboard repeat rate is through Control Panel itself (Start Run "control") Keyboard (you'll need to change View By to Icons). /q Thanks, but zilch to be found.. Damn. One last shot. Have you tried to remove the keyboard from Device Manager? |
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I'm sure that setting still exists in windows 10. I use windows 7, not
because of this or any other prejudice but I rebel against effectively having a completely new untested version of Windows installed every half a year with all the attendant resets of parameters needed and incompatibility of software already running OK and indeed complete removal of some software on the excuse you need to buy microsofts new version of office when the old stuff worked perfectly well till then. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Richard" wrote in message news On 08/07/18 10:35, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Brian Gaff explained : The inverse is possible though. It seems recent windows 10 drivers for realtek hardware have introduced a power saving function that switches the hardware off when its not in use much, but not in use much is set to seconds, not minutes and there is no way to stop it so a lot of blind folk are finding that their audio speech is sluggish to start on new menu items or for clips off the first little bit of words. I understand the Microsoft are aware of this but most newer labptops have to use the latest drivers if they use windows 10 since the older ones will only work on out of date versions of windows 10. One thing I really miss in W10, is the ability to adjust the keyboard repeat rate. Whilst editing text, I often have to make my way back along a line of text, using the cursor keys. The fixed repeat rate makes his use of the cursor keys very slow indeed, such that it is sometimes quicker to just point and click with the mouse. Very annoying, unless anyone has found a way to adjust it? Not running windows 10here, but: If you're happy editing the registry - https://superuser.com/questions/1077...keeps-changing Or - https://bltt.org/adjust-windows-keyboard-repeat-rate/ |
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Brian Gaff wrote
I'm sure that setting still exists in windows 10. I use windows 7, So do I. not because of this or any other prejudice but I rebel against effectively having a completely new untested version of Windows installed every half a year It’s a lot less often than every half year now. with all the attendant resets of parameters needed and incompatibility of software already running OK and indeed complete removal of some software on the excuse you need to buy microsofts new version of office I have stuck with 2003, largely because it would be a massive amount of work to move to the latest access given that the UI has changed so dramatically. when the old stuff worked perfectly well till then. There are a few things Win10 does better, most obviously with paired windows. I would use that, but only so I could have Freecell Pro and notebook paired and may just have another machine just for that running Win10 so I can keep running what I use for usenet and access 2003 on Win7 Richard wrote Harry Bloomfield wrote Brian Gaff wrote The inverse is possible though. It seems recent windows 10 drivers for realtek hardware have introduced a power saving function that switches the hardware off when its not in use much, but not in use much is set to seconds, not minutes and there is no way to stop it so a lot of blind folk are finding that their audio speech is sluggish to start on new menu items or for clips off the first little bit of words. I understand the Microsoft are aware of this but most newer labptops have to use the latest drivers if they use windows 10 since the older ones will only work on out of date versions of windows 10. One thing I really miss in W10, is the ability to adjust the keyboard repeat rate. Whilst editing text, I often have to make my way back along a line of text, using the cursor keys. The fixed repeat rate makes his use of the cursor keys very slow indeed, such that it is sometimes quicker to just point and click with the mouse. Very annoying, unless anyone has found a way to adjust it? Not running windows 10here, but: If you're happy editing the registry - https://superuser.com/questions/1077...keeps-changing Or - https://bltt.org/adjust-windows-keyboard-repeat-rate/ |
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On Monday, 9 July 2018 10:26:10 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
Brian Gaff wrote I'm sure that setting still exists in windows 10. I use windows 7, So do I. Why use an old system I;d have thought with all yuo auto on lights and everything else yuo spend money ona the latest OS would be your default. Thought you might have a top end PC or Mac. with all the attendant resets of parameters needed and incompatibility of software already running OK and indeed complete removal of some software on the excuse you need to buy microsofts new version of office I have stuck with 2003, And you call me a dinosaur. I considering my 2010 mac-mini to be old. largely because it would be a massive amount of work to move to the latest access given that the UI has changed so dramatically. I guess for you it could cause problems. when the old stuff worked perfectly well till then. There are a few things Win10 does better, most obviously with paired windows. Security being one of them, but not yet upto mac standard. I would use that, but only so I could have Freecell Pro and notebook paired and may just have another machine just for that running Win10 so I can keep running what I use for usenet and access 2003 on Win7 Why ? what's so specail about newsnet that you need software from 2003 ? |
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whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote Brian Gaff wrote I'm sure that setting still exists in windows 10. I use windows 7, So do I. Why use an old system Because some of the stuff I run every day wont run on Win10. Same reason as Brian. I;d have thought with all yuo auto on lights and everything else yuo spend money ona the latest OS would be your default. It never is because stupid MS keeps stopping you using stuff that is included or free with the older OSs of theirs. In theory you can run a virtual OS for the apps that wont run on the new OS, but in practice thats not as good as running the older OS natively. Thought you might have a top end PC or Mac. I do machine wise, but not OS wise. I have been tempted to add a decent Mac to so iOS apps but havent gotten around to adding one yet. with all the attendant resets of parameters needed and incompatibility of software already running OK and indeed complete removal of some software on the excuse you need to buy microsofts new version of office I have stuck with 2003, And you call me a dinosaur. I considering my 2010 mac-mini to be old. But you stupidly use cash to pay for most stuff in person. largely because it would be a massive amount of work to move to the latest access given that the UI has changed so dramatically. when the old stuff worked perfectly well till then. There are a few things Win10 does better, most obviously with paired windows. Security being one of them, The security is fine. You wont be able to get into any of my systems. but not yet upto mac standard. My total system wouldnt be any more secure with a Mac and it would be much worse for usenet and the database stuff. I would use that, but only so I could have Freecell Pro and notebook paired and may just have another machine just for that running Win10 so I can keep running what I use for usenet and access 2003 on Win7 Why ? what's so specail about newsnet that you need software from 2003 ? I dont for that. Its only office that is 2003, stupid. |
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