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Hi All

I am restoring a bench where all the metal fixings had rusted. Some joints have large barrel nuts and bolts and others bolts and inset nuts.

I was thinking of putting something on them before refitting to try and protect them. I had a few thoughts...
- use something like vasaline but guess the oil would ingress into the wood.
- paint them before they go in.
- given they are all M8 the rust is probably superficial anyway so only need to deal with the thread to tighten if necessary at some other point.

Anyone have any ideas on how to prolong the life of this?

Thanks in advance

Lee.

Protecting outdoor bolts
 

On 25/04/2018 19:54, wrote:
Hi All

I am restoring a bench where all the metal fixings had rusted. Some joints have large barrel nuts and bolts and others bolts and inset nuts.

I was thinking of putting something on them before refitting to try and protect them. I had a few thoughts...
- use something like vasaline but guess the oil would ingress into the wood.
- paint them before they go in.
- given they are all M8 the rust is probably superficial anyway so only need to deal with the thread to tighten if necessary at some other point.

Anyone have any ideas on how to prolong the life of this?

Thanks in advance

Lee.


Get some stainless fasteners (Screwfix etc) and fix it permanently -
will work out cheaper than faffing around cleaning and trying to
protect the existing.

Protecting outdoor bolts
 

On 25/04/2018 20:14, Andy Bennet wrote:
On 25/04/2018 19:54, wrote:
Hi All

I am restoring a bench where all the metal fixings had rusted. Some
joints have large barrel nuts and bolts and others bolts and inset nuts.

I was thinking of putting something on them before refitting to try
and protect them. I had a few thoughts...
- use something like vasaline but guess the oil would ingress into the
wood.
- paint them before they go in.
- given they are all M8 the rust is probably superficial anyway so
only need to deal with the thread to tighten if necessary at some
other point.

Anyone have any ideas on how to prolong the life of this?

Thanks in advance

Lee.


Get some stainless fasteners (Screwfix etc) and fix it permanentlyÂ* -
will work out cheaper than faffing around cleaning andÂ* trying to
protect the existing.

I'd normally agree, but the OP says he has barrel bolts and inset nuts,
are they available in stainless?

Protecting outdoor bolts
 

Yeah exactly. I couldn't find any stainless steel ones. These will all be internal hence the question. Externally I have done nuts which are stainless steel.

Protecting outdoor bolts
 

wrote

I am restoring a bench where all the metal fixings had rusted. Some
joints have large barrel nuts and bolts and others bolts and inset nuts.

I was thinking of putting something on them before
refitting to try and protect them. I had a few thoughts...
- use something like vasaline but guess the oil would ingress into the
wood.

and wouldnt last that long.

- paint them before they go in.

Likely the paint will get damaged installing them.

- given they are all M8 the rust is probably superficial anyway so only
need
to deal with the thread to tighten if necessary at some other point.

Anyone have any ideas on how to prolong the life of this?

Why not use stainless steel bolts ?

Protecting outdoor bolts
 

On Wednesday, 25 April 2018 19:54:49 UTC+1, wrote:
Hi All

I am restoring a bench where all the metal fixings had rusted. Some joints have large barrel nuts and bolts and others bolts and inset nuts.

I was thinking of putting something on them before refitting to try and protect them. I had a few thoughts...
- use something like vasaline but guess the oil would ingress into the wood.
- paint them before they go in.
- given they are all M8 the rust is probably superficial anyway so only need to deal with the thread to tighten if necessary at some other point.

Anyone have any ideas on how to prolong the life of this?

Thanks in advance

Lee.

For the threads use engine oil. For the external metal, paint. (Oil also works somewhat if you don't mind a rustic look & greasy finish.)


NT

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Protecting outdoor bolts
 

On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 11:54:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Anyone have any ideas on how to prolong the life of this?

I have used wax for this, where a full de-rust and proper paintjob were
overkill. Either melt a pot of candle wax and dip, or scrape a candle over the
metal and heat with a propane blowtorch until it melts and spreads.

It leaves a waxy finish (no surprise), lubricates a bit, generally sticks much
better to previously rusty or rusty surfaces, is cheap, and requires no
particular surface prep. It probably interferes with a future paint finish...

Oh: Do not drip wax on paving. Do not grab hot bolt with naked hand.


Thomas Prufer

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get galvanised hardware.
Use Stainless hardware
Lastly if you paint them it will come off when the nuts tighten and
eventually rust. I am thinking about what we use to fit tv aerials, badly
plated hardware corrodes very fast and eventually falls to bits as
effectively there is no thread, just the rust holding stuff together.

Brian

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Hi All

I am restoring a bench where all the metal fixings had rusted. Some joints
have large barrel nuts and bolts and others bolts and inset nuts.

I was thinking of putting something on them before refitting to try and
protect them. I had a few thoughts...
- use something like vasaline but guess the oil would ingress into the
wood.
- paint them before they go in.
- given they are all M8 the rust is probably superficial anyway so only
need to deal with the thread to tighten if necessary at some other point.

Anyone have any ideas on how to prolong the life of this?

Thanks in advance

Lee.

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Also if you are not going to remove them at all, use some of that zinc paint
after fitting particularly, on the end of the bolt where the nut tightens.
An old trick from reusing old aerial parts. However it seldom looks pretty.
Brian

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wrote

I am restoring a bench where all the metal fixings had rusted. Some
joints have large barrel nuts and bolts and others bolts and inset nuts.

I was thinking of putting something on them before
refitting to try and protect them. I had a few thoughts...
- use something like vasaline but guess the oil would ingress into the
wood.

and wouldn't last that long.

- paint them before they go in.

Likely the paint will get damaged installing them.

- given they are all M8 the rust is probably superficial anyway so only
need
to deal with the thread to tighten if necessary at some other point.

Anyone have any ideas on how to prolong the life of this?

Why not use stainless steel bolts ?

Protecting outdoor bolts
 

Protecting outdoor bolts
 

In article ,
wrote:
Hi All

I am restoring a bench where all the metal fixings had rusted. Some
joints have large barrel nuts and bolts and others bolts and inset nuts.

I was thinking of putting something on them before refitting to try and
protect them. I had a few thoughts... - use something like vasaline but
guess the oil would ingress into the wood. - paint them before they go
in. - given they are all M8 the rust is probably superficial anyway so
only need to deal with the thread to tighten if necessary at some other
point.

Anyone have any ideas on how to prolong the life of this?

Thanks in advance

About the only thing that will keep rust at bay for a long time on steel
is galvanising. You can buy kits to DIY this - but you could have problems
with threads etc.

I'd replace all you can with stainless and get the rest in ordinary and
paint it.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Chris Green wrote:

wrote:
Hi All

I am restoring a bench where all the metal fixings had rusted. Some joints
have large barrel nuts and bolts and others bolts and inset nuts.

I was thinking of putting something on them before refitting to try and
protect them. I had a few thoughts...
- use something like vasaline but guess the oil would ingress into the wood.
- paint them before they go in.
- given they are all M8 the rust is probably superficial anyway so only
need to deal with the thread to tighten if necessary at some other point.


Anyone have any ideas on how to prolong the life of this?

Get some stainless steel nuts and bolts! :-)

They are surprisingly cheap now if you shop around (e.g. suppliers on
eBay)

I've got a cheap "stainless steel" Ebay gate stay that has quite a lot
of surface rust after a year outside. It actually looked like SS when
new. No metallurgical tests performed, maybe it is some kind of SS?



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Protecting outdoor bolts
 

On 26/04/2018 12:07, Roger Hayter wrote:
Chris Green wrote:

wrote:
Hi All

I am restoring a bench where all the metal fixings had rusted. Some joints
have large barrel nuts and bolts and others bolts and inset nuts.

I was thinking of putting something on them before refitting to try and
protect them. I had a few thoughts...
- use something like vasaline but guess the oil would ingress into the wood.
- paint them before they go in.
- given they are all M8 the rust is probably superficial anyway so only
need to deal with the thread to tighten if necessary at some other point.


Anyone have any ideas on how to prolong the life of this?

Get some stainless steel nuts and bolts! :-)

They are surprisingly cheap now if you shop around (e.g. suppliers on
eBay)

I've got a cheap "stainless steel" Ebay gate stay that has quite a lot
of surface rust after a year outside. It actually looked like SS when
new. No metallurgical tests performed, maybe it is some kind of SS?



It happens if the alloy levels are too low; although unsightly, it
should still last much longer than mild steel. Abrade periodically with
steel wool and a bit of 3 in 1. (Or wet and dry plus oil, if the
geometry is more favourable for that).

Protecting outdoor bolts
 

In article ,
Roger Hayter wrote:
I've got a cheap "stainless steel" Ebay gate stay that has quite a lot
of surface rust after a year outside. It actually looked like SS when
new. No metallurgical tests performed, maybe it is some kind of SS?

You can get surface rust on low grade SS - but it should take a long time
to get really bad, unlike MS.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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newshound wrote:

On 26/04/2018 12:07, Roger Hayter wrote:
Chris Green wrote:

wrote:
Hi All

I am restoring a bench where all the metal fixings had rusted. Some
joints have large barrel nuts and bolts and others bolts and inset
nuts.

I was thinking of putting something on them before refitting to try
and
protect them. I had a few thoughts...
- use something like vasaline but guess the oil would ingress into the
wood. - paint them before they go in. - given they are all M8 the rust
is probably superficial anyway so only need to deal with the thread to
tighten if necessary at some other point.


Anyone have any ideas on how to prolong the life of this?

Get some stainless steel nuts and bolts! :-)

They are surprisingly cheap now if you shop around (e.g. suppliers on
eBay)

I've got a cheap "stainless steel" Ebay gate stay that has quite a lot
of surface rust after a year outside. It actually looked like SS when
new. No metallurgical tests performed, maybe it is some kind of SS?



It happens if the alloy levels are too low; although unsightly, it
should still last much longer than mild steel. Abrade periodically with
steel wool and a bit of 3 in 1. (Or wet and dry plus oil, if the
geometry is more favourable for that).

I only got stainless because I find such maintenance too boring! (I
think I'm beginning to sound like Hucker - another visit from the troll
fairy seems imminent.)


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Roger Hayter

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FMurtz wrote:
wrote:
Hi All

I am restoring a bench where all the metal fixings had rusted. Some
joints have large barrel nuts and bolts and others bolts and inset nuts.

I was thinking of putting something on them before refitting to try
and protect them. I had a few thoughts...
- use something like vasaline but guess the oil would ingress into the
wood.
- paint them before they go in.
- given they are all M8 the rust is probably superficial anyway so
only need to deal with the thread to tighten if necessary at some
other point.

Anyone have any ideas on how to prolong the life of this?

Thanks in advance

Lee.

Nickel or bronze anti seize all over the thread

I think my computer has invisible letters in it because everything I
type is ignored so must be invisible,It must be because it originates in
Australia and can not be read in the UK :)Other than stainless or
galvanized bolts and even with, my suggestion of nickel or bronze anti
seize is probably one of the best solutions.

Protecting outdoor bolts
 

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Roger Hayter wrote:
I've got a cheap "stainless steel" Ebay gate stay that has quite a lot
of surface rust after a year outside. It actually looked like SS when
new. No metallurgical tests performed, maybe it is some kind of SS?

You can get surface rust on low grade SS - but it should take a long time
to get really bad, unlike MS.

Thanks. I think I shall describe it as a patina.

--

Roger Hayter

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In article ,
FMurtz wrote:
I think my computer has invisible letters in it because everything I
type is ignored so must be invisible,It must be because it originates in
Australia and can not be read in the UK :)Other than stainless or
galvanized bolts and even with, my suggestion of nickel or bronze anti
seize is probably one of the best solutions.

Not sure I'd want any grease on a garden seat, though. A decent thread
sealer which sets hard would prevent it seizing, though, and not get onto
clothes. But you've still got the problem of the bits on show looking
rusty.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Roger Hayter" wrote in message
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Chris Green wrote:

wrote:
Hi All

I am restoring a bench where all the metal fixings had rusted. Some
joints
have large barrel nuts and bolts and others bolts and inset nuts.

I was thinking of putting something on them before refitting to try and
protect them. I had a few thoughts...
- use something like vasaline but guess the oil would ingress into the
wood.
- paint them before they go in.
- given they are all M8 the rust is probably superficial anyway so only
need to deal with the thread to tighten if necessary at some other
point.


Anyone have any ideas on how to prolong the life of this?

Get some stainless steel nuts and bolts! :-)

They are surprisingly cheap now if you shop around (e.g. suppliers on
eBay)

I've got a cheap "stainless steel" Ebay gate stay that has quite a lot
of surface rust after a year outside. It actually looked like SS when
new. No metallurgical tests performed, maybe it is some kind of SS?

Some SSs do rust a bit. Depends on the mix.

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"FMurtz" wrote in message
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FMurtz wrote:
wrote:
Hi All

I am restoring a bench where all the metal fixings had rusted. Some
joints have large barrel nuts and bolts and others bolts and inset nuts.

I was thinking of putting something on them before refitting to try and
protect them. I had a few thoughts...
- use something like vasaline but guess the oil would ingress into the
wood.
- paint them before they go in.
- given they are all M8 the rust is probably superficial anyway so only
need to deal with the thread to tighten if necessary at some other
point.

Anyone have any ideas on how to prolong the life of this?

Nickel or bronze anti seize all over the thread

I think my computer has invisible letters in it because everything I type
is ignored so must be invisible,It must be because it originates in
Australia and can not be read in the UK :)

Thats because they can't read stuff upside down, stupid {-(

Other than stainless or galvanized bolts and even with, my suggestion of
nickel or bronze anti seize is probably one of the best solutions.

Not that cheap to try tho.

Protecting outdoor bolts
 

Thanks all for your suggestions. The visible bits are stainless. Besides the thread bar, the rest I couldn't find as stainless.

Protecting outdoor bolts
 

I just checked the insert nuts and barrel nuts (everything else is stainless steel) and they are zinc plated. Does this mean that the galvanising spray won't add anything to it?

I was thinking that ideally I would have something I could paint on the barrel nuts before inserting and then maybe pour into the hole once tigtened. The insert nut is more tricky as even if I paint it it is likely to scrape off when putting into the wood and also when the thread bar is inserted. Better than nothing I guess but not ideal. I could pour something down the thread I guess but would this have any real impact given thread itself is stainless steel

Protecting outdoor bolts
 

Forgot to mention I have some red oxide paint left over from some building work. Would this be suitable?

Protecting outdoor bolts
 

On Saturday, 28 April 2018 07:45:41 UTC+1, wrote:
Forgot to mention I have some red oxide paint left over from some building work. Would this be suitable?

if it's oil or solvent based


NT

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In article ,
wrote:
I just checked the insert nuts and barrel nuts (everything else is
stainless steel) and they are zinc plated. Does this mean that the
galvanising spray won't add anything to it?

I was thinking that ideally I would have something I could paint on the
barrel nuts before inserting and then maybe pour into the hole once
tigtened. The insert nut is more tricky as even if I paint it it is
likely to scrape off when putting into the wood and also when the thread
bar is inserted. Better than nothing I guess but not ideal. I could pour
something down the thread I guess but would this have any real impact
given thread itself is stainless steel

If you want to prevent the threads seizing through rust, use a thread
sealer. For car engines, etc.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
wrote:
I just checked the insert nuts and barrel nuts (everything else is
stainless steel) and they are zinc plated. Does this mean that the
galvanising spray won't add anything to it?

I was thinking that ideally I would have something I could paint on the
barrel nuts before inserting and then maybe pour into the hole once
tigtened. The insert nut is more tricky as even if I paint it it is
likely to scrape off when putting into the wood and also when the thread
bar is inserted. Better than nothing I guess but not ideal. I could pour
something down the thread I guess but would this have any real impact
given thread itself is stainless steel

If you want to prevent the threads seizing through rust, use a thread
sealer. For car engines, etc.

Or the exact opposite - coppaslip.
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In article ,
Jim K wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
wrote:
I just checked the insert nuts and barrel nuts (everything else is
stainless steel) and they are zinc plated. Does this mean that the
galvanising spray won't add anything to it?

I was thinking that ideally I would have something I could paint on the
barrel nuts before inserting and then maybe pour into the hole once
tigtened. The insert nut is more tricky as even if I paint it it is
likely to scrape off when putting into the wood and also when the thread
bar is inserted. Better than nothing I guess but not ideal. I could pour
something down the thread I guess but would this have any real impact
given thread itself is stainless steel

If you want to prevent the threads seizing through rust, use a thread
sealer. For car engines, etc.

Or the exact opposite - coppaslip.

As I said earlier, many wouldn't want grease on something you sit on. A
thread sealer sets - and once set won't mark clothes.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
Jim K wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
wrote:
I just checked the insert nuts and barrel nuts (everything else is
stainless steel) and they are zinc plated. Does this mean that the
galvanising spray won't add anything to it?

I was thinking that ideally I would have something I could paint on the
barrel nuts before inserting and then maybe pour into the hole once
tigtened. The insert nut is more tricky as even if I paint it it is
likely to scrape off when putting into the wood and also when the thread
bar is inserted. Better than nothing I guess but not ideal. I could pour
something down the thread I guess but would this have any real impact
given thread itself is stainless steel

If you want to prevent the threads seizing through rust, use a thread
sealer. For car engines, etc.

Or the exact opposite - coppaslip.

As I said earlier, many wouldn't want grease on something you sit on. A
thread sealer sets - and once set won't mark clothes.

The op said even earlier that the ones in question are all internal.

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